Royal Family Mafia - Game Over!

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*has a headache*

*just read the whole game with said headache*

*has a worse headache now*

*proxies opinion to Lackay Luck*

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votes: Jack

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1)Why do you want to join TWMotW?

Because I forsee huggles in TWMotW's future

2)What special skills or talents do you bring to TWMotW?

I'm nearly unbeatable at Super Smash Brothers, and I occasionally fly around the world in my super-secret lunchbox-mobile.

3)What is your favorite brand of cereal?

Golden Grahams

4)Why should we accept you as a member of TWMotW?

I don't write long, headache-giving posts except the occasional one that actually matters. I also have a winning record out of over 70 games on mafiascum. Besides that, I'm wearing a black and white hat (similar to the Cat in the Hat's hat) modeled to look like a Ying Yang with the Mickey Mouse symbol instead of circles.

5)Do you have any previous experience with superhero teams?

I am a member of the Hellfire Club.

6)If a Supervillian that you can easily defeat is holding hostage two children and threatens to kill them unless you surrender and throw the secret item that grants you all your powers into the ditch of no return what do you do?

I toss my controller into the ditch and punch him in the face. Then I go buy a new controller.

7)If you had the power of "King"(similar to Kingmaker games, the King is the only voter and the final decider of the lynch) who would you choose to lynch at this moment?

Jack

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You consider the question of "who would you lynch, right now, if the decision were yours and yours alone?" a time waster?

Well...we could just, you know,

VOTE

for people.

Hence why my vote is on you.

You consider the question of "who would you lynch, right now, if the decision were yours and yours alone?" a time waster?

Well...we could just, you know,

VOTE

for people.

QFT


I really don't see how this will accomplish consensus and save us time. If everyone provided a list of their top two/three scum, that might narrow it down to a few suspects that most people have on their list, rather than the broad group we'll get if everyone just puts out one name.

Besides, who wants to join the group if you're going to let the scum join too?

My top two are LL and CES.

unvote, vote: HackerHuck

Town shouldn't really be concerned about "saving time", since the longer the days are with reasonable activity, the better. Only scum want to hurry along the game, so they can rush people into decisions that aren't beneficial to the town.

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This game is very hard for me to follow. Posts that are so long I have to scroll on a 19" monitor make me very unhappy....

So far all I see are annoying people who type long posts, and one scummy person who is "blindly" following someone else in order to put blame on them when they lynch a town.

I was just telling my roommate that today. I have a 19" widescreen monitor on 1900x1260 resolution, and I have to scroll 4 pages worth just to read one post. That's way overkill. You're playing mafia, not writing a novel.

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= P Sorry Mariyta, I know the pains of a small screen. Hiding your taskbar helps, as does holding down control, and rolling your wheel down.

But thats beside the point.

Saying "hey let's do whatever he says today" counts as strongly supporting, I would think.

This post is intetionally one line long.

Mmmm, I count two lines.

oh em gee.

Small screen doesn't have much to do with it, although that probably makes it worse, lol.

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Seriously, people,
Canuckle claimed COP
Seriously, people,
This wagon should STOP.
I do see the deadline
But we needn't put away the noose
There are other candidates
But a cop? No excuse!

Jack? Other people? Off. Personally, I'm cool with an IHlynch. I wouldn't

mind

a Twitolynch, but I'd much prefer IH. There's one more option here.

Guys

this game is going to last a long time

plus its 12 people to lynch.

so we obviously need some unity in order to get anything done.

I really don't see how this will accomplish consensus and save us time. If everyone provided a list of their top two/three scum, that might narrow it down to a few suspects that most people have on their list, rather than the broad group we'll get if everyone just puts out one name.

unvote, vote: HackerHuck

Town shouldn't really be concerned about "saving time", since the longer the days are with reasonable activity, the better. Only scum want to hurry along the game, so they can rush people into decisions that aren't beneficial to the town.

MoS has displayed the same kind of double-standard I've disliked from IH, really.

hrmm?

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Twito should shoot a second person, while he's still alive. That way, if he's not lying, he'll either kill scum or clear someone.

