Mobile Suit Gundam SEED Mafia - Game Over

Titus · Sun Nov 24, 2013 4:24 pm

In post 5801, Belisarius wrote:People bitched about Wayne because they don't like him. I did not see anything I would have taken seriously as a vig looking to further my wincon.

He's not a vig. He's a serial killer.

Nati, I do apologize for that. My thoughts got seriously garbled.

Titus · Tue Nov 26, 2013 3:36 am

Nati, who is that to? Also are you on V/LA?

Stefan, the deal wasn't shoot who people say. The deal was shoot scum. Scum can make a ruckus over playstyle. Pie missed and shot town. We just do not have the bodies to spare for oopsies, especially if there are 4 to 6 scum which seems to be right for a nonmultiball game this size. If Majiffy is right on multiball, then we need to flip Pie fast to get confirmation of faction 2.

Titus · Tue Nov 26, 2013 4:09 am

ETL, what are you doing? We can get Levi tomorrow. Levi is being opportunistic. I am already at L minus two where scum can quickhammer if they are not on the wagon already. The Pie wagon needs to counter. Look at the wagon. Lurker central plus Pie. Well Nati isn't lurker central but she will be for awhile.

Titus · Tue Nov 26, 2013 2:14 pm

@Pyro, I do feel that jump off of Pie onto Levi was suspicious. I does come with a hint of self-preservation but it doesn't make sense to jump off a wagon (Pie) you felt really needed to be lynched when someone you read as town was equally wagoned. Sakura was pretty town until she pushed a Wake policy lynch. Furthermore, it fits with my one scum one town per "partner" theory. Unfortunately, that theory may be wrong because it would mean Maijffy scum and I really don't see Majiffy scum.

Titus · Tue Nov 26, 2013 2:15 pm

Forgot my VLA announcement

VLA December 2-4, December 9-11

Titus · Tue Nov 26, 2013 3:46 pm

Oh lord no. Not more toxic attitudes.

Titus · Tue Nov 26, 2013 3:48 pm

^^^ That wasn't directed at any particular player.

Really, can we not make this personal and pretend like y'all DON'T know each other?

Titus · Tue Nov 26, 2013 4:26 pm

Majiffy, all of this makes me wonder whether there's a scum role that requires people to personally attack each other. [/sarcasm]

Can we all just get along, lynch the SK, and scumhunt? Is that really too much to ask?

Titus · Tue Nov 26, 2013 4:55 pm

Majiffy, let's suppose for a minute that lynching the SK is futile... hell all the people but you consistently and strongly advocating that lynch were acting like jerks. Shouldn't the next best move be to lynch the scummiest person actually advocating to protect Pie?

Titus · Tue Nov 26, 2013 5:32 pm

Then let's try to find out who is a moron and who is scum while keeping our votes on Pie in the meantime. After all, the goal is to catch scum.

Titus · Tue Nov 26, 2013 5:50 pm

My god. Must get away from keyboard. Lots of personal attacks. Little scumhunting.

Pyro/Pie please respond to Majiffy's wagon analysis. I also think Majiffy should keep his chart but for factionscum with Pie. That's ludicrious as there aren't enough kills for that. His player reads appear to be pretty accurate but for PV.

Titus · Tue Nov 26, 2013 5:51 pm

Agar, now that you're here, you should respond to that too.

Titus · Wed Nov 27, 2013 4:22 am

Pie is at L minus 1 everyone! Just one more vote.

Titus · Wed Nov 27, 2013 4:57 am

In post 5938, StefanB wrote:Well hamering will perhaps make the game helpful.
I bet that Pie will flip SK, but even I don't care anymore.
I will hammer in 2 hours, if there is not somethink helpful before that.

It is comments like this that make it where I cannot 100% rule out Pie Factionscum. I do feel Jiffy is wrong in that regard but I can see where he comes from.

Titus · Wed Nov 27, 2013 5:40 am

Stefan, self-preservation comes from both town and scum. Look at the reason for the self-preservation. I am the only one who can shoot persuasive scum that cannot get lynched. If Pie doesn't get lynched, I need to be here to ensure Pie dies to keep the bodycount low.

Your post also has hints of self-preservation. Usually town don't react so violently to my paranoia especially when ot is hedged. If Pie isn't factionscum, my comment is worthless.

Titus · Wed Nov 27, 2013 7:17 am

Pie is lynched. Omfg yes!

Titus · Wed Nov 27, 2013 9:31 am

What the fuck is this?

Titus · Mon Dec 02, 2013 4:00 pm

In post 5763, Majiffy wrote:
In post 5762, Kdub wrote:
pieguyn (3)
-
Titus
,
Belisarius
, Majiffy

NachoKoopa (3)
- StefanB, Pyrotechnics, EspeciallyTheLies

Natirasha (1)
-
PeregrineV

Titus (4)
-
pieguyn
,
kanyeknowsbest
, NachoKoopa,
Natirasha

Not voting (2)
-
AGar
,
leviathan93
Bolded underlined: Confirmed Scum
Bolded: Heavily suspected scum
Italicized: Town lean
Italicized underlined: One of ({IU} = scum) IF (Pie = Factional Scum)

Rest I don't have much of a read on.

This is Majiffy's last readwall. Majiffy was obviously wrong about multiball, so if Majiffy was right about something and that's why he was shot, I'd start looking at his unpopular reads and one of those might be right.

Following on that vein, I'm going to reread focusing on PV to see if my town read on him is accurate.

Titus · Tue Dec 03, 2013 6:30 pm

Nati, you're a roleblocker and admit to rbing the bg? And this only gets a Heh out of Pyro. Levi wants to kill himself?

Kanye's naked voting...

Wtf, I go vla and this is nuts.

Titus · Tue Dec 03, 2013 6:34 pm

VOTE: Levi

If you are hellbent on dying, I hope I am reading you right when I ask you to shoot scum.

Sorry Nati, little sleep and limited time contributed to that. That obviously changes things need to reread that tomorrow.

Titus · Wed Dec 04, 2013 3:46 pm

Nacho, why the naked vote? Why did you put levi at L-1?

Levi, what the fuck was the point of that stunt?

Nati, I agree with your use as town. However, your claim is very powerful fake claim if you're scum.

Pyro, why are you so quiet? Why were you thinking about what Majiffy said when he's in the middle of calling you scum? At best, you should be thinking majiffy was an idiot.

Titus · Wed Dec 04, 2013 4:09 pm

Why Nacho over Levi Nati?

