Mobile Suit Gundam SEED Mafia - Game Over

Titus · Thu Oct 31, 2013 5:43 am

If Empking is in prodrange, thn we can hammer without waiting or problems from me as well.

Titus · Thu Oct 31, 2013 5:54 am

? Emp should stillbe at L minus 1.

Titus · Thu Oct 31, 2013 5:57 am

Pere, you are in my place. Shoot or no shoot. Why? Who?

Wayne, as a general rule I agree. That suggests Talah/Wake scum. I don't think Empking's wagon was easy though. Shouting doesn't make your point more effective.

Titus · Thu Oct 31, 2013 5:59 am

Wayne, same questions. Make a list where you believe the scums are. Would you shoot? If you would shoot who and Why?

Titus · Thu Oct 31, 2013 6:09 am

Agar, we have a replacement. I would want him to comment before hammering, especially on a lurker without a claim. I also kinda want my questions answered.

Titus · Thu Oct 31, 2013 6:10 am

Agar kanye please put forth where you think the scums are and what you would do as a vig here.

Titus · Thu Oct 31, 2013 6:11 am

In post 4034, kanyeknowsbest wrote:oh yah also it occurred 2 me that nacho is probably not actually scum. i think im just gonna throw my reads list in the trash and start a new 1.

Why is Nacho town?

Titus · Thu Oct 31, 2013 6:12 am

Kayne, please stay enaged. Please.

Titus · Thu Oct 31, 2013 6:19 am

Normally I would recommend reading but the game drive some to want replace out.

Cliffnotes. SK (pie) claimed Day 1. Debate raged to leash or lynch. The debate wasn't civil. Leashing appears to have won out.

Mastin was dayshot by Kalimar, my former slot. I am an anytime vig with one dayshot and unknown number of nightshots (wifom).

Majiffy, Talah and Wake all claimed investigative PRs. Pyro is a bg. Sakura started as a neighbor of Levi.

Titus · Thu Oct 31, 2013 6:20 am

Wake is non consecutive tracker who tracked Majiffy rather than the SK. Majiffy didn't use his one shot tracking.

Titus · Thu Oct 31, 2013 6:21 am

Wake has also been bullying, hostile to a basic reads list and hinks any discussion outside of Pie until Pie is lynched is bad.

Titus · Thu Oct 31, 2013 6:25 am

That is the question. Majiffy pushed. Pie cracked. People have speculated groupscum due to the disagreement on leash or lynch.

Titus · Thu Oct 31, 2013 6:25 am

Kayne had a hand in it too.

Titus · Thu Oct 31, 2013 6:27 am

That doesn't make sense. Your abilites refreshed when you hadn't even used them?

Titus · Thu Oct 31, 2013 6:30 am

And you had all that power and didn't think jailkeeping the SK or following him was a good idea. I call bullshit.

Titus · Thu Oct 31, 2013 6:31 am

Lastly Vanillas don't have mobile suits. Lynch him.

Titus · Thu Oct 31, 2013 6:39 am

In post 4054, kanyeknowsbest wrote:thats a rather odd conclusion to make.

What is an odd conclusion?

Empking, your third bility isn't clear as vanillas have no powers. My analysis is from your PoV. You want Pie lynched. You thought he'd hit town. You should have jailkept.

Follow would have helped verify Pie was sent. If this groupscum Pie nonsense is believable then groupscum logically would send someone other than Pie so no rb occurs.

Titus · Thu Oct 31, 2013 6:40 am

A vanillaizer in a joat? Those are fucking powerful by themselves. Not a chance in hell that's plausible.

Titus · Thu Oct 31, 2013 6:43 am

Not at all.

Even let's suppose I am wrong, why didn't Empking vanillize the sk?

Titus · Thu Oct 31, 2013 6:45 am

In post 4062, kanyeknowsbest wrote:the important thing to note here is that if he is scum, hes reading a fakeclaim so trying to say his role doesnt make sense is very ???

It does make sense as a fake claim. Look at me. I am the powerful townie. Don't lynch me. He just didn't think through his fakeclaim.

That or the mod seriously put too much power in one player's hands.

I understand what you are saying, kanye. That whole refresh before use is nonsense.

Titus · Thu Oct 31, 2013 6:58 am

I would rather have your set Empking. Vanillaize the SK n1.

The whole refresh thing makes no sense. As talah said, you would start burning but you have the excuse that the mod refreshed powers whn you hadn't used any. Huh.

Titus · Thu Oct 31, 2013 7:04 am

Vanillaize would make the sk stop killing presmably and have to lynch everyone.

Titus · Thu Oct 31, 2013 7:06 am

Good luck with the interview.

Talah, same question. In my place, vig or not to vig.

Titus · Thu Oct 31, 2013 7:07 am

Why the hell would anyone assume that? That's lke saying a vanillaizer only takes out the BP in a one shot bp cop.

Titus · Thu Oct 31, 2013 7:09 am

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Vanillaiser

Vanillaisers remove power. Logically that is he Sks kill ability.

Titus · Thu Oct 31, 2013 7:12 am

I am deliberately going to leave whether being roleblocked will use my shot up to encourage wifom.

Titus · Thu Oct 31, 2013 7:15 am

PV, please hammer Empking after Talah responds.

Empking, took you a long time to come up with that. The SK is a faction of one. Do you really think that the investigation immune is role specific but the kill is faction oriented? Did you even ask?

Titus · Thu Oct 31, 2013 7:23 am

You theoretically may have had the ability to neuter the SK an you didn't ask. What the fuck?

Titus · Thu Oct 31, 2013 7:32 am

I have read you are possible scum. Getting information from scum is still valuable regardless. So I ask. If it turns out the "scum" player is frequently right, that would probably change my mind on them.

Titus · Thu Oct 31, 2013 7:35 am

So I would appreciate it if you answer Talah.

Titus · Thu Oct 31, 2013 7:48 am

In post 4090, Empking wrote:
In post 4085, Titus wrote:You theoretically may have had the ability to neuter the SK an you didn't ask. What the fuck?
Why are you letting him live. If you don't want him to kill? (I don't have the theoretically ability to neuter the SK since his kill obviously isn't going to be able to be vanillaised since that's an insane design choice.)

Talah: I'm not contradicting myself. I thought he was a SK yesterday. (Paraphrased the activation is: Your [Ability's Name] has been activated.)

I cannot kill on the same day I use a dayvig. Kalimar shot mastin prior to th SK claim. I already said that.

Titus · Thu Oct 31, 2013 7:52 am

Nati. You're on. Your turn who should I vig if I shoot.

Stal, that question was to Empking.

Titus · Thu Oct 31, 2013 7:54 am

More useful than stopping someone you would believe would shoot town?

Titus · Thu Oct 31, 2013 8:01 am

PV, please just hammer Empking after Nati answers my question. This day needs to end.

Titus · Thu Oct 31, 2013 8:06 am

Hi Agar.

Who would you vig in my spot or would you even shoot?

Titus · Thu Oct 31, 2013 8:07 am

I would like these answers before mod closes if possible.