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*sigh*

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Vote: Jack

He was high on my suspicion list yesterday, and his actions today have further convinced me of his scumminess.

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Woah, didn't notice this game restarting.

Maz came back innocent.

No real surprise there.

Well isn't that

Convenient

with a capital C. Let's see:

1) You're scum
2) You know when I'm lynched I'll turn up townie
3) Therefore you can't have a guilty on me or you'll be lynched
4) So you invent an "caught during the night" gimmick to explain why you didn't investigate me and try and lynch me anyway.

My first instinct was right,

Vote:Canucklehead

This is very OMGUSsy, Jackyboy. And I don't see why you're so aggressive against claimed cops.

I agree with this analysis.

LL's analysis of you yesterday seemed quite accurate, and although he managed to eventually convince himself that you were a townie, I do not share that belief.

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nvm, i was thinking of a diff game. I'm in too many >_<.

He didn't do a full analysis on you. He felt you were scummy for your vote on Twito yesterday, though.

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I almost want to unvote Jack for being diligent and defending himself well, except that all he's doing is questioning those that attack him, and I haven't seen him make any sort of progress towards helping us find scum in any of his posts recently.

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I don't need a prod. I need a reread.

Seconded.

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What is scummy about MoS specifically? He's just lurked as far as I can tell.

Yeah, I mean to amend that if possible. I'm pretty much on limited access for all games because of the business of my daily schedule, but I'm trying to catch up.

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vote: LuckayLuck

Horrible strategy.

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Revote with correct tags: CES

<<remembers a time when MoS followed Pooky

not blindly, this far into the game. I only do it as a joke. LL sounds serious.

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Wait, wait. My apologies, I see what MoS meant. LL is blindly following Pooky.

Still, doesn't seem like an extremely strange or horrible strategy considering how LL has played this whole game.

Actually, when I replaced into this game I seem to recall that LL was being quite prolific and offering his own opinions on things, rather than just following someone for no reason at all.

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*sigh*

Can we lynch LL already?

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Unvote, vote: MOS

because of how scummy his last post was.

Care to explain, or just gonna call it scummy?

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MOS

why don't you explain why your post was scummy?(look at it from all angles and see if you could come up with any reasons why TSS would've thought it was scummy)

Because I want to see him back up his own suspicions.

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That said I stand by my current vote for now. LL is clearly town, seems to me (at this moment); and when someone is agitating to lynch the clearly town, I get suspicious of them. Particularly someone who was very supportive of the clearly-town person, to the point of proxying his vote, early on. (One throwaway line about a proxy vote in the beginning of the game could be a joke, I'm aware. But MOS also accused Jack on LL's dime, and continued to accuse Jack the next day, so it isn't just the proxy vote that makes me think he was cozying up to him before.)

Just because I thought someone was town before doesn't require me to continue thinking he was town. I am specifically voting him

because

I thought he looked protown before. That is, I want to know why he's not acting protown anymore. He went from being active and insightful and contributing to following around pooky like a lapdog and failing to offer any ideas of his own.

Also, I already admitted that I was completely mistaken in my attack on Jack and don't believe him to be scum (don't mistake this as vouching for his innocence). Do you see me on the Jackwagon now? Just sayin'.

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nvm, i was thinking of a diff game. I'm in too many >_<.

He didn't do a full analysis on you. He felt you were scummy for your vote on Twito yesterday, though.

(don't mistake this as vouching for his innocence)

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LuckayLuck is Scummy McScummerScum

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Of course it's the truth

he has lovely eyes.

Pooky was innocent one my first night's investigation, so I would like to trust that he's actually got something here. My only fear is that my sanity might not be straight yet, as I haven't gotten a guilty return on any player. IH, I've soooo GMEOY.

unvote, vote: Thok

HoS: Jack

Just a reminder, but Pooky's innocence doesn't make him right. It just means that he won't be deliberately sending us down the wrong path.

We still have a ways to go before deadline, so I don't really like how Luckay's pushing for a lynch. Especially now that he's abandoned the spreadsheet of doom.

