Mobile Suit Gundam SEED Mafia - Game Over

[Natirasha]

I proudly lynch town, but don't ask me to even consider lynching scum...

It would be wrong of me to not claim the wagons that I started, yes.

[Natirasha]

The lack of more than one NK last night could be for multiple things. Since an RB didn't declare a target, then we can hope for a doc, or that mafia tried to NK Pie and he's got some BP protection.

And if that's the case (and even if not), scum would rather see the SK lynched than taking him out themselves. Why would they want to waste one of their plays which move them towards their wincon when they can use the town's lynch to do so?

So, I see

A WHOLE LOT

more scum motivation to push Pie's lynch hardcore for scum than I see for town. We know we're fighting an uphill battle, but frankly a mislynch and NK is normal mafia, so I don't even feel we are behind. As a matter of fact, we are actually ahead because we caught the SK, and they are usually pains in the asses to find and catch.

And we are doubly ahead, since the SK is acting as the town vig and cleaning up the fringes. Since there will be scum in the fringes, this will work.

With that said, aside from Wake and Majiffy pushing the Pie lynch, there are going to be the "silent" partners. They are going for the SK lynch lynch because hey, it ain't them, but they will also not risk all the scumteam on pushing for the SK lynch.

So, first I'll look at that and the other dissolving wagons of day1 and day2.

Thanks for explaining my thoughts better than I can.

Also you have a point on Levi, might move in that direction soon.

[Natirasha]

If I cannot get enough leverage to lynch the supposed Serial Killer, then I should be the one to control him. I already foresee select suspects disagreeing with it. Let me control him, and I will make sure we have more-than-made-up our minds to use him. We also need to decide when we should lynch him, too.

Wow. Ego, much?

[Natirasha]

Sakura

, Pie's response was self preservationist because she pretty much said to me, "I will

shoot

within one target but I would rather have a pool so I can always hit town."

Ah, but if the scum do have a doc(a fact I think they don't right now), then a pool is better. As it stands, I think a single target is probably fine.

Stal's wagon sucks sorry.

Nati

is a much better wagon if you are not in favor of leashing the SK. Nati votes anyone but confscum. She has to reaction test others but knows the SK is fine without reaction testing.

No one

should believe that.

A misconception we must clear. While I did say I was "reaction testing" in regards to the votes we discussed earlier, it was truthfully not my intention--I recommend you (re)read the events leading up to my vote swaps: I had multiple sheeping my vote for most of the early day one, which meant by definition I had to jump from wagon to wagon to utilize my obvtown status(seriously, go check how many times someone calls me obvtown in the early game, even I was objecting to it).

[Natirasha]

Those who make excuses to not join my wagon against SK, AND wrinkle their noses at me shackling/controlling SK... are either Scum or horrid Town.

Wake, I just wanna say that you need to take a step back and realize that while you might've played mafia for 6+ years, the people in this game(and on this site in general) do not know you and have no reason to believe you are anyone important or that your opinions are actually useful. I'm sorry, but it has to be said. To us, you're nothing but another newb. I'm begging you--please get some self-awareness and prove to use that you are a player worth your salt.

In this game, the only basis for us to have any faith in you at all is due to your entrance to the thread and the tracker claim. You initially waffled on the SK-lynch in a way to me suggests that you have daytalk buddies who want to push that lynch, and you moved to it after they told you to. This "my way or the highway" mentality you are currently spewing is at best anti-town. I ask that you open your mind and listen to what people or saying--especially because one person shouldn't control the SK's kill(well except the SK but we just kill them).

[Natirasha]

K bro. I understand how that post can be construed as attacking Wake's character(and thus the pie wagon to an extent), but what exactly are your reasonings here? Just pre-empting Titus so you can say you're not sheeping her?

[Natirasha]

Cool, I got a scummy gut hunch too.

[Natirasha]

Well, it's you, so that's something. Your position on Pie has been very confusing--although perhaps that is a town tell? You've mostly not done much this game. Lots of blank votes, lots of "I'm obviously town". It's curious.

[Natirasha]

so your scummy gut huch is maybee a town tell and curious

It's a debated confused tell and a curious, to be specific.

[Natirasha]

Nat is probably scum. Pie might actually be scum with him.

Do you do stuff?

[Natirasha]

Why are you saying Nacho has more info than the rest of us Waynegg?

He's implying Nacho's scum, Titus.

[Natirasha]

I think minimum three of them are. Voting the SK is, like, the definition of refusing to play the game.

[Natirasha]

Why is it refusing to play the game? The SK must be lynched, it prevents a worst case scenario, and gives us plenty of information to work with regarding who was for it and who was against it.

It doesn't give any information. Both alignments have reason to want the SK lynched. The only way it gives info is if pie is

not

the SK.

[Natirasha]

Natirasha, hardly.