Levi seems to be conducting stunts rather than scumhunting. Nacho is a freaking lurksack but he seems more useful than Levi.

Titus · Wed Dec 04, 2013 4:14 pm

In post 5997, Natirasha wrote:
In post 5995, Titus wrote:Why Nacho over Levi Nati?
I find Levi's wagon composition very suspect.

Elaborate.

Ugh, a self-vouch from Nacho. Ew.

Titus · Wed Dec 04, 2013 4:40 pm

In post 6002, Hannibal wrote:See your answer seems to me to think that you always thought Majiffy was town despite all of his behavior. I'd expect more anger and aggression from your slot. An accusation that MAjiffy was scum. A reaction to his call for sheeping. Now, your whole thought process seems to be you always thought Majiffy town. You know who is afraid to scumread claimed PRs... scum.

Maybe you were the unpopular read Majiffy was right about.

God dang it.

Titus · Wed Dec 04, 2013 4:48 pm

Nice try. It sounds like you had knowledge Majiffy was town prior to the start of the game. You're handwaiving my concern.

Pyro... what a wierd thing to say about shooting you. If you're scum, it will just cause me to waste my shot as I bet I'd be roleblocked. If you're town, scum would just let me shoot you. Or for bonus points, they could block me and then get you lynched. Then when you flip town lynch me. Bad bad bad thinking all the way around. You'd be a horrible shot, regardless of alignment. That is unless you happen to be the scum roleblocker but I doubt you'd be so brazen if you were the roleblocker.

Titus · Wed Dec 04, 2013 5:52 pm

Of course, here comes the tunneler. Funny how Kayne says the scums are pretty much all the people it's popular to say are scum.

I do agree with the read on Nacho, Nati. His play seems off at best.

Nati, I severely question your town read on kanye. ETL and Beli are almost certainly town though.

Titus · Wed Dec 04, 2013 5:58 pm

Kayne hasn't done jack all game. I don't know why you read him as town at all. He may agree with you but that's because you've been pushing the popular wagon.

Titus · Wed Dec 04, 2013 6:39 pm

In post 6026, Natirasha wrote:
In post 6025, Titus wrote:Kayne hasn't done jack all game. I don't know why you read him as town at all. He may agree with you but that's because you've been pushing the popular wagon.
He hasn't? He was pushing for me to look at DeasVail since day one, was deigning to actually try hunting in midst the SK business, etc.

He mentioned a scum and I didn't see much scumhunting from him during the SK business. Rather, he piled on wagons people were suggesting. It's a nice method for looking rosy no matter who winds up lynched. He hasn't actually pushed an original theory. DV was mostly pushed by Majiffy.

Titus · Wed Dec 04, 2013 6:40 pm

In post 6029, Pyrotechnics wrote:
In post 6019, kanyeknowsbest wrote:possibly, but we have a decent amnt of town power and as i mentioned before, last time i saw a pr heavy town in a kdub game scum numbers were p thick (18-5-5 iirc)
I hope there's not four left. Do you really think town is so powered when most everyone is one-shot?

If there is four, then we need to get input from everyone.

Also, if there's four, there's almost no way Levi is town because he would almost certainly be hammered here.

Titus · Wed Dec 04, 2013 6:51 pm

Given the personalities of those two, I'd say one of them had a sudden VLA crisis and the other is scum with Levi (if there's a four person scum team). I find four left alive to be unlikely. I don't like that two suddenly active players have been vamoose without a VLA.

Titus · Wed Dec 04, 2013 6:52 pm

Of course, I find it equally unlikely, due to chance, that both are scum or both are town. Blah. I'm doing the rabbit hole thing again.

Titus · Wed Dec 04, 2013 7:07 pm

Digging back out of the rabbit hole... I find it much more likely with three scum rather than four. The town having a lot of power dispersed makes sense because the scum role we've seen appears to be that way. The only player (besides Natirasha and Pyro) who can act everyday is the SK. Balance suggests that there's a three man scum team.

Supposing a three man scum team, I'd look among the people who haven't been contributing today. While I cannot trust Nati and Pyro completely, I still feel they are likely almost overwhelmingly town. There's that nagging voice that says don't trust them but their play strongly suggests town and their value suggests town. My gut says Kanye, Levi, PV OR Nati Or Pyro, Nacho, Beli, Agar, Stefan is likely the scum pool. PV's included due to the Majiffy shot. I like PV as town, but I cannot see a reason to kill Majiffy is PV, Nati and Pyro were all town.

Titus · Wed Dec 04, 2013 7:24 pm

I don't scramble. Don't discredit with adhominem. What constituted a push? The biggest move you did was causing this drama by giving Pie a promise not to lynch him. You've been a big ass active lurker in my book.

Titus · Wed Dec 04, 2013 8:27 pm

Nice question dodge rolled in with a discredit. What did you do that constituted a push on DV before Majiffy pushed DV?

Titus · Thu Dec 05, 2013 6:16 am

In post 999, leviathan93 wrote:oh and I'm Tolle Koenig, my mobile suit has no abilities. =/

I am not sure what Beli's post is but it lead me to this gem.

Mobile suits without abilities seem to be vts. However, ETL and Levi are neighbors, which suggests no suit is inappropriate.

ETL, has Levi said anything of note since you replaced in.

Titus · Thu Dec 05, 2013 7:44 am

Why is it wrong?

Etl, why did the conversation stop? Levi, if townreading you, should want to bounce ideas like his self-lynch off of you.

Titus · Thu Dec 05, 2013 8:08 am

That doesn't make sense either. If Levi is townreading ETL and his townread scumreads him, he should be trying to show you errors or behaving in a more open manner and being constitent. Shutting down is not good.

If Levi was scumreading ETL, stopping talking makes sense. Stupid but still makes sense. I don't see early game scumread on ETL from Levi though.

Ok, I doubt two scum neighbors. Blah, that seemed obvious suit was a PR equivalent.

Titus · Fri Dec 06, 2013 5:09 am

In post 6057, Pyrotechnics wrote:Belisarius - How do you know we have PRs without a suit? Have you received some communication that leads you to believe that? Or are you guessing?

Etl and Levi have claimed neighbors and suitless. ETL, claimed vt which is wierd with this interpretation. But if you believe ETL, non vts can exist without suits.

Titus · Fri Dec 06, 2013 6:19 am

ETL, if you are a VT. Then Levi's suit has a power, daychat. Either he is confused or lying.

Nati, I did. Beli would not have had that post when posting above. So I didn't factor it.

Titus · Fri Dec 06, 2013 6:37 am

Just checked my role PM. My abilities are linked to my suit.

