Mobile Suit Gundam SEED Mafia - Game Over

kanyeknowsbest · Sat Dec 14, 2013 7:34 pm

friom*

kanyeknowsbest · Sat Dec 14, 2013 7:46 pm

please elaborate on your post thats actually interesting.

kanyeknowsbest · Sat Dec 14, 2013 7:52 pm

okay so you are posting pure opinion. killer.

kanyeknowsbest · Sat Dec 14, 2013 8:02 pm

diont see how you think that td doctor implies tidus is town.

kanyeknowsbest · Sat Dec 14, 2013 8:06 pm

be a doll and point out where that happened cus i missed it.

kanyeknowsbest · Sat Dec 14, 2013 9:07 pm

pv do you think that scum dv is unlikely to buddy the fuck out of what he views as strong town (and difficult to lynch) players?

kanyeknowsbest · Sat Dec 14, 2013 9:09 pm

this is my first time seeing scum dv so thats an actual question. the only sample point i have is knowing that he buddied the fuck out of me but i dont know if its because of the scenario laid out in my previous post or that in addition w. the fact that i was scumreading him out of the gate?

i tried to get resident dv meta expert nachion mama to discuss dv w. me earlier and he was not very forthcoming

kanyeknowsbest · Sat Dec 14, 2013 9:10 pm

btw id again like to mention lynch fuicking nahco mma

kanyeknowsbest · Sun Dec 15, 2013 11:32 am

In post 6340, Titus wrote:God damn it. That analysis was wrong.

Agar, given that PV Levi and Beli all believe I am town, would that at least cause you to think about it? There's no logical way we are all scum together. I have been rethinking Kayne for the same reasons. I can't see any way he's town but we should at least listen to each other and have a rational dialogue.

how the fuck does this logic even work. you are implying that only scum would town read you if you were scum which is so...

kanyeknowsbest · Sun Dec 15, 2013 12:23 pm

please read the actual flips there is information in them.

kanyeknowsbest · Mon Dec 16, 2013 12:46 pm

td, what is your opinion on me jumping onto the titus wagon when you consider that i was strongly pushing his lynch the entirety of yesterday? was my vote on him bad then as well?

kanyeknowsbest · Mon Dec 16, 2013 12:54 pm

why do you think a scum dayvig is inconceivable? multiple players in this game w. far more experience at mafia than you have stated that its not an odd thing.

kanyeknowsbest · Mon Dec 16, 2013 12:54 pm

do you believe we are all scum and lying to you about this?

kanyeknowsbest · Mon Dec 16, 2013 12:56 pm

In post 6377, Titus wrote:I had one day kill. The rest are at night. I shot Talah. I have one more.

We already have one fake vig (Pie) claiming vig when not is suicidal.

ETL, I didn't push Kanye because PIE NEEDED TO DIE!

reminder that titus believed all game long that pie needed to be dead and never tried to shoot him. reminder that titus has been harping about dividing the town over the pie issue and presented herself as trying to mediate between the two sides and never tried to shoot him. reminder that titus is fucking scum and needs to die.

kanyeknowsbest · Mon Dec 16, 2013 12:57 pm

did everyone forget that titus spent pages and pages goin "lets compromise guys lets just make this work out lol im not trying to push any agenda here" when the entire time she had the power to just go "nope im forcing yall to get along" if she really wanted to.

kanyeknowsbest · Mon Dec 16, 2013 12:57 pm

can yiou see the disconnect between stated intent and actual intent here ? i hiope you can : ]

kanyeknowsbest · Mon Dec 16, 2013 1:01 pm

kanyeknowsbest · Mon Dec 16, 2013 1:09 pm

In post 6387, TiphaineDeath wrote:You both jumped the other one hard as soon as I voted for him, despite not being on him before i got here, but since we're not in multiball you can't both be scum.

I guess it's possible you're both well intentioned though misled townies, but I find it unlikely.

this is pretty bad logicv

kanyeknowsbest · Mon Dec 16, 2013 2:37 pm

In post 6400, Titus wrote:Agar, Kanyescum would have confirmed Pie was SK rather than vig to determine if Pie needed to be blocked.

Get your tunnel blinders off. Nati, unless she is scim, is a much bigger threat than Mr. Multiball. Majiffy's death suggests I am town. Scum don't shoot their allies when one is under major pressure.

Why would scum me claim the Talah shot? Thete's literally no scum motivation in doing so.

not sure that an sk and a vig differ in the eyes of scum at all, except that one is lynchable and the other is not?

kanyeknowsbest · Tue Dec 17, 2013 1:05 pm

tammy at least nacho has the decency to acknowledge that hes caught scum, we can clean him up tomorrow. titus on the other hand has been aggressively scummy and seriously needs to get lynched. can you reconcile what i pointed out in these posts

In post 6382, kanyeknowsbest wrote:
In post 6377, Titus wrote:I had one day kill. The rest are at night. I shot Talah. I have one more.

We already have one fake vig (Pie) claiming vig when not is suicidal.

ETL, I didn't push Kanye because PIE NEEDED TO DIE!
reminder that titus believed all game long that pie needed to be dead and never tried to shoot him. reminder that titus has been harping about dividing the town over the pie issue and presented herself as trying to mediate between the two sides and never tried to shoot him. reminder that titus is fucking scum and needs to die.

In post 6383, kanyeknowsbest wrote:did everyone forget that titus spent pages and pages goin "lets compromise guys lets just make this work out lol im not trying to push any agenda here" when the entire time she had the power to just go "nope im forcing yall to get along" if she really wanted to.

