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yes, that is precisely what I think. You think either kill was pro-town. Nope... not at all. Mod's do give out extra kills sometimes as part of a role.In post 2081, Mac wrote:
if luna was responsible for the extra kill, why does that make them scum? do you think scum got a nightkill AND another kill?In post 2075, PeaceBringer wrote:2 deaths... seriously...
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luna musta been responsible for the extra
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feel free to ask away...I got nothing to hideIn post 2081, Mac wrote:
if luna was responsible for the extra kill, why does that make them scum? do you think scum got a nightkill AND another kill?In post 2075, PeaceBringer wrote:2 deaths... seriously...
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luna musta been responsible for the extra
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This is the last game I am in and I am done. I cannot "defend" how I play as I am intuitive. This site and me do not mix. It is clear you and Max are town and if you cannot see through the bullshit and just want to lynch me, then go for it. Cause I sure as hell ain't scum and I got nothing to do. And yeah, shrug this of as AtE or whatever. I just have no more tolerance for the bullshit and have tried as much as I can here to be myself and adapt to how the game is played here. Just not working. But the town you Mac, you, and varsoon are all pointing at me anyway... so :shrug: hey, gotta credit ooba for the sudden white knighting from before though. Unless one of you and mac are scum. And hey, I go at least the day talk gets squelched... so yeah, go ahead and lynch me.
but, you are right, no need to make it easy... but yeah, go ahead and lynch me...actually do that and town probably loses as they kill varsoon...
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It doesn't make sense to me for there to be a scum pair in the cops when it comes to balance... bbmolla's play and reactions have been genuine...RC certainly played town but got locked on a tunnel of paranoia... titus also seemed town. Mac comes off genuine. Let me ask you this, where do you think the extra kill came from? honestly. Luna claims to have targeted me... do not believe it for a minute.In post 2102, Varsoon wrote:Alright, PB, let's say that you're not scum.
I think Ooba and Mac are likely scum, too.
I'm suspicious of everyone though.
If I had to rate people, sans you, it'd be
Ooba > Mac > BBMolla > Luna.
I always read Mac wrong, though.
And Ooba is apparently a stump.
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so you always read mac wrong, how about RC, and titus. I called ooba scum if you recall recently. Of course I went off on a RT and SP bender...In post 2102, Varsoon wrote:Alright, PB, let's say that you're not scum.
I think Ooba and Mac are likely scum, too.
I'm suspicious of everyone though.
If I had to rate people, sans you, it'd be
Ooba > Mac > BBMolla > Luna.
I always read Mac wrong, though.
And Ooba is apparently a stump.
Why don't people think BBMolla is scum?
so why not luna go constanza for a minute, as ooba is most likely actually a scum stump. Of course If I am wrong on mac and bbmolla...then SOL- if I am right it has to be luna and ooba. There is no other option.-
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it is more my emotion vs AtoE, I am not proclaiming oh does this based on some emotional reason. It is more my emotions are this, I don't care anymore. Oh wait, if I give up then scum does win and that is not fair for other players as there is no leway.In post 2115, Varsoon wrote:PB's AtE feels genuine, though.-
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of course you say that because you are scum, scum, scum as I have stating nearly all gameIn post 2114, Luna Lovegood wrote:
Assuming ooba bolds some zany phrase in thread and dies immediately afterwards, Peacebringer.In post 2112, Varsoon wrote:Luna, who do we vote for?-
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Luna needs to go, you lynch me scum wins, fact.In post 2116, Mac wrote:
yeah but ooba shouldnt die today.In post 2114, Luna Lovegood wrote:
Assuming ooba bolds some zany phrase in thread and dies immediately afterwards, Peacebringer.In post 2112, Varsoon wrote:Luna, who do we vote for?-
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my actual physical life, no. If betting were allowed in the game, I would bet on it, since it is not, well...In post 2121, Varsoon wrote:
So Luna is scum, and you'll bet your life on it?In post 2118, PeaceBringer wrote:
of course you say that because you are scum, scum, scum as I have stating nearly all gameIn post 2114, Luna Lovegood wrote:
Assuming ooba bolds some zany phrase in thread and dies immediately afterwards, Peacebringer.In post 2112, Varsoon wrote:Luna, who do we vote for?
