Red Wine Mafia: Game Over

[Katsuki]

Oh yay I'll read through this game after I finish posting some more exerpts from the Mein Kampf

[Katsuki]

(almost tempted to troll chamber by posting exclusively in some other language)

[Katsuki]

So judging by the last page my slot is already obvtown nice

[Katsuki]

Why no walls yet CTD?

Also

Unvote, Vote: ABR

[Katsuki]

I don't get why he'd replace out because of it though.

[Katsuki]

Unvote, Vote: Mindgamer

[Katsuki]

So judging by the last page my slot is already obvtown nice

You think so?

It was sorta kinda ish but then you replaced in and my default action upon seeing your avatar is to assume you're scum.

[Katsuki]

It's not me, it's your face.

Blame kanye for this!

[Katsuki]

Pity, I need a wall to hang my townread on, CTD.

[Katsuki]

Why we voting tammy?

[Katsuki]

I think Katsuki is scum

How interesting. Why?

[Katsuki]

people I will read but won't now: Mindgamer

Just as intersting.

[Katsuki]

Chamber, what do you think of TSO?

[Katsuki]

Giving a cautios early town read to tso due to his paranoia of me. I'd probably just read him as solid town for it but several recent games have had scum refusing to read me due to "paranoia" so.

Taking the above out of consideration, would you still read him as town based on the rest of his play?

[Katsuki]

Espeonage is scum

with

pjo apparently, didn't see that one cumming.

This is quite the lazy post, in more than one way.

[Katsuki]

I think Katsuki is scum

How interesting. Why?

I'll show you in a while, but read the rest of this page. As soon as I called her scum, she embarked on a voyage of discrediting me.

I don't have meta of Katsuki, but I've seen her as scum and she's pretty blatant as that alignment. If you want to see the game, you can.

Do you think she's scum?

No, pretty sure Katsuki is town. I have a solid town-read on him at least.

The supposed discrediting seems delusional at best too.

people I will read but won't now: Mindgamer

Just as intersting.

Take one player out of the list of four I mentioned, and try to subtly discredit me by linking him with me?

God, you're so scum.

Mindgamer is prob scum. You've commented on him before. This post is made to allow you to go either way on Mindgamer, or simply feign ignorance for the player overall.
________________________________

But yeah, considering you've seen my scumplay, it makes your scum read on me all the more interesting.

[Katsuki]

Chamber is pretty certifiably town at this point

How so?

[Katsuki]

I guess we'll see what happens when I break my two games at a time rule! I'm too busy watching teh animes to read the thread right now but I'll be with you shortly.

scumclaim

[Katsuki]

It occurs to me that 15 probably means multiball...
I don't like multiball and should've thought of that in advance.
I guess I'll just hope we're high powered against 3 and a traitor?
But it's probably 3-3-9 or 3-1-11.

Which at least explains how Empire and Tammy can be simultaneously scum without the universe being all wrong.

Hopefully not... Myko advertised this game as being dayplay-centered. Unless there's no NKs, I don't see how multiball could possibly "dayplay centered" given the swinginess of it.

[Katsuki]

Not much need to figure the rest of the game out right now if we already have ABR.

One scum at a time~

[Katsuki]

Mind as well do this today.

Unvote, Vote: ABR

[Katsuki]

Mind as well do this today.

Unvote, Vote: ABR

A shameless vote hop, I just don't get it.

A shameless scum post, I just don't get it.

[Katsuki]

Unvote

I'll come up with a better spot for this vote later, it really didn't serve its purpose where it was.

Tammy is still my biggest read, empire pings me as pretty terrible for not mentioning at all where his scum reads lie. However I'm not seeing this supposed empire/tammy thing that Llama seems to.

I get the impression that one of Cabd and ffery is scum, but I really can't point out which one. One is stringing along another to stay away from having to engage with the rest of the game, just not sure which way that goes. And I want this isolated banter to end. So if you are the townie in that couple, please make an active attempt to get into the gritty of todays play. If only so we can get a good read on the other.