In post 6384, kanyeknowsbest wrote:can yiou see the disconnect between stated intent and actual intent here ? i hiope you can : ]

cus lijke that shit is as solid scum as it gets for me short of bungling a fakeclaim or outright claiming scum.

kanyeknowsbest · Tue Dec 17, 2013 1:06 pm

In post 6431, TiphaineDeath wrote:Goddammit titus, stop being so scummy when I think you're town :/.

can you explain to me the various reasons why you think titus is town that do not rely on "there has never been a scum dayvig in the history of all mafia games ever played in the world"

kanyeknowsbest · Wed Dec 18, 2013 5:28 am

In post 6453, Titus wrote:
In post 6452, TiphaineDeath wrote:Shouldn't kanye be dead if you're town since you're the vig and you scum read him?
No. I had three shots, including 1 dayvig. The dayvig was spent by the time I came in. I shot Talah after strongly hitting bc I figured she would win if scum bc no one would lynch her. The last had to be saved for Pie. He finally got lynched yesterday. Today, I ask about shooting Kanye and get lynchtrained.

why did the last have to be saved for pie? you already said you didnt want to use a shot on someone who was going to get lynched anyways. nothing you say has a consistent internal train of thought and its because yioure scum shootin from the hip~~~~

kanyeknowsbest · Wed Dec 18, 2013 5:52 am

diont really see you offering an explanation for how the disconnect between titus's varied stated intents and her actual actions dont make her scum.

kanyeknowsbest · Fri Dec 20, 2013 8:11 pm

what the fuck

kanyeknowsbest · Fri Dec 20, 2013 8:12 pm

lynionch titus. this is fucking stupid.

kanyeknowsbest · Fri Dec 20, 2013 8:12 pm

In post 6479, Natirasha wrote:So we're back to where we started. Ugh.

VOTE: Leviathan

I'm prepared to make the lylo run.

whjat the fuck is this

kanyeknowsbest · Fri Dec 20, 2013 8:12 pm

ioll take nachio as a backuplynch but SERIOUSLy leviathan over both nacho and titus? fuck off

kanyeknowsbest · Sun Dec 22, 2013 1:30 pm

In post 6488, Titus wrote:You have village idiot who tunnels me and has no other suspects/reads of note (Kanye)

In post 6489, Titus wrote:The above has the players in the best possible light.

Kanye is still a scumfuck but no one but me and you is willing to vote him.

am i a vi or a scumfuck titus? pls make up your mind, you cant just keep saying whichever is more convenient for you to paint me as in that post

kanyeknowsbest · Sun Dec 22, 2013 1:31 pm

VCAN WE please LYNCH TUITUS NOW ?

kanyeknowsbest · Sun Dec 22, 2013 4:05 pm

btw agar thinking theres the mafia team is only 3 people is real fuckin naive man.

kanyeknowsbest · Sun Dec 22, 2013 4:23 pm

oh : )

kanyeknowsbest · Sun Dec 22, 2013 6:18 pm

why arent you voting titus?

kanyeknowsbest · Sun Dec 22, 2013 6:37 pm

In post 6529, leviathan93 wrote:
In post 6526, kanyeknowsbest wrote:why arent you voting titus?
because if town is going to die as a lynch today, then I think it should be me. that's saying IF titus it town. If i'm just overthinking then I will definitely vote titus. i'm just not too sure yet.

hes not town m8.

kanyeknowsbest · Sun Dec 22, 2013 6:37 pm

In post 6531, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:VOTE: levi

knock this the fuck off m8.

kanyeknowsbest · Sun Dec 22, 2013 6:39 pm

someone please hammer titus i cant go another day dealing w. his insufferably bad scum posting TYVM.

kanyeknowsbest · Sun Dec 22, 2013 6:39 pm

In post 6536, leviathan93 wrote:
In post 6533, kanyeknowsbest wrote:
In post 6529, leviathan93 wrote:
In post 6526, kanyeknowsbest wrote:why arent you voting titus?
because if town is going to die as a lynch today, then I think it should be me. that's saying IF titus it town. If i'm just overthinking then I will definitely vote titus. i'm just not too sure yet.
hes not town m8.
if titus turns up town, then you really look bad in my eyes and my votes on you. i'm trusting you here.

thtats fine by me m8

kanyeknowsbest · Sun Dec 22, 2013 6:51 pm

In post 6540, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:and its reasonable to assume on of th neighbor is sucm.

no its not?

kanyeknowsbest · Sun Dec 22, 2013 6:57 pm

In post 6542, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:yes it is.

do you think that kdub is bad at making setups?

kanyeknowsbest · Sun Dec 22, 2013 6:59 pm

the idea that a mod would only put neighbors in a game if one of them was scum is bad.

kanyeknowsbest · Sun Dec 22, 2013 7:00 pm

In post 6547, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:everysingle game i have ever played on this sit that had neighbors

EVERY

SINGLE

ONE WITH NEIGHBORS

one of thm was scum. so go away with you bad argument kanye.

ah yes i bow down to your ~exhaustive~ mafia experience you are right there has never been a case where both neighbors are tonw, much less a large enough amount that neighbors are not seen as a stupid as fuck role.

kanyeknowsbest · Sun Dec 22, 2013 7:01 pm

you dont know fuck about setups if you genuinely believe that shit budyd. the whole role is balanced by the fact that the neighbors could be ~ANY~ alignment. it would be a pointless as fuck role that amounted to a guaranteed scumlynch for free if it was always 1 scum 1 town.

kanyeknowsbest · Sun Dec 22, 2013 7:02 pm

im fighting against you having terrible conceptions about mafia setups.

kanyeknowsbest · Sun Dec 22, 2013 7:02 pm

im fighting against you being a megafucker retard.

kanyeknowsbest · Sun Dec 22, 2013 7:03 pm

like i get that your bad at mafia etl. you have done fuck all thats productive this game. i can live with that. but i draw the line at you pushing terribly flawed setup spec.

