Red Wine Mafia: Game Over

[Albert B. Rampage]

Mod: The B. must always be capitalized.

Vote:Espeonage

Hey Chamber, how's it going?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Unvote, vote Pjovek

I had a habit of posting weird lyrics in my first post as scum, nobody ever caught me on it. It was like a serial killer's ritual.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Unvote, vote Pjovek

I had a habit of posting weird lyrics in my first post as scum, nobody ever caught me on it. It was like a serial killer's ritual.

Easily the most scummy post in this game

vote Alberto Bono Rompage

Selfmeta(1) on something completely meaningless(2), plus some fearmongering(3) on top because why not and to top it off, a shittily justified(4) jump on an easy wagon(5)

Wow 5 scum. So amaze.

It's totally true and provable. This is a legit vote.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I don't get why alberto bono is the wagon that's "insubstantial"

If anything, that's the wagon on me.

I have provided very good substance for the bono wagon, more and better than anything anybody else in this game has. As such I'm only mildly surprised it's actually a thing (for some unfathomable reason people are sometimes averse to listening to me, can't imagine why).

His inability to address it doesn't help his case I'm sure.

I'm more curious as to why other people choose not to comment on it, also not when they're on it, but that is fairly obvious so it's fine, but mainly those that refuse to jump on.

Like you too, you are not giving an opinion on it, you're just making a shallow observation about it. That doesn't help anybody, lest of all yourself.

The OMGUS is strong in this one.

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Unvote, vote Mindgamer

[Albert B. Rampage]

He posted two images and the following post:

I don't care if hes scum or not, Hes getting lynched, we can figure out who the scum are day 2. Hes never going to be anything but disruptive, and is a detriment to the game whether hes scum or not.

Is this assumption based on earlier experience with Pjovek or just on these three pages?

That said, I'll happily join the joker wagon.

Unvote. Vote: Pjovek

I am out of RVS.

This is slightly suspicious (compared to everyone else), because I'd expect scum to ask a question like this and join a bandwagon, seems like a safe move.

To be frank, I voted Pjovek without even reading the next 3 pages, and when I did see the bandwagon on him, I was happy to keep my vote there because we generally get better reads with pressure.

[Albert B. Rampage]

What I said about Pjovek still stands of course, I post lyrics as scum, and it's entirely possible he does as well. There's no reason for town to fluff around and post color in the early game except to show off, which scum is all about. So I still think Pjovek is suspicious (weak read), but Mindgamer is more interesting right now.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Well, I certainly respect your opinion.

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Spoken honestly.

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It's mindgamer. We should lynch mindgamer.

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This game needs to pick up! Can we get more support for Mindgamer?

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I have a town read on fferyllt. I think Mindgamer is still the best lynch for today, considering the content he's been putting out, everyone else looks a little bit more town than him.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Unvote, Vote: Mindgamer

You just went from voting ABR to voting with his really shitty case. His post detailing said case does not seem much different to me from his earlier post that got you to vote him. So all I have to say to this is, "what?"

It doesn't matter, sometimes you can put the noose on scum with unlikely explanations that lead to the lynch.

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Indeed, I am. We need more bandwagoning.

[Albert B. Rampage]

unvote, vote: mindgamer

Pressure wagon please.

Vote mindgamer. At least until we get something out of him, then we might actually have something to play with instead of sitting around twiddling our thumbs at L-5.

I don't like the quotes of Espeonage above.

I get the impression that one of Cabd and ffery is scum, but I really can't point out which one.

I find this slightly scummy as well. I see distancing between BBmolla and Espeonage.

Unvote BBmolla, vote Espeonage

[Albert B. Rampage]

I probably will.

Do not be so easily induced into error by your peers.

[Albert B. Rampage]

So are we lynching Espeonage or not? I can't tell.

[Albert B. Rampage]

So are we lynching Espeonage or not? I can't tell.

Maybe, it depends on whether we can lynch ffery/you or not.

Nope.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Away again for the weekend. See you all real soon!

[Albert B. Rampage]

NOPE.

Unvote, vote BBmolla

[Albert B. Rampage]

Unvote, vote TSO

Why would I be scum? I'm not really too focused on this game right now, I need more kills to determine who is scum.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I'm not OMGUSing?

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Unvote, vote Espeonage

[Albert B. Rampage]

Content is on the way.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I worry you've mixed up ABR "scumminess" with ABR "not giving two continental fucks". Do you really think a guy who has wrote multiple articles could actually be this bad as scum?

Plenty of people are being useless. Chamber has done fuck-all this game. Pjovek has also done nothing for the last idk even pages.

he doesn't give a fuck and is completely surface deep

I don't have the luxury of assuming his mindset. I can only analyze his behavior and actions here. It may be true; he may not give a fuck. But that is not alignment indicative, generally.