only way he is not is if actually scum in the red herring seers...-
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or unless you are lying scum...don't think so thoughIn post 2123, PeaceBringer wrote:
my actual physical life, no. If betting were allowed in the game, I would bet on it, since it is not, well...In post 2121, Varsoon wrote:
So Luna is scum, and you'll bet your life on it?In post 2118, PeaceBringer wrote:
of course you say that because you are scum, scum, scum as I have stating nearly all gameIn post 2114, Luna Lovegood wrote:
Assuming ooba bolds some zany phrase in thread and dies immediately afterwards, Peacebringer.In post 2112, Varsoon wrote:Luna, who do we vote for?
only way he is not is if actually scum in the red herring seers...-
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seriously? please outline a case for either the Mac slot or bbmolla in a mafiascum sorta way then...In post 2122, Varsoon wrote:It's impossible for me to think that Scum isn't really enjoying the Luna v PB back and forth.
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you are red herrings regardless, being normalized woulda helped, again argues to you being town...In post 2127, BBmolla wrote:Also I wouldnt call us red herrings, in the right sequence of events we could have been sanified.-
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I got it now, so not an extra kill directly. Does not alter the lay of land any imo...In post 2126, BBmolla wrote:
Go read SP's claimIn post 2120, PeaceBringer wrote:
huh?In post 2113, BBmolla wrote:Yeah the Majiffy was obviously targeted by SP-
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seriously, no one has championed my cause other than a little white knighting here and there, but you do a good job of misting so that no one wants to touch you even though your play has been less than stellar and avoiding the game other than pushing things here to a conclusion to get you a win.In post 2132, Luna Lovegood wrote:
You didn't say it very loudly until you had someone to champion your cause for you.In post 2118, PeaceBringer wrote:
of course you say that because you are scum, scum, scum as I have stating nearly all gameIn post 2114, Luna Lovegood wrote:
Assuming ooba bolds some zany phrase in thread and dies immediately afterwards, Peacebringer.In post 2112, Varsoon wrote:Luna, who do we vote for?-
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here is some tings you are not considering.In post 2142, Mac wrote:so i was looking at what mollienero's role could do to our prs by way of changing them. imagine each of the following have been normalised:
dopog, Non-Negotiable Namecaller, Compulsive Framer, Nice > non-compulsive framer
mnemonicdevice, Nothing Notable, Vanilla Townie, Nice, lynched day 2 > nothing
PeregrineV, Noodle Negotiator, Fruit Vendor, Nice, died night 2 > nothing
Kmd4390, Nothing Notable, Vanilla Townie, Nice, lynched day 3 > nothing
DeasVail, Necromancer, Seer, Nice, died night 3 > nothing
Dante, Nagging Notifier, Mafia Roleblocker Mailman, Naughty, lynched day 4 > nothing
Rail Tracer, Nothing Notable, Vanilla Townie, Nice, died night 4 > nothing
Mitillos, Nearby Newcomer, Universal Backup Traitor turned Compulsive Framer Traitor, Naughty, lynched day 5 > turns to normal mafia perhaps?
Majiffy, Non-Necessary Negligent-er, Conditional Action Delayer, Nice, died night 5 > actions work straight away?
Shadowy Poison, Nanny, Babysitter, Nice, died night 5 > turns to proper doctor?
now key that in with claimed roles here
paranoid cop > cop
naive cop > cop
sleeping vig > vig
daytalk enabler > nothing
tree stump > nothing?
hated double voter > normal double voter.
where i was going with this is that clearly town has some decoys - seer, fruit vendor - to the normaliser. scum don't really have anything that could change apart from traitor>mafia but im not even sure this would happen. this is why I think peacebringer is a naughty daytalk enabler - when the decoys are normalised, nothing happens. when his role is normalised, nothing happens but he still works for scum.
2 cops seems overpowered too, it's twisting my gut to see that if we were both targetted town would be overpowered AS FUCK. like if i was normalised night one and molla night two, by night 5 we could have half the towns alignments known roughly. AND DAYTALK. it just doesn't add up for me, hence why i have some suspicions of molla. also i feel weird that he's not considering this at all and just calling me town.
side note: varsoon isn't scum with anyone except PB or me (since he & partner could've jumped on to PB and hammered - assuming we're in mylo.)