Outside of them, I'm not getting anything bigger than little pings from various people for isolated reasons. Still not happy with Mindgamer, I'm hoping ABR gets more interested closer to deadline otherwise he's pinging me, I have no read whatsoever on Project thus far. Everyone else is sitting in my town to townish pool.

I want to name this guy Supersaint because I don't want him lynched ever ever ever just for this.

Please walk me through your thought process as to how this is town.

[Katsuki]

I want to name this guy Supersaint because I don't want him lynched ever ever ever just for this.

damnit

I wanted to refute your read, so I went back to his ISO to pull some posts that I didn't like from earlier, and on reread I'm not hating them. Some of them I even like.

Unvote

I'm going to try a complete reread.

[Katsuki]

I don't town-tell. I don't obvtown.

I wish you did. >.>

[Katsuki]

Less dota and more catching up sir, your slot does not look good.

[Katsuki]

Is ABR your godfather or something?

[Katsuki]

/inb4entiredayofdiretide

[Katsuki]

Guys I already explained why Katsuki was scum. Free towncred available. let's go.

If anything, the only thing you've explained is how you're scum trying to push a mislynch that will result in your death instead.

[Katsuki]

I think I'm meant to be scared by your constant crappy accusations

Meh it's gonna result in a bullet to your head so~

[Katsuki]

Also holy shit people underestimate chamber

?

[Katsuki]

10/10 would lynch katsuki over TSO

hue

you should see the game where I won as scum over TSO. His play there was completely different, as is mine here. Probably has to do with an alignment swap.

His push here is insincere at best, and pretty much BS.

[Katsuki]

I never played with UN, but I don't think he shitposted quite this badly?

hue

[Katsuki]

10/10 would lynch katsuki over TSO

hue

you should see the game where I won as scum over TSO. His play there was completely different, as is mine here. Probably has to do with an alignment swap.

His push here is insincere at best, and pretty much BS.

Want to see another reason Katsuki is scum? He twists facts to suit his shit.

The one game I played with Katsuki, his play

was exactly the same as here.

Lurked like fuck and let town get each other hung. He is not a subtle scumplayer.

My play was different because Saki antagonised me to the point of force-replacement. Katsuki doesn't mention this, because it suits his agenda to change facts to suit his agenda.

Katsuki saying his play in this game is different isn't really fact twisting IMO. But, it's on him to explain what is different, not just to call it different.

Also,

@Katsuki

what makes you feel that a huge kerfuffle between Saki and TSO in another game makes that game a good baseline for town TSO? I've played a few games with TSO, and this game looks pretty town. I haven't played a game with him as scum though. I've done a recent meta dive, and the two scum games I looked at were inconclusive. They were very different from each other, and both games had some commonalities with his town play. I may write this up in more detail later but probably not unless my read grows uncertain.

The BS he's spewing this game is insincere, and if anything he's the one twisting stuff. Cephir's already said a lot on how my play does not match what TSO has been making my play out to be.
Also, the fight between saki and TSO is irrelevant to anything and I'm not sure why you're bringing it up? (It's not what made him town, and not the difference between his play here and there that's alignment indicative )

@Cephir: The mindgamer post was more so, TSO had mentioned mindgamer before, then when the wagon happened, he decided to stick mindgamer in null and say "I'll read later" (when his iso consisted of maybe 5 posts at most). Line of thinking there was, if mindgamer is scum, TSO is conf scum based on numerous factors of his play.

[Katsuki]

Also, the fight between saki and TSO is irrelevant to anything and I'm not sure why you're bringing it up? (It's not what made him town, and not the difference between his play here and there that's alignment indicative )

I brought it up because he said that was the basis for your calling his play different in this game. What did made him town in that game?

Now you have him putting words in my mouth.

The biggest difference I would say is the degree of genuineness. You could see his townie intent that game. Aka, the motivation behind his posts there was townmotivated, where as here it drips scum intent.

@Cephir: The mindgamer post was more so, TSO had mentioned mindgamer before, then when the wagon happened, he decided to stick mindgamer in null and say "I'll read later" (when his iso consisted of maybe 5 posts at most). Line of thinking there was, if mindgamer is scum, TSO is conf scum based on numerous factors of his play.

What are your thougts about BBmolla?

