Song Contest U-Pick - GAME OVER

[mykonian]

I've skimmed over half the thread now and this is pissing me off.

Garruk’s roleblock claim feels legit to me because of how it came out today. I also can’t think of a reason scum would do it. My only hesitation is that I don’t think I’ve ever seen a town role blocker. Anyone?

That's bullshit. So since moolllie nacho agrees, they be town. Yarr.

also a bad idea to do ths this late. w/e. Maybe I've forgottne tmoroow.

I have the feeling desp and cabd cheated me out of a catfight. Damn you guys.

Former is a scumbag.

Look at this. 65 pages in and I'm actually forming reads. It's a miracle. Add spyrex as a scumread I guess.

1. Majiffy Parama - don't know jiffy
2. morph the cat (Cabd + Fferyllt hydra) PranaDevil - fucking hydra
3. T-Bone* - this guy I should remember.
4. Mastermind of Sin - can't read.
5. 50 Shades of Purple (Nachomamma8 + pirate mollie hydra) - fucking hydra and on top of that mollie. Yay since when do we get along in a game. Lets try this time? idk.
6. AJ the Epic caledfwitch InflatablePie - no clue.
7. Desperado - nope, no clue either.
8. Paschendale - you get lynched. All I know.
9. Agent Minnesota (PhDScar + Shaboostein hydra) ** fucking hydra of people I don't know. Epic.
10. Formerfish* - no clue.
11. Hiraki Sajin - I should know you.
12. Garruk Relentless (Natirasha + MafiaSSK hybrid) - fucking hydra of people I know but can't read!
13. pieceofpecanpie - no clue
14. evilpacman18* - why why why must you lynch the only person I actually remember how he plays who isn't hidden in some hydra.
15. Porkens - too old.
16. mykonian M45t1n - hi. currently useless slot. Is gonna take a while.
17. Generic - no clue
18. SpyreX - I remember you.
19. DeasVail Micc Maenara - maaaybe?
20. notscience - somehow I wish you don't get to lylo but I don't know how to avoid that.

[mykonian]

also, I think the odds are one of the hydras is scum. I wouldn't have a clue which. Is it possible for them to have their own private game and figure that out?

[mykonian]

there are 4. Unless I missed one.

Oh, and you mislynched a bit already.

So I take it you weren't cabd?

[mykonian]

takes long

[mykonian]

empking is in this game? awesome! Someone I know! Can't read him worth shit, but someone I know!

[mykonian]

If it's any consolation, there will be the same result if I'm in lylo as if i'm not because only like 4 people actually give a fuck about this game

Aww really? Goddamn.

I'm not one of them. But I was pissed and decided to help someone in that state. Was a bad call.

[mykonian]

If you're not factoring in reads, then the chances of there being scum among the four hydrae are the same as the chances of there being scum in any 4 randomly selected players.

yes. But you stand out.


also, I've skimmed/read the whole game. And as stated, around page 65 some things started to make sense. I didn't like spyrex, I didn't like porkens, nor former. Otherwise, this game is too big for me, has too few people that I could default attention to, and 4 hydras that make no sense at all to me. On top of that, this game just had a week long break so I assume everybody is pretty braindead and this is a losing game for town already. Idk. Don't feel like it's on me to move 19 people. I'm gonna sit in the back and practice strategic town lurking in front of the master himself.

[mykonian]

no clue on either.

[mykonian]

you don't talk amongst yourselves.

[mykonian]

Also, this is just a general question. How come we struggled to get any wagon going yesterday, but Pecan is already half way there?

In reply to previous question, this guy is town.

[mykonian]

I don't know. Lets find out.

vote porkens

[mykonian]

god, pecan makes me want to vote him. I don't think I had a read on him, but this page is horrible

Yeah, sue me. This game is a mess to me and maybe it's easier to find things if you are in it talking to people. Or I read poorly when catching up here. IDK.

[mykonian]

was that 50 purple guy here before?

[mykonian]

I'm glad mos makes the effort to make a case.

[mykonian]

^ scummy defense.

[mykonian]

T-Bone, you just massively fucked up.
You massively, massively, massively just fucked up.

Don't think you get to say this and ask for a fullclaim. It's one or the other.

Also, I'm seeing no denying that you are a werewolf. I don't see a way for a werewolf to be town.

vote 50 shades

See, told you it was one of the hydras.

Lets do that odds thing with hydra's again tomorrow, this is fun.

[mykonian]

He's trying to get one of the towniest players in the game lynched.

I'm always so happy when people believe in themself. It's your greatest strength!

[mykonian]

As far as I know T-bone, that isn't fake.

[mykonian]

I can fuck the quicklynch out of you tomorrow.

[mykonian]

why would there be this many doctors in a game with masons.

[mykonian]

What have masons got to do with the number of doctors, are they mutually exclusive?

it's a bit of a weird move. Masons can be more or less confirmed town, tend to help by claiming and that happens more often than with other pr's since there are more of them in a group. Doctors protect claimed powerroles, so you have a group of players that are confirmed town and hard to kill. It's a bit boring, and quite a bit stronger than the roles separate. Mutually exclusive not, perhaps, but it's something to think twice about as a mod.