Luna's claim made well after being know that there is a normalizer and can easily be faked to appear like there was something normalized.
With my role as the day talk enabler and with the normalizer role that could "fix" one of them or both, I cannot see the logic of a mod designing the game with wonky views, a normalizer, and a GG/BG pairing. Add in the psychology of the play and it does not add up that there is scum there at all.-
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no, luna is probably scum who fashioned role to fit...
You are not scum, Mac's slot not scum, I am not scum, vasoon not scum.... what does that leave...-
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with a normalizer known, I fake something that can be normalized. Essentially he claimed a "no-shot killer" and made up some wonky information to make it believable. Especially when you have a co-scum most likely making a wonky stump claim that may well be validIn post 2157, BBmolla wrote:PeaceBringer you have to fake claim un-normal cop, what do you claim? Something janky like Luna's claim or something believable like No-Shot Nightkiller (Blank Vig)?-
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plus we had another scum claim a claim that appeared it could be normalized...In post 2159, PeaceBringer wrote:
with a normalizer known, I fake something that can be normalized. Essentially he claimed a "no-shot killer" and made up some wonky information to make it believable. Especially when you have a co-scum most likely making a wonky stump claim that may well be validIn post 2157, BBmolla wrote:PeaceBringer you have to fake claim un-normal cop, what do you claim? Something janky like Luna's claim or something believable like No-Shot Nightkiller (Blank Vig)?-
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It woulda been a different game true, but the "Game" is not dependent on the one role. It is just one element, and your arguing this point now just demonstrates further your true position.In post 2162, ooba wrote:
Of course it is. If Nero had lived to D2, he would have seen BBM and VC claim. And normalized them the next night and the game would have turned out a lot differently.In post 2161, PeaceBringer wrote:see the game is not set up around 1 player... that is absurd. There is a player with some chance to impact a couple of players that could allow for some hijinks and give scum so places to hide. One got eliminated the other did not. The playing out of the game was not dependent on that one role.
In fact, I was secretly hoping Nero targetted one of them N1 - which was why I was asking them for their results every day. (Gives them the opportunity to post results without getting killed)-
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faulty premise, this is a when did you stop molesting children comment...In post 2163, BBmolla wrote:
You're not followingIn post 2160, PeaceBringer wrote:
plus we had another scum claim a claim that appeared it could be normalized...In post 2159, PeaceBringer wrote:
with a normalizer known, I fake something that can be normalized. Essentially he claimed a "no-shot killer" and made up some wonky information to make it believable. Especially when you have a co-scum most likely making a wonky stump claim that may well be validIn post 2157, BBmolla wrote:PeaceBringer you have to fake claim un-normal cop, what do you claim? Something janky like Luna's claim or something believable like No-Shot Nightkiller (Blank Vig)?
If you were in a game and had to claim a protective role, would you claim Doctor or Barbed Wire?
scum is going to claim whatever they think will best carry them forward in this game. So yes, scum will make up flavor text in order to get through. Some times you make stuff up, sometimes you take a bit of what you have or someone else had and twist slightly to have it believable. In the context of any given game and claim you have the content of the claim, you have the context of the game, and you have the psychology of the claim.
Regarding the game context and psychology of claim varsoon is clearly town.
You have the 2 cop claims with the context and psychology makes no sense if one is scum
You have my claim which in terms of context and psychology should be obvious that I am town. Since I am an "unknown" factor it is easy to ignore the facts and just call me scummy. Make proclamations like "better player than puts on." I have to be faking a lot of the psychology to be scum. For my claim to be scum, it would have to have been a huge gambit that paid off as what scum in their right mind makes such a negative utility claim in which the town would have benefit to actually lynch? I would have to be a hall of a great player to pull it off in such circumstances.
Now we have 2 other claims. One with an over emphasized content that appear to fit context. And one with a claim that is odd regarding context. And you have 2 of them right now working really hard to appear to be engaging in "townish" behaviors, but it is half hearted.-
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the problem is ooba, the longer you wait to "stump" the less time we have to sort things out as town. You taking your sweet time is not in town interst. Oh and if Vasoon is scum with someone else this game would be over already. See if luna and varsooon were scumbuddies, I would be dead. If varsoon and any one else scum and not luna, luna would be lynched. Only possible option for varsoon being scum is if he and I were scum buddies and I know I am not scum.-
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don't see how you can read was has been written and conclude that is what is being said. Rather, the comment for me on Varsoon led to looking further at the Varsoon as scum prospects, they do not exist essentially.In post 2180, ooba wrote:Seriously - I'm having a hard time believing anybody could misread that post as 'I wont stump because Varsoon could be scum'.-
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so if Ooba ends up town, then has to be one scum between BB and Mac and one scum between me and luna, correct?In post 2183, Varsoon wrote:If Ooba stumps,
then that leaves PB, Luna, BBMolla, and Mac.
