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I am here. I need to read the thread, but I approve of the mathcam lynch, and I find it curious that he's trying to use a role to defend himself given that he started attacking BJ for doing the exact same thing.
(As a side note, I noticed early in the thread that BMQ/Pooky were pondering the alphabet stuff meaning something. Maybe I'm being silly to even consider this, but a J-A-C-K mafia might be possible and fits with mathcam/bluemonick scum).I replaced into Chess Mafia for 6 months, and all I got was a win and this lousy sig.-
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You mean, other than the fact that you've said "Don't lynch me, I'm a useful power role!"mathcam wrote:Even if you missed this line (not that there have been *that* many new lines as of late), then I find it surprising that you would even assume I was making this argument, when there are no posts to support it. I'm having a hard enough time defending myself against the stupid things that I *do* do, so I don't have much chance if we also chuck in things that I *don't* do.
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Given what Fuldu said, would you being willing to lynch armlx? The behavior Fuldu pointed out doesn't make sense as a protown role swapper, but it does make sense as an antitown role swapper, and I could fairly reasonably see there being both a pro and anti town roleswapper in the game.I replaced into Chess Mafia for 6 months, and all I got was a win and this lousy sig.-
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I can confirm that Jack Johnson's office currently only has masonish stuff in it. I think ibby mentioned this earlier. Obviously this doesn't rule out mathcam having separate killing powers.mathcam wrote:I can neither confirm nor deny my blockage on night 1, since I didn't have a blockable role that night (I could converse with my fellow chatbuddies, but presumably this is not blockable).
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Could you answer my question about armlx?I replaced into Chess Mafia for 6 months, and all I got was a win and this lousy sig.-
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Looking over some stuff, some thoughts about things
I wonder if bluemonick/his office was the office destroyer. That would explain the lack of office destruction after the first night.
Looking over lordy's early comments about spamwise, it sure does seem that lordy was coppish, specifically with a guilty investigation on spamwise. That's theoretically more evidence against mathcam.
I also don't like how mathcam started by pushing the "we should consider bluemoncik's dying words" idea, especially given bluemonick's comments in 489 "I got answers. Line them up.", which just screams that bluemonick realized that it was time to mess with our heads.
Also, there's the whole spamwise/viper interaction from most of day 1 that everybody's seemed to have forgotten.
So in other words, still happy with my vote.I replaced into Chess Mafia for 6 months, and all I got was a win and this lousy sig.-
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This argument only works if we have reason to think that armlx is protown/if we trust his scumdar. You'll notice I don't really think you/armlx is likely protown either.pablito wrote:I don't know, but for some reason armlx was willing to trust mathcam with the office-switcher role - so that means that armlx thought mathcam was pro-town, right?
Moreover the argument could be applied the other way; protown mathcam should believe that armlx is protown (no reason for antitown armlx to give that office up), and mathcam has already showed his willingness to vote armlx today.I replaced into Chess Mafia for 6 months, and all I got was a win and this lousy sig.-
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@Fuldu-My other stuff against mathcam, from last page
Thok wrote:Looking over lordy's early comments about spamwise, it sure does seem that lordy was coppish, specifically with a guilty investigation on spamwise. That's theoretically more evidence against mathcam.
I also don't like how mathcam started by pushing the "we should consider bluemoncik's dying words" idea, especially given bluemonick's comments in 489 "I got answers. Line them up.", which just screams that bluemonick realized that it was time to mess with our heads.
Also, there's the whole spamwise/viper interaction from most of day 1 that everybody's seemed to have forgotten.
So in other words, still happy with my vote.I replaced into Chess Mafia for 6 months, and all I got was a win and this lousy sig.-
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Bah, I'm misreading your 789 (you simply suggested that the office mover moved himself out of his office, not that there were two office movers).
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Pretty sure Coron isn't the play; roleblocks prove he isn't an SK (two kills the night you blocked him), and Fuldu's play suggests Coron isn't scum.
(More likely, our missing kill last night disappeared to either a doc protect or maybe SK/scum giving up a kill to do the rearrnage office thing. The former strikes me as more likely than the latter.)I replaced into Chess Mafia for 6 months, and all I got was a win and this lousy sig.-
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Pablito could read the front post and also pablito/armlx had your office before?
(I can confirm that SV as town has caught scum by withholding known info before (although I'm probably thinking of a different mini than you are)).
It occurs to me that I missed a big possibility for a lack of kill last night; Fuldu's office could have been a vig office (which would make his lynch a double victory). Possibly tonight would clear that information up.
Uraj-do you have any thoughts on the Fuldu/SV/STD wagons of yesterday? I just read over them, and noticed you weren't around for the most part.I replaced into Chess Mafia for 6 months, and all I got was a win and this lousy sig.-
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Not really a fan of Uraj's defense here; his original vote for SV was specifically a metagame vote and not an attempt to find scum (and moreover, that vote seems to have been made hastily without actually looking over SV's posts.) His vote on pablito feels like a really prettied up OMGUS vote.