kanyeknowsbest · Sun Dec 22, 2013 7:05 pm

ahahaha

kanyeknowsbest · Sun Dec 22, 2013 7:08 pm

holy fuck yes you even made a chart for all your dumb shitty games in your wiki page lmao

you are so fucking bad at everything

kanyeknowsbest · Sun Dec 22, 2013 7:16 pm

ahh, that was really mean of me. lmao

please understand, nmy point is that the nature of neighbors necessitates that there be a chance that either neighbor could be town or scum. if the role swings either way towards being more likely to be either pairing (1 town 1 scum, 2 town) then it basically becomes either a free guilty on a scum player or they become masons. the role only works if there is ambiguity between the alignment of the players. sure, you may have only seem 1 town 1 scum pairings before, but i assure you there are just as many games where they are both town. so what i want from you instead of saying "well im town so the other neighbor must be scum" is to actually think about the player in the neighbor slot and tell me why his intentions and actions are either scum motivated or town motivated.

and when i say that i want you to do that, i mean i want you to do that tomorrow because were lynching titus today. because hes fucking scum and needs to die right this goddamn second.

kanyeknowsbest · Sun Dec 22, 2013 7:26 pm

In post 6564, Titus wrote:Kanye, do you think I am a dude?

no but i find i often 4 get that when choosin gpronouns 4 u. dunno why

kanyeknowsbest · Sun Dec 22, 2013 7:28 pm

kanyeknowsbest · Sun Dec 22, 2013 7:28 pm

my reads are pretty sick.

kanyeknowsbest · Sun Dec 22, 2013 7:30 pm

for instance, i can guarantee 100% that if scum let me live to lylo then town will not lose this game.

kanyeknowsbest · Sun Dec 22, 2013 7:31 pm

believe youre not looking very hard if you dont know my stance on at least 4 other players in this game

kanyeknowsbest · Sun Dec 22, 2013 7:32 pm

also not sure what me using the wrong pronouns 4 u has to do w. my reads

kanyeknowsbest · Sun Dec 22, 2013 7:33 pm

i mean, i understand that at this point youre happy to desperately throw dirt wherever you can, but still. thats pretty beyond desperate

kanyeknowsbest · Sun Dec 22, 2013 7:34 pm

ha ha ha good one that does not in any way diminish my point ; - D

kanyeknowsbest · Sun Dec 22, 2013 7:35 pm

ne other funny jokes you got for us up there in the gallows?

kanyeknowsbest · Sun Dec 22, 2013 7:37 pm

what about me? im pretty sure ive been setting up a followup lynch to titus as well?

kanyeknowsbest · Sun Dec 22, 2013 7:37 pm

heck i even had a followup lynch for wake !!

kanyeknowsbest · Sun Dec 22, 2013 7:38 pm

cya l8r bud i honestly hope i dont have to read another one of your posts for a long time.

kanyeknowsbest · Sun Dec 22, 2013 8:47 pm

tammy pls think of the times ive steered you wrong (none) and all the times ive steered you right (always) and lynch titus right effing now !!

kanyeknowsbest · Mon Dec 23, 2013 9:51 am

In post 6594, Titus wrote:Wow. Someone came out of retirement to hammer me.

Levi, Nacho and Kanye are the scums, or are they?

Please don't take anything personally, especially you Kanye and Wake.

dont worry im not takin nething personally i just dont want to have to go through the ordeal of trying to convince people that you are scum when you are so obvious again netime soon.

kanyeknowsbest · Mon Dec 23, 2013 9:52 am

this game has been taxing.

kanyeknowsbest · Fri Dec 27, 2013 11:01 am

levi is probably town.

kanyeknowsbest · Fri Dec 27, 2013 11:02 am

In post 6605, Natirasha wrote:I actually think Nacho is actually town(?) here and Levi is scum.

not really seeing this even at all

kanyeknowsbest · Fri Dec 27, 2013 11:02 am

In post 6612, AGar wrote:
In post 6611, kanyeknowsbest wrote:levi is probably town.
kanye, don't go breakin' my heart.

sorry dude but its probably true :<

kanyeknowsbest · Fri Dec 27, 2013 11:03 am

vote nacho

kanyeknowsbest · Fri Dec 27, 2013 11:04 am

if ne1 got messages on n4 or n5 please speak up. dont identify the sender but do mention whether or not they identified themselves to you tyia

kanyeknowsbest · Fri Dec 27, 2013 11:09 am

btw etl is really not a bad vote either. he reaaaaally wanted to vote levi over titus for pretty much no good reason and i dont know that i really buy his misconceptions as a legitimate excuse ehre.

kanyeknowsbest · Fri Dec 27, 2013 2:33 pm

i thought it was because levi was scum?

kanyeknowsbest · Fri Dec 27, 2013 3:21 pm

yep. i was pretty unmoved by mine tho. whats your thoughts on it? did they tell you who they sent their past messages to?

kanyeknowsbest · Fri Dec 27, 2013 3:30 pm

mine claimed they were restarting their reads and starting fresh d4 gotta get our townblock in order, kanye tell me what you think of this townblock do you have any strong townreads you can take out from list of other players? and then d4 none of the feelings or sentiments implied in the message actually showed up in their play at all.

kanyeknowsbest · Fri Dec 27, 2013 3:31 pm

i am extremely :I about it.

kanyeknowsbest · Sat Dec 28, 2013 2:14 am

kanyeknowsbest · Sat Dec 28, 2013 2:15 am

conflicted on for once not having to spend the entire fucking day struggling to get my lynch. but mb it would have been nice to at least have 24 hours of day to work with before hammering?

kanyeknowsbest · Sat Dec 28, 2013 2:17 am

tomorrow pls knock off the "well sakura replacing was kiond of town" and actually read etl and reevaluate whether or not hes scum pls (hes scum.)

kanyeknowsbest · Sat Dec 28, 2013 2:19 am

pv is not a bad for 5th scum if theres 5, but thats a p lazy read and mostly built on his resistance to titus.

kanyeknowsbest · Sat Dec 28, 2013 2:23 am

In post 6653, NachoKoopa wrote:How do I always get quick lynched?

atleast you didnt get quicklynched the other days i wanted you lynched...

kanyeknowsbest · Sat Dec 28, 2013 2:23 am

...what could ahvebeen...