Not to mention that we haven't confirmed the cop's sanity (have we?), and even if we had, there's a good chance that a game this size has scum that come up innocent to investigation.

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Why is LL not dead yet?

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Get to it!

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I think I want him to explain himself.

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First off, I love your playstyle, LL. Absolutely love it. When you first replaced into a game I was in, I knew you would be a good player from the moment you posted. Your posts showed careful thought and deep insight into the game, and I'm not feeling that from you anymore. I understand why you don't want to lynch IH, and I'm not voting him either, but I don't understand how you think randomly following Pooky on no evidence is a better alternative to actually sleuthing out scum like you usually do. If you really think IH is townie, why are you putting so little effort into saving him from lynch?

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If you really think IH is townie, why are you putting so little effort into saving him from lynch?

Really? I thought I had put more effort into it...

I'm not saying that you haven't repeatedly said that IH is town (because you have, over and over again). However, that's only half the battle, and that's the half that scum find really easy to pull off in order to make themselves look good while the town bandwagons a townie. The more difficult half of the battle is sniffing out the real scum in order to provide a better suspect than the person you believe to be innocent. This is something that, until now, you were failing to do. While I greatly appreciate the effort you now put into it, I still want an explanation of why you followed Pooky blindly instead of putting in this sort of effort in the first place.

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First off, I love your playstyle, LL. Absolutely love it.

my sarcasm detector is broken

(i dare someone to say thats a useful invention, I DARE YOU)

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Not a fan of MOS attack on LL. He hasn't been saying much.

OK, a look over things makes me want to reconsider the IH wagon; I'll go with an

unvote, vote MOS

Why do you have a problem with my points against LL? Are you sucking up to LL so he'll unvote you, or do you actually condone blindly following other players who have presented little to no reasoning for someone to be scum?

Also, who hasn't been saying much? I think both of us have been pretty vocal as of late, so I'm having trouble playing the pronoun game here.

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I don't like MOS' attack on LL, but I don't think it makes him scum. I don't really see much against Jack.

Same question to you.

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I don't. Since Twito was a traitor, you wouldn't have known he was scum. He would've known you were scum, so you have to look at his reactions to you, not your actions. Now, I don't think LL should've stopped there, of course. Once he felt that Twito knew you were scum, he should've looked at your actions to see if there was anything generally scummy, in order to support his theory.

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Whoops, my bad. I thought LL was still trying to get Thok lynched. I got confused.

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So Twito said...but he was scum, so we can't really believe that he was doing what he claimed to be doing.

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What is Nightson suspicious for, if you don't mind me asking?

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unvote, vote: Fritzler

I like LL's most recent posting, and the effort he's putting into his thoughts are making me rethink my suspicion of him. I think that his points against Fritzler have some merit as well.

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especially concerning Canuckle. I am doubting his claim more and more.

a Jack lynch would be the most preferable

So! Is someone going to remind me what the case on Jack was?

I think that his points against Fritzler have some merit as well.

o.

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Dude. I could perfectly understand, say, "Twito didn't bring Fritzler up aside from that" ('cept that then you'd have to explain the difference between Fritzler and other such people), but a case based on a traitor being making friendly points that

weren't related to actual gameplay

is bullshit. Luckay starts the case, admits that it's light: you hop on (renouncing your attack on Luckay, which no one particularly liked). Nothing else.

Deadline in mind, a Fritzlynch today is unlikely and an IHlynch is pretty secure. I'm rather confused about this, but it doesn't change his Luckay behavior. To answer Luckay's question: if IH is town, I think I'd go for MoS next.

Ether, I never renounced my case against LL. In fact, I think anyone that says my case against him was bullshit or bad or whatever is full of shit themselves, because I had a very reasonable case that no one has yet to provide a good reason against. The fact that you believe I renounced my case against LL shows that you either did not understand the case against him, or you just weren't paying attention at all. Either way, LL has now begun acting in a more protown manner and has presented a case that I find somewhat agreeable, especially since I don't think IH is that scummy. Since he has corrected his manner of play, I see no reason to push for his lynch at this juncture of the game. As long as he continues to be helpful and reasonable, he deserves to live for now.

