may i ask what the rules are concerning the election of Consuls.i.e. can the Consulmaker choose to be a Consul himself?
oh and btw, i
Raffles wrote:Yay! I got a vote!
BM, not complaining, but any reason?
Primate wrote:Andrew, it should really go without saying, but you have my word that I will not actually execute anyone unless I find them scummy. I've actually only ever played with BM in one game before, and we both died N1, so I doubt that counts.
vote mastermind of sinis good though. Until we know better, we should put the most solid players in the most powerful positions. Mos's main fault is that he's not great at getting people to go along with him, so this should help circumvent that.
@Panzer: No. Your king says that would be unecessary. Dropping more role info will not further convince people, and will just aid hannibalscum in coming up with claims. No offence, but the reason I don't want you on the tribune stand is because I don't think you're a particularly good player yet. You'd veto people for the wrong reasons. And you really, really, need to stop this habit of claiming early for bad reasons. I've seen you do it in a few games now, you figure that if you claim a your role, you will get someone to listen to you, be trusted more. All it really does though is tell the mafia who to actually kill, and prompt paranoia in a town. all the things you're trying to gain can also be gained by simply acting like a townie, putting forward your suspicions well, etc.
Rand Althor wrote:Touchy.Panzerjager wrote:BM, never speak about how I play again because you don't know and before I called you a bad player in a different game you said that I was a good player. I belief it was in Mini 400.
Zindaras wrote:EverythingBattle Mage wrote:can we even be sure this is a protown role? i mean it could be a scum role that is used to protect their own...
BMcouldbe a scum role. To be honest, I find it far more likely that he's town. Your attempt to cast doubt on Panzer is noted.
There are no vetos in Kingmaker.Raffles wrote:Zindy, I think your argumnet depends on how often a veto is used. I personally never played kingmaker before so I don't know, but someone else can fill me in for me on this one.
Zindaras wrote:MoS is a known quality player. That's why I voted him.
Zindaras wrote:MoS has a better track record than any other non-Consul in this game (and maybe even better than any Consul, too). MoS has experience and skill, and those two variables are most important.Battle Mage wrote:meh-ill believe it when i see it. So far all he is done is go off-topic and confuse me (and CES by the looks of it). I am very dubious of the amount of support he acquired before he even made a post-especially from both tribunes. Toaster Strudel voted for him without any reason whatsoever.
FOS: Toaster Strudel, Zindaras, Primate
Also, regarding the confusion thing, I think it was actually good for the town and that it was a bit of a shame that Cessy broke it so harshly.
AndrewS wrote:Raffles - the question wasn'twhether or not you could make substantial posts,it waswhether you actually. In other words - there is absolutely no reason for you to have such following - yet you do. Why? Is this inexperienced scum attempting to support one of their own, not realizing that they were giving themselves away? Newbies blindly following the person that they see the most? Quite frankly, I'd like to hear explanations from everyone who voted for Raffles as to why. It makes no logical sense.had
Mastermind of Sin wrote:BM, isn't the fact that both Consuls voted me generally a point in my favor? The consulmaker picked fairly experienced and reliable players, and the chances of both being scum are slim to none. The fact that both of them would trust me with Tribune is just a monument to my perceived experience by other good players.Battle Mage wrote:i originally voted for Twito because i thought he was a genuine sorta guy who would play the game honestly if he was town. He didnt turn up, and Raffles did, so i changed my vote to him. Evidently Raffles is active, and from his posts i would say he is perceptive. given a choice between someone who looks like clever scum (MoS) and someone who i feel will play the game properly, i chose Raffles. I still think he is the best candidate we have at the moment.
i will ask the same question about the MoS wagon. Why vote for him? i dont want the same old answer- "hes really good". How do you know he isnt scum?, and most of all, why has no-one picked up on the fact that BOTH consuls have voted for him?
BM
AndrewS wrote:Raffles - the question wasn'twhether or not you could make substantial posts,it waswhether you actually. In other words - there is absolutely no reason for you to have such following - yet you do. Why? Is this inexperienced scum attempting to support one of their own, not realizing that they were giving themselves away? Newbies blindly following the person that they see the most? Quite frankly, I'd like to hear explanations from everyone who voted for Raffles as to why. It makes no logical sense.had
Also, if you bothered to read my other games, you'd notice that I look scummy in most every game, regardless of alignment. I think it has something to do with the fact that I don't really care about looking protown. My priorities are not to protect myself, but to protect the town and search out all the scum. If the town lynches me because of my methods (which are tried and true), so be it. At least after I'm dead they'll know I was protown and can lynch the scumbags I found.
If you want an example of my playing ability, check out Himalayan Mafia. With a mountainous setup (no power roles, just scum and townies), I helped lead lynches on scum Day 1 and Day 2, then opposed the Day 3 lynch where the town mislynched. I was killed Night 3, the same night that I figured out both of the remaining scum. This is verifiable by asking several of the people I told my suspicions to when I died, including LML, the scum that everyone else considered cleared except me and Lloyd. Ironicly enough, I think that was one of the games where no one thought me particularly scummy. Of course, part of the reason I don't mind looking scummy is that no scum bothers to kill me since they figure they can get me lynched. Games like Himalayan where I manage to look protown, the scum get all scared and kill me off (I was told that the scum actually tried to kill me Night 2, but missed the deadline and had a random kill instead).