It gives info based on who is risk averse versus who is a risk taker. If someone deviates from that profile, then it is more likely than not they are scum. By itself, it isn't alignment indicative. However, as the game progresses, and with meta, we can determine who is acting off based on the profile.

Fair point.

yeah speaking of that note how Titus's whole mantra is "lynch the SK"

so he's not even considering that I might not really be SK. guess why? cause his scumteam has 5-6 people on it and therefore he knows it's not multiball

Titus isn't scum.

[Natirasha]

90% sure.

[Natirasha]

If I left Svenst, I'd go for leviathan right now, Pie.

[Natirasha]

If I left Svenst, I'd go for leviathan right now, Pie.

lol

lol

[Natirasha]

I leave pie, you leave Svenst, we both lynch Levi. Deal?

Deal.

VOTE: Leviathan

[Natirasha]

This is all sorts of wrong.

Sakura, you might want to check your work on Levi scum. As the confirmed SK, the blood-thirsty vampire who can't drink SK blood and an opportunist all piled on Levi at once.

Oooh! Oooh! Which am I?

[Natirasha]

What % do you think I'm scum, Titus?

[Natirasha]

Do you have any alts on this site?

I think it's a little early to put a percentage on it but I'd say 75% scum. That voting pattern doesn't really look town to me.

Do you include hydras? I can list all my alts if you want.

[Natirasha]

Alright, sure, in order of age.

Nicol Bolas
Tarmogoyf(these two will be of little use to you--they're from 2008)
Hooker Punch
Garruk Relentless

My other two hydrae have no completed games and are useless to your metadive. As usual, my wiki has a list of all of my games since I returned to the site. Have fun!

[Natirasha]

Oooh, who did you think? I wanna know!

[Natirasha]

I always look scummy in games.

lol

you want to lynch me? go ahead. but before I die, I want to know, what happens after my flip? What will people do if I flip town? we will be left no where other then the option to kill the known SK.

lol

[Natirasha]

I'm completely willing to call your bluff. I hate the reasoning "I always look scummy" as an excuse for bad play--you know how you get better at looking not scummy? PLAY BETTER.

[Natirasha]

Holy crap Nati - I replaced your useless Nicol Bolas behind in Open 509

No, that's NicolBolas. I have Nicol Bolas. You can tell which one is which by the fact mine has a sexy 2008 join date.

[Natirasha]

I'm going to put it really simply; if Pie isn't lynch today, I'm replacing out. Because fuck this game.

If you don't want to have to wait on a town PR to catch up on something like 130+ pages (because, realistically, that's what we're likely to be at by the end of the day phase) then do the pro-town thing and

LYNCH THE FUCKING CLAIMED SCUM

.

I, too, am considering replacing out.

Kdub's game is wonderful. However, noob/bad/stupid "Town," who keep making excuses to not lynch the supposed SK, is beyong aggravating. Not kdub's fault. They'll likely lynch another Townie, and another Townie will likely get killed by SK.

One should never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.

Then get the fuck out. I'm sticking to my guns.

[Natirasha]

Sven, when someone is so obstinately, stubbornly, and hopelessly wrong that it gets to the point that it's an extreme impediment to Town, it's time to take a squat and shit it out.

I'm fucking sick of the decision by some to support the SK. It's time to cut our losses and get back to hunting Scum.

What's stopping you from scumhunting right now?

[Natirasha]

Pray tell how many scum you've forced to claim in this game.

Zero? Thought so. And you're voting the guy who made the SK claim.

Mmkay.

With all the power role claims this game, we surely have

some

scum in the list.

[Natirasha]

Sakura, step away from the possible and look at the likely. Create a plan as if Pie will be lynched.

When he flips SK we kill one of the numerous people on the wagon. I think the ones most likely to flip are Empking and Svenskt.

If he flips factional scum, then take Sakura or I's head, I'll even give you the knife.

[Natirasha]

Nati, why kill one of the people on the wagon if Pie is the SK? Woyldn't those likely be null for reasons we have already discussed?

It is trying to figure out who has the

least

reason to vote for pie. Empking silently hopped on the wagon, I think he's mostly using it as an excuse to not contribute more than he was. Svenskt is, well, look at him.

[Natirasha]

Levi is suspect--he's hiding behind the SK, but also not, but backed off when he came under the spotlight. The reasoning that "convinced" him is, like, empirically bad. Then his neighbor is also saying he's scum. The fact he has Svenskt helping him doesn't do favors either since I think they're both scum.

PEDIT: Sakura, we have a good counterwagon already.

[Natirasha]

Wake's doing everything to discredit those who disagree with him.

Pyro, please vote Levi.

I can use bold too.

[Natirasha]

Beli falls into that category too.

I read his vote a begrudgingly joining it because of all the noise pie is creating.

[Natirasha]

Wait we have three claimed trackers?

[Natirasha]

Then what was Svenskt's claim again?