kanyeknowsbest · Sat Dec 28, 2013 2:28 am

In post 6662, NachoKoopa wrote:At least I don't have to read!

i kionda envy you

kanyeknowsbest · Sat Dec 28, 2013 2:29 am

In post 6663, Natirasha wrote:You're message last night was p good, Nacho.

mine wasnt.

how come u fucking half assed mine but actually put effort in2 it for nati.
what the ficuk man

kanyeknowsbest · Sat Dec 28, 2013 2:30 am

dunno. i think scums still in an alright spot if they have 2 left.

kanyeknowsbest · Sat Dec 28, 2013 2:31 am

In post 6668, NachoKoopa wrote:dude Tammy's was p fucking quality
I wrote it while drunk so I had my usual town passion

Kanye, I wrote yours on an iPad 20 minutes before deadline :'(

u fucker

kanyeknowsbest · Sat Dec 28, 2013 2:31 am

ill never fucking forget this

kanyeknowsbest · Sat Dec 28, 2013 2:34 am

that must have been the most depressing role pm youve had in awhile lmao

kanyeknowsbest · Wed Jan 01, 2014 1:44 pm

vote etl

kanyeknowsbest · Wed Jan 01, 2014 1:44 pm

thats some really poorly done wifom

kanyeknowsbest · Wed Jan 01, 2014 1:47 pm

theres only two reasons to kill levi at this point: to get etl lynched, or to try and wifom us out of an etl lynch. i made it clear yesterday that etl was todays lynch so we can toss out the first reason. huh gosh i wonder what that leaves us with.

kanyeknowsbest · Wed Jan 01, 2014 1:47 pm

tiphaine is prob the last scum

kanyeknowsbest · Wed Jan 01, 2014 1:47 pm

if etl flips scum then its tiphyopaine 100%

kanyeknowsbest · Wed Jan 01, 2014 1:49 pm

In post 6686, Natirasha wrote:Did Nacho double lie to me in the message, he put a lot of effort into proving kanye town and leviathan scum.

no duh he did. because he was trying to appeal hard as hell 2 u

kanyeknowsbest · Wed Jan 01, 2014 1:49 pm

no its a dumb question

kanyeknowsbest · Wed Jan 01, 2014 1:55 pm

heres why nati is town: his day 1 claim along w. the usage of his role was extremely town motivated. hes had some bad positions but most of its believably from a town perspective and motivation. the only flaw i can find in him being town was defaulting to leviathan after it looked like the titus lynch wouldnt go through until i yelled @ him.

kanyeknowsbest · Wed Jan 01, 2014 1:57 pm

im pretty much of the opinion that the leviathan nk is an attempt to make us shy away from an etl lynch and pave the way for a nati lynch. obviously if you have something to back up what youre hinting towards, i need to reevaluate my current beliefs but thats where im at right now short of any more information.

kanyeknowsbest · Wed Jan 01, 2014 2:05 pm

not opposed. believe we still have a missing night kill?

kanyeknowsbest · Wed Jan 01, 2014 2:11 pm

yah im actually super okay for massclaim.

kanyeknowsbest · Wed Jan 01, 2014 2:13 pm

yo you shouldnt clarify that shit right before we massclaim

kanyeknowsbest · Wed Jan 01, 2014 2:19 pm

i wanna hear full claims outa etl and beli. beli can go after agar but the order looks fine other than that.

kanyeknowsbest · Wed Jan 01, 2014 6:33 pm

surely you have n5 and n6 results as well tho?

kanyeknowsbest · Fri Jan 03, 2014 3:06 pm

beli is a good vote given the idea that im wrong about etl/td scumpair.

kanyeknowsbest · Fri Jan 03, 2014 3:08 pm

the idea that we should start lynching from a specific pool of players because maybe one of them should be scum because a character from the theme who is in no way guaranteed to be in the game but would make sense as scum has not flipped yet is all sorts of ????? we are ostensibly at 5:2 right now so even if we were so inclined to do that nonsense were not in a position to do so. this is the time for lynching solid A+ scumreads, not flavor goose chases.

kanyeknowsbest · Fri Jan 03, 2014 3:15 pm

i just made the biggest fucking sigh youve ever heard in your entire life

kanyeknowsbest · Fri Jan 03, 2014 3:20 pm

kanyeknowsbest · Fri Jan 03, 2014 3:28 pm

tippy i think that you are a pretty decent player and i think this is a reasonably decent plan that you could have come up with to try and shift momentum. i think you overdid it on asking for night analysis though so firmly though. i also think you are attempting to coach etl in your qt. this is the train of thought im having right now and im not sure what you can do to jar me from it. i will be waiting until massclaim is to really push anyhting however.

kanyeknowsbest · Fri Jan 03, 2014 3:38 pm

In post 6768, Natirasha wrote:Guess we wait for AGar to show up sometime then.

i didnt see pvs claim?

kanyeknowsbest · Fri Jan 03, 2014 3:38 pm

In post 6769, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:KANYE ffs.... I'm town so if she's scum, it's not with me. Just TRY THAT ON FOR SIZE FOR A SECOND and see where it gets you.

why are you struggling so hard to appeal to me when youre convinced for some weird fucked up reason that im scum?

kanyeknowsbest · Fri Jan 03, 2014 3:43 pm

not really cus im pretty sure i can force whatever lynch i want through today.

kanyeknowsbest · Sat Jan 04, 2014 8:40 am

In post 6786, Natirasha wrote:I actually agree with Beli here a lot, kanye.

It doesn't make him town or anything, but a 2/3 split of mobile suits on scum makes perfect sense.