[mykonian]

Do you want an answer to that before I hammer?

not really, you are a scumbag regardless.

[mykonian]

vote garruk

[mykonian]

unvote vote purple

[mykonian]

vote t-bone

and rather on pecan's post.

[mykonian]

there was a point yesterday where I made a bad vote that was malinformed. Because, ehm, I had trouble keeping up with claims and interactions and they don't bother me too much. At least, that was what I tried to do. Anyway, I made a bad vote on one of the hydra's based on such a thing and pecanpie sheeped me and seemed to rally for that cause. I was supposed to remember that from yesterday, and I think one of the hydrae called it out as well. It was indeed quite scummy. Pie should be our lynch.

vote pecan

[mykonian]

unvote vote purple

UNVOTE: Garruk

Just goddamn claim already, Garruk, it's not that hard and there's really no reason why you should be going last.

VOTE: 50 Shades

So this is 50/50 for me. If Shades doesn't flip scum then we can lynch T-Bone immediately with impunity, unless someone wants to start entertaining the notion of framers? Here's my rambly rundown:

- T-Bone's timing with the claim does not make a lick of sense as a scum gambit, unless he was trying to take heat off Porkens? I dunno, seems far fetched. On the other hand the claim is a serious wtf moment for either alignment
- 50 Shades has been vote hopping like mad the whole game, perhaps its just their schtick, or it's a good way to hide scummy behaviour. By contrast T-Bone seemed more measured, especially Day 2 and early Day 3, which plays better in my eyes and also makes me want to give the claim some credence
- To entertain this as a scum gambit we need to consider what they stand to benefit. A 1 for 1 trade at best? On a VT was it?
- Despite all this the claim is suspect, since this implies we've got a multiball with the best docs/blockers I've seen. Or we've got a half mad T-Bone lying through their teeth

That's kind of how I'm toing and froing on this one. At this stage I'll go with the claim and see where it leads, mostly because I don't know any better. So I'll cautiously believe it because if it was a scum gambit to get us off Porkens then it failed and as an attempt to take out 50 Shades it only barely scrapes out a 1 for 1 trade. That seems an extremely reckless move as scum, so I've decided to believe this was T-Bone waiting around all yesterday for 50 Shades to come back to the thread so he could awkwardly claim onto him.

UNVOTE: 50 Shades

VOTE: T-Bone

Werewolf/Not Werewolf is the most plausible flavour text for the seer in this game. Otherwise I don't understand how our roles gel. T-Bone gets innocents on non-werewolf scum? I get innocent on werewolf 50 Shades? This would be much easier if my investigation on T-Bone went through. However, I think it's worth lynching and then deciding what to do with 50 Shades later. The whole odd-timed claim makes me think there's more to this. On the other hand there's also players I want to see lynched before 50 Shades.

this post needs to be preserved for posterity reasons

Almost remembered it correctly. So it was his hop off that was about as wishy washy as his hop on.

[mykonian]

VT. Also, why isn't pecan lynched yet?

[mykonian]

I'm still holding on to our pecan-town read.

see. It's a hydra, it has to suck. I rest my case.

[mykonian]

MoS, how often do you see experienced players panic while the weak player gets lynched d1? Some people get lynched. Pasch falls squarely in that category.

Would you attach the fate of your scumteam to that, running the risk of being found out with unnatural interactions, or would you cut the dead weight and try to make the best out of it.

two scum defending pasch sounds like a pretty decent towntell. He's a weak player, scum want to keep him away from a lynch: he's town who's being buddied.

[mykonian]

actually, seen his goals (with garruk being rather town, and I see no reason to go after empking with what's around otherwise)

vote MOS

[mykonian]

It's interesting that two of the top three suspects are on the third ones wagon.

Either paschendale is town or someone is bussing.

He's town.

Or in other words: 2 reads are better than one. More likely you are wrong about the one than both suspects on his wagon?

[mykonian]

I don't have a clue why we aren't speedlynching pie at the moment.

[mykonian]

I don't have a clue why we aren't speedlynching pie at the moment.

Why aren't you voting Pie?

No clue. I apparently thought MOS was a scumbag last time.

vote pie

[mykonian]

Based on his last post... Why is pecan town?

He creates more bullshit than a bull shitting.

See! I knew I shouldn't judge you on first sight. You are much deeper than that.

[mykonian]

I like you better when you try to lynch pie than when you make lists with my name it in.

[mykonian]

I think you are off on the last. I have no clue about empking. NS doesn't look like scum so far.

Also, how likely is it that scum are only in the weaker posting players? Your list contains them mostly.