[Natirasha]

Wake, why did you initially, upon entry to the thread, want to leash the SK?

[Natirasha]

That's a bullshit claim of proficiency. Show me in 10 other MS games where Kdub has given any single specific PR fakeclaim to scum complete with flavor.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 5#p4242995

Take a gander, this is KDub's last modded game and he gave

very

detailed fakeclaims to the scum.

[Natirasha]

For what it's worth, I'd rather pie shoot wake than lynch him.

[Natirasha]

Him, Majiffy and Waynegg, tho Majiffy to a bigger extent, waynegg was too but he has stayed silent for a while.

I can buy that jiffy is just blockhead town, but waynegg is pretty sketch at the moment.

[Natirasha]

*I need to calm down. Getting pissed again. I think I'll post a thread after this game titled "When Townies go Bad." Or go on Dr. Phil.

I can't fucking wait for pie to shoot two scum and win us the game.

[Natirasha]

except belaruse. i like that kid.

[Natirasha]

This may come down to Kanye and Pyro.

I'm not lynching Kanye.

[Natirasha]

think he means to break the deadlock.

Has a point there. What side you thinking at the moment?

[Natirasha]

My pool would be {Empking, Wake, Svenskt, [Levi]} at the moment, but I'm coming around to designating a single target actually--I think it's sufficiently clear there are no redirectors in this game.

PEDIT: Sell me on Nacho-scum, kanye.

[Natirasha]

FIRST, would anyone like to volunteer to be in the pool?

lol

[Natirasha]

I don't see any universe where pie shoots me, Wake. Also, what kanye said.

[Natirasha]

If we don't lynch pie for the love of god shoot me and put me out of my fucking misery.

But I think you might actually be town.

[Natirasha]

And I think I'm being held in this game against my will.

You may not die until I say so.

[Natirasha]

PEdit: I'm saying that what you're doing is not making me want to follow what you say. In fact it's quite the opposite, and I think it's the same for most players here, who have expressed interest in killing you even if you're town. Seriously, if you want people to take you seriously, you probably need to take a different approach.

Word. I really want Wake to have nothing to do with the pool. If I had to choose one person to choose who pie shoots, it'd be Kanye.

PEDIT; Ugh, whatever, Empking, Svenskt, Wake.

[Natirasha]

@Sakura, Sven is tryin to get under my skin. Must resist.

Just report and move on.

[Natirasha]

So is your scumteam wayne like me/Sakura/kanye/pie?

[Natirasha]

Although I do sometimes I have doubts, I still don't think that Wake can be scum.

Who said anything about Wake being scum?

[Natirasha]

I did. And still do.

I go back and forth. The sticking point for me was that he wanted to leash at the beginning of the game.

[Natirasha]

Change it to Levi then I guess, I dunno.

[Natirasha]

lol

[Natirasha]

I always thought you could read Nat...guess not

After one game?

[Natirasha]

I want someone(preferably kanye or Peregrine) to sell me on Nacho-scum. Empking definitely needs rope though.

[Natirasha]

Why can't Wayne sell you on Nachoscum? Facts are facts regardless of the speaker.

Because I'm not in the mood for moonlogic at the moment.

I'm looking at that myself. He has 20 more posts than me, but for the life of me I can't recall having an opinion on him nor any of his opinions.

Can you, without looking back?

He was defending Empking I think? I know he was in favor of leashing pie, too. Otherwise, yeah...

[Natirasha]

Curious: Do any of the non-deathtunnelers mind swinging onto Empking?

[Natirasha]

What does everyone else think of this? Do you think I should go ahead and do as Titus says?

Go for it.

[Natirasha]

Nat - since you softed in your like first post, can you tell me if you are more important of a pr than a non-consecutive tracker? I don't want to know what it is, just a yes or no would suffice.

I will say that I have crumbed my role a fuckton, but no?

[Natirasha]

I'm curious by your interest in me, though.

[Natirasha]

I don't think we're really getting anywhere else today, Sakura.

VOTE: Empking

[Natirasha]

*Watches as people decide to vote for an inactive player rather than confScum

Legit Empking's done shit since minute one.

[Natirasha]

You've been a huge bully since replacing in, Wake. Its not meant to be alander--just truth.

[Natirasha]

Damn, getting kanye to use caps! Now,

that's

impressive.

[Natirasha]

lol

[Natirasha]

lol

Wayne, take a deep breath and stop.

[Natirasha]

Wayne...I've been told you're terrible, that I should ban you from any game ever, but I believe in the best of people...please?

[Natirasha]

I really have trouble believing anything Smoking says when its so phoned in. He's definitely pretending to be worse than he is.

[Natirasha]

Empking. I was on my phone, autocorrect happened.

[Natirasha]

It seems like we are the only two on. Time for Socratic alignment Deduction if you are game.