(I actually read the TVtropes articles+Synopses on Gundam Seed last week so I think I got a good match on the flavor side of things)

the problem is that kdub has proven himself previously to be entirely capable of leaving an important character out that would make flavor sense. he goes very much out of his way to make his games unbreakable via flavor.

as for why have a gundam cop if it didnt matter for flavor? obviously to force honesty out of scum. its of particular interest to me that he didnt actually try to use his results in this way to garner a guilty.

kanyeknowsbest · Sat Jan 04, 2014 8:40 am

beli can you walk me through the reasoning on your target choices?

kanyeknowsbest · Sat Jan 04, 2014 9:24 am

why did you scan me then? i was under the impression that i was a strong town read for you since you reevaluated d1

kanyeknowsbest · Sat Jan 04, 2014 5:39 pm

but that means that n4 i was a player that you were highly uncertain of your read on, right?

kanyeknowsbest · Sun Jan 05, 2014 4:39 am

dodging.

kanyeknowsbest · Sun Jan 05, 2014 4:40 am

In post 6803, Belisarius wrote:You keep putting words in my mouth. I'd highly appreciate it if you'd stop that.

In post 6798, Belisarius wrote:I'm not trying to use investigations to get a guilty. I'm trying to use them to get an inno.

With the exception of Nati, I scanned the players I had the weakest reads on at the time. N6 I wanted to confirm Nati's claim and increase the chance of a functional inno.

dont see how im putting words in your mouth. im just trying to understand your reasoning at the time that you made these night actions but for some reason its been rather difficult for you to nail it down for me?

kanyeknowsbest · Sun Jan 05, 2014 7:53 am

beli all i want you to do for me, is to break down case by case why you targeted each player and what you were thinking at the time you submitted that choice.

kanyeknowsbest · Sun Jan 05, 2014 8:58 pm

why are you being difficult? idgi

kanyeknowsbest · Mon Jan 06, 2014 7:41 am

In post 6822, PeregrineV wrote:
In post 6742, Belisarius wrote:kanyeknowsbest - has a suit (investigation result)
Belisarius - does not have a suit
Yraelz AGar - has a suit (investigation result)
PeregrineV - has a suit (investigation result)
Kise Svenskt Stål StefanB TiphaineDeath - unknown (don't remember a claim, did not scan)
Sakura Hana EspeciallyTheLies - Miraillia Haw, has no suit (per claim, did not scan)
Natirasha - Lacus Clyne, has no suit (claim + investigation result confirms it)

Those who claim no suit are also claiming characters who did not pilot mobile suits in the series.

I believe ETL.

Based on the flips so far, it would be insane to believe Clotho is not in the game, so I'm not interested in lynching any non-pilots until Clotho is dead. The 3 flipped scum + Clotho + Rau = 5 anti-town players out of 21 initially, so I could believe that Clotho's flying solo right now.

I'll scan TD tonight; if I'm shot, it'll confirm all of my investigation results, so you'll be pretty well informed tomorrow. If I'm not, well, at least I'll know whether TD could be Clotho, but the rest of you have to consider the possibility I might be scum taking you for a ride.
Based on flavor crap, want to lynch Natrirasha. She has powers while having no suit, according to her, and so far all non-suited players who have flipped town have been VT.

Of course, same is said of Beli.

you didnt think about this very hard did you

kanyeknowsbest · Mon Jan 06, 2014 7:44 am

In post 6817, Belisarius wrote:
In post 6816, kanyeknowsbest wrote:why are you being difficult?
Have you ever been annoyed to the point of psychosis by a five year old that asks you the same question over and over and over again?

How about now?

Maybe now?

How about now?

Is it annoying yet, huh huh huh?

How about now?

i wouldnt have to repeat my question if youd answer simply answer it instead of giving non answers or answers that dont explain anything at all. i guess its really hard to answer a question from what is supposedly a big town read for you though !my bad buddy

kanyeknowsbest · Mon Jan 06, 2014 8:04 am

oh i guess its my turn huh.

im yzak joule. i pilot the duel gundam.

i have no standard abilities. i have the gundam ability "assault shroud." the first successful nightkill attempt on me will also kill my killer

remember when i told titus that a gunsmith being one shot meant that him being a "false postive" was unlikely? its cus im the false positive for the gunsmith.

kanyeknowsbest · Mon Jan 06, 2014 10:13 am

putting aside nacho, you have even more recently the leviathan flip. its very clear at this point that the only difference between suit/no suit is that suits show up positive to belis ability and are also role reveal upon death while no suits are no reveal.

kanyeknowsbest · Tue Jan 07, 2014 2:43 pm

?

most of what he just said is fairly accurate.

kanyeknowsbest · Wed Jan 08, 2014 2:16 pm

iirc earlier in the game we were dealing w. the shitstorm that was wake and company and all our other power roles claiming for no reason. at that point in time it wasnt worth going too far out of my way to eat the night kill and leave the town in uncertain hands. i actually wanted to eat it last night and was pretty confident that would happen. i was thinking it could happen tonight as well maybe at the beginning of this day (hence my initial waffling on massclaim) but im pretty sure at this point i wasnt going to be a nk target and id rather everyone have a full picture of the setup now. as for the possibility of being scum and coasting to lylo? i didnt need a claim that shirks nightkills to justify being in lylo after scum decided to kill fucking leviathan last night.

kanyeknowsbest · Wed Jan 08, 2014 3:19 pm

im not sure who i want to lynch atm im mulling somet hings over

kanyeknowsbest · Wed Jan 08, 2014 3:25 pm

talk to me about the sakura hana replace out and sell me on why that means the slot is 100% town

kanyeknowsbest · Wed Jan 08, 2014 7:59 pm

unvote

guess i can accept that

kanyeknowsbest · Sat Jan 11, 2014 10:47 pm

oh i think i got prodded.

kanyeknowsbest · Sat Jan 11, 2014 10:49 pm

im honestly not sure how i feel about doing up tiphaine right now. his pushing the nk wifom is certainly deeply in scum motivation territory, but his earnestness is gettin to me.