Titus · Thu Oct 31, 2013 8:42 am

Stal, why antagonize?

Titus · Thu Oct 31, 2013 8:50 am

I've collected everyone's thoughts and can put together a map of where I think the pieces are. That will be real helpful in coloring my actions tonight. I haven't decided but I'm not letting Stal's actions fuel my decision.

Titus · Thu Oct 31, 2013 8:52 am

I deliberately am not answering if roleblock causes my shots to be spent to create wifom for scums. That's what I said when it was asked. Roleblocked obviously stops me from shooting.

Titus · Thu Oct 31, 2013 8:55 am

I know. That's why I'm not pussyfooting or being vague. I'd rather no one than everyone have the information regarding that. If I could do a telepathic mind meld with town I would. Yet, I suck at crumbing so yeah not even gunna try.

Titus · Thu Oct 31, 2013 9:10 am

Congrats Wayne. It's difficult to get a job in this economy. I wound up making my own. I'm too wierd to work for anyone else.

Titus · Thu Oct 31, 2013 9:28 am

I'm going to request the mod edit that out, for your safety. Feel free to talk more about it over PMs.

Titus · Thu Oct 31, 2013 9:29 am

In post 4122, Svenskt Stål wrote:you and me titus, best workbuds ever.

lifelong friendship

LOL. I would like to be friends outside of the game.

Titus · Sun Nov 03, 2013 2:19 pm

Agreed. Wake's a scumfuck, Nati.

And... that kill is not mine. So people are going to debate this again...try to keep the spam to a minimum as I'll be limited access until Monday morning. I think Pie should die but we made an agreement, as long as Pie kills scum, Pie lives. So...

VOTE: Wake88

Furthermore, that flip hints at multiball (blue mafia). Yet, I disagree. We'd be missing two kills tonight (both scum factions assuming that kill was Pie's). We'd be missing kills n1 as well. I'll reflect on this after I get done with my work project.

Titus · Sun Nov 03, 2013 2:20 pm

**Monday evening sorry.

Titus · Sun Nov 03, 2013 2:21 pm

Random thought, what if DV stopped one of the kills n1 or n2?

Titus · Sun Nov 03, 2013 2:24 pm

In post 4179, waynegg wrote:
In post 4173, Titus wrote: VOTE: Wake88
So did you...

Democratic process. Pie living, if he shot scum, won out. Given that's not my kill and I'm supposing the scums didn't shoot themselves and multiball seems inconsistent with how little kills there are, the kill almost certainly is Pie's. Given the deal was Pie lives if he shoots scum (in fact you quoted saying "Deal's on!"), I'm surprised by your actions Wayne.

Titus · Sun Nov 03, 2013 7:03 pm

Empking was
Kira Yamato
, pilot of the
Freedom Gundam
and aligned with the
Town
, lynched Day 2.

Freedom Gundam Mobile Suit Abilities

METEOR System (one-shot)
- During a night phase, you may target another player. If successful, you will be told what type of action (killing, investigative, protective, blocking, or miscellaneous) that player performed that same night. You may only use this ability once during the game.

Anti-Beam Shield (one-shot)
- During a night phase, you may target another player. If successful, you will protect that player from standard kill attempts, as well as prevent them from performing any active abilities that same night. You may only use this ability once during the game.

Full-Burst Mode (one-shot)
- During a night phase, you may target another player. If successful, and if that player pilots a mobile suit, you will disable any mobile suit abilities that player has for the rest of the game. Upon that player's death, their original mobile suit abilities will be revealed as usual. They will be informed of this fact when told that they have lost their mobile suit abilities. This action will resolve after all other actions that night. You may only use this ability once during the game.

Waynegg, Empking didn't lie about shit. He made dumbass decisions and explained them terribly. However, your reaction was just horrifically bad.

If I didn't view Wake as practical confscum due to his claim and useless antagonizing behavior, I'd be voting you.

Titus · Mon Nov 04, 2013 2:51 am

Athrun Zala Justice Gundam. Don't think I said it previously Talah.

It's more than Wake and DV were nonconsecutive. Wake gave us no reasons and mounds of bullshit. He refused to give reads or scumhung becauuse ZOMG, Pie had to be lynched. When he was losing that debate, he had to be in control. He ignores the freedom Pie was given at the end of the day. His hostility is to cause Chaos rather than the unbridled ate that Waynegg does.

Titus · Mon Nov 04, 2013 2:53 am

There's also online generators for excel to bbcode. Will find tonight. Remind me.

Titus · Mon Nov 04, 2013 6:54 am

In post 4379, Svenskt Stål wrote:If i am cop i have inno on wake and wany, dont vote them

Missed this in all the spam. Why the hell did you say if you are the cop? Either you are or you are not.

Also, why the hell were you checking your hypothetical townreads if you are the hypothetical cop?

Titus · Mon Nov 04, 2013 7:04 am

In post 2412, kanyeknowsbest wrote:can you also explain your thought process on both why you chose to track majiffy and also why you chose to track n1 as opposed to n2

This is 2412. Try again.

Titus · Mon Nov 04, 2013 7:27 am

In post 1626, waynegg wrote:UNVOTE:

This also is NOT Stal claiming day cop. Look through his ISO and find it. You have until tomorrow but that is only due to the monumentous pile of work that needs doing.

Titus · Mon Nov 04, 2013 8:28 am

Talah, don't act like I am being anti-town. None of the posts you quoted so far are by Stal. He said if he was the cop. Quit fucking lying. Show me whre Stal definitely says he is cop. He hasn't. That is not fucking rolehunting if he's allegedly claimed like you said.

I don't give a shit what faction Pie is. The deal was if he shoots scum he lives. If not, he dies. Period. How about fucking scumhunting and looking at the obvious?

1) Wake has a non consecutive claim and DV has a claim.
2) Talah sheeps Sakura on all non Pie votes but for Wake.
3) Stal has his bullshit if he's a cop he checked Wake and Majiffy. Really, if? Give me a break.
4) Talah repeatedly says Stal claimed but quotes random posts.

Cmon. Let's just lynch these three scums.

Titus · Mon Nov 04, 2013 9:44 am

I didn't shoot anyone. I figured Pie would fuck shit up and I wasn't 100 confident regarding who he scums were. Please read 4465. Lynch Wake. That is all.

Please refer anyone who asks if I shot to my numerous denials. I really do not have time for this.

Titus · Mon Nov 04, 2013 6:35 pm

;s Sooo much to read... will do tomorrow. Haven't read anything since my last post. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE try not to have five new pages by then.

Titus · Tue Nov 05, 2013 3:48 am

In post 4593, Wake1 wrote:
In post 4583, waynegg wrote:
In post 4575, Wake1 wrote:Wayne, are you sure you got guilty results on those three, or are you admitting this is a reaction test?
Guilties. If you have doubt, start with Pie. It doesn't risk offing another town PR.

In post 4584, Pyrotechnics wrote:
In post 4581, Wake1 wrote:
In post 4577, Pyrotechnics wrote:You're supposedly the town tracker. Majiffy is supposedly the town watcher. Talah is supposedly the town gunsmith. And you believe he put in a factional cop?