Out of the wagon to lynch Pie, who is most likely town? Why? (exclude me)

Out of the wagon to leash the sk, who is most likely scum? Why?

I know nothing about ancient Greek philosophers, but alright, let's do this.

pieguyn (8) - Wake88, waynegg, Empking, Majiffy, Titus, Belisarius, leviathan93, Svenskt Stål

Of this list, I would say Empking, leviathan and Svenskt are the three most likely to flip scum.
Empking-Has been a lurksack all game. A look at his iso reveals, well, not much--a lot of reasonless votes. He's mostly only responded to people when they accuse him of something. He claims mastin was a "town-motivated kill", which I think most people would agree is distinctly not the case. His first comment today was simply saying I'm scum with pie--after Wake/Jiffy/wayne all said that: I see it as an easy hop-on to this gonna-happen-eventually wagon. Finally, and this is a bit odd, but join date analysis reveals that he's voting pie for curious reasons.
Leviathan-mostly useless all game, his neighbor has openly called him out as scum. He hides behind this "I'm always scummy!" reasoning which I have, in the past, policy lynched people over. He's going to be useless all game even if town.
Svenskt-pretty much just gut.

leviathan93 (2) - PeregrineV, AGar
Empking (6) - Pyrotechnics, Sakura Hana, DeasVail, Natirasha, pieguyn, talah
Wake88 (1) - kanyeknowsbest
Not voting (1) - NachoKoopa

these are the players in the leash pool, presumably. Of these, excluding the claimed scum pie, I have no idea who is really scum--the calibre of player in this group is a lot higher(which imo should show that leashing the SK has it's perks--appeal to authority be damned) and I have significant experience with most of these(which always makes me shaky--I get worse at reading people over time). So, perhaps the better question would be "Who do I think is town?"
kanyeknowsbest-My actual top town read, he's made reach-outs to both sides of the pie conflict, but has maintained his own distanced opinion. He's scumhunting even with all the noise around, his reads have always been understandable and make sense given his comments.
PeregrineV-He has a tendency towards lurking as both alignments in the early game. However, he also always ramps up activity as time passes. As it stands, his contributions in terms of content have been okay--I do like that he's been able to reason with the other side of the pie argument logically and cool-headedly.
Sakura Hana-Sakura is pretty hopelessly easy to read as town, and her posting reflects it.

[Natirasha]

Curious, Titus: with those reads, do you think I'm hard bussing all of my partners, since I've been on Empking, Levi, and Svenskt since the day started and I have clearly been arguing with Wake?

[Natirasha]

Expand on POE answers? I mean, sure, I POE'd a bit on the second half of that post, but my first half is pretty clear. If we assume 4 scum(which sorta makes sense with an SK roaming around) that means I'm only missing one scumread and I do think that most are on the other wagon.

[Natirasha]

Actually, I wanna ask: how does my behavior stack up this game re: Pick Your Partners? I know you put some stock in meta, and you got that first-hand.

[Natirasha]

That's just normal Nati, sadly.

Sadly? I'd like to think I serve an important function in the grand scheme of things.

[Natirasha]

Nati, I don't put much stock in meta generally unless it explains something or I have nothing else. I also find it odd you picked PyP. That game was multiball. Makes me wonder whether that's a scum question.

Have you played with scum-me in another game?

[Natirasha]

I don't recall. The reason I suspected that is a scum claim is because you grabbed a multiball game despite all appearances of this not being multiball.

i chose it because it was a game in which you were town and I was scum.

[Natirasha]

For future reference, this is exactly what I am talking about when I say it is not the meta itself but what people say about meta that is important.

So, um, anything else you wanna discuss with me? Or am I just consigned to the depths in your eyes?

[Natirasha]

Keeping Pie alive means a destruction of days, or less discussion. What ever you believe theres no town motivation for wanting that.

Just dig your grave, fool.

[Natirasha]

Titus, can i sway your vote to Empking in any way?

[Natirasha]

I'm not going to lie, I'm trying to reach out to you so that I could hopefully sway your read on me. I would very much like it if we could work together in this game--I won't be able to sway wayne or the others, but you're level-headed enough to change your reads. Empking is one person we appear to be in agreement on, so I am hoping we can work together there.

[Natirasha]

But, PV

he could be groupscum

!!!!

[Natirasha]

Yeah, I mean if there continue to be single NKs he might be fakeclaiming , but at the moment I find it more likely scum ran afoul a BP or a doctor.

[Natirasha]

Wayne: that assumes random targetting. Thankfully, both a doctor and the scum are not random entities. Perhaps they tried to kill pie and he's bulletproof? Or perhaps they targeted a generally universal townread and the doc protected? Hell, perhaps they hit a mafia traitor? To use numbers in that way is a bad misrep.

[Natirasha]

It seems logical to think a doc protected the SK no?

What? I mean, no. If scum shot pie, I would assume SK BP status first.