I want to believe in PB,
I think Luna is town, but paranoia makes me skeptical.
I'm concerned that there's one scum between BB and Mac, leaning Mac here.
Likelihood of both BB and Mac being scum is very slight and if game set up that way then a pox on the mod and the reviewers.
You think Luna is town, why? Was it there total disengagement from the game while posting on occasion? Was it the suddenly posting thoughts as we narrow down but nothing solid. Lots of posting and running and no real trying to sort anything out. Add in a claim that shoes-horns in a match with a normalizer much like the mafia traitor? Please tell which of those behaviors lead you to conclude that Luna is town?
So if Ooba is Town then me or Luna is scum.
I know I am not scum. If you closely examine my behavior and play one should be able to come to that conclusion unless you think I am just that good and super manipulative to pull off my posting as scum.
If there is a scum between BB and Mac it is going to be hard to tell and will take some work.-
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slightly missed the point I think and very scumish reaction here people...In post 2189, Luna Lovegood wrote:
You're reassured in pb asking ooba to stump and expected me to do something like tha instead?In post 2187, BBmolla wrote:Nacho it really sucks that PB is pulling what you normally do as town at this point instead of you-
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based on what?In post 2209, Mac wrote:
chances are he knewIn post 2205, PeaceBringer wrote:Reminder that Mit was mafia traitor, so not likely on the board and probably did not know who was scum...-
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Well if ooba is town it narrows things down to Luna and then you or mac. So it may come down to me making right choice unless a wrong choice is made today. That or which ever of you is town becomes convince to lynch in lylo...In post 2213, BBmolla wrote:Ooba, if you are a town stump and if you're correct that Varsoon is town, we're in good shape.-
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this could be one, could be none, could be they know but he does not, could be he knows them but they do not know him. There is no evidence one way or another in this game to make an conclusions.In post 2216, BBmolla wrote:Depends on mod.-
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but Nacho is scum, you are going to have to actually build a case between him and bbmola once mod give us ooba's actual status.
It would be an awful set up if bot bbmolla and mac's slot are scum
odds are you die if we have a proper lynch and do not lose the game.
So getting in your thoughts would be helpful. And yes, you don't feel right about "mac" but have you looked over RC and titus play up to that point?
Luna has to be scum here and it is about a sure thing as you can get...-
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Varsoon- you should really be the last to vote here to avoid you making a wrong call and the BG slamming home the win if you are wrong.
See you as still near guarunteed town. So that leaves me, luna, and mac. Of course Varsoon if you were scum you got the game won regardless and have had it such for awhile. I don't see it. So that leaves me, mac, and luna...
I know I am a GG, the rest of you do not.
Regarding Mac- I do not see a BG playing like RC did...it would be psychologically difficult to pull off...
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of course You would say that...In post 2309, Luna Lovegood wrote:There's a huge elephant in the room you might be missing, especially when you say things like #2307.
not missing anything... I have considered all options... I know I am good, I have examined you and Mac, no mising a thing. But keep on, you are trying to get a win here... I understand.-
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and it is perfectly clear that since Varsoon is on record as suspecting Mac, by nature, it is clear why he is still here.In post 2313, PeaceBringer wrote:
of course You would say that...In post 2309, Luna Lovegood wrote:There's a huge elephant in the room you might be missing, especially when you say things like #2307.
not missing anything... I have considered all options... I know I am good, I have examined you and Mac, no mising a thing. But keep on, you are trying to get a win here... I understand.-
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see, the play makes sense only from the perspective of you being scum, luna.
Mac is scum here, varsoon is dead. It is all about getting the right fit at end game, it is about what you think you can do to get a win.