Besides that his results are fake.

He's fake claiming.
Please stop and wait a minute.

Did wayne explicitly say his results were fake, or are you assuming they're fake?

If wayne says his results were fake, then I'd share some of your sentiments.
I know for a fact they're fake. He's fake claiming a guilty on me.

He's not going to admit he's lying, because instead of playing mafia he thinks we're playing ring around the moron.

If Wayne is lying, we kill him. If you are lying, we kill you and the rest of the people he claimed guilty.

@Rest of Town: You willing to follow these claimed guilty results to find out the truth once and for all? We act when the uncountered Cop claims a guilty, so why not follow the same, here?

Implication, Wake doesn't believe Stal's hypothetical cop claim as he implies Waynegg is uncced.

Waynegg's gambit was moronic. My gut tells me that Waynegg is scum with Wake as no one fucks up a gambit that bad. Yet, Wayn has a history of not thinking things through. Plus, his hypocrisy on talah and sudden readshifting on her slot (while calling her out).

Both the cop claims are obvshit or at least one of the trackers is lying. No way we have 2 trackers, a watcher, and a cop.

Can we stop the scums from punking us please? Wake, talah, Stal and Wayne are the scums. Their behavior is obvious scumteam behavior.

Titus · Tue Nov 05, 2013 5:13 am

In post 4670, waynegg wrote:Please lynch me so Titus can see once again how wrong she is.

Rather than AtE, show me what is wrong with my statement. It is anti-town to seek your own lynch.

Titus · Tue Nov 05, 2013 12:09 pm

What is RTFT?

I don't see cop claims as wifom here. If I did, I would shut up about their claims but try to drop a hint as to wifom. Here, all the cop claims have a similar interest, defending Wake. Stal says Wake is inno. Wayne magically tries to guess the whole scumteam. I didn't forget you claimed gs. I just didn't list every pr here. Out of curiousity, who have you checked? Have you actually checked Wake?

@Nati play mountainous?

Titus · Tue Nov 05, 2013 12:09 pm

By the way Talah, I could have shot you yesterday, so your positioning argument is crap.

Titus · Tue Nov 05, 2013 12:23 pm

I didn't shoot.

Titus · Tue Nov 05, 2013 12:25 pm

That was coaxed not saying it was possible but rather

"I was just as capable last night as I was just as positioned then but didn't shoot Talah."

Poor word choice.

Titus · Tue Nov 05, 2013 12:41 pm

Because I was capable, positioned and didn't shoot, the positioning argument is crap. Understood?

Titus · Tue Nov 05, 2013 12:50 pm

Waynegg, your gambit was too horrible to generate results. I saw your gambit as trying to rescue Waynegg by offering yourself or other suslects. It also had the flaw of the fact you didn't push them yesterday. You've been all over the map regarding Talah. In order for a gambit to work, it has to be semi-realistic.

I am not at kill you with fire. I strongly believe you are scum but I leave open you being the derpiest town ever and you lov ZOMG reaction test as town.

Titus · Tue Nov 05, 2013 12:51 pm

*rescue Wake

Titus · Tue Nov 05, 2013 2:17 pm

If Piescum keeps shooting scum, Pie stays. The next shot Pie hits town with, Pie dies.

Titus · Tue Nov 05, 2013 3:08 pm

In post 4695, Majiffy wrote:If I'm right and Pie is factional scum, he's going to use his last kill on our strongest PR to give his faction the best chance of winning - the opposing scum faction is already down a member.

If he was going to do that, wouldn't he have tried that yesterday?

Titus · Tue Nov 05, 2013 3:44 pm

Until you scumhunt Wake, the wagon makes total sense. The sk is not the only scum in the game.

Titus · Tue Nov 05, 2013 5:55 pm

In post 4698, Titus wrote:Until you scumhunt Wake, the wagon makes total sense. The sk is not the only scum in the game.

This. Scumhunting is imperative. We are still discussing Pie because people do not respect the will of the majority and want to revisit lost decisions. It is not productive.

Those same people are saying Pie's pool was narrow when it was open to all at the end of the day.

I will move to lynch Pie if she flips a town. Until then let Pie shoot scums. Let her decimiate the blues as factionscum.

Scumhunt by showing who is lkely scum with Pie if you believe this two faction thing.

Titus · Tue Nov 05, 2013 6:15 pm

Why won't you vote Wake?

Titus · Wed Nov 06, 2013 3:52 am

Beli, I do see the scum motovation. I don't care his position on the Pie vote. I care that he's using it as an excuse not to scumhunt. Compare him to Majiffy. Majiffy is saying vote Pie and vote parking as well. Yet, Majiffy is engaging with the rest of the thread, treating players with respect and arguing logically for his plans. Thus, Jiffy is a townread for me.

The continuing to do so long after people want to lynch Wake gives him a bonus. That is he can refuse to scumhunt long after people want to lynch him because it is a so called stupid thing. Wake is hostile angry and at best antitown but he is not stupid.

I believe the mod gave fake claims, so I don't put any stock in Wake's flavor (or anyone's for that matter).

Titus · Wed Nov 06, 2013 3:54 am

The killed scum argument isn't hogwash to me Majiffy and it was supposed to be the balance that allowed scumhunting to start.

Titus · Wed Nov 06, 2013 4:06 am

I am saying that the agreement works fine. At worst it was (before DV flipped) a 1 v 1 trade. If Pie keeps killing scum, Pie is useful. If Pie kills town, that is bad. We had two dueling factions. Scumhunting was not occurring by many players. By following through with the Pie shoots until he hits town, the group gains a clear end to lynch v leash and players scumhunt. If Pie gets it wrong (like most players think he will), then those players are proven right. If you are right Majiffy and Factionscum Pie has a rolecop feeding blue names, then he'll just kill the blues for us. If he doesn't he dies.

What do you think of Wake?

Titus · Wed Nov 06, 2013 4:32 am

Majiffy, you are arguing from a spot of self preservation. You, hypothetically, are not the strongest town PR unless Talah and Wake are scum AND Pie knows Talah and Wake are scum and won't shoot them. That makes no sense unless you know Wake and Talah are on a team with Pie. Also, if that us the case, why not push them as nonblue scum? Non-consecutive tracker is a bigger asset than one shot tracker. Shooting the BP BG also makes sense before shooting you Majiffy.

Answer me. What do you think of Wake and Talah? Pyro?

Titus · Wed Nov 06, 2013 4:33 am

Not to mention, Pie could have shot me if he was going for PRs.

Titus · Wed Nov 06, 2013 4:44 am

In post 4770, Majiffy wrote:And I'm saying the only reason Pie killed scum was because his faction has an informative role that told him DV was part of the other scum faction.

There is no world where Pie doesn't kill me over DV without that kind of information.

Pie is going to kill the strongest PR we have as soon as he has no more options to survive (namely, tonight).

So we should pre-emptively lynch him now so that we can catch his little buddies.

