Royal Family Mafia - Game Over!

[VitaminR]

Vote: Twito

for being the mysterious 2nd nr. 21 on the player's list.

Mod Edit: Numbering fixed.

[VitaminR]

But I think Canuckle's town. Although the popular wagon is not always the best wagon.

LL: Why is it ideal to assume he is town?

I will give you 2 of the 3 reasons why it is ideal to assume he is town:

1) Because I think he is town. (You think he's town too.)
2) Because assuming that he's town means that I don't have to worry about him being a mafia. (Trust me, I know this comment looks incredibly stupid, but it's very nice having somebody that you can 100% trust as townie, either while mistaken or not)
3) ???? (I don't want to reveal this one.)

Because first round votes are completely random

. I'm new to this forum, so I have no "oh, I want to get him back for a previous game" excuses.

I made a random vote for you earlier, then saw that the voting bandwagon was heaping up on Ether, and decided to hope on board since

he was the popular vote.

So... not random, then.

Unvote: Ether, vote: Canucklehead

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Unvote: Twito,
Vote: the silent speaker

[VitaminR]

FOS: IH

I don't know which one is worse, yours or TSS's blatant fishing.

Luckayluck clearly has information. Probably not the best move, but demanding the exact details will only ensure that it is not worth the damage.

Move on.

[VitaminR]

I still think what TSS did was suspicious. It wasn't so much his vote, but the fact that he ignored what LuckayLuck posted just before him. It struck me as feigned ignorance with the intention of forcing LuckayLuck into the spotlight and getting more information out of him.

LuckayLuck's playstyle seems strange, but I don't really see how it's scummy. The wagon on him reeks of scumminess. Twito doesn't stand out in particular on that wagon for me. I'm more suspicious of IH's quick reversal of his stance and third vote on the Twito wagon.

For now, I'm still pretty pleased with TSS, though.

[VitaminR]

Unvote Mariyta - Vote Canucklehead17

I was slightly suspicious of him earlier and his recent exchange w/Maz Medias strikes me as overly defensive...I don't think that pro-town people need to be so defensive; especially with 1 vote.

I'm not sure of what to think about LuckayLuck; really could go either way easily IMO...So I would rather tackle that one later on...I'm not finding anyone else suspicious at the moment either.

I don't like this vote at all. Overdefensiveness is a pretty weak reason (if someone is level-headed not to overreact as townie, why would they overreact as scum?) and I think, looking at Canucklehead's play, it is pretty clear that he is not an experienced player whose reactions won't tell you that much. An easy push on a newbie for not being the perfect townie.

1. LL keeps going on and on about knowing who's townie and who's not. Obviously, as we all know, the odds of lynching scum on the first day are low. So if LL is sooo positive that he(she)'s right, then why not give it a chance? If Jack turns out to be a townie, then

we can finally have a reason to knock off LL.

This really

really

looks like a slip from someone looking for a way to have LL killed. MAJOR ping on my scumdar. Also, "I was using your logic! WHY DO YOU FOS ME?" reads like an ingratiation attempt. Second, smaller ping.

FOS:Canucklehead

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It was a scummy thing to say, but I don't see how it could be a slip. Scum don't just go "I want to kill you. Erm... oops." To read it that way is a very easy way of justifying an insincere vote (whether now or in the future). I'm glad I have my vote on you.

[VitaminR]

Town know they are being accused wrongly. They HAVE no reason to be defensive.
Scum get paranoid, and think that someone knows the jig is up. They have a reason to be defensive.

In both cases, you're eager to avoid being lynched. Feeling like you're being a bad townie can lead to the same defensiveness. In any case, it is not a reliable indicator.

It was a scummy thing to say, but I don't see how it could be a slip. Scum don't just go "I want to kill you. Erm... oops." To read it that way is a very easy way of justifying an insincere vote (whether now or in the future). I'm glad I have my vote on you.

(Dissagreance) So should we ignore anything we see blatantly scummy, because scum don't make statements like that? Canuckle never said 'oops'.

That was my point. It's not a slip and I don't get why TSS is selling it as such.

I do not dispute that it was scummy and I would like to see Canuckle explain it.

[VitaminR]

1)Why do you want to join TWMotW?
I always resist your strange initiatives, so I'll follow this one for fun.

2)What special skills or talents do you bring to TWMotW?
None. Spelling skills?

3)What is your favorite brand of cereal?
Homemade. Roasted buckwheat, walnut, sesame seeds, sunflower seeds, raisins and oats with soy milk.