kanyeknowsbest · Sat Jan 11, 2014 11:13 pm

if i knew who i wanted to lynch itd b readily apparent

kanyeknowsbest · Sat Jan 11, 2014 11:15 pm

im gonna try and actually spend a little time thinking abt that 2morrow. check some isos

kanyeknowsbest · Mon Jan 13, 2014 10:04 am

agree agar is no good for a lynch. dont want to lynch pv right now either

kanyeknowsbest · Mon Jan 13, 2014 4:48 pm

In post 6937, Belisarius wrote:Nati can't be Clotho, he has no mobile suit.

whos scum, bud

kanyeknowsbest · Tue Jan 14, 2014 7:11 am

In post 6939, kanyeknowsbest wrote:
In post 6937, Belisarius wrote:Nati can't be Clotho, he has no mobile suit.
whos scum, bud

kanyeknowsbest · Tue Jan 14, 2014 11:52 am

vote beli

kanyeknowsbest · Tue Jan 14, 2014 1:25 pm

was that the ahmmer

kanyeknowsbest · Fri Jan 17, 2014 11:31 pm

i swear to god pv if i hadnt lynched you previously for horribly suboptimal night actions only to have you flip town....

kanyeknowsbest · Fri Jan 17, 2014 11:46 pm

hey agar how come you didnt say anything when people were speculating about nonconsecutive roles being scum roles?

kanyeknowsbest · Fri Jan 17, 2014 11:50 pm

In post 181, Belisarius wrote:
In post 155, pieguyn wrote:let's assume 5/21 mafia. then if we get 3 random people, the chance of all of them being town is (16/21) * (15/20) * (14/19) ~ 42.11%, meaning there's more than a 50% chance one out of a random group of 3 people is scum.
Quoth Thoreau, "Simplify, simplify"

The formula I've been seeing in use for determining number of scum in a nonmultiball game is scumCount = (int)(floor(playerCount / 4)), which comes to the same assumption of 5 scum, but with the simpler math, it means that one out of every
four
players is scum; a bloc of three in isolation means nothing.

If you want to try to use statistics to scumhunt, name your fourth. But really, don't use statistics to scumhunt, because that analysis means precisely bugger if this is multiball or there's a SK.

Flavour-wise, either multiball (Federation/Orb/Three Ships, ZAFT/PLANT, Blue Cosmos) or SK (Rau Le Creuset) makes sense, and if either of those are in play, then 5/21 scum is a shit assumption to make.

I think it's pretty likely this is multifaction based on my role PM.

hey beliruse can you explain what in your role pm made you think multifaction way back when?

kanyeknowsbest · Sat Jan 18, 2014 3:44 pm

what are your general thoughts at this point agar? whios scum?

kanyeknowsbest · Sun Jan 19, 2014 3:16 pm

what does your flip have to do w. etls alignment

kanyeknowsbest · Sun Jan 19, 2014 3:17 pm

also believe that assuming 1 scum left is a fools errand when you line up and look at exactly how much townpower we had available to us

kanyeknowsbest · Sun Jan 19, 2014 5:40 pm

interesting.

kanyeknowsbest · Sun Jan 19, 2014 5:41 pm

In post 6989, Belisarius wrote:Because 1 scum left means it's Clotho, and my flip will prove that ETL isn't Clotho.

i still dont agree with this. there is no guarantee clotho is in the setup.

kanyeknowsbest · Sun Jan 19, 2014 5:50 pm

like you die and flip town?

kanyeknowsbest · Sun Jan 19, 2014 5:56 pm

thats honestly a bridge ill cross tomorrow and i dont want to give scum a hint on who to kill tonight.

kanyeknowsbest · Mon Jan 20, 2014 4:02 pm

no quickhammer yet . . .

kanyeknowsbest · Mon Jan 20, 2014 4:02 pm

that means either 1 of etl/agar are scum or theres only 1 scum left.

kanyeknowsbest · Mon Jan 20, 2014 4:03 pm

i was leaning agar scum so that still fits in w. my worldview

kanyeknowsbest · Wed Jan 22, 2014 3:15 pm

In post 6821, PeregrineV wrote:I was hoping to get more from it, but it's probably not going to be possible.

Name:
Cagalli Yula Athha

Suit:
Strike Rouge Gundam

Abilities:
Salvage- I can target a dead player who wears a suit and I might get something from them.

n1: Salvage Mastin- Nothing
n2: Salvage EmpKing (JK)
n3: JK Natirasha
n4: Salvage talah (Gunsmith)
n5: Gunsmith Nacho (yes, he can kill)
n6: Salvage pieguyn (II)

To have any useful results, I'd have to successfully salvage tonight, then use then n8. I now think that is less likely to happen if Levi was the best scum kill choice.

In post 6607, PeregrineV wrote:
In post 6605, Natirasha wrote:I actually think Nacho is actually town(?) here and Levi is scum.
My starting vote will be for

Vote: EspeciallytheLies

until I iso Titus.

ne1 notice something off here?

kanyeknowsbest · Wed Jan 22, 2014 3:16 pm

vote pv

kanyeknowsbest · Wed Jan 22, 2014 3:47 pm

thje first quote is pvs claim on d7... the 2nd post is his first post on d6. now take a look @ what he claims to have done on n5.

kanyeknowsbest · Wed Jan 22, 2014 3:51 pm

were still looking at 2 scum probably. pvs probably not lieing about his role or jailkeeping nati n4 which leaves us with an errant roleblocker still

kanyeknowsbest · Thu Jan 23, 2014 10:16 am

no quickhammer yet. either the team is pv + 1 of etl/agar or theres only one scum (pv)

kanyeknowsbest · Thu Jan 23, 2014 9:13 pm

thtas pretty silly

kanyeknowsbest · Fri Jan 24, 2014 10:23 am

hey i just wanna remind you that your fakeclaim was nonconsec commuter, not hider.

kanyeknowsbest · Fri Jan 24, 2014 10:29 am

In post 7038, PeregrineV wrote:
In post 7031, kanyeknowsbest wrote:no quickhammer yet. either the team is pv + 1 of etl/agar or theres only one scum (pv)
Interestingly enough, the same logic works where you are the last scum.