Does that answer your question, BM, or are you still unsure of your parameters?
Zindaras wrote:The chance for that is ridiculously slim. Also, if this were the case, town is screwed for today anyway.Battle Mage wrote:but lets just say the consulmaker picked one or BOTH scum as consuls. What does that make you? well, either scum, or someone easy to manipulate. From your claims you obviously do not consider yourself to be the latter, so odds are that you are scum if either of them are.
I like how you say this but you also talk every game about how good you are at scumcatching because you caught scum that one time.Everyone can have lucky guesses at who is scum. if 1 success out of 85 games is all you can offer, i have to express some doubt at your skill. However i think the best thing to do would be to wait and see for myself
What the?Im also very concerned at the way in which Zindaras and AndrewS (the latter a little more subtly) seem to be sucking up to Raffles. this is probably not a scum tell-more of a greed-tell, but i still think it should be noted.
This is just outright stupid.
*nods*Mastermind of Sin wrote:Yeah, I agree with AndrewS' point 2. I hate self-voting and try to avoid it unless I feel it's truly necessary.
I like that.
...Battle Mage wrote:ROFL. For someone who doesnt think of themselves as conceited, you do like to talk about yourself alot dont you?
Let me boil down what you're doing:
*Battle Mage walks up to MoS*
Battle Mage: Hey MoS, how are you?
MoS: I'm pretty good.
Battle Mage: What do you do nowadays?
MoS: Well, I train owls to say ORLY.
Battle Mage:O RLY?
MoS:YARR RLY!
Battle Mage: NO WAI!
Battle Mage: Well, you sure like to talk about yourself, don't you, you conceited little person?
MoS: ...
There are six people voting MoS? Add MoS, makes 7. You think there's seven scum? You think there's some forum-wide conspiracy to make everyone believe that MoS is a good player, while in reality he has the IQ of a flea?personally i will judge a players skill based on my experience of them. For all i know, most of the people backing you are scum in this game. This being the case i choose to trust my good honest self over any amount of potential liars.
For one, that'd be way too obvious. For two, we can't execute people during the Tribune voting, see my fake execution on Battle Mage.Panzerjager wrote:Its been a week, we have no tribune. If consuls were mafia, it'd be night.
AndrewS wrote:Battle mage: Read the rules. The Consulmaker MUST be town. As for whether or not he acted without information, he must have unless he was a cop (don't claim), or had another informational role. I would expect, however, that he would have to submit the choices at the same time. We can be certain, however, that he would not intentionally pick two scum as consuls. It is oh-so-tempting to ask for a BM execution for sheer annoyingness.
Raffles wrote:Let's all lynch BM crew? You mean a band wagon? I see no band wagon. Sounds terribly OMGUS-esque to me...
Mastermind of Sin wrote:BM, it takes a lot to be the "easiest Day 1 lynch on the entire site". I don't think you're there yet, you have the likes of Max and Masterchief to live up to, not even counting those who came before them.
Kison wrote:QFT.TheJiveMachine wrote:And to me, your support of a EOM execution looks like OMGUS.
Also he never says he thinks that Cephrir is innocent, just that you're scummier.
BattleMage, have you ever thought that just because people attack you, that maybe they have a point and therefore could possiblynotbe scum? Every time someone says anything that contradicts your plan or theories, you seem to go OMGUS on them and name them scum. That looks incredibly bad. But not only that, it flaws your contribution. So if you're unable to contribute, and you look scummy, why should we lynch an inactive over you?
Kison wrote:Ok, although I myself lean towards an Ubertimmy lynch, seeing as he hasn't posted at all in this thread from what I can see, yet is active elsewhere on the sight, I don't at all like the wording of Panzerjager. If a prod brought Ubertimmy around, then I would see what he had to say. So I'm going to hold off on voting Ubertimmy because I think that was a rather offensive move on Panzerjager's part.
TheEyeOfMordor wrote:@BM: As far as I can see your reasoning is that since I am scum and voting you, Town ubertimmy sees that and votes me. Fellow scum Panzer and Kison help me cover up by voting for ubertimmy and as a result 3 scum have now given themselves away...
I think not.
The only thing I have noticed about ubertimmy is that he said he didn't want to vote for Tribunes and then the post where he votes me. Altohugh I can understand reasoning behind TheEyeOfMordor votes the fact that he votes for me and hasn't really done much else doesn't say much for him even if I would turn out scum.
TheEyeOfMordor wrote:My last post was supposed to be somewhat sarcastic.
And I don't see any reason why a lurking scum wouldn't vote for his scumpartner. I wouldn't put any townie/scumminess on the factor that a lurker wanted to vote me.
Cephrir wrote:Did you just say your own argument was WIFOM? I totally agree, but that sort of defeats the purpose of arguing. The sad thing is, I'm going to keep my vote on you just because I don't want to listen to you anymore.