4)Why should we accept you as a member of TWMotW?
Dunno? You need members?

5)Do you have any previous experience with superhero teams?
Nope.

6)If a Supervillian that you can easily defeat is holding hostage two children and threatens to kill them unless you surrender and throw the secret item that grants you all your powers into the ditch of no return what do you do?
Point out that super villain is spelled wrong and then easily defeat the guy.

7)If you had the power of "King"(similar to Kingmaker games, the King is the only voter and the final decider of the lynch) who would you choose to lynch at this moment?
TSS. After that, Arafax.

[VitaminR]

A note: I won't have much access in the coming two weeks. I'll try to post at least once, though. I'm posting this in all my games.

[VitaminR]

I was suspicious of Arafax yesterday and I don't see anything to change that.

Vote: Arafax

[VitaminR]

Need a re-read before I can really comment. I'll try to get that in soon. I have holidays and time now.

[VitaminR]

The whole Jack vote was pretty scummy, but I'm not that convinced that IH is scum, to be honest.

The case against him does not seem to be based on anything substantial. Is that the only thing this wagon is based on?

[VitaminR]

I don't know. His play today has been kind of terrible, but the mislynch thing wasn't really that big of a deal. Then again maybe it was. His explanation seemed sort of sincere.

Bleh.

Vote: IH

[VitaminR]

Vote: Cogito Ergo Sum

I'm pretty sure this guy is scum. His vote choices have been bad. I'm sure people on the Arafax wagon are scum, and I'm also sure that anyone who voted for Jack becuase he was who the cop

didn't

investigated is suspicious.

I much prefer that vote, actually.

Unvote: IH,
Vote: Cogito Ergo Sum

[VitaminR]

FoS: VitaminR

You keep trying to find different ways out of voting for IH. You haven't provided a reason yet, but you do keep trying to weasel out. Methinks IH + VitaminR = Possible Scumbuddies.

Um, yeah, pretty much. I've said from the start that I'm not particularly enthused with the IH vote and I'll fully admit that I have been looking for alternatives. I've also indicated a couple of times that I just don't think there is that much against him. The whole Jack thing isn't that damning. There is nothing unambiguously scummy in it.

My reason for voting CES is that I don't like his voting record (jumping on bandwagons rather easily and with little explanation) and I just generally get the feeling that the bloodthirsty shtick to rational thought ratio is a bit too high.

[VitaminR]

Certainly you've played with CES before Vitamin? His voting record is

always

like that.

Agreed. He plays a lot like Twito sometimes.

I have played with him before and I know his style. I don't feel like there's as much actual thinking behind it this time.

[VitaminR]

'kay.

Unvote: Cogito Ergo Sum

[VitaminR]

I'm looking forward to seeing the results of all the re-reads, if they happen.

[VitaminR]

I'm looking forward to seeing the results of all the re-reads, if they happen.

Cu ef ti. Speaking of which, you vanished for a month and jumped back into the game pretty uneventfully. Are you up to speed?

Yes, I have read and re-read the thread.

[VitaminR]

IH, that doesn't make any sense.

The reason why TEOM is town if you turn up scum is that you didn't realise TEOM was inactive. Had you been scumbuddies, you would have.

[VitaminR]

This is useless. The day is going nowhere.

Vote: IH

[VitaminR]

By far, yes.

[VitaminR]

Re-reading, I like the Nightson vote a lot more than the IH wagon.

I didn't like this in particular, throughout the game he has basically not been contributing and reverting to the leading wagons :

I'm gonnavote for either canucklehead or jack, I'll figure out which later.

I don't think Pooky's method really works, though. Twito was a traitor, we have no idea if he knew who the scum was. Particularly the "Lost Prince" part seems to support that notion.

Unvote: IH,
Vote: Nightson

[VitaminR]

A Mafia Spy just seems a Mafia Cop to me. I don't see any real reason to assume Green Crayons didn't know who his scumbuddies were. It seems pretty clear that Twito didn't, though.

[VitaminR]

CES is town. Nightson, however, isn't.

[VitaminR]

Sorry, VitaminR, but I'm not seeing the case on Nightson? Did I miss it, or have you yet to expound on this theory?

My theory is mostly that he is scum. General impression from his posts.

[VitaminR]

If finding VitamenR scummy. I don't get why he jumped off the IH wagon to go for CES and then jumped back on and has now jumped off to vote Nightson. He seems to be inventing reasons to get off the IH wagon.