My paranoia sense is tingling. Why separate the two unless we have roleblockers that block just suits or people who can steal suits.

Titus · Fri Dec 06, 2013 7:47 pm

In post 6086, leviathan93 wrote:
In post 6074, PeregrineV wrote:Based on Especially's posts about the neighborhood, Levi a definitely better lynch now than before.
agreed. lynch me.

If you want to be lynched, I'll vote park here.

Now, that no less than three of you have explained why my setup spec was wrong, I'll acknowledge that.

Suicidal man needs to die though.

Titus · Sat Dec 07, 2013 9:41 am

In post 6093, NachoKoopa wrote:
In post 6009, Pyrotechnics wrote:Actually Nacho, I would help you lynch Titus now, but you're scum
You could help me lynch Titus despite your incorrect beliefs, you know.

You could, you know, make a case. Considering you ignored me during the entire beginning of the game, this reeks of desperation. Your vote on Levi, although in the right spot, reeks of a desperation bus meaning your role is likely more valuable than Levi if you are both scum.

Titus · Mon Dec 09, 2013 7:39 pm

Mod: I should be on vla through Wednesday.

Etl, I haven't read, what is your reason for that vote. It's literally staring me in the face and I don't like naked votes.

Titus · Wed Dec 11, 2013 3:16 am

In post 6126, AGar wrote:VOTE: Titus

Now that we know that Pie-SK was truefax, Titus' claim plus the missing scumkills seem too fucking weird to me.

D1 he kills during the day, N1 only one kill comes through.
N2 Pie shoots DV, no scumkill goes through (Pyro claims to eat a shot N2 though), no claim from Titus
N3 Pie shoots Wayne, Titus claims to kill Talah (Pyro is also conveniently blocked this night)
N4 Majiffy is shot. Titus claims no shot.

There's an awkward symmetry there that I don't like. Throw in Titus' awful justification for the Talah shot and general behavior and I'm completely high on this lynch.

Funny how you keep silent at until now, when Levi and Nacho have votes on them.

You claim my justification was weak, why not attack me then?

Beli, if you have role related information that suggests one of the two major trains is not scum, you should reveal it. Getting into gridlock again serves no one.

Can anyone give me a decent reason for town kanye? When he goes to the mat to save the SK?

My justifications were fine. Everyone had a good idea of who I would shoot before shooting them.

As for you Nati, why were you purporting to know why ETL changed trains when his vote was naked?

Titus · Wed Dec 11, 2013 12:03 pm

It is not just the fact he defended the SK, but how he did it and he fueled the division amongst the group. I am not asking for even evidence to prove Kanye town. His actions seemed solely to serve scum. Get the SK to out and then defend him effectively ups the kpn to 2 per night, before my vig shots. He wasn't leading the charge on leashing. I don't see any reason to keep Kayne. Yet, he will be hard to lynch. Perfect vig.

Titus · Wed Dec 11, 2013 3:07 pm

In post 6141, Natirasha wrote:I legit don't know what you're going on about.

I will try again. Kanye convinces SKPie to reveal. Rallies against a lynch of the sk and causes drama with those attempting to lynch Pie (Majiffy).Basically, Kanye's play has mirrored that of a scumbuddy. His votes from my recollection. He only voted Pie when it was clear no other lynch happened. Now, he isn't giving content. If no one gives me a reason he is town I will vig him.

Why can't you just tell me why Kanye is a townread?
Why compromise when your wagon is leading?

Your wagon group sucks.

Titus · Wed Dec 11, 2013 3:51 pm

Nati, only one. I plan on using it tonight. While Kanye cannot be a scumbuddy with Pie, keeping Pie alive benefits town.

Beli, go on. I don't know where you are coming from, but you at least seem to be trying.

The wagon sucks not for who is on it but for the reasoning. I do suspect one of Pyro/Nati as scum. The Levi wagon has one scumread (Nacho) but better reasoning.

Titus · Wed Dec 11, 2013 3:51 pm

*doesn't benefit town. The drama that he helped foster wasn't beneficial either.

Titus · Wed Dec 11, 2013 3:53 pm

No Nati, you stuck to your guns and drew attention. That's not cumbuddy like behavior. Kanye was against lynching the sk, until it became popular.

Titus · Wed Dec 11, 2013 4:47 pm

Kayne's diction. I don't see openness. I see a tunneler. The only one of Levi/Nacho is scm claim makes sense. I don't see anything supporting that.

Titus · Wed Dec 11, 2013 5:03 pm

Jeez. If I could see a reason for Kanye town, I wouldn't shoot him. Beliefs are not reasos.

Titus · Wed Dec 11, 2013 5:18 pm

In post 6166, Belisarius wrote:
In post 6164, Natirasha wrote:How positive are you on this correlation?
I'd say about 60-80% Nacho/Levi as scumbuddies isn't impossible, just ridiculously unlikely. I'd consider it functionally indistinguishable from impossible id Levi hadn't given medical reasons for poor memory retention (and yes, I believe those reasons, I don't attack a player's sportsmanship without some fucking amazing reasons)

I agree on the sportsmanship point. Yet, I fail to see the relevance.

What about Kanye's diction suggests town.

Titus · Wed Dec 11, 2013 6:40 pm

Nati, I am not shooting lynchbait. I would rather lynch Nacho today and shoot a less lynchbait target. My shots are meant to go towards shooting persuasive scum we cannot lynch. Hence why I want a post, an analysis, something more than y'all think I am wrong.

Titus · Wed Dec 11, 2013 6:42 pm

PV is town. I am NOT shooting him.

I will shoot ETL or Kanye.

Titus · Wed Dec 11, 2013 6:47 pm

Really, because I wouldn't be your pansy? If I agreed with you, you'd say passive scum meta. I announce my plan, try to get feedback, and you think that means I am your bitch. Sorry. This was a catch 22. No matter what I say, you scumread me. I will die before I shoot town or be useless.

Titus · Wed Dec 11, 2013 6:52 pm

Bullshit. You know I am not passive. I suddenly talk in terms of sure, just tell me what you want, anyone in this game would scumread me. I do not care for self-preservation, ever. So go to hell. I may be townreading you but I do not put up with fools.

The thing is, I have been trying to solve the game. That's bullshit to suggest otherwise.

You have a scumread and you've been reading in that light and only that light.

Titus · Wed Dec 11, 2013 6:55 pm

Etl or Kanye are much better shots than anything you suggest.

Etl, if flips scum, clears Levi. If Levi flips town, ETL is more likely scum.