[Natirasha]

Pie is investigation immune iirc, but he said he may or may not have BP status also.

[Natirasha]

Invest immune and BP is op. My money is on doc or rb hitting the kill.

No it isnt.

[Natirasha]

My soul for a dayvig(I hate your predecessor so much, Titus).

[Natirasha]

We're not going to get anything else done today. Can we just lynch Empking and see what happens over the night?

[Natirasha]

Wait, who am I trying to convince you to trust?

[Natirasha]

Oh. Yeah.

[Natirasha]

I'm just kinda annoyed with this game. We're talking in circles and despite there being 2 weeks til deadline its plainly obvious we won't get anything done. I want some more flips.

[Natirasha]

Is there any chance Natirasha that I can convince you to lynch Pie?

Lynch Empking with me today and I'll lynch pie tomorrow. Deal?

[Natirasha]

Nati, I don't know. I am not a fan of bargaining. This sounds you want Pie to take one more shot.

That is exactly what I want, keep culling the numbers another night.

[Natirasha]

because it's so good to cull the numbers just to be stupid...yeah...still no.

Flips are important, yes. It's easier to scumhunt when more people are dead too.

[Natirasha]

Wake: What happens if Empking flips scum? Do we become big meanies who are all bussing?

[Natirasha]

I don't buy Wake-scum, but Wayne-scum...sure.

I promised I wouldn't nightkill him, though, so I'm not advocating the SK kill him.

[Natirasha]

"Looks" is the correct word, Titus. Wayne and i've been joking the whole game how we're of separate alignments and are promising to not lynch or kill each other.

[Natirasha]

...I don't think an absence for a few hours constitutes a scumtell, Titus.

[Natirasha]

Can we talk more about Agar?

Nullish town. Typically aggressive. Seems level-headed.

[Natirasha]

Hey, Titus, what do you think of my offer?

[Natirasha]

Wake, would you support an Empking lynch if I promise to lynch the SK with you tomorrow?

[Natirasha]

...That, I don't know. So many things could go wrong. That, and that would make me look inconsistent. I'd be more comfortable having a known Scum killed first, because Empking may be Town, or maybe even a Town PR. Lynching a confirmed Scum rather than an unknown makes more sense.

...however, maybe we can compromise. If you vote with us to lynch the Serial Killer, I'll lend you my vote on Empking's wagon Day 3 provided Empking is given at least 15 days during that time to defend himself.

First: It's pretty obvious to me everyone has a power role this game(anyone want to prove me wrong?), so that point is pretty null. I, personally, will not fault you on being "inconsistent" if you so choose, but I obviously don't speak for everyone else. I'm sure you've probably answered this, but on a % scale, how likely do you think Empking is to be town?

I cannot agree to any course that kills Pie today--I distinctly want him alive to get a shot off tonight.

[Natirasha]

I'm sorry, but I want pie to make one more shot. I'm fine with you picking his target(hell, take me to the deeps if you want), but I want to cull the herd one more person before it's over.

[Natirasha]

I will not agree to any terms that involve my lynching the SK today.

[Natirasha]

The Chewbacca defense... Ok Johnny Cochran... Just one thing ~ O.J. was guilty. And all that shit you posted is completely irrelevant to the game.

Actual that's an argument by analogy, not the Chewbacca defense.

[Natirasha]

Oh for the love of im tired of this

Suicide bomb on Wake

[Natirasha]

Hey, I'm keeping my word too, wayne.

[Natirasha]

Also Nat wanting to lynch Pie tomorrow is making me lose what townread i had of him... sigh... this game.

I don't -want- to lynch him, but sometimes you have to make compromises. It's obvious this is going to be a recurring issue as long as pie is alive, and if I can convince the moderates on the lynch to work with me here, I'm willing to give up the advantage for extra unity.

[Natirasha]

Sakura you're not going to get Wake lynched today.

PEDIT: You're truly the lowest of low, wayne.

[Natirasha]

Sakura/Nati, still thinking this through myself but what do you think of lynching Empking, I vig Wake, Pie kills Levi?

So you do have a nightshot? I will accept this.

[Natirasha]

Nati: It also includes the condition of lynching Pie tomorrow.

Yeah, I'll agree to these conditions.

[Natirasha]

Sakura, at the end of the day, you sometimes have to compromise. We're getting one more night of vigging.

[Natirasha]

1) Lynch an unknown Day 2.
2) Vig claimed non-consecutive Tracker Night 2.
3) SK kills unknown Night 2.

Except as living, breathing individuals we are killing people we suspect as scum.

[Natirasha]

I'm NOT LYNCHING SOMEONE THAT HAS SHOWN TOWN MOTIVATION THROUGHOUT HIS ACTIONS.

Compromise or not idc, this is not town play, this is letting scum manipulate you.

Do you honestly believe Titus, Wake, wayne and jiffy are all scum?