All it takes is one person to have it wrong. So Varsoon has 2 votes, engages in blustery accusations of Mac. You know you are not going to persuade me otherwise. The ship sailed on me being an easy lynch but there is an off chance of convincing Varsoon to look my way if not with who he has been pointing at. If Mac were scum, no reason to kill off BB Molla over Varsoon as can talk to BBmolla in private and far easier to get the miss. And yes, I realize the double secret, extra special WIFOM scenarios that can happen. Usually, the simplest solution is the solution. The psychology fits in one direction right now...-
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acknowledge what, that I can still be a suspect to varsoon and mac... sure. Interesting if you end up point this way. Of course you kind of have to as long as it is not you it doesn't matter.
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you really are super dense...In post 2321, Varsoon wrote:On the real, I don't trust either of 'em.
PB's doing the scum-dance of WIFOMing the kill in a way that, awkwardly enough, doesn't free him from suspicion.
Mac's being way too quiet and not making the Mac powerplays that I expect from the Mac I love.
I'll probably just sheep Luna for the win (or loss, fuck it, but I'm willing to put my trust into Nacho for one last wild ride).
So, Mac and PB, duke it out. Heaven or Hell! Fight!
don't matter who you vote... I am not scum, I highly doubt make is. Luna has been playing scummy all game long and you are pied to his piper.-
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hey, varsoon... read over the whole slot on Mac. Please explain to me the psychology of RC's play if scum...
followed by Titus, then Mac's play at the tale. You are going on an expectation that is faulty. Add in things from a design perspective. You seriously think balance wise the mod put 2 opposing "cops" together as neighbor with one bad and one good? And then the bad one just initially locked onto the good one? really? And then kills their partner at the end? Ask yourself Varsoon why you are alive, seriously...
Look serious at Nacho's play. Compare it with His record. Seriously.
then explain to me the psychology of my play as scum...Luna himself admitted I would have to be a master manipulative, super good player to pull it off. I am not that good.
Luna-Nacho's play has been one to avoid things and then at the tail here try and engage things think is scummy.-
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oh and Varsoon, regarding ooba and luna's play. You forget they had day talk. Reread it and tell me they were not coordinated. Do not forget that scum around here for some reason naturally bus by first instinct.In post 2320, Varsoon wrote:In post 2311, Luna Lovegood wrote:I do agree that Varsoon is either town or a massive dick, though.
YOU ARE WHAT YOU EAT, MISTER NACHOS.
Anyway, we got to today on the power of belief.
I BELIEVE Luna is town.
Ooba's reactions were too obviously scum hammering town, feeling confident in a win, etc etc etc.
That leaves Mac and PB.
Although I really wish it left PB and J. BADUMTISH~
I have said I think what I can say, I pray you wise up. I am not voting anyone other than Luna.
I suggest Mac and Luna cast their votes and then Varsoon you can make your pick...
right now I do not have much hope.-
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Varsoon- one last attempt to talk sense into you-
as a BG you always want the easiest surest way to a win at end game.
If I were a BG here, I kill you, I leave BBMolla and Mac and Luna. Let them get all paranoid. Now if I went for the double secret spin I would probably just let you convince me of mac being scum.
Mac's easiest path to a win does not involve leaving you alive, as you keep pushing them. With no reason. I had hoped that maybe perhaps you were setting things up so you would be set in this position and pull a "psych." It certainly would be within your realm of play. I see no vantage for Mac here killing BBMolla, no WIFOM that really would make sense.
Luna- This is the perfect situation for luna. Sure he is me suspecting him most of the game, but I have not got the klout to be listened to here. Also a low hanging fruit that is easily suspect. Also Varsoon, face it, Luna knows what you look for and how to manipulate you, pretty sure ooba does as well. I cannot say anything else, the logic, the psychology, all of it points to Luna. Either you can see it or you are too misted by luna... time will tell.-
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well you are very badly mistaken... so you think I am just that super manipulative.In post 2331, Mac wrote:you're ignoring all the obvious signs that point to luna being town. like i said, i think lynching you will result in the win and we're just putting off the inevitable.
I am not ignoring anything about Luna... I know exactly what he has done. The only other option is you... so you think I should be voting you instead? How would I be ignoring anything... the only way a lynch of me will result in a win is if you are scum...
Luna cast you vote, then it is on varsoon. Probably best if you vote mac...