That said, I dislike that we've been focusing on what's happened today, and not looking over previous people's posts.
@Pablito, I would really like to hear what bluemonick's old office did.I replaced into Chess Mafia for 6 months, and all I got was a win and this lousy sig.-
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I've been neglecting this game (along with like 7 other games I'm in.)
Uraj, could you explain your two posts where you've unvote and then voted mathcam (where you were trying to figure out if something weird was going on)?I replaced into Chess Mafia for 6 months, and all I got was a win and this lousy sig.-
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You office claimed that Bennett=townie yesterday.
Another night of only one kill suggests Fuldu was a scum in a vig office. With that in mind, I find it hard to believe SV or STD scum would support a Fuldu wagon.
I'm leaning towards a Quagmire wagon at the moment. Feel free to give us your thoughts on everybody in the game, OK?I replaced into Chess Mafia for 6 months, and all I got was a win and this lousy sig.-
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We've had only one death the last two nights; combined with the mass office swap, I find it unlikely the missing deaths come from doc protects or roleblocks. Fuldu being a scum with a vig office is the most elegant explanation for why we've gone from two deaths a night to one death a night.
(The alternative could be a complicated series of role events working together to stop deaths, but I find it unlikely.)I replaced into Chess Mafia for 6 months, and all I got was a win and this lousy sig.-
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I'm not so much avoiding this game as procrastinating on having to do a 200 post analysis of MOS.
(Honestly, I have taken a look over him, and he feels townish, just based on his participation rate and the types of posts I see from him, but I need to take another look over the thread to get a feel for everything.)I replaced into Chess Mafia for 6 months, and all I got was a win and this lousy sig.-
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Give your analysis of anybody. Post your thoughts on anybody. Give good reasons we shouldn't lynch you right here and now.
Specifically, you've been asked to give a full analysis of me. (Which I guess is an analysis of ibaesha+me).I replaced into Chess Mafia for 6 months, and all I got was a win and this lousy sig.-
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If you look at the bottom of the page, there is a series of three buttons that says "Display posts from previous: All Posts by All users Oldest First", right under the Quick Reply. To see Pooky's posts, change the "All Users" to "PookyTheMagicalBear" (click the button and go down the drag down menu), and then hit Go.I replaced into Chess Mafia for 6 months, and all I got was a win and this lousy sig.-
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Seriously, Quagmire, the major argument against you is that you've been completely useless, and that there's nothing good to say about you.
HP's votes have been Pooky (day 1 random), Mlaker (known town, and timed when it makes sense as a counterwagon to the day 1 viper wagon), Colonel Kurtz (known town), BJ (known town), MBL (known town).
Your votes since you replaced in have been for MOS. The only votes you've explained was for attacking pablito, (when MOS had a prefectly reasonable criticism; at the time it was quite possible pablito has bussed Fuldu), and an OMGUS vote right now.
Neither of you have posted much; we have no idea what you thought of the Uraj wagon or what your role thought of the mathcam or Fuldu wagons, for example. We have no idea what you think of any player in the game, except for possibly MOS.
The main point is that there's absolutely nothing good to say about you. Given that there are plenty of members of town that have exhibitied actual protown behavior (IMHO, I'd be surprised if any of SV, STD, or MMOD was scum, for example) I have no problems going after somebody who's it seems like is trying to hide in the shadows and avoid attention.I replaced into Chess Mafia for 6 months, and all I got was a win and this lousy sig.-
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Geez Quagmire, you can't be this stupid, can you? Do you really think just saying "MOS is scum" is helpful at all? Do you really think ignoring the comments I've made about you is helpful? Do you want to be lynched?
At very least I'd like you to reveal your night choices from your offices.I replaced into Chess Mafia for 6 months, and all I got was a win and this lousy sig.-
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I'd like to see your investigations to see why you are concluding you are paranoid.
I'd like to see you make some sort of suggestion of who you think is likely to be protown/scum.
(For that matter, I'd like to see similar contributions from the other players in the game.)I replaced into Chess Mafia for 6 months, and all I got was a win and this lousy sig.-
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This strikes me as an incredibly horrible reason to investigate me this late in the game. If you are town, I'm pretty sure we don't have time for you to check your sanity before you start doing useful investigations (and by your explanation, an investigation on me basically has to be a check on your sanity).PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:I investigated Thok and got a guilty.
I did this because Thok was the most likely person IMO to be town.I replaced into Chess Mafia for 6 months, and all I got was a win and this lousy sig.-
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If Quagmire is lying about his role, then the most likely lie is that he's claiming to be paranoid when he's really insane. (That's the least likely situation for him to avoid getting caught, IMHO.) So again, I don't see why investigating me was a good idea.PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:if i investigate someone im not sure of, I wouldn't know if Quag was lying about the sanity or not.