Panzerjager wrote:Alright, I agree with Strelz/TEOM, that decide right now if we want to lynch players who have a problematic playstyle. This is good and bad and isn't quite conducisive to scum catching but it is execellant for killing of the newer players and the idiots as quickly as possible. This could later be conducive to scum catching when all we have is players who can catch scum, not players like BM that spout off at the mouth with poor reasoning and very little thinking. I think he posts just to insult others. BM, you're doing a very very very bad Twito impression. Twito actually catchs scum. You just look like an ass, and quite the idiot.
TheEyeOfMordor wrote:Personally I think it would have been better to decide beforehand how we are dealing with BM before we executed somebody.
AndrewS wrote:Egad. Do you not see the giant rules post at the beginning of this game? Are you completely daft? If the current consulmaker dies, the role of consulmaker passes to a random Roman citizen. We were saying that we'd have to kill you if you were consulmaker, because in general, we don't trust you. If you'd like, we can meet over AIM and discuss how to improve your play...Battle Mage wrote: @MoS,AndrewS-why do you want to kill the Consulmaker? hes protown, and is needed to lynch someone. The only people who would want him dead are scum, or psychopaths
Raffles wrote:Inactive - if they are inactive now, why would electing them as a tribune make them active? If anything, they would sit on their arses even more because they can't get executed.
Scummy - I can see a few positives, but how would you go around electing a scummy one without telling him he is scummy? I mean, try electing BM. How much would you have to stretch reason to convince him that he was elected because he would make a good tribune?
Raffles wrote:Was never intended as insult, more of an observation. There's no denying that others think you are scummy, and you know this too.
Raffles wrote:Exactly. You are so used to it in all games that if I told you I want to elect you as tribune because you would make a good one, would you believe it?
TheEyeOfMordor wrote:Vote: Primatefor now.
Don't have much to say except that Zindaras shot well when he slew N9V~.
However I am feeling that we should at some point have a change of people at the helm to avoid them being scum. The death of a scum day 1 is a perfect way to cement townieness...
TheEyeOfMordor wrote:Vote: Primatefor now.
Don't have much to say except that Zindaras shot well when he slew N9V~.
However I am feeling that we should at some point have a change of people at the helm to avoid them being scum. The death of a scum day 1 is a perfect way to cement townieness...
Twito wrote:Hey I'm reading but it's taking a while as I have limited amount of time each day and I'm trying to keep up with other games while reading this one. I don't mind being Tribune tho
Raffles wrote:For probably the first time ever, I agree wholly with Kison's last two posts.
I don't have any intention to elect Twito as a tribune. The sole reason I did it is to get people talking.
Unvote, Vote: Zindaras
Raffles wrote:*smack head*
Raffles wrote:*sigh*
Let's get some discussion going guys. Maybe a competition might help. The definite tribune is probably killing it.
Unvote, Vote: TwitoChange in tone???Raffles wrote:For probably the first time ever, I agree wholly with Kison's last two posts.
I don't have any intention to elect Twito as a tribune. The sole reason I did it is to get people talking.
Unvote, Vote: Zindaras
Twito wrote:As far as the deaths go:
We have had 2 deaths each night.
Night 1 is blank. I find day 1 execution very interesting, I'll get back to this. Night 2 the death of Andrews who was very protown is a shame but Toaster Strudels kill doesn't really make sence as scum skill so I'm leaning towards vigilante. BM's death was sad I liked him.
Shanba wrote:Some thoughts: I liked Zindaras' reign, but I'm no so sure about about Primate, but that's probably just his inactivity.
TEOM hasn't struck me either way so far
TJM hasn't contributed much since replacing in, except for calling for more contribution from lurkers when he hadn't posted in four dayssmall fos
UT is lurking hardcore
Rand Althor... wow, can't say I'm too impressed with his contributions. Probably not scum with Battle Mage.
Twito: Lurking hardcore.
Kison: Despite posting quite a bit, has avoided sharing thoughts as to who he thinks is scum, instead focusing on the validity of my predecessors roleclaim and Battle Mage's head hurting logic. Called for a lurker lynch. Latest posts are wish washy.FoS Kison
Hackerhuck: Has struck me as pro-town so far, like the way he replaced in, agree with a lot of his points, has been logical and consistent.
Battle Mage: Geh. Has voted Twito for tribune days 1 and 2. Vote hopped a bit. I disagree with him virtually everywhere, except that I do agree Cephrir needs to post more content. Intgeresting reaction to the April fool's joke: "go town...I think..." implies that maybe he thought he wasn't town? Could just be BM being BM of course.
MoS: Has struck me as pro-town. I'll be interested to see his LoE since it will probably be his longest post since his election campaign post.
Raffles: I'm leaning fairly strongly pro-town here. Has seemed insightful and logical. The early wagon on him is worrying: if some of them turn up scum it might be worth looking at him again.
Cephrir: Somewhat scummy, on the early Rafflewagon, got embroiled with BM and hasn't posted much content.Small FoS: Cephrir
Livingod: Lurking hardcore, voted for my predecessor as tribune when he'd done nothing to deserve it. Definitely needs to contribute more.IGMEOY Livingod
Yeah, this post was pretty rushed.