I am amused that you would lynch me off the basis that IH is town, Ether. Care to explain why IH coming up town would make you want to lynch me?

Out of curiousity, who would you want to lynch if IH came up scum?

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Dude. I could perfectly understand, say, "Twito didn't bring Fritzler up aside from that" ('cept that then you'd have to explain the difference between Fritzler and other such people), but a case based on a traitor being making friendly points that

weren't related to actual gameplay

is bullshit. Luckay starts the case, admits that it's light: you hop on (

renouncing your attack on Luckay, which no one particularly liked

). Nothing else.

Deadline in mind, a Fritzlynch today is unlikely and an IHlynch is pretty secure.

I'm rather confused about this, but it doesn't change his Luckay behavior.

To answer Luckay's question: if IH is town, I think I'd go for MoS next.

(Italics mine)

I think it's fairly clear in the italicized sentences that you are implying that my behavior regarding LuckayLuck was suspicious/scummy/etc., however you want to describe it.

In fact, I think anyone that says my case against him was bullshit or bad or whatever is full of shit themselves

I said that the case on Fritzler as stated by Luckay and supported by you was bullshit, and I don't feel that this has ever been adequately denied. I don't particularly mind the Luckayunvote in and of itself (as for the original case's validity, I think I'll want to read Fairytale at some point), but I strongly disliked your immediate entry onto the Fritzwagon and complimenting the points that Luckay himself admitted were slight.

Yet here, you claim that you didn't really mind me attacking and then unvoting him, but that in fact you found me scummy more because of the fact that I voted Fritzler.

Admittedly, there's something in the defense that Fritzler used that I also dislike. "Twito couldn't have known what he was talking about!" is a silly assumption to make; it's as though he's already admitted that there's a connection that would otherwise be incriminating. Bah.

You don't say? Funny how that works. Personally, I think it's very possible that Twito knew who the scum were, because that's how a Traitor generally works. I don't think that because his flavor was "Lost Prince" that they changed the mechanics of the role. Lost Prince can merely imply that the Royal Family

can't find him

, i.e. the mafia don't know who he is, but that doesn't prevent him from knowing who they are. Think about it from a story standpoint. The Royal Family lives in the freakin' palace, it's not hard to find them. The Lost Prince knows exactly where the Royal Family is, if he can get to them. On the other hand, the Royal Family doesn't know where he is, because he's the

Lost Prince

. I don't think I need to explain any more thoroughly than that.

I am amused that you would lynch me off the basis that IH is town, Ether. Care to explain why IH coming up town would make you want to lynch me?

It wouldn't be "off the basis" at all. If IH is town, every conspiracy theory that ever crossed my mind will go down the drain and I won't really have much direction anymore. Independently, you'd still be up there. Dunno how I'd feel about Thok. Cogito would be just gone.

Out of curiousity, who would you want to lynch if IH came up scum?

Right now, probably one of you, Thok and Cogito. I currently find you/Thok together unlikely, though. Curse that "there are at least four scum" clause.

Good, that was the response I was hoping to get. Had you replied any differently, I might've thought you scum. At least this way, I know that if you're scum, you're at least being careful and smart about it.

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IH, this is terrible...I know you're a villager, and everyone will know you're a villager when you die, but I can't stand your main suspicion of Jack...

IH, answer this. How is this Twito-Jack interaction possible?

If I can't get rid of LL and his headhurting posting style I better just agree with it and follow him like a god. Should be interesting game.

Unvote
VOTE: JACK

Coz LL said so!

and then Twito 180 degrees his opinion of me (if I was a scum partner, this would be pure craziness)? He makes about 10 or so more posts about explicitly following me and me being his god or whatever. Btw, the fact that he 180 degreed me and followed me onto JACK tells a lot of tales about Jack too, it clears Jack as a townie pretty heavily.

Why does IH voting Jack clear Jack? If IH is town, why can't he vote scum? If IH is scum, what's keeping him from voting his partner? Ever hear of distancing tactics?

