Jack of All Trades Mafia -- OVER!

[Quagmire]

hey guys, i'm here! what's happened so far?

[Quagmire]

Sorry, things have been busy lately. I'm slowing catching up with all my games. I'd like to see a response to the arguments I put against The Cesspit, from whoever eventually replaced him. I guess that's, KingEnigma, so I'll

vote: KingEnigma

for now.

...I think that I'll

FOS: MoS

. Very typical response.

[Quagmire]

i'm going to

vote mos

[Quagmire]

i'm curious as to why everybody's switched offices, and if we got the role of the new office that we're in...

if that's true, i have a message for who's in my new office.

[Quagmire]

my new office is a townie, and pooky, it appears, has taken over as a paranoid cop.

[Quagmire]

my new office is a cop one and my old one opened up closed offices.

pooky --

you're not a useful cop; you're a paranoid one.

[Quagmire]

Who else wants to vote Uraj then?

since i've forgotten this already, and i'm too lazy to go back and look at the pages, could someone please sum up why uraj is scum?

[Quagmire]

i haven't seen anything that would cause me to drop the hammer.

vote: MoS

i like his desire to lynch pablito, who is obviously the most intelligent and involved in this game thus far. could this be a viable strategy to try and oust him in order to lose the town of any cohesiveness that we have left and just cruise to a victory? i'm not buying that.

[Quagmire]

I don't understand, but okay.

[Quagmire]

telling the truth about what, SV?

[Quagmire]

have a good time, yaw! thanks for taking over during my absence.

[Quagmire]

so, what am i supposed to say?

[Quagmire]

Give your analysis of anybody. Post your thoughts on anybody. Give good reasons we shouldn't lynch you right here and now.

Specifically, you've been asked to give a full analysis of me. (Which I guess is an analysis of ibaesha+me).

hmm. you like college basketball, so therefore, you are not scum. let's vote for someone who doesn't live in the US, eh?

i don't really know how i'm supposed to defend myself when i don't see an argument against me. bring up an argument against me, and i'd be happy to counter it.

who here hates NCAA hoops? i'll vote for them.

[Quagmire]

wow.

Vote: Quagmire

Way to not pay attention. If you had been paying attention, you would know that you're supposed to do an analysis of the person below you on the mod's player list, which happens to be Thok. What you just posted isn't helpful at all and just makes me think you are scum, especially with the "i don't know how to defend myself against nothing" argument, when that wasn't even what we are talking about. It seems like you have a guilty conscience to me.

vote:mos.

i've had a bad feeling on you ever since i've started this game. now, my thoughts are actually justified: with people saying, "you know this quagmire kid? i think he's suspicious" before you posted this, you *knew* that it's only a matter of time before a bandwagon starts on me. so, you're not really making any new cases on me -- you're just voting for me when other people already think i'm suspicious. you're not really going out of your way to attack me, which is exactly what a scum would do.

[Quagmire]

hm. i think MOS is a better lynch.

[Quagmire]

i disagree.

well, we shall have a friendly disagreement, then.

[Quagmire]

Geez Quagmire, you can't be this stupid, can you? Do you really think just saying "MOS is scum" is helpful at all? Do you really think ignoring the comments I've made about you is helpful? Do you want to be lynched?

At very least I'd like you to reveal your night choices from your offices.

What comments am I ignoring? The best argument against me so far is that "I've been useless". It's kind of difficult to defend yourself when there's no real valid argument against me.

Revealing my night choices is useless -- the last couple of nights, I've been a townsperson, and I was a paranoid cop before that. If you want me to tell you who H_P/I have investiaged, I'll get them -- but I don't think that they're useful.

[Quagmire]

Well, for one, the last night before everybody was reassigned, I investigated pablito and got a Guilty result.

I must have deleted the PM with everything Harry_Potter did. I'll PM the mod to get my previous results and I'll get back to you.

I told you that I seriously think MOS is scum, and I've appointed my reasons why.

[Quagmire]

Hm. It appears that I've deleted my role PM...

The mod gave me that I've investigated BabyJesus and ibeasha, and they were both guilty (nights one and two, respectively), and my last night before everybody changed offices, pablito was guilty.

I have been trying. It's just that nobody's listening to me.

Pooky, all you've done is try to fuel the fire on me. Why aren't you a good lynch?

Quagmire, if you think the reasoning against you is that you've been useless, then why don't you give us a reason to think otherwise? Unless, of course, you admit to being useless... It's a valid argument that you've been useless, so you can't just dismiss it. If you don't think you've been useless, then explain to us how you haven't been useless.

I don't know how I'm supposed to counter this. Lately I've been useful and participating; I've brought up cases against people and I'm trying to help find a lynch. I think that you're the lynch target today, MoS, and if you want me to go over your reasoning again, well, then I will.

I don't know how the argument that I've been useless is valid, unless you're counting the first little while that I've been in the game where I've had no idea what's going on.

I guess outside of the argument that "I've been useless" (Is that even a scumtell? I'd doubt it -- I'd consider a person who's more townielike more of a scumtell than someone who has been useless), I don't know of any cases against me. So, lynch me if you will, but I'd like a good reason for me to die before I do.