[Natirasha]

Basically pie... they want you dead tomorrow, regardless of whether you hit correctly or not. NICE REWARD!

If i was pie right now i'd totally be vigging the towniest town tonight in spite for such a compromise.

Like seriously, you arent even giving him motivation to shoot correctly.

This is a consideration. What would you do if the SK hits scum tonight OR if your shot on Wake reveals him to be scum, Titus?

[Natirasha]

Sakura: What happens if Pie goes off the reservation and shoots an important town PR?

Then we lynch him, plain and simple.

[Natirasha]

Really? Because I know myself and am trying to remove myself from the situation so I won't receive a site ban. . Wow.

Then do as you wish, wayne.

[Natirasha]

This is insane. Absolutely insane.

I feel like I'm in a case from Ace Attorney.

[Natirasha]

Oh shit. I've never played role madness. That might throw off my calculations. What's that?

It just means a game where there are very few VTs and lots of power roles. Kdub's meta--along with the fact we have like ten power role claims suggest we're in such a game.

[Natirasha]

anyways im off for now, either lynch wake or lynch me, those are your 2 options.

GO!

[Natirasha]

Ha!

[Natirasha]

Natirasha, do you believe that Sakura did the gladitor thing and it worked? If so, you should vote Wake.

She obviously isn't a gladiator. That was more a "are you fucking serious" reaction.

[Natirasha]

Isn't Gant's glare just haunting?

[Natirasha]

Are you fine with testing Sakura's theory that the SK can hit scum? Vote Wake if you are. If Pie doesn't hit scum, we lynch her. It's a neutral compromise. We just aren't getting the votes to lynch Pie despite my best efforts.

I'd rather Empking still, but I'm obviously fine with letting Pie do his thing.

VOTE: Wake I guess. This gladiator thing is really dumb.

[Natirasha]

Why is there a wagon on Wake?

Sakura and him "gladiated" each other. It's dumb, but whatever.

[Natirasha]

So Sakura made an obvious fake claim that wasn't backed up by the mod and people are going with it?

I'm going to bed.

It's literally a proxy gladiate for Empking v pie, I don't even know. I had to stop posting for a while after they did it.

[Natirasha]

Can I go back to lynching Empking yet?

[Natirasha]

VOTE: Empking

So, we all think Empking is scum. Can we all agree to lynch this please? Let the nightkill dictate pie's future.

[Natirasha]

Natirasha, you aren't the least bit worried about Sakura's motivations for starting a Wake wagon?

I think they are both being stupid. Sakura gets flustered at obtuseness worse than most, and Wake's, well...Wake. The only thing it proves IMO is that they both aren't scum.

Honestly, I want Empking and

goddammit

I will get this lynch!

[Natirasha]

This is really fucking weird. Everyone seems to be ignoring that Sakura wanted to lynch someone she thought was TOWN in order to save a THIRD PARTY.

Those who follow the lead to Empking are just flat out ignoring it and trusting Sakura that leashing the SK is a good idea.

Wake's ignoring the obvious opportunity to say "See, Sakura wants to lynch someone she sees as town! Obvious scum motivation!"

No one is playing fucking rationally. It's driving me bonkers.

I'm not trusting Sakura for shit(sorry Sakura), I'm trusting myself and

literally every other person with a sub-2010 join date(except Empking HMMMM)

that leashing the SK is the correct option.

I think Sakura is town because the mispurposed rage and emotional thinking are up her alley(want me to link you to all the times she's self-voted/self-hammered as town?).

[Natirasha]

NO YOU TAKE THAT SHIT BACK RIGHT NOW SAKURA

[Natirasha]

Actually, this is Sakura confirming her spot as town, Titus.

[Natirasha]

Really, replacing out request doesn't confirm anyone as town Natirasha. Not at all. It could just be as plausible that Sakura is frustrated her mislynch didn't go through.

Have you even played with Sakura before?

[Natirasha]

C9++ I think.

Anyways, I could do the meta case for Sakura being conftown now, but I'll let Nacho explain that shit better than I ever could.

[Natirasha]

Meta will not make Sakura conftown, my trust in Sakura has been shaken.

I don't put a lot of stock into meta either, but Sakura's meta on this specific issue is so strong as to be insurmountable.

[Natirasha]

Alright, w/e.

[Natirasha]

More people, more days, more talky, more night actions, more results.

I actually disagree with the first part of this, but that's a philosophy issue, so w/e.

[Natirasha]

I don't think AtE can be a scumtell, only a towntell in certain instances.

Distinctly

not

answering you question on purpose at the moment.

[Natirasha]

You pick. You die if you don't hit scum!

[Natirasha]

I'd keep you around regardless, but compromises must be made.

[Natirasha]

Why is Empking town, kanye?