I dunno he can be town for the hearthstone post.

[Katsuki]

?

?

[Katsuki]

?

?

The bit I bolded in your post that I quoted.

It's not like I voted mindgamer because I thought he was town.

[Katsuki]

Espeonage's posts are all terrible so my vote is in a good place

BB! Do we finally get to be town together again?!?

Yes. 80% sure.

You're only 80% sure you're town >_>

Molla is a very uncertain child.

[Katsuki]

?

?

The bit I bolded in your post that I quoted.

It's not like I voted mindgamer because I thought he was town.

You think BMolla is town but you're drawing potential associations with the slot based on it flipping scum.

That was my line of thinking however many days ago that was (maybe 3-5?, forget and too lazy to check when). It was a weaker read though. I do find TSO by far more scummy than that slot was at any time though.

[Katsuki]

Hearthstone post wasn't even a joke keep twisting shit, scum!

[Katsuki]

That was the intention, yes.

I don't.

Do you agree with my read on him?

No. I p much disagree, but my Katsuki-town model is pretty sketchy and the scum model is nonexistant.

I want to review some of Katsuki's scum games in the next day or two. The two games we've played, we were both town. And the one where we were both in the game to the bitter end, we didn't read each other very well.

re-read DotA and don't let the TSO-Saki shitpool prevent you from seeing Katsuki clearly

Dota mafia would be a good start. You can see TSO for the obvscum he is here!

As for my play there, I was obvscum the entire game. It's quite distinct from my townplay.

I want to review some of Katsuki's scum games in the next day or two. The two games we've played, we were both town. And the one where we were both in the game to the bitter end, we didn't read each other very well.

Ew. Maybe the people who were voting you were on to something.

Maybe.


p.s. will quote these in properly when I get back

damn this guy so gud

[Katsuki]

The thing is, your play is exactly like Dot:A. So you're scum. Simple, really.

LOL BEST JOKE IVE HEARD SO FAR

Dota I pretty much never read, and prod-dodged my way through the whole game. Everyone had me read as scum for a reason.

DIE SCUM DIE SUCK DIE

[Katsuki]

Hardly.

[Katsuki]

^@Pjovek

If you can't see the BS and twisting in those TSO statements (the things he say aren't the things I've been saying in this game thread), then either you're just obnoxiously ignorant and obtuse, or need to go back to the newbie thread. ^^

[Katsuki]

You have a townread on TSO? :/

[Katsuki]

I dunno his entire play this game has been fake.

[Katsuki]

VLA for today because all da cool kids doing it

Also VCAs with no flips best VCA

[Katsuki]

Your slot is incredibly scummy nati what do you have to say for yourself

[Katsuki]

Your slot is incredibly scummy nati what do you have to say for yourself

Am I scummy or Empire scummy?

eh just felt like seeing what you'd say I have no idea what your slot is.

[Katsuki]

It makes me very sad that no-one agrees with me.

It makes me very sad that you're scum.

[Katsuki]

you forgot to give your reasoning, Kat.

You received a scum role PM.

^Irrefutable reasoning.

[Katsuki]

Oh yeah Nati is towntowntown.

Please help me lynch ABR and TSO, they're scum. TSO especially (you modded dota so you know how his play there and here differ in addition to his consistant BS of trying to link my play there to here despite it being vastly different).

[Katsuki]

Oh yeah Nati is towntowntown.

Please help me lynch ABR and TSO, they're scum. TSO especially (you modded dota so you know how his play there and here differ in addition to his consistant BS of trying to link my play there to here despite it being vastly different).

He seems to be doing the same? He has a tendency toward flamey deathtunnels. You know what I'm seeing here? A flamey deathtunnel. I think you're both mispurposed in this fight.

I couldn't care less if it were flamy. It's the way he's pushing it, it drips scum bloodlust.

[Katsuki]

Do you think TSO would push a case he knows he won't get a lynch on today so hard?

I don't see why not?

[Katsuki]

Doesn't even seem committed to the game

funny you should be saying that

[Katsuki]

shit deadline is approaching and i havent been reading.

hopefully catch up tomorrow if not tonight.