I cannot see the bold happening. Hence why I think you are arguing from self-preservation. Walk me through that please.

Titus · Wed Nov 06, 2013 4:48 am

In post 4776, Majiffy wrote:
In post 4773, Titus wrote:Not to mention, Pie could have shot me if he was going for PRs.
I'm guessing English isn't your primary language, or you otherwise have issues with past-present-future.

Note, I don't think anyone understands could have as it's proper meaning the way I intend. The confusion with could have has already happened twice.

It was possible for Pie to shoot me if he was just shooting random PRs.

English is my first language.

Titus · Wed Nov 06, 2013 4:50 am

In post 4778, Majiffy wrote:Pie says he killed DV because DV was a scumread. He wanted to hit scum.
Pie has been calling me scum since the start of the game. He has given pages and pages of information why he thinks I'm scum.
He killed DV because DV was "go with the flow-y".

It doesn't add up unless you consider that Pie has additional information as to the alignment of DV.

DV would be harder to lynch than you IMO. I can't say rolecop is the only reason for that. But hey, if that's the case, odds are Pie misses tomorrow and we'll see.

Titus · Wed Nov 06, 2013 5:02 am

Majiffy, what is your read on Wake?

I asked that question twice. Got no response.

I want to hear Pie's response to the whole not serious scumhunting thing.

Titus · Wed Nov 06, 2013 6:15 am

Majiffy, I don't think that's made up by PV at all. Pie, IMO, was saying DV as scum was just readily apparent, so no need to hunt.

Titus · Wed Nov 06, 2013 6:15 am

**made up by Pie. Derp. :faceplam:

Titus · Wed Nov 06, 2013 6:15 am

Gotta go for now. Work needs to get done.

Titus · Wed Nov 06, 2013 7:12 am

No. Majiffy, the burden of proof is on you to show Pie is likely lying. I don't believe Pie is. You have the burden to show Pie is factional scum and WHY that is relevant. I don't even get to Pie being factional scum or not as I still think the deal reached at the end of yesterday was valid and appropriate. Until that gets changed, I don't have any problem with Pie living when we have players like Wake running around refusing to even try to scumhunt.

If Pie is factionscum, who is faction scum with her? Why?

Titus · Wed Nov 06, 2013 7:25 am

Majiffy, I don't see it as relevant because Pie gets lynched if Pie kills town. Period. His hypothetical scum buddies will fall in line or stick out as sore thumbs for my vigging. Factionscum or SK is irrelevant. If Pie has a rolecop helping her, we can say sayonara to the blue scums, which is all the more reason to keep Pie. Pie has to go but I don't see the time as now.

Titus · Wed Nov 06, 2013 9:25 am

talah, you are a partial gunsmith. Wake is the alleged tracker one. Majiffy is tracker two.
http://www.teamopolis.com/tools/bbcode- ... rator.aspx

Wake, was that so hard?

Titus · Wed Nov 06, 2013 11:40 am

In post 4803, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:Titus, are those all the claimed roles so far?

From Memory here,

Talah = Partial GS {let her clarify}
Wake = Non-consecutive Tracker {Hmm DV is non consecutive too}
Majiffy = 1 shot tracker {Why would the mod include two town trackers that function differently is beyond me}
Titus = Wifom* Anytime vig with one maximum day shot {Did not shoot last night}
Pyro = Wifom* Bulletproof vests bodyguard {Was probably shot and survived last night as I cannot see scum NKing}, {originally left out the BP part of his claim., but that makes sense} {claims to have protected Talah last night}
Pie = Serial Killer {Shot DV, debate is going on regarding whether Pie is lying faction scum}
Sakura/ETL = Neighbors with Levi, Cannot Change

*Means unknown number of shots left, deliberately left vague to confuse scums

^^^ Those are the outed claims among those alive. If I forgot one, please feel free to add it in.

Titus · Wed Nov 06, 2013 11:42 am

Oh wait I forgot the Fake Claim by Wayne of Cop with guilties on three people and Stal's hypothetical claim.

Titus · Wed Nov 06, 2013 11:43 am

^^ Wayne's claim was retracted and Stal's claim was obviously hypothetical.

Titus · Wed Nov 06, 2013 11:46 am

It does. Do your own analysis on that claim. I was just popping in here for five minutes. I have to get back to work now. I have a huge memo I have to get out the door.

Titus · Wed Nov 06, 2013 12:33 pm

In post 4820, waynegg wrote:
In post 4799, Titus wrote:Pie gets lynched if Pie kills town.
He already did. Three times. One by NK and two by whining out of the noose. So, now it's time to put your money where your mouth is.

He's killed 3 town

You're obligated to vote him out now

Context. That deal was made Day 2.

Pie also hasn't killed any town since that agreement was made.

Pie isn't responsible for mislynches, so even at your best, Pie is responsible for killing one town before that deal was made. A deal that was made, might I add, to encourage scumhunting.

Wayne, I also NEVER lie about the amount of work on my desk/where I am at/time I need to do something. I feel it is unsportsman like to do so. Please do not suggest that again.

Titus · Wed Nov 06, 2013 12:33 pm

Pyro, please reconsider.

Titus · Wed Nov 06, 2013 1:12 pm

Waynegg, Pie

must

play to wincondition. Period. Bad. I'll explain what I was thinking later but I've got to get out the door now for work.

Pie has only killed one town. That's not a misrep. Pie isn't responsible for lynches that aren't him. Using your standard, we'd all have to be lynched.

I am a woman of my word. That deal was made day 2. Night 2 Pie kills scum. Thus, no Pie lynch is proper. Quit being dense.

You also implied I was fucking stalling when I told ETL to do his own analysis because I was busy. This is where the sportsman comment comes in. You are either being dense or deliberately twisting.

Titus · Thu Nov 07, 2013 3:54 am

Will respond to this later with my PoV. Have to work.

Titus · Thu Nov 07, 2013 10:01 am

DV says both Wake and Talah's actions are too dumb to be scum and dismisses them entirely. That's what I have on a quick look at DV's ISO on them. I cannot do more because of time constraints until tonighr.

Titus · Thu Nov 07, 2013 5:32 pm

PV, let's suppose (arguendo, with no evidence) that

1) Night 1 kills are as follows

a) Pie is factional scum and killed AA9.
b) 2nd factional scum killed AA9 OR ran into a doctor/healer or some other role protecting said target.

2) Night 2 kills are as follows

a) Pie's non-blue scum kills DV. (Most likely scenario, but not certain).
b) Blue scum tried to shoot Pyro/Talah or ran into another healer ish type character and Pyro is assuming the BP shot went on him. (I've never heard of a "loud" BP on this site [meaning notification received when vest lost].)

I have just set up a scenario where multiball is possible.

Would it be highly implausible that

a) Blue Scum Wake wanted to lynch Pie to ensure none of his team got lynched

or

b) Non-Blue Scum Wake wanted to get Pie lynched so his faction could have control over his kill?

===========

Now let's take a more likely scenario, one scum team.

Would it be plausible for you that Scum Wake would want to push to have Pie lynched to have total control over his faction's kill?