[Quagmire]

Please state reasons for the investigations.

Just asking for some opinions: Anyone besides me doesn't feel like continuing this?

I wasn't playing in this game for the first two. You'd have to ask the guy who I replaced.

The only person that I investigated was pablito, and that's because I thought he was scum and I didn't know about my paranoidism.

[Quagmire]

Please state reasons for the investigations.

Just asking for some opinions: Anyone besides me doesn't feel like continuing this?

Oh, and if

i'm

the useless one....

[Quagmire]

Thok: I remember one of the investigations between the ones that I just got back from Pie was also guilty, as was the person who had already died.

You'll just have to trust me on that; if Yaw had sent all of his results to pie, then this wouldn't be a problem. Nor would it be a problem if I hadn't already deleted my PM.

[Quagmire]

so, what we've concluded is that i'm probably not lying about my previous role

how can i get everybody to conclude that i'm not scum?

[Quagmire]

I do not expect Quagmire to put that much thought into the game.

You don't expect me to think about lying about my role in order to save my own ass if I'm mafia? That's insulting, considering that the last game I played with you, Dirge and I saw past you and your lyncher role.

[Quagmire]

That doesn't make my effort any less valid.

[Quagmire]

Eh, I don't know about the deadline; if it's only pooky, MoS, Thok and me talking, then we really should hold off until replacements come for spectrumvoid, mmod, and STD.

[Quagmire]

I really think that we need some more participation/replacements and the deadline to be extended.

[Quagmire]

i still don't understand exactly what the case against me is; i've done what i think is a good job of refuting what's been brought up against me, but yet. people are still voting for me. can you please explain why i'm being voted for again?

[Quagmire]

OK, did some rereading.

@Quagmire-a lot of my thoughts on why you are scum is just process of elimination. There's a fairly strong argument for Coron being town (Fuldu tried to get him lynched and Coron made the critical fourth vote that got him lynched over SV). There's a strong argument for SV being protown (SV was one of the counterwagons to Fuldu, and had a reasonably useful vote on him, plus various office power stuff she's done.) There's a decent argument for MMOD being protown (otherwise his "WTF did we use lose" post makes absolutely no sense as a first reaction, and I don't think he'd make such a post up.) There's obviously good reasons to thing I'm protown.

All of the bandwagons in this game have had a fairly high percentage of protown players on them, IMHO. That's worth noting and suggests we have lurker scum.

If I had to guess a 3 person scum group remaining, it would be MOS, Quagmire, STD, and no other group really comes close.

perhaps i missed something, but why are there good reasons to believe that you're town? are we just assuming it?

[Quagmire]

hmm, well, i guess there isn't much more for me to say, but i really, really think that mos is scum. he never took a certifiable position on me (he was waivering back and forth as far as i remember) until today, where it was already known that i'd be a sure lynch.

[Quagmire]

i'd say spectrumvoid. is it confirmed that scum can't have an office switcher?

[Quagmire]

i think that MoS and spectrumvoid are our remaining scum.

my thoughts on mos have already been posted: i don't think that he took a certain position on anything until today started, in which it was basically confirmed that i was going to be the main target of the town's lynch. this is really the only time that he attacked or voted for me with any confidence. these "positions" of his seem consistent throughout the game.

spectrumvoid has lurked the great majority of the time that we've been playing, and lately seems to continue flaunting his "office switcher" role as if it's already confirmed and that he's innocent. it feels like he's trying to

prove

his innocence to everybody by saying, "look, guys, i'll switch roles again. do you want me to? is this okay? c'mon, just say the word" without any need to do so.

so, with that said, i'd like to lynch mos today and spectrumvoid tomorrow.

vote: mos

anywho. what's thadmiral got to say about all of this?

[Quagmire]

MOS has taken strong positions on things in this game (particularly his attacks on TheCesspit/CES and his attacks on pablito-he may have been wrong about those, but he certainly took strong positions). In addition, he was one of the people attacking you yesterday.

Yes, he didn't start looking at you until yesterday, but that's partially because you/Harry Potter have massively lurked throughout the game; you/Harry Potter have basically gotten away with being ignored most of the game.

I've hardly lurked the last couple of days.

Listen, I still don't like me as a lynch -- I can guarantee you that I'm pro-town -- I've been contributing as much as any lately and I'm trying to get people to look at who is probably more deserving. I still feel that spectrumvoid flaunts her office switcher role like it's confirmed that she's town. But, you know.

[Quagmire]

You've only "not lurked" because you've come under massive amounts of attack for lurking. The only way I've gotten any info out of you is by repeatedly asking you qustions and forcing you to post. My ttack/MOS's attack were what stopped you from lurking.

Moreover, you've now made additional scum tells; I've pointed out how I think your arguments about MOS and SV are flawed, and you've ignored them.

how is that a scumtell at all? i haven't read the game previous to the point i replaced in, so when you're telling me pretty much factual information about parts of the game that i don't know about, i feel pretty compelled to believe what you say. i'm just basing my scum feelings off of what i've played through so far.