Kanye hasn't done protown shit at all nd his flip would be very revealing.

Titus · Wed Dec 11, 2013 6:56 pm

What info do we get by shooting Nacho or Levi when they are deadmen walking? Play to the longterm.

Titus · Wed Dec 11, 2013 6:58 pm

I am going to get off of here before I throw my phone.

I want to see reasons why Kanye us town.

A reason is

"this vote here is a town vote because..."

Obviously, if I vig etl, Nacho would be the lynch. Duh.

Titus · Thu Dec 12, 2013 12:54 pm

@Pere, Stefan was much better than Sven. Also, a part of that was built on Wake!Scum which is not present. Given his lurkiness, we hadn't talked much.

Your day 3 needs killed by Titus and scum. I used one of my vig shots on talah. Your night 2 also needs scum attempted to shoot Talah.

Given that scum shot Talah twice, they really wanted Talah dead and us consistent with a block and shoot.

Scum seem to be worried about PRs which suggest scums pilot things.

From nk analysis, I would conclude,

The scums targeted someone saved by an unknown party or scums targeted AA9 on night 1. While shooting AA9 is unlikely, I can see it if the scums wanted to prolong the leash or lynch debate. I am confident some scumtheater is likely there.

Shooting talah twice suggests that the scums are afraid of being checked (thus not obvtown).

Majiffy is a wierd kill unless one of his unpopular reads scum didn't want voiced. This may be a town or scumread.

I cannot see PV scum. Yet, there is no reason to doubt Pyro's claim PV.

Titus · Thu Dec 12, 2013 12:55 pm

I will withhold my shot today because I was given a reason unless I can refute it beyond a reasonble doubt.

Titus · Thu Dec 12, 2013 3:22 pm

In post 6237, Natirasha wrote:Why is PV town, Titus?

He's my biggest townread due to his stances and how he plays this. His early actions towards DV, when few suspected him, his action to jailkeep Natirasha was very town to me, his pushes are designed to ferret out alignments. His readslist takes controversial opinions and he doesn't back down or appease. I would die before I let anything happen to PV.

Titus · Thu Dec 12, 2013 6:25 pm

In post 6240, NachoKoopa wrote:
In post 6156, Titus wrote:Nati, only one. I plan on using it tonight. While Kanye cannot be a scumbuddy with Pie, keeping Pie alive benefits town.

Beli, go on. I don't know where you are coming from, but you at least seem to be trying.

The wagon sucks not for who is on it but for the reasoning. I do suspect one of Pyro/Nati as scum. The Levi wagon has one scumread (Nacho) but better reasoning.
You keep having scumreads that require you to tie them to people who have not flipped scum. Why is this?

Not sure what you're saying here.

Also, Nacho you have highlighted a goid reason for scum me to want to vig you and Levi, towncred. The rejection of towncred should clue you in to the fact I am not scum. That is setting aside the whole, gunsmith without a vig is stupid.

Titus · Fri Dec 13, 2013 3:47 am

I have a really stupid idea, is my gundam related to Empking?

Titus · Fri Dec 13, 2013 5:13 pm

In post 6262, TiphaineDeath wrote:Dunno, If I was scum I would off neighbors early, especially if one of the neighbors was also scum.

Why? Neighbors can be a source of information. Offing your neighbor only makes sense if they scumread you. Having both neighbors alive so long suggests 1 town and one scum.

Titus · Fri Dec 13, 2013 5:52 pm

In post 6264, TiphaineDeath wrote:Errrr, no, if one scum one town, scum knows town neighbor is town, offs town neighbor, one dead town neighbor looks like both neighbors town. Sends in to huge wifom spiral, easily rideable till endgame with good scum. Always assume scum is smart.

I do. Yet, killing your allies isn't smart as scum. If the neighbor townreads the scum neighbor, there is no point in killing the town neighbor as the town neighbor can be an asset in determining who is mislynchable and creating mislynches. If the neighbor cannot be manipulated as such, then shoot him.

Ideally shoot the town neighbor before the scum neighborgets lynched as a scum neighbor practically confirms the other.

Enough setup spec, let's talk game.

Titus · Sat Dec 14, 2013 4:51 am

In post 6268, TiphaineDeath wrote:Aaaaaand VOTE: titus. Game reading unnecessary . Choo-Choo.

If you read the game, you'd know I am town. Gunsmith suggests town vig. I am the only vig claimer. I took risks and said fuck off accordingly. I did what I hav done. The votes keep me alive, so I don't mind them. As long as scum think I am a useful idiot, I live.

Titus · Sat Dec 14, 2013 7:46 am

In post 6271, TiphaineDeath wrote:People Voting Titus, why is he scum?

Does anyone out there have a hard town read on titus, if so why?

I would be surprised if anyone hard read me unless they stuck real hard to common sense. I have played far too risky (and failed) to be hard read but for no vig cc (by shooting me obviously).

Titus · Sat Dec 14, 2013 11:51 am

Really, gunsmioth doesn't equally town vig? Do I seriously need to acquire brain implants for this game? If there was no vig, the mod would simply say cop. Doubly so because the SK was investigation immune. Given the brains haven't been splattered all over this thread. I should be considered conftown. Even if you think I am being the world's most royal idiot by following common sense you should be interpreting my play based on what I believe unless it is obvious I am lying. Instead, you are applying your own tunnel vision blinders which is infuriating.

I didn't believe Talah's claim of gunsmith when I shot her. She was a) reading the game entirely wrong compared to how I was reading it 2) saying things that were what I thought to be total fabrications to protect Wake, who was obvious scum. I saw an obvious group of people lying to protect Wake 88. Waynegg's fake cop claim combined with Stahl's bad cop claim combined with Talah not calling them out on their shit made me think there is no plausible way Talah was a cop. Three cops combined with Wake and Majiffy? That would be immensely overpowered. Yet, Talah says nothing. I highlight this and I am brushed aside like garbage. So I shot her. Period. I made it real clear I was doing it. The result, you bitch saying it was a horrible shot after Talah is dead. So screw you.

Titus · Sat Dec 14, 2013 11:53 am

In post 6274, NachoKoopa wrote:I wanna hammer it.

Disassociative language. Good fucking lord. God damn it. Now they lynch me when I am this close to finding the scum and ending this. Ugh.

Levi - Kanye - Nacho. Signed sealed delivered.

Titus · Sat Dec 14, 2013 4:35 pm

In post 6283, AGar wrote:
In post 6279, Titus wrote:Really, gunsmioth doesn't equally town vig? Do I seriously need to acquire brain implants for this game? If there was no vig, the mod would simply say cop
No, no he wouldn't. Site meta is pretty shitty towards cops because of their power levels.