Look at Wake's actions as a whole... lynch confscum = trying to play for towncred without actually scumhunting, benefit == get control of kill after teammate slipped and required bussing. He tries to insist on his own pool to ensure that those his faction wants dead CAN be killed. Look at his noms as more evidence this is his motivation.

If you're going to seriously put for Wake town, I'm going to need a lot at this point.

Titus · Fri Nov 08, 2013 4:18 am

In post 4911, talah wrote:And yeah I had thought Titus would be a good smith choice, because if she can still vig she's got no reason to be opposing your lynch pie.

I do. It's called I am not queen of the universe. The group decided on Day 2 that Pie lives until he shoots town. If the town doesn't lynch him on the day after he hypothetically shoots town, I will vig him.

Titus · Fri Nov 08, 2013 4:21 am

In post 4902, Wake1 wrote:Titus, it would seem you more than anyone else has tried to find any reason to see me lynched. You may think I am an easy lynch, but you would be wrong. I'll give you time to think things through before I come back.

I never go for easy lynches. I go for scum lynches. I already have associative tells I have posted and know a goid chunk of your 5-6 player scum team (unless it is multiball). So I want YOU dead as you are practically confscum to me.

Titus · Fri Nov 08, 2013 5:48 am

5 to 6 scum in a 20 plus player game doesn't seem broken.

No, regardless of alignment, I go for logical not easy lynches. Methodical plus stubborn pretty much is doggedly. Note: Did the theory I put forth suggest Pie was sk? No. Even if he was, the Pie lynch ensures one of your scumbuddies doesn't get lynched.

A lot has happened since Day 1.

Titus · Fri Nov 08, 2013 5:51 am

Your tracker claim is worthless to me, which suggests you aren't arguing to me but to the group to setup a gotcha trap. If I cease to go down this path, I am appeasing. If I continue, then you argue that I am overly determined scum.

Titus · Fri Nov 08, 2013 5:52 am

In post 4909, kanyeknowsbest wrote:how come wake isnt lynched yet

Wake has buddies who will lynch anything but Pie or Wake and buddies who fake claim cop.

Titus · Fri Nov 08, 2013 6:32 am

1) I use scum as a generic to mean non town.

3) I consider you as uprooted scum with no utilty to town.

4) The big long one to PV. Frankly, I haven't really focused much on what Pie is. Just how people react to it as there is no 100% either way.

5) I have to assume possibilites are true to rationally discuss reaching a conclusion in all reasonable scenarios. You are seriously misinterpreting. That post was assuming Pie was factionscum and sk in the alternative. To put forth said argument, I must assume.

6) So, I am manipulating everyone to save Pie but yet I am too incompetent to lynch you, when from your PoV it should be harder to save confscum than to push a lynch?

7) A PR claim is worthless with fakeclaims. Period. I look for scums.

8) I always look to my scumreads for permission to argue.

9) I am. No one else seems to have a problem with a deal's a deal but you.

10) This is just OMGUS.

11) If I succeed in lynching you, your buddies will have to kill me. There is no B. In the infinesimal odds I am wrong, scum don't like this much spotlight.

Titus · Fri Nov 08, 2013 6:45 am

Yes. I am suggesting Wake is angry at Pie for claiming SK and trying to bus Pie so his team can actually kill quality town reads. Why do you find this unlikely?

That scenario only requires two factions (or one scum plus sk not being Pie). If you buy 5 scum plus sk, just move Pie to factionscum.

I basically know Wake's game and know he's scum. So much so that

intent to vig Wake

.

@Waynegg, Pie has utility.

Titus · Fri Nov 08, 2013 6:58 am

Wayne, 2 was a just statement of believe what you want. I see no contradiction.

I also am not leading a greenpeace campaign on Wake. I happen to like that orgsniztion for the record. A deal is a deal. I stick with it. If Pie hits town tomorrow, I inist on his lynch to save my vig shots just like I am insisting on Wake's. Pie can kill scum. So let's let him.

Wake, I only have nightshots left. I do think you are the scumcop helping Pie. Fake claims probably mirror the real scum role. Can I prove that? No, but I am pretty confident. I also tend to be a risk averse player and now you're claiming I am a gambling woman. You are desperate since your buddies couldn't lie to protect you.

Titus · Fri Nov 08, 2013 7:00 am

***Greenpeace on Pie

Titus · Fri Nov 08, 2013 7:16 am

In post 4937, PeregrineV wrote:
In post 3444, DeasVail wrote:AGar, it's quite likely that scum were unable to 'deal' with pie last night.

The reasons for lynching pie are still pretty bad, but I can't be bothered arguing anymore.
I think this tells us that night1 they tried to kill him.

That means

Pie kills AA9.
DV faction either heals Pie with a third faction killing Pie or DVs faction tried to kill Pie and a doctor healed Pue.

Either way, it makes sense for frustrated scum to tunnel who they cannot kill at night right.

Titus · Fri Nov 08, 2013 7:28 am

Deducing rational beliefs about the setup isn't wifom.

Right, PV look at the pushes prior to Wake being the SK alternative, who blindly follows; Talah. Now, watch when Sakura and a few jump to Wake. Talah turns her attention to me and goes for the Pie wagon. Thus she is trapped on the Pie wagon with no rationale for switching beyond saving Wake. The same player who refused to scumhunt. Then, Talah cannot get sn inno, so Stal tries. He says hypothetical cop, leaving an out. No real cop does that. After that, Waynegg has three night cops in two days. He recants the obvious bs.

This seems to be a save Wake campaign. Period. I cannot see any other rationale for this. Give they want to save Wake, they are forced into a suboptimal position.

Titus · Fri Nov 08, 2013 7:50 am

I rest my case.

Titus · Fri Nov 08, 2013 7:55 am

The thing with Pie was Day 1, get the votes to lynch Pie. Couldn't lynch scumread DrD.
Day 2, try to lynch Pie. Wake gives me major ick factor. Wayne and Wake bully everyone. I try to present our argument in a better light by having you people act civilly. Didn't work. Lynched alternative scumread and got agreement from proSave Pie group to lynch Pie if he ever hits toen

Rational.

You just jump on me bc I outed your scum brigade.

Titus · Fri Nov 08, 2013 7:56 am

Couldn't lynch = Couldn't lynch Pie, scumread DrD. Lynched DrD.

Titus · Fri Nov 08, 2013 7:59 am

What did I allegedly misrep?

Titus · Fri Nov 08, 2013 8:03 am

No that's pretty clear when I am having to teach both you and Wake basic civility to get our points listened to that you are bullying.

Titus · Fri Nov 08, 2013 8:07 am

Yeah just ingore the post where I summarize everything and show coherent thought throughout and claim it doesn't exist.

Face it, I have Wakescum. Move on.

Titus · Fri Nov 08, 2013 8:13 am

Starting from bottom up.

I am not pushing on Majiffy. Haven't been for awhile. Did I say you weren't your roles no. Just that you and Wake are likely scumbuddies.