The quickest way to see this is to compare your play this game.

For example, you came up with a reason to vote me. It uses some wrong assumptions, and reaches the wrong conclusion, but it shows a level of effort and logical thinking on your part that, frankly, was surprising.

Granted, I have to go back and ISO your posts, but unless I'm mistaken, this is the first case you've made this game in over 551 posts.

I'll have to see why this burst of trying on your part.

for future ref this post is really bad. you shouldnt make a post like this

kanyeknowsbest · Fri Jan 24, 2014 10:34 pm

how come none of this posts on this page from belisaruious or agar contain either a vote on pv or reasoning why they disagree that he made an egregious scumslip ?

kanyeknowsbest · Fri Jan 24, 2014 10:35 pm

how come their posts instead are just trying to talk about how a pair of scum with daytalk and a whole bunch of hours on their hands cant manage 2 vote? shjit that really doesnt fuckin matter ?

kanyeknowsbest · Fri Jan 24, 2014 10:36 pm

can we not stall this out until deadline

kanyeknowsbest · Sat Jan 25, 2014 1:39 pm

this isnt a question of hasty decisions, this is a matter of pointlessly stalling the game for no fucking reason

kanyeknowsbest · Sat Jan 25, 2014 1:41 pm

agar is convinced this isnt lylo but is terrified of placing a vote. belaruse refuses to post basically fucking anything. pv is confscum. etl isnt gonna move her vote unless we make her.

gosh what a dope lylo yall

kanyeknowsbest · Sat Jan 25, 2014 1:43 pm

In post 7042, kanyeknowsbest wrote:how come none of this posts on this page from belisaruious or agar contain either a vote on pv or reasoning why they disagree that he made an egregious scumslip ?

In post 7045, Belisarius wrote:It is lylo. Lylo is not the time for hasty decisions.

you are continuing to dodge what matters because youre fucking terrified of thinking critically about this game, a trend that has continued since very early and manifested in your "durr lets try and flavor break a game by a mod who is notorious for preventing shit like that"

kanyeknowsbest · Sun Jan 26, 2014 11:20 am

In post 7056, AGar wrote:Literally, you've tried to paint every single person alive as scum at one point since daybreak.

believe i have tried to paint exactly two out of the five people alive as scummy; the number of scum i believe are left.

also not sure why youre asking me why i havent voted when i clearly have.

kanyeknowsbest · Sun Jan 26, 2014 11:21 am

but tell me agar, do you think that professing to have a guilty on someone and then voting elsewhere and making no indication whatsoever of having that guilty until days later is something a player with the town win condition would do?

kanyeknowsbest · Sun Jan 26, 2014 2:07 pm

i dont see whats difficult for you to understand. i think pv is scum and i think you are scum. im voting pv because my shit on him is more concrete.

kanyeknowsbest · Sun Jan 26, 2014 2:07 pm

but continue to dodge legitimate questions and be mad as hell that youre fucked

kanyeknowsbest · Mon Jan 27, 2014 4:05 pm

In post 7053, Kdub wrote:
Deadline: (expired on 2014-01-31 22:58:20)

\

someone tell me why im wrong about pv. Please.

kanyeknowsbest · Sat Feb 01, 2014 1:52 pm

dangit pv. why do you have to always play prs so scummy

kanyeknowsbest · Sat Feb 01, 2014 1:53 pm

kay so this seems pretty clearcut to me but im gonna pretend to have an open mind and listen to what yall got 2 say

kanyeknowsbest · Sun Feb 02, 2014 7:02 pm

In post 7080, AGar wrote:No I don't think so.

Kanye, let's cut the tango out of this. You claim to think I'm scum. I'm damn near sure you're scum. I think there's no way in hell that Beli could scum. If you have any opinions otherwise, please share them, because I'd love to see that, but otherwise, let's just get everything out there.

V/LA until Tuesday

This kinda fell on a shitty 72 hour stretch and I really can't put the time forth here.

im just approachin this w. an open mind kiddo. but why the bravado w.o. a vote to back it up?

kanyeknowsbest · Sun Feb 02, 2014 7:03 pm

beli ill kill whoever id like tyvm. but please do tell me what aspects of agars iso do you like

kanyeknowsbest · Tue Feb 04, 2014 4:54 pm

beli, why do you think that as scum i would make up a claim to prevent being nightkilled when i could just claim vt or a 1shot that i had already used to no great effect? it would not be odd for me to survive to lylo with pv, nati and etl all being higher priority kills. plus then scum can even pull the "well why isnt kanye dead" bull shit in lylo

kanyeknowsbest · Wed Feb 05, 2014 2:25 am

when? n1 when they didnt have a shot? n2 when i was more useful alive to keep the pieguy argument going and talah the dangerous pr needed shooting? n3 again while talah needed shooting? n4+ you have tammy me and natirasha who all fit the bill of being heavily townread. beyond that you have pv who yes, was a high priority kill if only because he was the remaining pr that could be of any use. i did not need to claim a goddamn thing to justify being in lylo.

kanyeknowsbest · Thu Feb 06, 2014 6:46 pm

thats about what i expected

kanyeknowsbest · Thu Feb 06, 2014 6:48 pm

what are your thoughts here beli. i dont wanna have to put a lot of effort into this lylo if i dont have to

kanyeknowsbest · Fri Feb 07, 2014 6:31 am

will it blow your mind postgame when you realize i also wanted agar dead d1?

kanyeknowsbest · Fri Feb 07, 2014 6:31 am

but yeah if you want to hammer me for pushing scum all game, by all means m8

kanyeknowsbest · Fri Feb 07, 2014 6:51 am

or ive just been very on point this game when not distracted by wayne/wake sk shenanigans. except for the pv lynch but i still stand by that. i hope that one of these days pv will present a list of night actions that wont make me want to lynch the fuck out of him

kanyeknowsbest · Fri Feb 07, 2014 7:20 am

because they literally did not have a chance to shoot me before i claimed pgo

kanyeknowsbest · Fri Feb 07, 2014 7:21 am

the one time they could have shot me they had to choose between me and basically conftown tammy. i dont think it unbelievable to think that scum chose tammy over me.