Gunsmith is a less powerful informational role than a cop. For one, it doesn't give a guilty. It gives gun or no gun. If you don't know if there's a vig or not, it's not a confirmed guilty. Second, as far as I've seen them, gunsmiths get positive results on cops and negatives on doctors. Kdub's wording would imply that that probably wasn't the case here, but to blanket assume that every time there's a gunsmith, it's because there's a vig is naive.

In post 6279, Titus wrote:I didn't believe Talah's claim of gunsmith when I shot her. She was a) reading the game entirely wrong compared to how I was reading it 2) saying things that were what I thought to be total fabrications to protect Wake, who was obvious scum. I saw an obvious group of people lying to protect Wake 88. Waynegg's fake cop claim combined with Stahl's bad cop claim combined with Talah not calling them out on their shit made me think there is no plausible way Talah was a cop. Three cops combined with Wake and Majiffy? That would be immensely overpowered. Yet, Talah says nothing. I highlight this and I am brushed aside like garbage. So I shot her. Period. I made it real clear I was doing it. The result, you bitch saying it was a horrible shot after Talah is dead. So screw you.
It's FIELD DAY WOOHOO!

First - justifying someone's death with "They were reading the game wrong" is complete and utter bullshit, ESPECIALLY when you yourself have found all of zero scum. In fact, you've shot a town player multiple people thought was town AND THEN tried to get things lined up to shoot ANOTHER strong townread of multiple players. Second, Talah wasn't really trying too strongly or contriving reasons to protect Wake. Wayne and Stahl were both trying gambitty bullshit and NO ONE tried to lynch them at those points because we knew they were just pulling shit out of their ass. Finally, you shot a player that was one of few WHO COULD BE A DIRECT THREAT to the scumteam. I don't care if you posted it thirty times. It was a shitty shot, and quite frankly, had we not had the lynch-Pie-don't-lynch-Pie shit cluttering the thread, you probably would've caught a lot more heat right after the shot.

I wasn't trying to line up anything. That's utter bullshit. I was telling people I wanted to shoot someone, just like I did Talah.

Frankly, I'll never shoot lynchbait. It's a waste of a vig. Given the fact I will cause myself to get mislynched, I guess that means I am not shooting.

Well, yeah I shot Talah because I felt she was a lying threat to the town. I don't care much for retconning the actions of Waynegg and Stal as "obvious gambits" when we vigged Wayne instead of lynched him. What a joke.

I did catch heat for that. Necro arguments doesn't make them any good.

Well Pere, now would be a good time as any to explain your hard town read. I don't want us in possible Mylo here.

Titus · Sat Dec 14, 2013 6:41 pm

In post 6288, PeregrineV wrote:
In post 6287, Titus wrote:Well Pere, now would be a good time as any to explain your hard town read. I don't want us in possible Mylo here.
If I do, I may out a PR and take away some WIFOM from the the scum with my opinion. Should I do all that?

Right. This is getting close to the endgame. If we can create a conftown wall, then we win. So take a shot Pere. (no pun intended)

Titus · Sat Dec 14, 2013 7:29 pm

In post 6252, Belisarius wrote:
In post 6245, Titus wrote:I have a really stupid idea, is my gundam related to Empking?
I must have missed something; I don't have a name/suit/no-suit claim from you written down, just x-shot anytime vig.

Athrun Zala, I pilot the Justice Gundam. Posted that before but I'm too lazy to search myself for Justice Gundam.

Titus · Sat Dec 14, 2013 7:31 pm

In post 6291, PeregrineV wrote:Titus is vig.
Triphaine is doc.
Pyro most likely BP bodyguard
Beli is pretty much confirmed town
I am town.

Neighbors are either town-town, or scum-town. (I do not think there are scum-scum trying to pass off as neighbors).

If we leave those alone for now, it takes us to the realm of
NachoKoopa
Natirasha
AGar
kanyeknowsbest

Tiphane did you claim doc?

If you are the doc (and you hadn't claimed), that most likely townfirms you Pere, Beli and myself.

My concern Pere is that doesn't explain how you know who is town and who isn't.

Titus · Sat Dec 14, 2013 7:32 pm

Kanye, what are you not getting?

Titus · Sat Dec 14, 2013 8:54 pm

PV spoiler that and give the TLDR please.

Titus · Sun Dec 15, 2013 4:12 am

Beli, Kalimar is the reason the Empking's stuff reset then. I am almost certain.

We need an event that occurred before night 1. Kalimar's shot is the only thing that fits the bill that we know about. How likely is it that someone else took a hidden ability day 1? And then they have links in flavor?

That also MUST be the reason I have only one shot as it would be OP to give me dayshots tbat refreshed an ally and can be used as a double lynch.

Titus · Sun Dec 15, 2013 4:12 am

*one dayshot

Titus · Sun Dec 15, 2013 11:22 am

God damn it. That analysis was wrong.

Agar, given that PV Levi and Beli all believe I am town, would that at least cause you to think about it? There's no logical way we are all scum together. I have been rethinking Kayne for the same reasons. I can't see any way he's town but we should at least listen to each other and have a rational dialogue.

Titus · Sun Dec 15, 2013 11:22 am

**That analysis regarding TD cop.

Titus · Sun Dec 15, 2013 11:22 am

Derp TD doc. Damn cold bug.

Titus · Sun Dec 15, 2013 2:47 pm

In post 6343, kanyeknowsbest wrote:
In post 6340, Titus wrote:God damn it. That analysis was wrong.

Agar, given that PV Levi and Beli all believe I am town, would that at least cause you to think about it? There's no logical way we are all scum together. I have been rethinking Kayne for the same reasons. I can't see any way he's town but we should at least listen to each other and have a rational dialogue.
how the fuck does this logic even work. you are implying that only scum would town read you if you were scum which is so...

I guess this is moon logic when people cannot understand basic words.

Basically the sheer number suggests that at least two town are townreading me, which suggests that I am a poor lynch target. Given that more than half the game townreads me, that makes sense for you to reconsider. The group wants me to reconsider shooting your brains out, they should use the same standard to re-evaluate their read on me.

Titus · Sun Dec 15, 2013 4:01 pm

Let's suppose that Levi and I are both scum, which is wrong regarding me. Then you might as well vote Levi with me. You'd take out my ally (because under your theory I am bussing). Then, I'd be easier to lynch no?