[Natirasha]

his early d1 before the game went to shit came off as town to me. especially good were his reactions to the aa and kalimar/titus wagons/dayshot. his general posting style and rate is on par w. typical empking regardless of alignment.

Who would you like us to swing the not-pie train to, then, if possible?

(Not saying I agree with your assessment although you might have some truth to the last part of the post)

[Natirasha]

Can you spark notes me a quick case on the first two--I really like dv for town, and pyro's duality is interesting with the SK, but I am willing to be wrong here.

[Natirasha]

I mean, I'm sorry but if it looks like a duck...I'm still curious as to your reasoning for replacing out? Is Wake really that bad? Don't make this another Wisdom thing, Sakura.

[Natirasha]

Why didn't you jailkeep him is the more important question

[Natirasha]

Nati. You're on. Your turn who should I vig if I shoot.

Only here briefly--sorry.

Um, shoot Svenskt or Levi I guess.

[Natirasha]

Stal, why antagonize?

Don't be intimidated by criminal threats, Titus!

[Natirasha]

Titus, did I miss it or do you know if being roleblocked stops your shot?

[Natirasha]

**uses up your shot

[Natirasha]

I deliberately am not answering if roleblock causes my shots to be spent to create wifom for scums. That's what I said when it was asked. Roleblocked obviously stops me from shooting.

Understandable, but that makes my job harder too.

[Natirasha]

Mkay so why is the claimed SK not fucking dead?

Were leashing him as a vig.

[Natirasha]

Leashing means he shoots whoever we want and we kill him if he doesn't.

[Natirasha]

Kanye, I formally apologize for forcing through two mislynches. I was clearly wrong and am going to listen to you the rest of the game.

Anyways, someone look at that nightkill and tell me the Wake's role is not a scumclaim.

[Natirasha]

Also, pie, confirm that that's your kill?

[Natirasha]

What does it matter? ONEFFINGKILL.

Did you see the alignment? Why are you still here, I thought you replaced out?

[Natirasha]

And also take note of the pretty blue mafia color? Not red! Multiball?

Then we're holding the scumteam hostage, forcing them to shoot scum as opposed to strong townies.

[Natirasha]

Also consider that Blue Cosmos could be a Red Herring for multiball-I could see Kdub doing that.

[Natirasha]

Titus what hte hell happened to your shot

I assume blocked/not used. We're still mssing scumshot though.

[Natirasha]

Is the other half of your role what I think it is?

[Natirasha]

kanyeknowsbest
Belisarius
waynegg
pieguyn
AGar
PeregrineV

leviathan93
Svenskt Stål

Majiffy
Pyrotechnics
EspeciallyTheLies

NachoKoopa

Wake88

talah
Natirasha
Titus

Bolded are who I wanna look at today.

[Natirasha]

So apparent multiball with only one kill for two nights and you guys are still willing to derp. Astonishing...

Ugh

btw now that we have a scumflip we need to go back and look at who he was interacting with to hopefully find the other scum

off the top of my head I thnk this means he's not aligned with Majiffy at least. but dat multiball <_< >_>

too bad it was a NK and not a lynch. if it was we could look at the wagon and hopefully get something

Kanye is not w/dv.

PEDIT: Thought so. I assume you were shot, not talah though.

[Natirasha]

I'M ALIIVVEEE!

Pie's probably on Majiffy's scumteam.

Sorry Pie, but I'm fickle. And a deal with the devil, is not one to be honoured.

VOTE: pieguyn

? Care to explain this conclusion?

[Natirasha]

So, um, have we all considered that perhaps Kdub is fucking with us and there is only one mafia? I mean, it wouldn't be the first time that's happened.

[Natirasha]

Sure, why not lynch conftown over confscum. That's the best idea ever and would continue on with the tradition in this game.

When did you become conftown?

[Natirasha]

A couple of days ago. Maybe read. I know you don't have to and all, but it may help.

Oh, okay.

Nati do you wanna lynch wayne with me he is a traitor

Nati doesn't want the spotlight or didn't you get that when he told you that you couldn't kill me last night

superior

why the hell would we wanna lynch dv??????


why the hell would we wanna keep the sk around???????



WOW GUYS GUESS WHAT

Sorry for failing you, kanye-sempai.

VOTE: Nacho

[Natirasha]

Yeah, this game has a lot of interesting dualities going on.

[Natirasha]

Wouldn't be the first time Kdub had a gimmicky scumteam. Or it could be multiball(in which case pie is likely redscum).

[Natirasha]

My working model is
not tied to gundam-nightly(based on my role only admittedly)
scum gundam-non consecutive
town gundam-1-shot
at the moment, but I wouldn't be surprised if Kdub has some curveballs thrown.

[Natirasha]

Where's the associative tell between Wake's claim and DV's flip?

Waldfeld is a Coordinator; the Blue Cosmos's raison d'etre is

kill all Coordinators

.

"Non-consecutive"

Also Is there a red faction that can mirror Blue Cosmos?