If I get an innocent on you, then I have a scum to lynch: Quag. Getting another guilty result off somebody else would be pointless for me because I wouldn't know if its because the cop is paranoid.
That saidunvote Quagmire, since I feel his claimed investigations make HP's play much more understandable.I replaced into Chess Mafia for 6 months, and all I got was a win and this lousy sig.-
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For what it's worth, my heart says Quagmire, and my mind says look elsewhere.Save The Dragons wrote:My mind says to vote Quagmire, my heart tells me to look elsewhere. I'll tell you which one wins sometime before the deadline.
I think it's relevant that Pooky has yet to place his vote. I'm not sure how that's relevant, though.I replaced into Chess Mafia for 6 months, and all I got was a win and this lousy sig.-
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I think close to everybody needs to go. I mean I haven't even done you yet. I think you, STD, and Pooky are the only people to go.
As for my earlier question-I can't see what benefit there is for you as town to suggest that there is a protown reason for what Pooky did, especially since I had already commented about that reason (I had said that using me as a sanity check this late in the game is dumb, unless you felt it important to defend Pooky. Given that Pooky falls into my collection of people that I have little to no read on, this makes me wonder why you would be confident enough in Pooky to do that.
Notice this isn't the first time this has come up; you defended Pooky earlier in the game also (from MBL, for example).
@Pooky-I would have strongly prefered you let STD react to my comment without you making a massive accusation on him.I replaced into Chess Mafia for 6 months, and all I got was a win and this lousy sig.-
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OK, replace protown in my arguement with "genuine"; my question still stands.Mastermind of Sin wrote:
I didn't say his reasoning was necessarily protown, but it was what I would expect as a genuine answer. Whether he's scum or not, his role is separate, and if his answer didn't feel genuine to me, then that would be a point in favor of him being scum.Thok wrote:I think close to everybody needs to go. I mean I haven't even done you yet. I think you, STD, and Pooky are the only people to go.
As for my earlier question-I can't see what benefit there is for you as town to suggest that there is a protown reason for what Pooky did, especially since I had already commented about that reason (I had said that using me as a sanity check this late in the game is dumb, unless you felt it important to defend Pooky. Given that Pooky falls into my collection of people that I have little to no read on, this makes me wonder why you would be confident enough in Pooky to do that.
Notice this isn't the first time this has come up; you defended Pooky earlier in the game also (from MBL, for example).
@Pooky-I would have strongly prefered you let STD react to my comment without you making a massive accusation on him.
I'm not really asking whether or not Pooky's argument is valid/genuine/tangerine; I'm wondering why you would suggest that there could be a valid/genuine/tangerine argument in support of Pooky's decision. I'm trying to decide if you are scum who is either kissing up to Pookytown or defending Pookyscum.I replaced into Chess Mafia for 6 months, and all I got was a win and this lousy sig.-
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I'M NOT USING THIS DISCUSSION AS A WAY TO ASSESS POOKY!!!!Mastermind of Sin wrote:I'm not understanding you, Thok. Whether or not Pooky was right in the decision he made, that doesn't make it any less genuine. If I had been in Pooky's place, that's what I would've done, and that's the reason I would've done it. Therefore, if he gave the same reasoning, I can believe that he was genuine in that explanation. I don't see how you think this has any bearing on alignment, however. Both scum and town can tell the truth when it comes to their roles.
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Quagmire, tell us your thoughts on every person in the game, and how likely or not likely you think they are to be scum.
Is nobody worried about the possibility that we have three scum left? It's not unreasonable in a game of this size.I replaced into Chess Mafia for 6 months, and all I got was a win and this lousy sig.-
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OK, did some rereading.
@Quagmire-a lot of my thoughts on why you are scum is just process of elimination. There's a fairly strong argument for Coron being town (Fuldu tried to get him lynched and Coron made the critical fourth vote that got him lynched over SV). There's a strong argument for SV being protown (SV was one of the counterwagons to Fuldu, and had a reasonably useful vote on him, plus various office power stuff she's done.) There's a decent argument for MMOD being protown (otherwise his "WTF did we use lose" post makes absolutely no sense as a first reaction, and I don't think he'd make such a post up.) There's obviously good reasons to thing I'm protown.
All of the bandwagons in this game have had a fairly high percentage of protown players on them, IMHO. That's worth noting and suggests we have lurker scum.
If I had to guess a 3 person scum group remaining, it would be MOS, Quagmire, STD, and no other group really comes close.I replaced into Chess Mafia for 6 months, and all I got was a win and this lousy sig.-
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So, Quagmire's been at lynch -1 for several days. I'd like to know what people think about this. (I'm actually severely tempted to hammer Quagmire, but I figure getting more info could be useful.)
Modplease prod Quagmire, Coron, and Mystery Meat of Doom. If necessary, please replace MMOD.I replaced into Chess Mafia for 6 months, and all I got was a win and this lousy sig.-
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