Titus · Mon Dec 16, 2013 12:03 pm

Finally, the wagon I wanted for awhile has a voter!

VOTE: kanye

Titus · Mon Dec 16, 2013 12:04 pm

At least this time I didn't have to strap a bomb to you TD to get you to see me as town.

Titus · Mon Dec 16, 2013 12:50 pm

I had one day kill. The rest are at night. I shot Talah. I have one more.

We already have one fake vig (Pie) claiming vig when not is suicidal.

ETL, I didn't push Kanye because PIE NEEDED TO DIE!

Titus · Mon Dec 16, 2013 12:51 pm

** two fake claiming vigs is suicidal.

Kanye has been useless.

Titus · Mon Dec 16, 2013 1:07 pm

Kanye, way to cut out half the game.

I didn't shoot him night 2 due to the agreement of the town that if Pie hit scum he'd be saved. Pie shoots DV. Pie lives the next night. Pie hits town. I try to lynch him. We reach an agreement regarding Pie living if he shoots scum. Pie misses. I get him lynched. The END. Period. I only got a few shots. I'd rather not waste them on people we are going to lynch.

Titus · Mon Dec 16, 2013 1:19 pm

I think your logic is accurate TD. You tend to be spot on as town.

I know you haven't read, but what is your opinion generally

The SK is known on day 1, do you lynch or leash him? If you pick leash when is the right time to lynch the SK?

Titus · Mon Dec 16, 2013 1:29 pm

We debated that for four days and the same people who pushed hard for leash (for the most part) make up my wagon. I said lynch on sight. Majiffy said lynch on sight and was townreading me. He dies (which makes no sense for any scum team I am on) and then I'm a wagon. That doesn't take a huge leap in logic to figure out what the hell is going on here. Waynegg and Wake also wanted to lynch on sight (but they were generally being dicks and I spent just as much time to reform them as trying to lynch Pie).

Titus · Mon Dec 16, 2013 1:34 pm

Convince my other town reads and you got it.

Titus · Mon Dec 16, 2013 2:05 pm

In post 6280, Titus wrote:
In post 6274, NachoKoopa wrote:I wanna hammer it.
Disassociative language. Good fucking lord. God damn it. Now they lynch me when I am this close to finding the scum and ending this. Ugh.

Levi - Kanye - Nacho. Signed sealed delivered.

There you go.

Levi has a suicidal bent, not asking questions, etc.
Nacho - I expect more from Nacho. This is the weakest.
Kanye - He only produces Titus is scum. He jumps from side to side based on convience.

My townreads Pyro, Nati, PV, Beli. Pyro argues for what he wants, unafraid of conflict. Natirasha, same for the most part. My gut screams not to trust the two of them together.

PV active poster, unique perspective. Total town. Beli, our flavor expert.

Titus · Mon Dec 16, 2013 2:17 pm

Agar, Kanyescum would have confirmed Pie was SK rather than vig to determine if Pie needed to be blocked.

Get your tunnel blinders off. Nati, unless she is scim, is a much bigger threat than Mr. Multiball. Majiffy's death suggests I am town. Scum don't shoot their allies when one is under major pressure.

Why would scum me claim the Talah shot? Thete's literally no scum motivation in doing so.

Titus · Mon Dec 16, 2013 2:39 pm

In post 6403, TiphaineDeath wrote:No wait, I had decided that the two neighbors were town hadn't I?.... this game is confusing X_X.

One is probably scum. I cannot see scum letting town have mason equivalents this long.

Titus · Mon Dec 16, 2013 2:39 pm

In post 6404, kanyeknowsbest wrote:
In post 6400, Titus wrote:Agar, Kanyescum would have confirmed Pie was SK rather than vig to determine if Pie needed to be blocked.

Get your tunnel blinders off. Nati, unless she is scim, is a much bigger threat than Mr. Multiball. Majiffy's death suggests I am town. Scum don't shoot their allies when one is under major pressure.

Why would scum me claim the Talah shot? Thete's literally no scum motivation in doing so.
not sure that an sk and a vig differ in the eyes of scum at all, except that one is lynchable and the other is not?

Oh I am pretty sure vigs are lynchable if honest. Scum can do a mislynch.

Titus · Mon Dec 16, 2013 2:41 pm

Agar, have you ever played with an anytime vig?

Titus · Mon Dec 16, 2013 3:10 pm

I have a slight townread on ETL.

Titus · Mon Dec 16, 2013 3:10 pm

Why is ETL scummy?

Titus · Mon Dec 16, 2013 3:44 pm

Sakura was the most rational leash Pie player, providing meta for where leashing was good, encouraging dialouge and conversation, she subbed out due to theabrasive nature the game was getting.

Agar, it sounds like your twisting. If scums had a roleblocker, they roleblock Pyro and shoot Nati in your setup, rather than kill Majiffy.

What happens if Majiffy watched Talah then hmm? If he did, then he'd know that was a lie. Too risky.

Titus · Mon Dec 16, 2013 3:53 pm

Nati is a roleblock preventer. So what? NAR has Nati dead.

Scum target Nati.
Scum block Pyro.
Pyro protects Nati.
Nati protects Pyro.

Step 1 resolve actions that are not impacted by others.

Here, that's kill on Nati. Nati's dead. Then Pyro tries to protect but can't because he's blocked.

Titus · Tue Dec 17, 2013 3:49 am

Pyro, what likely happened is RB + scum shooting Talah as well. Scums knew she was town and a threat. We lined up because I shot an unlynchable target, and those tend to be the ones I shoot as a vig.

If someone is dead, then they shouldn't be able to act under NAR right? I miss my order of operations.

Titus · Tue Dec 17, 2013 8:53 am

In post 6421, PeregrineV wrote:I played a scum 1-shot dayvig
Subject: Mini 1419: First Time Mafia (Game over!)

Quilford wrote:
Quilford wrote:
Welcome to
Mini 1419: First Time Mafia
, PeregrineV!

###

You are a
Mafia Day 1 Dayvig
.

You have the following special abilities:
>
Converse
: When allowed, you may speak with the other members of your faction in your private QuickTopic.
>
Kill
: During the Night, any one member of your faction may target a player with this ability to kill them.
>
Daykill
: During Day 1 only, you may target any one player to kill them by posting
Daykill: <player>
in thread. You may not use this ability if the battery deadline is below 50%. If successful, the votecount will be reset.

Your Win Condition is as follows:
>>> You win if at least one
Mafia aligned
player is alive and all other players are dead (or if nothing can prevent the same).

###

You must confirm by replying to this PM.