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Erm, sorry. Replace IH with Twito, and ignore the "If Twito is town" part.

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Why does Twito voting Jack clear Jack? It's called a distancing tactic.

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I disagree. I find LL's suggested backstory to be the MOST likely for a Lost Prince. The only variation on Traitor that I've seen that didn't know who the mafia was had an ability that let him search for them at night.

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MoS, I read your vote choice as "Yeah, yeah, that's cool, Luckay. (Whatever.) Now let's all go out for scones!"

You weren't reading very well, then. If you look at LL's posts, you can see his play take a vast change in style, and I find him more useful than he was before. I didn't just change my vote on a whim or without good reason.

I don't really get the approach everyone seems to be taking to the Fritzwagon, anyway; this is one of those times where Twito's knowledge seems nigh-irrelevant. Two side-comments that don't involve scumhunting? Please. Especially when MoS says

this

:

Ever hear of distancing tactics?

as he attacks Fritzler.

So, it's relevant that I mention distancing tactics as I attack Fritzler,

who you don't even think is scum?

Interesting logic there, Ether.

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Good for you, PBuG.

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VR, would you like to explain your vote?

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For a while I almost thought it looked like Jack was scum causing C-head's wierd results so he could get him lynched for having no useful information, basically using the argument he just tried to use. I still think that's a valid theory, but I'm not sure enough to base a vote on it anymore, so

FoS: Jack

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Point 2 has no merit, VR. They could've killed LL and then decided to claim to have investigated him, to keep from having to give us useful info. Just sayin', although having both Maz and LL die in one night makes such a gambit far less likely.

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Agreed.

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I'm betting on yet to be revealed, but iunno.

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So, you've given me the two obvious choices (claimed cop plus investigation target), one of whom you've voted repeatedly, and the other person you gave is the one of the few people today who has said "don't lynch Jack!". Again, this gives an example of how you're not really analyzing people and just calling people scum if they vote for you.

Jesus christ. You ask me for three pro town players and I give you a list of the three players I feel are most likely to be pro town. What did you want?

I asked what I wanted to see. I'm also giving my intepretation of your choices. I think I'm perfectly within my rights to be suspicious of you claiming that you believe C-Head is protown when your actions (repeatedly voting C-Head, and in fact voting him today) don't correspond with that claimed belief.

This right here doesn't make any sense to me, and I'd like Jack to give an explanation for it. If he can't come up with a satisfying reason, I'll be upgrading my FoS shortly.

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I don't know why you guys think scum would try and lynch a claimed cop anyway. I'm not saying it's impossible but it doesn't seem like a winning strategy to me.

Vote: Jack

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vote: jack

GG reading comprehension

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If (jacksinnocence.proven == True)
Votesonjack = 0;
Else
Votesonjack = 8;

fixed.

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^^^@Occult


BM, you've either not been nightkilled because:
a) you're being protected
b) the scum

think

you're being protected and don't have the balls to kill you
c) you ARE scum
d) the scum know something about you that we don't and don't need to kill you
e) the scum are stupid
f) the world is exploding

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z) all of the above

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LoL, actually, I can't answer that for you at all, BM. I'm the Prince's page, and I control the drawbridge. I have no clue what the drawbridge does, and since the drawbridge has always stayed up, I can only assume that my nightchoice isn't the only factor involved. My guess would be that the drawbridge probably lets certain roles into the castle, but I haven't been able to lower it yet. Even though I'm the Prince's page, my role pm states that I secretly hate my job and would jump at the chance to get out from under the thumb of the Royal Family. My guess is that you got that result because of my employment. I hate miller roles -_-.

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Because someone who secretly works against his employers would totally have evidence of his true alignment in his room. Riiiiight. That doesn't make a lot of sense, BM. If I'm lying about being drawbridge keeper, there is an easy way to resolve that. I'll be counterclaimed, and you'll know.

You don't seem to understand what the definition of a miller is, do you?