If I have a question, I will answer and I am scumhunting just fine. The rate of posts and rapid fire questions might mske it hard on others.

My strategy, find scum. Kill them or get them to kill each other.

I refuse to be antitown and claim my shot number. Vote park me and confirm your allegiance to Wake.

Titus · Fri Nov 08, 2013 8:59 am

Dismissive label. I have lost integrity, now that is low. Regardless of alignment, I play with integrity. I take that as a personal attack.

This means I never, regardless of alignment,

A) Try to make the game unenjoyable
B) Lie about vla status
C) Make up rl excuses that are not true
D) Try to encourage others to play against wincon
E) Personally attack players in a manner that reflects on them outside the game
F) Playing against wincon.

These I feel violate an internal code of conduct. Anything elseis playing with integrity. Never once have I lied in a manner that would hurt the town. You can bank on that.

=========

Talah, I am saying you are scum PRs.

I am not digging through DVs posts right now when I have caught scum in front of me, other games and limited time.

Scum whiteknighted me according to you. Am I supposed to predict that? Why on Day 1, stick your neck out for a scumbuddy. That makes no sense jnless you were certain that flip wouldn't work. DV had no way of knowing that. The proper response is bussing.

Your positioning argument is shit as I was fully capable of shooting yesterday but you asked me not yo unless I was certain. Now I am.

I was not drawing an associative tell between Wake and Majiffy there. I have been screaming Jiffy town for awhile. Oh wait, that doesn't fit with the narrative, better find something.

Titus · Fri Nov 08, 2013 9:00 am

With that, I am out for awhile.

Titus · Thu Nov 14, 2013 11:24 am

Prod dodge. Massive work explosion. Will devote tonight to ms.

Please tell me there has been some content.

Titus · Fri Nov 15, 2013 4:57 am

Finally Beli. Post more. It's nice to see someone else scumreading Talah. I just need more from you to determine whether you are town or scum humorbussing Talah.

Why are we still arguing over leash or lynch? That was settled yesterday. Pie lives until any townplayer dies.

Titus · Fri Nov 15, 2013 8:31 am

In post 5290, Belisarius wrote:If I were "humourbussing" it would be funny.

I realize I made up that word. By that I meant humoring me by scumreading a buddy you know you cannot get lynched. That's humorbussing.

Titus · Fri Nov 15, 2013 8:34 am

Talah, please stay.

@Pyro, there is an active version of the bulletproof. It just isn't used here.

PV, I have been town reading you but there is NOTHING that says town to me about Wake's play. Please for the love of God come and listen to reason. Talah won't lynch her buddy.

Titus · Fri Nov 15, 2013 8:37 am

Stefan, welcome.

You said you wouldn't policy lynch on 202 and then vote Wayne under "lynch all liars".

Considering you have fresh eyes, can you give us an explanation on a less talked about person as possible scum?

Titus · Fri Nov 15, 2013 11:56 am

In post 5300, waynegg wrote:
In post 5294, Titus wrote:Stefan, welcome.

You said you wouldn't policy lynch on 202 and then vote Wayne under "lynch all liars".

Considering you have fresh eyes, can you give us an explanation on a less talked about person as possible scum?
Bad soft push, but thanks for lettinge know your scum faction is killing me tonight. Mighty kind of you.

2/10

Calling someone out for a BAD push on you =/= softpushing you. I was asking him why he was pushing a policy lynch on you when he said he didn't want a policy lynch.

Titus · Fri Nov 15, 2013 12:46 pm

.... Reverse psychology is a soft push? What the hell? Speak English.

Titus · Fri Nov 15, 2013 2:23 pm

In post 5306, waynegg wrote:
In post 5304, Titus wrote:.... Reverse psychology is a soft push? What the hell? Speak English.
That is English. Learn words.

I know the plain meaning of my words. You are NOT making sense! You are attacking me for defending you, saying that's setting up your lynch. That makes no sense.

Also, the whole math thing is unnecessary. It is likely one large scum faction with Pie. Pie being faction scum or not is irrelevant. If Pie is factionscum, he will run out of scum to shoot and thus be lynched.

Titus · Fri Nov 15, 2013 2:39 pm

I am not watching videos. It is clear you do not understand the concept of useful enemy.

Titus · Fri Nov 15, 2013 3:33 pm

If you do understand enemy of my enemy why don't you keep Pie alive to shoot scum. When he fails, he is no longer useful and thus lynched.

You claim to understand the concept, but your actions indicate otherwise.

What part of "you won't be here tomorrow" did you get from my post? Dude, back away from the acid. It's making you overly paranoid. I could shoot you but I don't plan on it right now.

Titus · Fri Nov 15, 2013 4:12 pm

Town wouldn't be divided if people actually

followed the deal we agreed to yesterday

.

Titus · Fri Nov 15, 2013 4:29 pm

In post 5324, waynegg wrote:Some agreed, some didn't. Most of my scum reads agreed though. You agreed. Pyro agreed. Kanyescum agreed. Piescum agreed. Nachoscum agreed. Natirashascum agreed. Forgive me if I don't agree with all the scum in the game.

If all the "scum" are doing one thing, and that would require 5+ scum, maybe you should rethink and realize someone town is likely acting that way. Do you really think all the scum would agree to such a plan?

Kayne, you're fine. I'm referring to those who insist on lynching Pie despite the fact he killed scum, as per the agreement.

Wayne, have you ever heard of majority rules. The majority of the group agreed. Add Sakura (pre ETL) to that list. That's 7 there.

Titus · Sun Nov 17, 2013 9:15 am

I don't get why we are rehashing. Yes, some people lost the vote to lynch or leash Pie. The majority decided that yesterday would end things. Pie is leashed until Pie hits town. Then lynched. Simple, clean uncomplicated. If we proceeded down this path, people would actually contribute.

If the idea is to save Wake because you're mistakenly town reading him, then the appropriate action is to do what PV and Stefan are doing and to try to find someone else to lynch. Trying to set the town backwards after the majority of us have made a decision only sets the group backwards.

Titus · Sun Nov 17, 2013 2:42 pm

In post 5387, talah wrote:
In post 5381, Titus wrote:If the idea is to save Wake because you're mistakenly town reading him, then the appropriate action is to do
what PV and Stefan are doing
and to try to find someone else to lynch.
Belisarius (2) - talah, PeregrineV
leviathan93 (1) - StefanB

It's interesting that you only mention PV and Stefan - Levi seems like a micro counter-wagon to Beli tbh, although I agree that neither of the other two lynches is likely to be beneficial to town. Consider my vote back on Wake at deadline in any case.

I didn't mention you. Sorry about that.

@Wayne, really you don't recall that deal. You're actually number 7 on it. You posted "Deal's on" or something to that effect. I find it odd you are suddenly forgetting.

@ETL, The town only functions as a group if people stick to their word. Don't let people renege on their word.

Titus · Sun Nov 17, 2013 2:51 pm

Pie was able to catch DV. I HAVE Wake.