The game thread is here. Good luck, and have fun!

That game was deliberately ridiculous roles. Everyone was town power. Dayvig was required for balance.

Here we have enough suitless people to where giving scum a dayvig is damn near gamebreaking.

The mod hasn't put deliberately ridiculous roles in this, and I doubt he's going for gamebreaking.

Titus · Tue Dec 17, 2013 9:39 am

Anytime vig is not ridiculous if I am town. My explanation IS simple. Yours is bordering on ridiculousness. As town, I'm straightforward and say what I do and why I do it. Nothing's changed. Your explanation requires a lot of assumptions, guesswork and innuendo. Occam's Razor favors me.

Titus · Tue Dec 17, 2013 9:41 am

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=29725

That game had an anytime vig. Mine just has a limitation.

Titus · Tue Dec 17, 2013 11:50 am

In post 6427, Pyrotechnics wrote:This is a bus post!

mod I fucked up my bold tAgs before, but I'm v/la until the 23rd.

Not mu h new to say.

Town: nat. Kanye

Pro Stowe: Titus, beli, prrev

If one is scum the other is town: etl/ Levi (not sold on Sakura town thing though)

That leaves agar, Td & nacho.

Lets lynch nacho.

I doubt you are claiming scum here Pyro? What is a bus post?

Titus · Tue Dec 17, 2013 12:48 pm

Have fun on your trip. Will you be vla?

Etl, care to comment on anything that has happened?

TD, I look scummy as town, especially when I think I am conftown. Look at Death's Diner. It took me attaching a bomb to your back and I still was pushed as scum for awhile. I am lynchbait but I work on it.

Titus · Tue Dec 17, 2013 1:02 pm

In post 6439, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:Titus not sure what to say. Hard for me to read most of these people. I looked over kanye's iso and i like it better than i did before so i'm sheeping him for now until either i die or the playerlist is shorter. I also am completely unfamiliar witg the theme so when you guys talk about theme stuff i'm lost.

I admit I am lost, so I am sheeping Beli regarding flavor to see if the links are plausible. The notmafia might be linked to each other but that would be gamebreaking.

I am linked with Empking. I think my dayshot reset his abilities.
Pyro is linked with Pie.
Talah is linked with Majiffy.
Etl and Levi are linked.

Of course, this goes against my Levi Nacho Kanye scumteam which seems obvious to me.

Titus · Tue Dec 17, 2013 1:43 pm

In post 6441, kanyeknowsbest wrote:tammy at least nacho has the decency to acknowledge that hes caught scum, we can clean him up tomorrow. titus on the other hand has been aggressively scummy and seriously needs to get lynched. can you reconcile what i pointed out in these posts

In post 6382, kanyeknowsbest wrote:
In post 6377, Titus wrote:I had one day kill. The rest are at night. I shot Talah. I have one more.

We already have one fake vig (Pie) claiming vig when not is suicidal.

ETL, I didn't push Kanye because PIE NEEDED TO DIE!
reminder that titus believed all game long that pie needed to be dead and never tried to shoot him. reminder that titus has been harping about dividing the town over the pie issue and presented herself as trying to mediate between the two sides and never tried to shoot him. reminder that titus is fucking scum and needs to die.
In post 6383, kanyeknowsbest wrote:did everyone forget that titus spent pages and pages goin "lets compromise guys lets just make this work out lol im not trying to push any agenda here" when the entire time she had the power to just go "nope im forcing yall to get along" if she really wanted to.
In post 6384, kanyeknowsbest wrote:can yiou see the disconnect between stated intent and actual intent here ? i hiope you can : ]
cus lijke that shit is as solid scum as it gets for me short of bungling a fakeclaim or outright claiming scum.

So basically because I am not a prick and desire group consensus and follow group consensus, I must be scum. Good to know that vigs must

Titus · Tue Dec 17, 2013 1:44 pm

*vigs must be assholes.

Titus · Tue Dec 17, 2013 2:02 pm

Really TD, you think this is my scum game? We are hosed if I am lynched. I highlight the scum team and they've planned a perfect mislynch. Take out anyone who would know I am town and run circles around anyone else.

Majiffy would be yelling I am town. Who dies, Majiffy... Big shock.

Kanye should be dead if I was scum. There is no simple narrative for me being scum. None.

Titus · Tue Dec 17, 2013 5:14 pm

Dissassociative language is language that suggests the author is subconsciously distancing himself from what he is doing. For instance, referring to a player as the slot or it, implying they are less than human.

Titus · Wed Dec 18, 2013 3:39 am

In post 6452, TiphaineDeath wrote:Shouldn't kanye be dead if you're town since you're the vig and you scum read him?

No. I had three shots, including 1 dayvig. The dayvig was spent by the time I came in. I shot Talah after strongly hitting bc I figured she would win if scum bc no one would lynch her. The last had to be saved for Pie. He finally got lynched yesterday. Today, I ask about shooting Kanye and get lynchtrained.

Titus · Wed Dec 18, 2013 3:40 am

In post 6451, NachoKoopa wrote:Sorry. I will hammer you, Titus the human with feelings of dread when she looks at the role PM given to her.

I never have dread when I get a role pm.

Titus · Wed Dec 18, 2013 6:06 am

If Pie doesn't get lynched by kingmaker, I must shoot him regardless of my own policy of not wanting to shoot lynchbait. I am not going to lose the town the game because of not shooting lynchbait.

VOTE: Levi

Titus · Wed Dec 18, 2013 7:31 pm

vla until December 24

Going to see my mom and Sister. I will try to squeeze in posting. This is an every game vla. If I miss one and you're in that game, feel free to notify the mod.

Titus · Thu Dec 19, 2013 4:01 am

Solely based on flavor, I will bet you are right. However, my slot's action is the only plausible act that could have refreshed Empking's actions on night 1. There is no other action. That also explains why I only have one dayvig.

Titus · Thu Dec 19, 2013 9:02 am

Yeah. Off to the airport! Bye.

Titus · Fri Dec 20, 2013 3:57 am

I am not shooting lynchbait.

Titus · Fri Dec 20, 2013 3:58 am

Let's lynch Levi.

Titus · Sat Dec 21, 2013 4:38 am

Beli agreed on Nati. Did you see my flavor + action link analysis? Am I totally off in left field thinking I was the only one who could reset Empking's actions?

Nati, your vote strongly implies you believe Levi is town. Yet, you vote him saying you're ptepared to make a lylo run. The mod just extended the deadline, so that Levi vote makes no sense internally.