I'm flattered, this coming from the master of unreadability himself, but it actually isn't that difficult.

Looks like you changed your mind on ABR though D:

I didn't know I had that reputation. I kinda like having a smokescreen in such a way. And, yeah, ABR's play really turned itself around IMO after that point, starting with...

Pray tell, because they still sound stilted as hell to me.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 9#p5468239 I found this post very interesting because of the hypocritical position ABR takes. I do not think scum-ABR takes such a bait.
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 4#p5468934 The wording+tone of this post is highly indignant and I love it.
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 6#p5470516 The shut down-and-force-a-lynch tactic is one I use all the time as town because it seems presenting cases really isn't in vogue right vs being a useless ass until people come around(I call it the majiffy school of scumhunting).

That's not to go in with ABR's profile this game--minor accusations of lurking, a sense of detachment, not much content, lots of wagon hops. For a player as skilled as ABR, I find it highly likely he would put this little effort into his scumplay. I mean, by god, this is the guy who posted that egotistical "Objectives As Scum" post in Mafia Discussion a while back. In all, he fits the profile of "scum-approved mislynch to a T".

The posts above are all one hundred percent true.

Re: ABR, again, it is

not his words

. It is his

voting pattern

that might as well be a scum claim.

This amuses me. Do you think I've given a moment's thought to any of these votes? The answer is no. I've been reading the thread, and forming a grand total of zero opinions.

It's true to say that forming early and weak opinions is pro-town. I haven't done this, whether due to lack of focus, trying to get laid, volunteering at local charity events or general lack of interest for mafia after getting lynched 4 times in a row in a quick succession, I can't tell. It's also true to say that in such uncertain times as these, it's sometimes better to wait until new evidence surfaces than to forecast.

I'm throwing votes around, trying to get this day over with as early as possible to possibly get some bandwagon and night kill analysis done tomorrow. I haven't got a clue who is scum right now beyond a surface level feeling of disconnection with certain players.

I feel no pressure, either. Complete lack of commitment so far.

Now, we're 45 pages in. I won't ask for a replacement.

Espeonage and BBmolla are my top suspicions. It seems that ETL cannot differentiate detachment from manipulation. Those who claim that if I had scum partners, I'd have some skin in the game to prove myself innocent, are right. Some games, I find passion, and some, I don't.

[Albert B. Rampage]

You should join mine.
We only have incredible beacons of towniness on it such as katsuki, bbmolla, cephrir, especiallythelies or myself

It really can not possibly go wrong.

If we're meant to be together, change the way you see the weather.

Live for now, forget forever, we could still be here December!

[Albert B. Rampage]

My IQ may only be this high once in November. Caffeine is a powerful drug and must be maximized.
I will VOTE: ABR though. This is the chosen wagon of the townblock.

VOTE: ABR

Probably the lynch for today. Espy at least has some town pings.

These two votes are coming out of nowhere, from players who have not indicated any prior suspicion of me. It feels as though you two put as much effort into those votes as I did this entire game. "ABR is the lynch the town has chosen" what kind of logic is that?

It sounds more like what Natirasha said, ABR is the scum-approved mislynch of the day. Not that Natirasha has to be town in order to say that.

Then Pjovek votes me, which is just incomprehensible. I don't think Pjovek is scum so this vote baffles me.

If we could turn our attention somewhere else while I stand back, collect evidence, and win the endgame for the town, that'd be great. Thanks.

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I'm not sure about BBmolla anymore. Doesn't even seem committed to the game enough that I can get a solid read on him.

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It's surprising to me that you latched on to my bandwagon from a month ago, and found nothing that you found suspicious since then.

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In case we are both town, you lynch who you think is scum, Pjovek. Which means some other than us two.

BBMolla, I've been suspicious of the slot since mindgamer.

Unvote Espeonage, vote BBmolla

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I don't think we should speculate on Espeonage's alignment for now. Let's just move on.

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So how about that tons of content you said you had on the way, ABR?

You see, the thing is that I'm not attached to any read. I could honestly go many different ways, since I don't have strong gut reads.

I don't understand what's so town about Katsuki. I find him scummy.

Mindgamer/BBmolla, I've been flip flopping on, and they're not somebody I would carry to Day 2 with me if I had a choice.

I can tell you what I think of Espeonage if you want me to.

I honestly feel exactly like what chamber is posting he is feeling, especially about BBmolla, his commitment to this game, being actually forced to play even when we aren't interested, everything he says is an echo to what I'm thinking.

I like Tammy.