The problem is that those who want the SK lynched are ignoring the will of the majority and people are getting fed up. Look at all those who have replaced out or threatened to lately. They've all been for leashing Pie. The people for lynching Pie are essentially acting like they will make the game no fun and stall it out for everyone else AT BEST. We even agreed to a rational settlement to appease them and try to get them to scumhunt. It won't work because they are afraid to scumhunt because it would reveal they are indeed scum.

Titus · Sun Nov 17, 2013 7:42 pm

I am with kanye here. I doubt this is multiball. The point is irrelevant though. Go with the agreement and ask questions designed to get information or catch scum. That goes for the both of you. Sometimes in this game I feel like such a denmother.

Titus · Sun Nov 17, 2013 8:00 pm

You mean all those attempts to get people to come together, agree on a plan, and attempt to enforce that plan are inhibitors? Just because you aren't getting what you want doesn't mean everyone else is impeding the town Jiffy.

Titus · Mon Nov 18, 2013 4:16 am

In post 4119, waynegg wrote:
In post 4115, Natirasha wrote:**uses up your shot
Deal back on.

See. It looks like you did agree. This is occurred when Empking was the likely lynch.

Titus · Mon Nov 18, 2013 7:41 am

Talah, I'm thinking one not town, one town. I'm not sure which is which though. I had the strongest townread on Sakura's slot but then she pushed Wake when she thought he was town. That's just unacceptable for someone to maintain that strong of a townread in my eyes. The reason one town one scum is due to a theory I have but I'm not sure if it is accurate or has any legs yet. It's kinda outlandish and gamebreaking IMO.

What caused you to change your mind on Wake Talah? You jumped from wagon to wagon essentially sheeping Sakura on the anti-pie lynch until Wake came up. That's what initially drew my attention. Now, you seem to be wanting Wake dead. What changed?

Titus · Mon Nov 18, 2013 7:41 am

Nacho, why are you promising to vote Pie? Why aren't you just doing it?

Titus · Mon Nov 18, 2013 7:45 am

Natirasha, your deal with Wayne (which implies you have some sort of communication) if that's what you were talking about because he never mentioned revoking your deal I believe. Context, neighboring posts, all lead me to believe Wayne was going along with the lynch pie if he shoots town because he figured there was no way Pie hits scum.

Titus · Mon Nov 18, 2013 8:30 am

Pie, what makes them confirmed town?

Titus · Mon Nov 18, 2013 8:33 am

I always treat exits as a null factor. She could have been frustrated just because she didn't get what she wanted. That doesn't mean town or scum.

Titus · Mon Nov 18, 2013 9:07 am

In post 5448, Hannibal wrote:It wouldn't matter if I did know her.

^^ Is me.

Titus · Mon Nov 18, 2013 10:03 am

Wake, there's more to your wagon than that. You absolutely show no inclination to be civil, communicate, scumhunt or anything else. You are scum just tunnelling Pie. That's what you'll do. You've been nothing more than a spoiled brat. Compare yourself to Majiffy. Majiffy's hunting. He can point to specific examples of him attempting to be beneficial. He's not berating people on a personal level. You refuse to even do basic things such as give reads. Your behavior is reactionary. Your actions seem more about you being in control than moving the town forward.

Also, don't act like it's "malcontents", when there was already a deal in place to leash Pie yesterday. You're the malcontent for refusing to abide by the will of the majority.

Titus · Mon Nov 18, 2013 11:05 am

Actually, you have plenty of reason to fakeclaim.

Frustrated scum sees the SK won't get lynched. Feeling the need to save himself, frustrated scum claims the SK.

Titus · Mon Nov 18, 2013 11:23 am

That's L-1.

Pie, you should probably start discussing your biggest suspects at this point.

Majiffy, if Pie misses and hits town, we'll still kill him tomorrow. I see no reason to change the deal just because Wake will almost certainly be lynched now. This puts us in a pretty good position since both Wake and Pie are claimed scum. Only one can be the SK (doubt two SKs). The other one will die tonight or tomorrow.

Titus · Mon Nov 18, 2013 11:43 am

Wayne, Titusscum doesn't exist. LOL. I never said Pie was faction scum.

5466 is

Frustrated scum (Wake) sees the SK (Pie) won't get lynched. Feeling the need to save himself, frustrated scum (Wake) claims the SK.

Never claimed Pie was Factionscum. That's Majiffy's editing.

Titus · Mon Nov 18, 2013 11:44 am

THANK YOU! I've only been screaming about Wake scum for many many days now. I've lost count.

Tomorrow, we all scumhunt period.

Titus · Mon Nov 18, 2013 11:45 am

In post 5479, kanyeknowsbest wrote:??

pretty sure we decided at the start of the day: lynch wake shoot wayne

I'm not sure if Wayne is just being stupid or scum though... :S

Titus · Mon Nov 18, 2013 12:34 pm

Wayne, that pool is mostly town, but for maybe Nacho.

"Town only needs itself to root out and find scum." Yet, you complain because I tunnelled you, scum to death to the point where he confesses. *sigh*

Titus · Mon Nov 18, 2013 12:42 pm

I can do bold too.

Wake, in the rare unforeseeable event you flip town, you are the least productive town member ever. You should take a look in the mirror. You refuse to give reads, communicate and fake claim scum. If you flip town, I strongly recommend taking a break from the site to cool down and get a different perspective.

When you flip scum, you played well but for all the personal baggage. If you just remembered the basic code of conduct I put forth and put a little more effort into pretending you could have gone a lot further.

I've been totally honest Wake. Given the fact you have the opportunity to prove dishonesty and that's a short window, you should type FAST. I haven't lied on anything at all.

Titus · Mon Nov 18, 2013 12:55 pm

Lynch Pie, even if said in 50 different ways is NOT content.

I asked you for reads. You told me to go to hell. Period. I'm going to remember that.

I didn't lynch Pie because the group decided we were going to leash the SK. We created a plan. Given the SK claimed early, that's plausible. You're just reframing your same argument... all who disagree with me are scum.

There's PLENTY of reasons to lynch you Wake. You just don't see them because you see anyone who disagrees with you as scum or a moron. You'd do well to learn the lesson that reasonable people can disagree.

Lynching you to me, was about getting rid of scum. Period. Since we weren't lynching Pie, I turned to my next scum read who refused to be cooperative in any sense of the word. I take responsibility for this entirely.

Titus · Mon Nov 18, 2013 12:56 pm

In post 5525, waynegg wrote:How d you know he AAS lynched? There could be a modifier or something preventing it. You only KNOW a lynch has occurred when the mod says so, so that's stupid Pie.

The rules seem to suggest there are no Loved players Wayne.

Titus · Mon Nov 18, 2013 12:59 pm

Really, you seem to think I would run away from the fact I've been screaming Wake scum for days... Hell no. I'm going to own that. Regardless of what happens, I am a big reason you were lynched.