TD, I am town. My actions are reasoned and deliberate, much like my questioning if the RVS wagon in Death's Diner. It turned out that wagon was on town. I almost got lynched for it. Please ask me questions or get off my wagon. This wagon has a horrible composition.

You have village idiot who tunnels me and has no other suspects/reads of note (Kanye), sudden revival from lurker status (Agar), opportunistic wagon jumper who may still be town (Nati).

Then look at the Levi wagon...

Flavor expert (Beli)
Disinterested rational analyzer (PereV)
Interested player (Titus)
Obviously scumfuck bussing Levi waiting for my wagon to have enough steam to get a mislynch instead (Nachokoopa)

Titus · Sat Dec 21, 2013 4:40 am

The above has the players in the best possible light.

Kanye is still a scumfuck but no one but me and you is willing to vote him.

Titus · Sat Dec 21, 2013 5:25 pm

Agar, what makes you think 2 scum left? Numbers with an SK suggests 4 starting scum, not three.

Nati, I don't shoot lynchbait! [broken record plays]

Titus · Sat Dec 21, 2013 5:59 pm

No... It doesn't. It suggests that Nacho will vote me when my wagon gains steam.

Titus · Sun Dec 22, 2013 4:43 am

In post 6502, TiphaineDeath wrote:gains steam, you're at l-2, flail more.

The wagons are deadlocked. If someone switches, Nacho will hammer out of preservation.

TD, why are you convinced I am scum? You know my panicked town play more than anyone here.

Titus · Sun Dec 22, 2013 9:16 am

Logical question that most everyone is thinking... Why is Nati scum if I am scum?

Titus · Sun Dec 22, 2013 6:02 pm

Mod:Please send reminders out to Pyro and ETL

Pyro, ETL, I am dead unless you vote Levi most likely. Look at who has the most use to us, who has tried, who took risks and who gets chained up does nothingand lives. Look at common sense.

Titus · Sun Dec 22, 2013 6:19 pm

Levi, don't play a martyr if you are town. If there are three scum left and you are being moron town, that means I will have to restart and reread because no scum in their right mind kills me.

I will accept if I die but I go out swinging so people know my lynch voters are scum.

Titus · Sun Dec 22, 2013 6:32 pm

No. I am just as much lynchbait as you. Smart scum do not kill mislynchbait.

You should resist a lynch if you are town, especially given the three scum assumption. Your lack of resistance makes sense givenNacho and Kanye are perfectly positioned, you are both obvious.

It is down to you or me. I know I am town, and I amobjectovely more useful, especially in the endgame.

Titus · Sun Dec 22, 2013 7:10 pm

In post 6560, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:i win mor games than i lose dude as both alignments so don even try that shit. your join date doesn' mean jack shit.

you're protecting levi, why i have no idea. what dos my vote matter so much to you if you think i'm so useless.

They are scumbuddies ETL. I have been screamung that.

Titus · Sun Dec 22, 2013 7:24 pm

Kanye, do you think I am a dude?

Titus · Sun Dec 22, 2013 7:26 pm

You ignored ETL stating Levi's last talk about taking a lynch doesn't come from a town perspective.

Titus · Sun Dec 22, 2013 7:28 pm

Ok. Gotcha. Had to check to see if you were reading the game at all given the nature of your reads and pronoun uses.

Titus · Sun Dec 22, 2013 7:30 pm

You have been death tunnelling me, no content on anyone else and getting my gender wrong. It started to suggest you weren't reading but were a lyncher.

Sick as in need a mental hospital. I agree but you are scum, so that makes sense.

Titus · Sun Dec 22, 2013 7:34 pm

In post 6572, kanyeknowsbest wrote:believe youre not looking very hard if you dont know my stance on at least 4 other players in this game

Claiming I have 5 personalities and we are all scum doesn't count.

Titus · Sun Dec 22, 2013 7:37 pm

I am off for the night. Good night everyone.

ETL,there is no reason other than comforting me before backstabbing but I saw it coming.

Titus · Mon Dec 23, 2013 4:03 am

In post 6583, kanyeknowsbest wrote:cya l8r bud i honestly hope i dont have to read another one of your posts for a long time.

Way to make it personal.

The game is in Tammy's hands... And she's v/la. We should not post as much so Tammy has time to read.

Titus · Mon Dec 23, 2013 8:47 am

Wow. Someone came out of retirement to hammer me.

Levi, Nacho and Kanye are the scums, or are they?

Please don't take anything personally, especially you Kanye and Wake.

Titus · Sat Feb 08, 2014 8:28 pm

This was the funnest scum game I have had to date. I encouraged shooting majiffy and then arguing scum were framing me. Nacho wanted to kill Kanye. I should have listened to Nacho. Beyond that, I was thrilled with this game. I really enjoyed it. I expected to be dead much sooner than I was. Keeping Pie alive and stroking the leash versus lynch debate really helped. Wake and Wayne were both very emotional players. By patronizing them and scumreading them, I could fuel the debate about leash versus lynch. They'd have to comply and trust me in order to actually get Pie lynched but that wasn't going to happen since I was playing Arrogant Professor or Scumfuckery Titus. I was laughing so hard at some points.

I do realize that this was heated though, so if anyone has any problems with what I did, let me know.

Titus · Sun Feb 09, 2014 7:03 am

In post 7177, kanyeknowsbest wrote:
In post 7174, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 0, Kdub wrote:leviathan93 - Tolle Koenig, killed Night 6
Kise Svenskt Stål StefanB TiphaineDeath - Kojiro Murdoch, lynched Day 7
Natirasha - Lacus Clyne, killed Night 7
PeregrineV - Cagalli Yula Athha, pilot of the Strike Rouge Gundam, lynched Day 8
Sakura Hana EspeciallyTheLies - Miriallia Haw, killed Night 8
kanyeknowsbest - Yzak Joule, pilot of the Duel Gundam, lynched Day 9
AGar, all of these townies are the townies you killed.
You got the three mislynches we needed for the win and only lost because of vengeful LyLo shenanigans, which counts as a win for us in my heart.
Keep in mind you did this with zero help from me in setting things up; the only lynch I vetted for you was leviathan and you didn't even need that one.
not to take anything away from agar, i also think he did very well given his circumstances, i dont think its fair to say he only lost because of the vengekill. i sandbagged the fuck out of that lylo just to be safe for the vengekill. notice i didnt even vote him or really do much arguing of why he was scum. i just did the bare minimum to get believable reactions to the hammer.

No. You got lucky there. If you were wrong, you gave yourself no ability to correct. You were right, but lucky.