Do you really think "I'm protown, I guarantee it!" is any sort of defense?

no, but if the only evidence against me is through your process of elimination, then there's really not too much i can defend myself against, now can i?

[Quagmire]

You've only "not lurked" because you've come under massive amounts of attack for lurking. The only way I've gotten any info out of you is by repeatedly asking you qustions and forcing you to post. My ttack/MOS's attack were what stopped you from lurking.

Moreover, you've now made additional scum tells; I've pointed out how I think your arguments about MOS and SV are flawed, and you've ignored them.

how is that a scumtell at all? i haven't read the game previous to the point i replaced in, so when you're telling me pretty much factual information about parts of the game that i don't know about, i feel pretty compelled to believe what you say. i'm just basing my scum feelings off of what i've played through so far.

You replaced into the game in December. You've had months to read over the game. I'm not going to take "I haven't read the game at all" as an excuse, especially when it takes maybe ten minutes to check your comments on indivuidual people. Especially since the most common thing people have asked you to do since yesterday is, to know, read the game.

you underestimate the power of total laziness. of course i wasn't going to read the game in the first place -- that's way too long for me to give a damn about.

and "especially when it takes maybe ten minutes to check your commends on individual people" -- what does that mean?

And selectively choosing to defend against arguments is scummy; it allows you to pick and choose which arguments are part of the discussion, and make it appear you are defending yourself, when you are not.

what arguments have i not been paying attention to? because all i see is "process of elimination".

[Quagmire]

thok (or anyone else, for that matter) hasn't responded to my last post.

[Quagmire]

nothing, as of yet...

my vote sticks on MoS.

[Quagmire]

So, you've replaced into a game, and delibarately chose not to read it, or care about it? You're willing to just trust me on statements and not check them out yourself? (Note, this is a scumtell, because if you are town, you should be at least a little wary of me). You don't feel it's important to at least say, oops "I'm wrong, oh well?" (Another scum tell, ignoring an argument hoping it will go away.) You don't feel it necessary to refine your reasons for going after SV or MOS when they've been partially been shown to be wrong?

1) considering you said there's pretty much total evidence supporting your townitude, and also considering everybody else's agreeing to that situation, i'll trust you. (so, in other words, it's not a scumtell at all)
2) i don't understand what relevance " You don't feel it's important to at least say, oops "I'm wrong, oh well?" " has in regards to me, so i won't really bulldog it apart.
3) where have they been shown to be wrong again?

And there's an asymmetry; given that well, everybody has been lurking, why only focus on SV's lurking? Why haven't you discussed STD at all (among others)?

um, i don't think that they're scum...?

As for your statements about MOS and SV, you don't need to read the entire thread to check them; you can just select "Find all posts by blah" and skim those posts (given that you are looking for things like "Not taking a strong stand" or "Been lurking").

too much work

I mentioned how your comments about SV and MOS were horrid in 1860; you've originally ignored my comments about them, except to say "Well I guess you're right Thok". And then you've continued to vote for MOS anyways.

I'll add this; you seem to be more concerned with defense then actually saying anything useful in this game.

hang on, i'll reply to it in a few minutes, when i find the "evidence".

[Quagmire]

MOS has taken strong positions on things in this game (particularly his attacks on TheCesspit/CES and his attacks on pablito-he may have been wrong about those, but he certainly took strong positions). In addition, he was one of the people attacking you yesterday.

Yes, he didn't start looking at you until yesterday, but that's partially because you/Harry Potter have massively lurked throughout the game; you/Harry Potter have basically gotten away with being ignored most of the game.

1) what about all of the times in the game where he's taken weak and nonconfrontational positions?
2) we/i was called out before yesterday.

You're a fine one to accuse people of lurking. Morover, SV's lurking is a more recent phenomenon (earlier in the game she was posting a lot.)

It is confirmed that SV has an office switcher role. I feel like you are massively stretching to get that she's flaunting the fact of her power.

not really evidence

[Quagmire]

1) what about all of the times in the game where he's taken weak and nonconfrontational positions?
2) we/i was called out before yesterday.

Where has MOS taken weak or nonconfrontal positions? Without examples, your statement is worthless.

Where were you called out before yesterday? Certainly, you haven't been forced to post at all before yesterday.

people were continuing to say, "first, let's lynch pablito, then quagmire."

MoS had no input into this, whereas many people agreed with the people who wanted my head chopped to pieces. He then decided to take pages 68-71 to post nothing but one-liners with little relevance to the game.

He then decided, with a post that I made about not voting for Thok because he liked NCAA hoops (that didn't intend at first to be a trap-post, but in retrospect, was), that I was scummy. He then decides to speak up and create a bandwagon before anyone else does; that post of mine, obviously, was scummy.

Page 73 is also good evidence towards my cause; he spends little time talking about me, the most popular lynch target, because he doesn't want to be seen as a bandwagoner. At least, that's what I get out of it.

He then abruptly changes his mind and decides I'm scum after not really paying much attention to the arguments against me.