[mykonian]

In summary: I think it's pretty fucking likely that scum are in "weaker posting" players because that's what the gamestate tells. I would also argue with your interpretation of their play--I don't consider Emp, PoPP, Deas, or NS weak players at all, and I don't know you.

pie and pasch, maybe NS fall in that category, I think. Deas and Emp have been absent, as am I. I don't think reading other games of me would do a lot of good in this case, I'm decidedly less active than I usually like to be.

As for the claims, I have missed a couple. I'll believe you on that.

[mykonian]

shrug, why not. Who doesn't like talking about himself. If you make it nice and long, I promise you I'll read it.

[mykonian]

Also, although I feel pretty comfortable that Garruk is town we've not colored them lighter green because of POPP's claim to have been roleblocked.

I think the proper aestetic solution for that is to color popp with a darker red.

[mykonian]

Claimed one shot who was supposedly blocked once or twice and then finally investigated a townie player who died that night. Pecan is scum at best, and not useful anymore at worst.

Can I return to this. Unless there is one of those extreme coincidences which in mafia are by rare, this points to pecan scum...

Among the plethora of other things.

I do not understand how it is so hard to get pecan lynched here. He's tripping so many wires, and not just tells that I like to use, there's plenty there to trigger gut reads. And somehow he's still the third wagon.

[mykonian]

Myk, PoPP isn't happening today. Just accept it. Pasch or Emp?

since when do you have the illusion I'm such a player?

Neither. My vote is on popp at the end of the day.

There's compromise lynches, but they don't arise when plenty of people want to lynch popp. The exception I see is that hydra, not you. You and generic talk about it, the votes don't follow.


Hence once more the question. Why is it so hard to lynch pie? It shouldn't be. It's not his claim, it's not his play. Few dare to speak out in favour of him, plenty have something to dislike. But votes don't follow and it makes no sense.

[mykonian]

you.

[mykonian]

pretty much. Noone else dares to speak out. You have enough posts to pretend you are leading the town now.

I'll be just as pissed if he wins the game for scum.

[mykonian]

I've been pushing Pie all day. You're the one who was all "so why aren't we speedlynching pie?" while you were voting MoS.

I don't see it. You must be too busy fucking your mother? All I see is you arguing for me to lynch pasch or emp, without really caring which.

[mykonian]

pretty much. Noone else dares to speak out. You have enough posts to pretend you are leading the town now.

I'll be just as pissed if he wins the game for scum.

Stop half-assing it. If you think we're scum then call us scum.

does that sound like a post that wants to call you scum?

I forgot who you are, but if I think the person who's blocking my lynch and probably has the best shot at leading the town is scum, I'll be sure to play differently. That's not a position that town can afford to stay that way for too long. Also, I doubt I would bother telling you I'd be pissed if pecan wins the game for scum, if you are with him.

Desp should stick with the cheap insults, they suit his personality better.

[mykonian]

Goddamnit spyrex, you had 125 pages to make a post like that. Why wait till 127. That's just not making the game exciting anymore. YOU GO TOO FAR.

[mykonian]

anyone up for a speed MoS wagon btw?

[mykonian]

Both morph heads like SpyreX' analysis.

We're leaning toward a pasch lynch pending mass claim results.

Speaking of which, myko role and song please.

claimed role already, I think. 2945, and I don't have that many posts so it's not that hard to find. Esspecially seen that you have two pairs of eyes reading this thread, you'd think at least one would catch it. What's the use of a hydra otherwise?

Wheels by foo fighters is the song. I hope it helps you as much as the pasch lynch.

[mykonian]

Scum = pecan, empking, pasch

don't you know that betting on all numbers just makes you lose?

[mykonian]

It's new to me desp, I'm used to the one protective role.

But you raise a good point about the scum lover. Without that element the balance biases town too much. Vote stands, I'm on the right doc claim.

Come on, lets not pull a newbie card 100 pages into a large theme.

[mykonian]

That's what I'm saying. It makes no sense to play a newbie card so please don't do that. All it does is getting you lynched.

@cat; think your missing aj.

Do I have to state again what role doesn't fit?

[mykonian]

your point being: "I'm sorry I've never seen two docs in one game before because I'm obviously so very very new to this game!!!".

also, idk. If you post one more time that you don't care about being lynched, I might believe you. It works even better if you dedicate entire posts to it.

[mykonian]

as if I have significant interactions apart from popp. And I might just be bussing him (hint)

[mykonian]

My question is whether this makes sense if SpyreX' lover is scum.

how is this a question.

[mykonian]

have fun people.

[mykonian]

No reads at all?

If you can lynch someone within three pages, you better hope you have a clue what you are doing. You don't need my reads.

[mykonian]

vote MoS

[mykonian]

ok. I agree we're wking popp pretty hard and have been since day 2. You think we're what's preventing that wagon from taking off?

(I'll be pretty pissed if it actually does take off).

pretty much. Noone else dares to speak out. You have enough posts to pretend you are leading the town now.

I'll be just as pissed if he wins the game for scum.

I didn't even bother with explaining why MoS felt wrong in the climate where I couldn't even get stuff going on pie.