[Katsuki]

Is there a particular reason why you disagree with the ABR wagon, Chamber?

[Katsuki]

So I never caught up on the end of the last day but I'm feeling better about chamber.

While I'd love to promise a catch up someday, given my recent lack of motivation I doubt I'll ever catch up on the pages I missed.

I did think cephir was town given how he was pointing out the things regarding me/TSO that I was wanting to say so. >.>

The post above mine is pretty bad though.

Vote: Guy

[Katsuki]

I still think TSO is scum though and my read is further reinforced by [REDACTED] though so I'll probably save my thoughts on that.

[Katsuki]

I still think TSO is scum though and my read is further reinforced by [REDACTED] though so I'll probably save my thoughts on that.

So the guy defending you was scum, yet you still think I'm scum, because Cephrir likes to land me in shit by derailing my case as a scumbuddy.

God.

because bussing doesn't exist.

I trust my gut above anything and everything. Plus I have other reasoning that leads me to believe that you're 100% scum here.

[Katsuki]

And bussing is when Cephrir attacks me, which has purpose. Cephrir defending you has no purpose. Don't twist.

I still think TSO is scum though and my read is further reinforced by [REDACTED] though so I'll probably save my thoughts on that.

So the guy defending you was scum, yet you still think I'm scum, because Cephrir likes to land me in shit by derailing my case as a scumbuddy.

God.

[Katsuki]

unvote, vote: esp

[Katsuki]

I feel like katsuki is the most likely option in case 2.

I'dve shot you until you dropped dead if I were scum, sadly.

[Katsuki]

She seems quite mello to me.

[Katsuki]

I'm not quite sure Dot:A is as applicable as I thought, seeing as it's the worst Town performance I've ever read. Terrible scum too, just worse Town.

Katsuki lurked the whole game and she was 'out of sight, out of mind.'

Yet you were calling that my play in this game.

[Katsuki]

lolno

Vote: pjovek

[Katsuki]

When I have like no leads to really go on. When I feel like anything I say will not effect the game(things like, call out Espeon since my entry of the game->get scumread for it). When I'm out of the limelight(kind of an attention whore). When weekends come along(phoneposting is annoying). When the people I typically engage are similarly listless(Cabd+ffery for example). When we're sufficiently far enough ahead that I stop caring about the lynches. When activity is low and/or boring. When more other games are either more interesting or are more mentally taxing(>ongoings, although for an easy example, my play this game was severely hampered by games such as this one).

Well here's a starter: Why's your townread on me waning?

[Katsuki]

Vote: Katuski

Being a douchebag doesn't make you mafia. But being Katuski does.

I'm always mafia, but why specifically in this case?

Well here's a starter: Why's your townread on me waning?

It naturally has to wane over time, especially as I have people I think are more likely to be town?

Why naturally has to wane over time?
The second part I can follow though.

[Katsuki]

Well it's hard to have leads persay when there's already 2 dead scum with so many townies alive.

[Katsuki]

^Yes, please. I'm curious to see where this Kats counterwagon goes.

[Katsuki]

(also amusing, pjo and proj are pushing kats-scum without actually giving a shred of reasoning as to WHY I'm scum)

[Katsuki]

Chamber you think there's any possibility of a 11/4 here? :/

[Katsuki]

(also amusing, pjo and proj are pushing kats-scum without actually giving a shred of reasoning as to WHY I'm scum)

Funny, isn't it?
Only it's happened to me for 3 days now.

Not really, the scenarios are actually quite different.

[Katsuki]

It goes without saying that this wagon on me is lolzy.

Whats keeping you from votoing?

[Katsuki]

You mind as well revote. There's no point dragging this day on for say another week.

[Katsuki]

I agree the pjovek lynch is looking much tastier than Kat at the moment. I wanna kinda look at TSO tomorrow too, pending stuffs.

About time.

[Katsuki]

I can't fathom why town would be apathetic in a game that's going so well.

[Katsuki]

Quickwagoning is an effective way of combating apathy.

[Katsuki]

Is there some reason you don't want people to do their homework tonight?

Do it over night with the benefit of an additional flip?

I just extremely dislike the current site meta of dragging days out longer than need be. Wastes time and leads to general disinterest.