I tend to really hesitate to give Llamarble an early read as I've learned the hard way that he can have a really slow start as town.

This applies to me very much. Extremely slow start this game.

I disagree with most of what ETL says, but I can't really say that I have a scum read on her.

There's just too much uncertainty in the game for me to say, yep, that's the scum right there. I need to see some flips, and then I can analyze the votes and the bandwagons. Right now, nothing is jumping at the screen to me.

[Albert B. Rampage]

You are who I think is scum, which I believe to have made apparant sufficiently.

Because you think that I'm lying about not having strong reads, right?

But what if it was true? Doesn't that explain every single behavior you think is suspicious?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Do you believe yourself to be a decent player?

Not in this game.

You are who I think is scum, which I believe to have made apparant sufficiently.

Because you think that I'm lying about not having strong reads, right?

But what if it was true?

Doesn't that explain every single behavior you think is suspicious?

As for that, no, absolutely not.

List off what behaviors you find suspicious, that cannot be explained by me not having strong reads or a lack commitment towards the game.

[Albert B. Rampage]

1) You say you don't have reads and then the only justification for your latest vote was that you had actually scumread him all along!

Very, very weak gut read.

1.5) Said "scumread" was never even remotely explained

Gut.

2) So you already gotta be lying somewhere in there

No.

3) "Lack of commitment" is a mild way to put it and it's not even the lying part so it counts joke's on you

No.

4) You act condenscending f.e. when you think you're my only scumread (which was not true but I digress), but then you act like there's nothing at all wrong with you not having any scumreads at all, having done no looking-for-scum at all either.

There's nothing scummy about me not having strong reads.

5) You're not even looking for scum

I'm not seeing any that are jumping at the screen.

6) You're blatantly dodging replacements while not playing the game

I don't want to cause trouble for the mod by asking for replacement

[Albert B. Rampage]

Yes, my play right now isn't the best. I have a slow start, I mentioned that already. I'd rate my town play as 7/10, just this game is worse than usual. I can't make up stuff out of nothing, so I have to wait for a few flips to get good reads. Just the way it is.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Right-o.

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ABR what is your read of Ceph, and why do you think I'm scum?

Ceph is scummy based on a gut read. Same as with you.

[Albert B. Rampage]

*resists urge to wade into ffery's line of questioning*

Apparently I'm suddenly scummy! To think, I was starting to think I could play town halfway decently. Oh well, a nice mislynching should disillusion me.

Hey ABR, I can't help but notice a bit of a correlation there. Tell me, how do you feel about Katsuki, Pjovek, ETL, and Llamarble?

I mostly only think you are scum out of this group.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Nati, you think llama-espi-??? team?

Yeah that was a classic "setup your scum partner for slightly off the border claim".

This is a pretty bad line to take without the hindsight of flips.

@ABR, interested in your read on me seeing as you offered. I don't think you're scum and avoiding my lynch would be nice, so I feel working together on this would be helpful, no?

I rather not. Katsuki I may get behind.

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I agree.

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Pjovek, you're just...wrong...

[Albert B. Rampage]

BBmolla, name 3 players you would lynch today?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Unvote, vote cephrir

[Albert B. Rampage]

No, I shan't.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Is Ceph scum because he did what BB would do as scum, while BB isn't scum because he did what Chamber would do as scum? That seems hella weird.

Who is this addressed to? I have no context for this question.

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Tammy was awesome. She had really good opinions about stuff.

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Pjovek, just let me go for today man. Come back tomorrow and vote for me. Just, for today, let's try to focus somewhere else. If you're town, I need your advice on catching the scum to fulfill my win condition. So come vote for me tomorrow, but for today, I can't decide who is scum, and I need you to do me a favor and help me choose my vote.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Tammy was awesome. She had really good opinions about stuff.

How can you tell having no reads and opinions yourself?

I was supportive with her not accusing me of being scum, for the most part.

Why?
I imagine it's about equally bad for you(r faction) if you get lynched tomorrow, so I don't see how that improves things at all, and I am not going to purposely vote off a lesser read just so you can be useless even longer.
Not saying I wouldn't consolidate on okay lynches too, but as of yet I don't see the need for it.

I think you are being useless, Pjovek. Extremely useless.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Unvote, vote espeonage

Never believed the claim.

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I'm here. What happened?

[Albert B. Rampage]

I'm vanilla town. Told you, Pjovek. I told youuuu.

[Albert B. Rampage]

It's a shame, really, because I was relying on Night 1 kills and vote analysis after lynch to get invested into this game. I don't have reads to offer this way. I already said before, I have a slow start and I get more involved after Day 1.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I think scum are inside this group:
Espeonage
natirasha
cephrir
Katsuki
bbmolla