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http://www.mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Miller

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Look, why don't you just let me prove my role? I'll attempt to lower the drawbridge tonight, and if it lowers, you'll know I wasn't lying. If it doesn't, then you can lynch me tomorrow. If whoever else has an effect on the drawbridge if protown, they won't stop me. If they're not, I'm screwed, but I'm willing to take that gamble. It's a simple test that will at best save you from lynching a townie whose role you could've proven, and at worst, you'll lynch me tomorrow anyways.

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How in the hell am I confirmed scum? Do you

still

not understand the concept of a miller? As for my flavor, how is my character rebelling any more ridiculous than any of us rebelling? Just because you're farther under the tyrannical thumb of the Royal Family means that you aren't allowed to want to rebel? WTF kind of logic is that? Have you even stopped to think this through, or are you so convinced of your own goddamn infallibility that you won't even stop to listen to reason when you have an easy way to test my role?

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Actually, BM, given that we got rid of two scum right away, we're pretty well off right now. Starting with 23 people, and 1 kill a night with 1 exception, I'd say we probably have about 3 scum left, and not in the same group.

Pooky, the "silly thing" attached to my role just happens to be correlated by last night's death. It supports my claim, because it's logical for there to be someone in charge of the drawbridge if someone is in charge of the porticullis. Now, since we know that someone is in charge of the drawbridge, why haven't I been counterclaimed? Oh yes, that's right. Because

I'm in charge of the drawbridge

.

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EDWOP: I could see us having 4 scum out of 13 players left, maybe.

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Actually, BM, given that we got rid of two scum right away, we're pretty well off right now. Starting with 23 people, and 1 kill a night with 1 exception, I'd say we probably have about 3 scum left, and not in the same group.

Pooky, the "silly thing" attached to my role just happens to be correlated by last night's death.

It supports my claim, because it's logical for there to be someone in charge of the drawbridge if someone is in charge of the porticullis.

Now, since we know that someone is in charge of the drawbridge, why haven't I been counterclaimed? Oh yes, that's right. Because

I'm in charge of the drawbridge

.

What worries me MoS, is the possibility that your claim is based solely on the bit i have highlighted. You have been quick to emphasise that it fits in with the flavour, but i find it significantly more likely that your claim was based upon this fact. Your tone seems to support this. And the fact you havent been counter-claimed making u correct is complete fallacy. firstly, only half the players have actually been on yet today, so odds are, the REAL person in charge, hasnt even read your claim yet. Secondly, what power role in their right mind would try and counter-claim a confirmed scum who was about to get lynched anyway?
its so obvious that you are using your last few days in an attempt to out a protown power role, to help your buddies a bit. I sincerely urge the real Drawbridge controller NOT TO COUNTER CLAIM. Im not even ruling out the possibility that MoS DOES control the drawbridge. It could be the 1 genuine thing he is telling us. Unfortunately an anti-town is an anti-town.
Also, i disagree about us being well off. The town had a lucky first day-night, and since then the scum has been dominant. We still havent uncovered an actual ringleader (King, Queen etc) unless you count Twito.
Im thinking there is a good shot that you are the King-considering your experience and good leadership etc.

Oh and by the way, i feel like pointing out that, considering the length of this game, and the fact that the scum have pulled it back ALOT, i expect the Mafia have developed some pretty close bonds. When i revealed my result, i was originally expecting there to be unquestioned bussing of MoS, by his wiser buddies-who obviously wanted to avoid investigation tonight. Whilst this is still a possibility, i find Occult to be suspicious as well, for acting entirely differently.
He began the day by singing dedication to me (albeit because of Canucklehead) then went on to disbelieve me when he heard it was MoS. Personal loyalty to his leader? it wouldnt surprise me one bit. I wouldnt blame him-if i was a newer player, and my significantly better leader was about to get lynched, i would be genuinely keen to defend him. Unfortunately, if MoS comes up as scum, i think Occult could well be his buddy.
BM

So let's see here. A cop claims I'm scum, I claim, and you think I'm scum because I'm emphasizing on the one thing that

supports

my claim? Are you insane? You aren't even stopping to consider your options at all. You are so convinced that your result can't possibly be wrong that you aren't even considering any possibilities that involve me being protown. Anything that's suggested to you gets a cursory glance and is immediately thrown out the window. That's hardly a protown attitude, BM. I don't understand why a protown cop would want to railroad someone this hard, but I can't figure out why scum would want to do it either, since I'll be revealed as town after I'm lynched.