[Katsuki]

Yes actually. Doing some reading now, and some content once i'm out of the hot tub.

You're not afraid of dropping whatever electronic you're holding, and possibly leading to the malfunction of said electronic or something even worse? :/

[Katsuki]

I really want to say someone hammer pjo since your analysis seems like the type that'll take 2 days to type out. :S

[Katsuki]

I really want to say someone hammer pjo since your analysis seems like the type that'll take 2 days to type out. :S

It will, you'll live. Just post pictures of cute muffins or something while you wait.

I've never seen someone actually ask for me to fluff post.

[Katsuki]

Well, it's better than you're normal routine.

Hmph. People aren't allowed to ever complain again about my fluffposting then.

[Katsuki]

Hurry up with that case, TSO. I'm waiting with baited anticipation!

[Katsuki]

That case. I lol'd.

[Katsuki]

I would've shot TSO N1.

[Katsuki]

we're looking for TSO

[Katsuki]

I like how many days you guys have wasted so far. Prob could've started day 4 by now.

[Katsuki]

I'm sure you'd prefer to mislynch people faster, yes.

If I were scum I'd be fine with stalling this game out for as long as I can to induce maximum apathy.

[Katsuki]

That's what I'd like to know. Only thing I can think of is that he was targeted for the kill directly.

Vote: TSO

[Katsuki]

Elite Bodyguard just kills on successful protect, IIRC?

From the elite bodyguards ive seen at least

[Katsuki]

Let the investigative role do whatever they want IMO.

[Katsuki]

Also tso is still scum.

[Katsuki]

gl with that haha.

Could you answer Chamber's question at least?

[Katsuki]

I'm not sure why so many people were calling me town in DN though my D1 play was pretty town.

Why did you think I was town even in lategame anyways

[Katsuki]

Bodyguards die with the kill, though. They just kill who killed who they were protecting.

[Katsuki]

It's not like he was a bad lynch.

More importantly who's scum?

[Katsuki]

Yeah like that great irrefutable case you posted on me yesterday, right?

[Katsuki]

welp this is the only remaining game of mine, and it's dead here what do.

I'll prob just lurk until we get some more ppl dead but TSO is guaranteed scum so.

Speaking of which.
He "KNEW" I was town in DN mafia because he knows I'm town here, and he thought my play there resembled my play here. I have never played any completed town games with TSO before, there is no other way he could have been so certain I was town in that game.
He had the benefit of knowing I was town here because he is scum. Please lynch accordingly thanks.

[Katsuki]

votecount

TSO (1): katsuki
katsuki (1): TSO

Not voting (9): guyett, projectmatt, chamber, natirasha, cabd, fferyllt, bbmolla

With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch.

ffery is hiding, molla is hiding, nati is hiding and guyett is hiding. Constant prod dodges and posting no opinions is not worth a fucking damn.

PEDIT: THANK YOU LORD

Uhhh no.

I'm trying to work through the snarl of your and katsuki's last couple of posts. Something doesn't add up.

You've noticed this, then.

He "KNEW" I was town in DN mafia because he knows I'm town here, and he thought my play there resembled my play here. I have never played any completed town games with TSO before, there is no other way he could have been so certain I was town in that game.
He had the benefit of knowing I was town here because he is scum.

This post says, paraphrased:

-TSO knew Katsuki was Town in Death Note, because TSO knows Katsuki is Town here.

Katsuki's play in Death Note, where he was scum, and here are identical.

I was Town in Death Note and here. Katsuki was scum in Death Note and here. The above quote suits this combination.

The quote takes a while to work your head around, but bear with it. It's really hard to articulate in words.

I could point out one or two more flaws, but this is yet another damning slip.

This is probably the biggest pile of BS I have yet to read.