[Natirasha]

Okay I'm a coordinator too, so yeah there's that.

[Natirasha]

Hell yeah

VOTE: Wake

[Natirasha]

I'm prob gonna sheep you for a bit kanye if you don't mind.

[Natirasha]

I wanna see jiffy's entrance to today before this is over.

[Natirasha]

Bodyguard
Bodyguard
Alias: none
Alignment:
Varies
Role type:
Protective
Choice:
Night
A Bodyguard is a role who can target a player at Night to protect them. However, if the protected player is supposed to be killed, the Bodyguard is killed instead ("taking the bullet" for them, as it were).
Bodyguard only protects from a single kill. If multiple people try to kill the Bodyguard's target, both the Bodyguard and the protected player will die.
Bodyguard is usually Town. It makes little sense for there to be a Mafia Bodyguard, as they have no reason to target anyone except a scumpartner; and a Vigilante who finds that their kill resolved on a different scum than they expected can simply shoot their previous target again.
This version of Bodyguard, and only this version of Bodyguard, is considered Normal on mafiascum.net.
Variations

Elite Bodyguard is a variant that will also kill the person who performed the kill, in effect acting as a Bomb in addition to a Bodyguard. This version of the role is significantly stronger than the original, and should be balanced as stronger than a Bomb.
Some moderators in the past used Bodyguard and Doctor interchangeably.
A variant on Bodyguard that is occasionally seen is a Percentage Role: If the person they protect is supposed to be killed, 50% of the time the Bodyguard will stop the kill and learn who the attempted killer was; 50% of the time they will function as in the original definition. This role is both swingy and potentially overpowered, and is not recommended if it can be helped.
Use and Power

As a protective role, Bodyguard is essentially a weakened Doctor. Not only can it only successfully protect once, but it also does not technically stop the kill from going through. The only benefit from a successful protection is essentially a redirection of the kill from someone who is presumably more valuable to keep alive. In games where protection is desirable but a full Doctor could lead to overpowered role combinations, Bodyguard is a decent consideration.
As always, including multiple protective roles in the game can lead to broken role combinations. Doctor+Bodyguard can lead to circular protections, as can Bodyguard+Bodyguard. If you are going to include these combinations in your game, make sure you specify how they work - presumably in a way that does not allow them to cross-protect successfully.
Categories: Roles | Protective roles | Normal Roles

>site says no hotlinking

[Natirasha]

Posting direct links to their site like I've been doing all game.

[Natirasha]

image leeching is a federal crime nati...

Yeah I'll stop.

[Natirasha]

i would hate 2 see you locked up in federal internet jail

It's okay cuz the Federal Grammar Police will come get you too! We can be cell mates!

[Natirasha]

And bodyguard doesn't get bulletproof in a normal game and this wasn't advertised as bastard

wayne, go look at Empking's flip and tell me with a straight face this is a normal game.

[Natirasha]

Are you secretly a day 3 jester?

[Natirasha]

Okay, wayne, let's go through this one by one.

1. Is Bodyguard normal?
2. Is Bulletproof normal?
3. Do you consider Bulletproof a modifier?

[Natirasha]

Are you saying that town don't WIFOM?

I have an awesome gif for this, but since AA5 just came out I'm not posting it cuz it's major spoilers.

[Natirasha]

Tammy, this is bait.

[Natirasha]

...did you see DV's flip, Wake?

[Natirasha]

And n1 where are the missing kills?

[Natirasha]

I agree with that it's possible pie is red scum.
I don't think he is.

[Natirasha]

I know beyond a shadow of a doubt that kill was pie's. That is all I will say on the matter.

I also don't believe that there is a red faction--just blue+3rd party.

[Natirasha]

It would not be the first time a mod screwed with expectations and had a mafia B without a mafia A.

[Natirasha]

But there is a red faction, Wake.

The Serial Killer

[Natirasha]

You have 10 seconds to retract that fakeclaim or I'm lynching the ever living fuck out of you.

Voke wake and pie'll policy SK him tonight.

[Natirasha]

I promised wayne I wouldn't try to kill him, so I'm holding to that.

[Natirasha]

[Natirasha]

[Natirasha]

Peregrine, my role didn't say anything about my Natural/Coordinator status, but I googled it.

[Natirasha]

I straight up think I'd rather play mountainous than deal with Wake & Wayne, talah.

[Natirasha]

Wayne I don't mind lynching.

Wake can come back with results tomorrow.

What's your feeling on that?

Yeah but he won't actually do anything until Pie is dead, just post random shit in

Big Bold Letters

.

RTFT=Read the Fucking Thread. Old Doom meme.

[Natirasha]

Vote: Wake88

Hey you showed up.

[Natirasha]

So I've heard. Gratz on making it here. You're prob dead tomorrow, btw. Not related to your laptop at all, though.