BM, so let me see if I understand you correctly. You think that the drawbridge controller is a power role, so you don't want anyone to counterclaim me, because you don't want them killed. However, you want to lynch me, who has claimed said power role

and

can prove myself during the very next night phase. You can't have it both ways, BM. Either my role is useless enough that you don't want to stick around to let me prove myself, or the role is so important that you don't want anyone to counterclaim me. If my role is useless, then let me be counterclaimed. If my role is important, let me prove myself. Don't disregard the obvious logic here, just because you're an inexperienced cop.

Yes, not everyone has checked in. However, we have plenty of time. I can wait, and so can you, if you're truly protown. You're in no rush, or at least, you shouldn't be. If there are people that have failed to show up since I've claimed, why don't you ask for prods on them, eh?

[Mastermind of Sin]

Actually, I claimed Drawbridge Keeper - Prince's Page. The miller part I have no idea about, but I can only gesture that it comes from the fact that I work for the Prince. All

I

knew from my role is that I work for the prince but I don't like the Royal Family.

The Portcullis is down, sealing the first exit.
The Drawbridge is raised, sealing the second exit.
The Jail is empty, and locked.

As for proving my role, I don't know what the drawbridge does, but I

can

prove that I control it by lowering the drawbridge. I have specified my role's abilities, Pooky, contrary to what you claim. The only thing I can do is pull the level to lower the drawbridge, or not pull the lever. That's it.

[Mastermind of Sin]

Pooky, it's not like I know exactly what my role is going to show up as. I'm just using your assumptions of what my role would be described as and correcting what you've said to the best of my knowledge. I don't have a clue what "order" my role will be listed in, nor did I really consider it when I posted before. In addition, if you expect a royal family member to be in control of the drawbridge, then why was a rebel in control of the porticullis, which is inside of the drawbridge? The drawbridge and porticullis are usually right behind each other in a castle, so I'm not seeing the logic you're using to assume that scum would control the drawbridge.

[Mastermind of Sin]

Well at least

someone

isn't just following the cop...

[Mastermind of Sin]

lol i admire your efforts-i really do, but its not going to work.
ive already said that we ought to let everyone post before we lynch you, but the result should be the same regardless.
Your pleas are falling on deaf ears.
BM
*Also, i wouldnt say im an inexperienced cop lol. im more often a cop than i am scum.

If you aren't an inexperienced cop, it would've occured to you that cop results aren't infallible, and that theme games in particular are prone to roles that cause them to come up with the wrong alignment based on their flavor.

[Mastermind of Sin]

Hmm, I do believe he's right. It looks like I managed to lower the drawbridge on Night 2. I guess I should've paid more attention back then, but RL issues were making it hard to keep track of all my games. Oh well.

[Mastermind of Sin]

you seem to have misread. HH seemed to be actually pointing out that your role does look anti-town.
if thats flattering to you, you really need higher standards lol.
i realise that my results MAY be wrong, but frankly the odds are quite slim. so far they have been correct-i see no reason why i would be a cop who sometimes gets it right and other times gets it wrong.
Im sticking to my guns and lynching you.
BM

Well at least

someone

isn't just following the cop...

I didn't say that he was supporting my claim. I just said that he wasn't stupid enough to blindly accept a cop's claim when there are perfectly plausible reasons for him to be wrong. Again, you don't seem to understand the concept of a miller. You getting the wrong result now has

nothing

to do with your role as a cop. You will always get the correct result,

except

when

someone else's

role interferes with it, i.e. mine, in this instance.