YOU HAD THE BENEFIT OF KNOWING MY ALIGNMENT IN THIS GAME, BECAUSE YOU KNOW I AM NOT SCUM (WITH YOU)
THEN WHEN DN MAFIA STARTED, YOU SAW THE SIMILARITIES OF MY PLAY FROM

THIS GAME

IN THAT GAME

IT IS NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND, UNLESS YOU WANT TO TWIST YOUR BS TO SAY THAT THIS GAME STARTED BEFORE THAT GAME

I'm saying that TOWNTSO read scumkats as TOWN DUE TO HAVING KNOWLEDGE of KATSTOWN play due to THIS GAME. It is scum being misread as town, not vice versa. Thanks for trying though.

[Katsuki]

Katsuki if this is your only game, do me a favor and solve it for me.

I am. TSO is scum. I solved this D1.

[Katsuki]

@Molla: Lets say that if I were scum here, with 2 dead scum, I'd be doing a hell lot more to get my mislynches, a la anything goes.

Who's scum anyways? I'm handing you scum on a platter and you seem to think scum lies elsewhere.

[Katsuki]

That's not the townchamber I'm accustomed to.

As an aside, if this is one of those games where town's just gonna entertain katsscum for the rest of the game I'd rather we get the mislynch over with today rather than later down the road so I don't have to keep up with the game.

[Katsuki]

That's not the townchamber I'm accustomed to.

I typically have periods in games where I'm like this. I just normally express it by letting other wagons form and stuff without me and then just voting without saying anything. But no other wagons are just forming for me to sheep.

I realize that I'm more accustomed to your f2f play, and that I typically have trouble reading you right on forums, but you're suppose to be supertownchamber... the above is the stuff I do, not you. >: (

[Katsuki]

Probably. I always get gut-feelings that you're scum, but I'm not really going to consider that until I get my TSO-lynch.
I don't think I've seen forum scumchamber before so.

[Katsuki]

Actually, I completely forgot that you were the one that drove the esp lynch.

:/

[Katsuki]

Goddamnit chamber.

[Katsuki]

Gotta out those PRs obv

[Katsuki]

Now I'm really confused why you even wanted a mass claim, TSO.

Oh, and I want Katsuki to claim.

Yeah lemme tell my biggest scumspect what my roles is wait-........... ok

[Katsuki]

If you're that despserate to know what my role is just NK me jesus its not hard

[Katsuki]

Guy why are you still voting me? Who else is scum?

[Katsuki]

Hey TSO if I claim cop with a cop guilty on you will you drop the push for me to claim?

[Katsuki]

Man TSO post-game its gonna be fun to go over how your play is a prime example of how NOT to play as scum

[Katsuki]

He's individually scummy for the amount of misrepping and twisting he's done on me this game but I'm lazy and not the type of player that will go and quote every single instance of it and compile it into a case. Have you read his "irrefutable cases" and other BS he's written about me so far this game? It's not a case of being simply not knowing, he's done it this game with intent.

[Katsuki]

Those on the Kats wagon need to vote TSO.

[Katsuki]

If I were going to vote right this minute I'd probably vote Katsuki.

Why?

[Katsuki]

fuck that bacd vote was bad. Please kill that with fire after we're through with TSO if the game is not yet over.

[Katsuki]

this activity

[Katsuki]

You aren't really helping any/

Well my only contribution would be continued calls for TSO-scum, which is quite detrimental at this point so better to not post. :S

[Katsuki]

I'm a VT.

There is wrong with how many players have been sitting back, but since we know that most of these are town, y'all better shape up...

[Katsuki]

There;s absolutely nothing to be gained from a massclaim at this point.

[Katsuki]

There are mysteries. I don't know that they need solution yet. Maybe not at all.

Trying to figure them out at deadline is not a means of success. If massclaim were to happen it should've been at day-start, where there was no need for it today. Do the massclaim tmr if you guys have to.

[Katsuki]

I'm curious who the scum on my wagon are aside from TSO.

[Katsuki]

cabd

Probably.

[Katsuki]

Cabd really needs rope.

[Katsuki]

Well you guys suck.

HAPPY NEW YEARS TSO!

[Katsuki]

As if, I never get lynched as scum.

[Katsuki]

Thanks for the game and setup, myko! It was very skill-shot based.

[Katsuki]

I'm still quite annoyed at how apathetic town because though, it really should not have happened when it did.

I even held back on my screaming for TSO-blood too in hopes that town could do something with my silence.