I explained that at the time. I only got back on because the day was stalling.

I've said numerous times I don't like the IH wagon.

[VitaminR]

I'm not sure my gut instinct is right and this game is lagging terribly.

[VitaminR]

Twito had a traitor role. There's a very good chance the scum didn't know he was scum and vice versa (that he didn't know the scum were scum, and even if the scum knew he was scum, he might not have known the scum were scum.)

I don't like the Thok vote. He's coming across as pro-townish to me and there's not really any strong evidence against him. (I also agree with his assessment of CES.)

As for why Nightson over other lurkers, I didn't like that what he has posted is this:

I'm gonnavote for either canucklehead or jack, I'll figure out which later.

I know, I need to post, but I'm busy preparing for finals week, I dunno about the twovote leaders.

Seems like scummy opportunism to me.

I don't like MOS' attack on LL, but I don't think it makes him scum. I don't really see much against Jack.

Fritzler's push on Canucklehead was scummy, but he doesn't post enough for me to really be able to read.

[VitaminR]

I don't like MOS' attack on LL, but I don't think it makes him scum. I don't really see much against Jack.

Same question to you.

He's illogical, yes. I don't think that makes him scum. I don't see the scum benefit from calling a lot of people townies.

[VitaminR]

Vitamin, if he says "I have some people confirmed as town" when they do come up town, suddenly he has credibility as being able to find scum....

Not in my eyes.

[VitaminR]

LL, traitor and scum can know each other's identities, yes. However, "The Lost Prince" implies otherwise and the trend lately seems to be to use the role in that way.

I do think Nightson is mighty suspicious, though!

[VitaminR]

Right.

Vote: Jack

then.

[VitaminR]

In a nutshell: voting the claimed cop is scummy.

More elaborate:
The questions are valid, but Jack doesn't explain how they relate to a vote. The assumption that Canucklehead's confusing role information is scummy is tacitly expressed, but not supported by logical reasoning.

[VitaminR]

Why would scum make a cop claim that weak? There's no need to.

Jack is assuming irrationality = scummy. Back it up.

[VitaminR]

It's only WIFOM if you can illustrate what purpose claiming something that weak serves. Which is kinda what I'm asking him to do...

[VitaminR]

Ooh... reasoning.

[VitaminR]

It's only WIFOM if you can illustrate what purpose claiming something that weak serves. Which is kinda what I'm asking him to do...

not having to come up with concrete results and so people like you defend him

1. Maz blocked him Night 3.
2. LL is dead. There is no result to fake.

[VitaminR]

I meant that claiming to have been scared off had no point.

Essentially, the only objection to Canucklehead that leaves is the fact that he claims to have investigated LL last night. I don't think that alone is enough to warrant voting him.

[VitaminR]

Unvote,Vote:c-head

Blatant bandwagon dude.

And not CES or PBuG?

Also, he's the cop?

Cardinal, could we get prods on Bogre, Ether, Pooky, TEOM, TSS and Thok?

[VitaminR]

Good. Now, what do you think of Jack?

[VitaminR]

I haven't really seen a case against VitaminR. Weren't the attacks on him based on IHscum? Meh. Oh--while we're on this paragraph, VitaminR, I note that Space Monkey is over. Feel free to elaborate on PBuG (replacing Nightson) now (if that had anything to do with your suspicion).

Yeah, I've been thinking about that. I initially voted Nightson because he struck me as suspicious, but when I started comparing Nightsonscum in Space Monkey to Nightson here there weren't really any striking similarities or differences (although he did seem more committed to Space Monkey).

[VitaminR]

So yeah... I'm going to completely change my mind.

Unvote: Jack,
Vote: the silent speaker

This guy is just scum.

[VitaminR]

We also need to kill Thok.

[VitaminR]

Unvote: Jack,
Vote: the silent speaker

Cool. But why not both?

I do not think Jack is scum any more.

[VitaminR]

I still like a TSS lynch. Jack is obstinate, but I don't think he's scum.

[VitaminR]

Unvote: the silent speaker,
Vote: HackerHuck

[VitaminR]

Yeah, but there's no point not hearing what he has to say.

[VitaminR]

It is unnecessarily rushed. To me, that indicates not wanting to know/already knowing what Jack will say.

[VitaminR]

Jack, claim.

[VitaminR]

I hate it when I defend people who aren't worth defending...

Unvote: HackerHuck,
Vote: Jack