kanyeknowsbest · Fri Feb 07, 2014 8:04 am

drd was to prevent a no lynch. you may recall that i was trying to swing the no lynch towards dv. d4 i wasnt getting any traction on titus and pie had to be lynched by d5 so i acquiesced.

kanyeknowsbest · Fri Feb 07, 2014 10:44 am

still town

kanyeknowsbest · Fri Feb 07, 2014 10:44 am

did you just hand the game to agar or were you secretly scum fucking w. us this entire time?

kanyeknowsbest · Fri Feb 07, 2014 10:45 am

In post 7091, AGar wrote:
In post 7084, kanyeknowsbest wrote: im just approachin this w. an open mind kiddo. but why the bravado w.o. a vote to back it up?
You mean other than it's LYLO? That's been drilled into me since day 1 of being on MS - you don't vote in LYLO until discourse has been had unless you have something damning like a guilty or a positive track.

Dude, Thesp was my first IC. I took that guys word as gospel from that game, and held onto a lot of what he taught.

In post 7082, Belisarius wrote: AGar, imagine the game's over and I've flipped scum, then go over my ISO and tell me everything you wish you'd noticed.
- The no lynch to dodge RVS.
- Calling Kalimar town for voting you for voting for no lynch.
- Ignoring how impossible it was to get a handle on you early game.
- Your McClish IIoA.
- You applying your meta to other players to justify a vote.

Aaaaand that's all that really jumps out to me. You could be a smart enough player to use your role in a manner that distinctly was in a disadvantageous position to your team (I mentioned the part about offering yourself up to chain a lynch, and especially as the last remaining scum, that'd be a hell of a gambit to ride on), but it just seems way too risky when there were other possible scenarios to play from your perspective.

In post 7087, kanyeknowsbest wrote:beli, why do you think that as scum i would make up a claim to prevent being nightkilled when i could just claim vt or a 1shot that i had already used to no great effect? it would not be odd for me to survive to lylo with pv, nati and etl all being higher priority kills. plus then scum can even pull the "well why isnt kanye dead" bull shit in lylo
Your claim came at a time when ETL being a priority kill wasn't a thing as Beli hadn't provided the claim to clear. PV wasn't a priority kill - he was lynched, scum called him lynchbait, and his claim required him spending a night of essential non-action, meaning a non-threat to scum. Your claim came at a time when you still were being townread by multiple people, and looked entirely like a long-term play to ensure you had a reason to be alive in the endgame over players who weren't being townread as strongly as you were before any claims and clears came out on the board.

VOTE: Kanye

I'm set here.

did you even read this post? what a fucking joke

kanyeknowsbest · Fri Feb 07, 2014 10:45 am

durrr lets lynch the guy whos been right about all the scum all game long. at least you didnt fake a guilty to do it i guess

kanyeknowsbest · Fri Feb 07, 2014 10:49 am

btw no i couldnt have had titus. did you not see how much resistance there was to her even a day later? there was no chance titus was lynched d4

kanyeknowsbest · Fri Feb 07, 2014 10:50 am

im honestly happy that scum fucking win because this has been the worst goddamn town ive seen in a long ass time. we deserve this fucking loss so much

kanyeknowsbest · Fri Feb 07, 2014 11:41 am

im not fucking w. you

kanyeknowsbest · Fri Feb 07, 2014 11:48 am

how does it feel agar

kanyeknowsbest · Fri Feb 07, 2014 11:51 am

which slip?

kanyeknowsbest · Fri Feb 07, 2014 11:51 am

i musta missed that

kanyeknowsbest · Fri Feb 07, 2014 11:53 am

oh haha. yeaah. i woulda lynched you right then and there if i wasnt convinced that it was 5 scum

kanyeknowsbest · Fri Feb 07, 2014 11:53 am

hey, you guys remember this post?

In post 6571, kanyeknowsbest wrote:for instance, i can guarantee 100% that if scum let me live to lylo then town will not lose this game.

kanyeknowsbest · Fri Feb 07, 2014 11:54 am

i just want you to know agar that i dont think there was anything you could have posted today to save the game

kanyeknowsbest · Fri Feb 07, 2014 12:01 pm

i lied about my role btw. you actually could have killed me : ]

kanyeknowsbest · Fri Feb 07, 2014 12:02 pm

i wouldnt have risked it in your position either tho

kanyeknowsbest · Fri Feb 07, 2014 1:56 pm

beli you can at least say you were right about clotho : ]

kanyeknowsbest · Fri Feb 07, 2014 2:00 pm

In post 7135, Tammy wrote:Yay good job kanye!

Also, I think I died saving you!

oh yah i dunno why it never occurred to me that this was likely

kanyeknowsbest · Fri Feb 07, 2014 2:01 pm

btw beli dont blame yourself 2much, i spent a lot of this game setting myself up to look lynchable in lylo JUst in Case i hadnt worked out who the last scum was yet

kanyeknowsbest · Fri Feb 07, 2014 2:21 pm

etl i was a little unnecessarily mean 2 you while trying 2 lynch titus and i just want you 2 know i got nothing personal against you i was just Really frustrated. im sorry !

kanyeknowsbest · Fri Feb 07, 2014 2:23 pm

kanyeknowsbest · Fri Feb 07, 2014 2:57 pm

lmao the dead qt is so fuckin sick

kanyeknowsbest · Fri Feb 07, 2014 3:00 pm

In post 7150, AGar wrote:I regret nothing about the post game banter, Beli's reaction at the end sealed my fate for a vengekill.

WP Kanye.

yah the vengekill is what i was referring to when i said that there wasnt anything you could have posted or not posted to save the game.