[Mastermind of Sin]

rofl-you achieved your special role and didnt even realise? what total crap!
i think any doubts the town might have had have just been lost.
rofl.
BM

Hmm, I do believe he's right. It looks like I managed to lower the drawbridge on Night 2. I guess I should've paid more attention back then, but RL issues were making it hard to keep track of all my games. Oh well.

Considering that I replaced in the middle of Day 1 and we've already established that I wasn't able to pay that much attention to the game back then, it should be perfectly understandable that I missed the one night that I was actually successful. Hell, most nights I've had to be prodded for a night choice, but I didn't even pay enough attention to remember I had a role. Them's the breaks, bud.

[Mastermind of Sin]

Pooky, I'm ashamed of you. You were BSing so well, until it became apparent that you hadn't actually read my claim very seriously, since I clearly hinted that I've tried to lower the drawbridge every night since I replaced into the game.

LoL, actually, I can't answer that for you at all, BM. I'm the Prince's page, and I control the drawbridge. I have no clue what the drawbridge does, and since the drawbridge has always stayed up, I can only assume that my nightchoice isn't the only factor involved. My guess would be that the drawbridge probably lets certain roles into the castle, but I haven't been able to lower it yet. Even though I'm the Prince's page, my role pm states that I secretly hate my job and would jump at the chance to get out from under the thumb of the Royal Family. My guess is that you got that result because of my employment. I hate miller roles -_-.

[Mastermind of Sin]

how does replacing in the middle of day1 have to do with your actions on the following night? I don't really see a "i'm not paying attention" excuse apply to an active nightchoice you would make...

It doesn't apply to the nightchoice. It applies to the fact that I clearly wasn't paying enough attention to the thread to notice that the drawbridge had actually gone down that night.

[Mastermind of Sin]

I would honestly not expect PJ/Ibby not to put a role such as "miller/drawbridge lowerer" into the game when everyone else has a singular role in terms of what they are.

MOS, that's one of the points of your claim that I was not clear on because it sounded like a contradiction.

If you had been trying to lower the drawbridge every night, then why would you ask for one more night to prove yourself when you have been trying to lower it every night and to the best of your knowledge at the time, the drawbridge had not been lowered at any night?(why would one more night make a difference? if you had failed to lower the thing every night before today(which was your belief at the time) then why would you expect to be able to lower it tonight to prove yourself?

Again, you're not paying attention. I've already answered this question long before anyone asked it of me.

Look, why don't you just let me prove my role? I'll attempt to lower the drawbridge tonight, and if it lowers, you'll know I wasn't lying. If it doesn't, then you can lynch me tomorrow.

If whoever else has an effect on the drawbridge is protown, they won't stop me. If they're not, I'm screwed, but I'm willing to take that gamble.

It's a simple test that will at best save you from lynching a townie whose role you could've proven, and at worst, you'll lynch me tomorrow anyways.

[Mastermind of Sin]

Wow. Thok was right. Shea's claim was terrible. Better than mine, obviously, but then I was damned by a cop result anyway.

Actually, I claimed Drawbridge Keeper - Prince's Page. The miller part I have no idea about, but I can only gesture that it comes from the fact that I work for the Prince. All

I

knew from my role is that I work for the prince but I don't like the Royal Family.

The Portcullis is down, sealing the first exit.
The Drawbridge is raised, sealing the second exit.
The Jail is empty, and locked.

As for proving my role, I don't know what the drawbridge does, but I

can

prove that I control it by lowering the drawbridge. I have specified my role's abilities, Pooky, contrary to what you claim. The only thing I can do is pull the level to lower the drawbridge, or not pull the lever. That's it.

I am lynched and come up as scum.

Later in the game...

Well, I am the bowman. Basically though, I can raise or open the drawbridge during the night. I guess it has something to do with defending the castle. The flavor makes very little sense to me, also, the role seems to have done very little this game. As you can see, I have opened and closed the draw bridge a couple of times, and It hasn't done anything that I can tell in terms of tangibly effecting the game.

Who still has to claim?

And he got away with it! Lolz.

[Mastermind of Sin]

stupid cop investigations. I could've gotten away with it if it wasn't for that meddling cop!

[Mastermind of Sin]

lol.