Titus · Mon Nov 18, 2013 1:13 pm

In post 5532, Wake1 wrote:
In post 5531, Titus wrote:Really, you seem to think I would run away from the fact I've been screaming Wake scum for days... Hell no. I'm going to own that. Regardless of what happens, I am a big reason you were lynched.
I don't see it.
You don't have the integrity.
You, AGar, Kanye, Pie, Nacho, Talah, and others made my experience miserable with your aggressiveness and absolute refusal to kill pie and with it the divisive issue. If you're Scum, which I now think you are, you've done very well.

You better reframe that Wayne. I do have integrity. No matter what role I'm assigned, I take the accusation that I lack integrity personally.

Titus · Mon Nov 18, 2013 1:15 pm

**Wake

Titus · Mon Nov 18, 2013 1:21 pm

Wake, I do listen. I ask for people's opinions when they disagree with me and I logically discuss them. The only point you are getting across is caught scum whining. I'm hardly dismissive. Arrogant.. yeah I can be from time to time. There's a thin line between arrogance and confidence. I rely on people I trust to tell me when I cross that line. Those I trust in this game have said nothing of the sort.

If anyone alive feels I have not listened to something, feel free to say so because I'm probably shooting tonight.

Titus · Thu Nov 21, 2013 2:51 pm

Please check. Talah was my kill.

Vote: Pie

Pie killed town. Pie needs to die.

Titus · Thu Nov 21, 2013 2:54 pm

In post 5538, waynegg wrote:You do know that the

"People you trust" get different roles with each new game. Vet reverence is a horrible, foolish way to play mafia. Explains a lot though.

For the record, people I trust changes each game.

Titus · Thu Nov 21, 2013 2:54 pm

Why the fuck are you voting me Pyro?

Titus · Thu Nov 21, 2013 3:00 pm

I thought Talah was scum and that you WOULDN'T be protecting him, but rather Wifom. His whole interaction with Wake was scummy as fuck. I didn't want to get in another days long battle with Talah like I did with Wake. So I shot him. I have one more shot left if we don't lynch Pie here. Pie needs to die though.

Titus · Thu Nov 21, 2013 3:00 pm

No one, town or scum, shoots where the bodyguard is planning to heal. I'm not stupid.

Titus · Thu Nov 21, 2013 3:04 pm

Why would they come forward? It's pretty obvious that you did or the mod screwed up. Given the fact that the mod hasn't stopped the game, I'll go with you were roleblocked.

Roleblocking a bodyguard is like walking around with a lynch me sign.

I am not a mafia strongman. I am an anytime vig with one night shot left. See Dr. Who's Last Great Time War for an example. I couldn't do that earlier because it was ongoing.

Titus · Thu Nov 21, 2013 3:05 pm

In post 5562, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:
In post 5559, pieguyn wrote:Titus is a mafia strongman btw
Where is this confidence coming from

Desperation.

Titus · Thu Nov 21, 2013 3:10 pm

He really doesn't want to lynch Pie and stick to the agreement. That's how you get that dissonance ETL.

Titus · Thu Nov 21, 2013 3:11 pm

Out to dinner now. BBl.

Titus · Thu Nov 21, 2013 4:06 pm

In post 5577, Pyrotechnics wrote:
In post 5576, Tammy wrote:
In post 5575, Wake1 wrote:Boy, aren't you guys in a pickle, hm? It's a bit fun watching it all implode, especially when Town deserves it. Keep getting them Townies, Town. You've done a great job so far!

/bah.
Still not sorry and rather grateful for your lynch.
Call it a 10/10 lynch would lynch again.

I take full responsibility for your lynch Wake. We really need to talk post game.

Pyro, vote the SK. The SK hit town. The SK needs to die. That was the arrangement. I'll help you with Nacho tomorrow.

Titus · Thu Nov 21, 2013 4:21 pm

Those are accurate. Without the agreement, I wouldn't be pushing so hard. We gave our word to try and progress the game further. It's time we honor it.

Titus · Thu Nov 21, 2013 4:53 pm

In post 5582, kanyeknowsbest wrote:hey titus. how come you never tried putting a bullet in pie?

Because of the agreement. I'm not unilaterally breaking the agreement.

Titus · Thu Nov 21, 2013 4:55 pm

In post 5584, Pyrotechnics wrote:I just still have no words for the "vig" shooting the person I made clear I was protecting on the off chance it was wifom.

I mean I get it if scum had a roleblocker or strongman he would die anyway, but I just don't understand how or why town would make that shot.

I play aggressive and risky. Period. I felt it was a low risk situation. Even if not, I would expect if the scums had a roleblocker, they'd block you. If not, I'd be dead and everyone could focus on more productive pursuits.

Titus · Thu Nov 21, 2013 4:56 pm

In post 5584, Pyrotechnics wrote:I just still have no words for the "vig" shooting the person I made clear I was protecting on the off chance it was wifom.

I mean I get it if scum had a roleblocker or strongman he would die anyway, but I just don't understand how or why town would make that shot.

I play aggressive and risky. Period. I felt it was a low risk situation. Even if not, I would expect if the scums had a roleblocker, they'd block you. If not, I'd be dead and everyone could focus on more productive pursuits.

When I wanted Pie dead, the group said no by voting to leash him. So I didn't shoot. I don't overrule the group when the group reached a consensus.

Titus · Thu Nov 21, 2013 4:58 pm

Sure. I have 1 daytime shot. 2 night shots. The dayshot was spent by mastin. The first night shot was spent by me tonight on Talah.

Titus · Thu Nov 21, 2013 5:09 pm

That shot wasn't dumb for me. That shot greatly showed that basically Wake has been right and the entire group has been playing emotionally rather than logically. You're upset that I shot your biggest town read. You're supposing everyone views smart the same way you do. That is not me.

I saw the following

1) If the scums have a roleblocker, then I don't need to give two shits and I should shoot my most unlynchable scum read.

2) If the scums don't have a roleblocker, you were likely wifoming as I didn't believe your claim regarding a bp bodyguard as it seems way OP for the total lack of kills we had been having but you were trying to protect Talah.

3) Even if you are a bg, I doubt you'd be so stupid as to actually announce the real person you were protecting.

From my POV, your play was moronic.

We can discuss this post game or you can sit here and call me stupid. Discussing this further, when we're both likely to repeat ourselves, gets us nowhere.

Titus · Thu Nov 21, 2013 5:16 pm

Wow. That's backhanded and discrediting. You seem to think all who disagree with you are being dumb. That is dumb in and of itself.

You seem to be really desperate NOT to lynch Pie. We had the agreement and now that I'm trying to enforce it, you try to vote me. This is exactly what happened with Wake. Grow up and stick to your word. Then you can call me a moron or what not.

Even if somehow my play was objectively stupid, stupid isn't scummy. Stupid doesn't benefit scum.

Grow up.

Titus · Thu Nov 21, 2013 5:17 pm

In post 5597, kanyeknowsbest wrote:uh actually yes as a bp you want people to be able to tell who you protected when you die is that serious?

Or you could just do the common sense thing and avoid dying early on when we have a bunch of dead townies already.

Titus · Thu Nov 21, 2013 5:23 pm

Really, and you just these things of where I went off the deep end conviently prepared don't you? You know who prepares meta arguments as discrediting? SCUM. Town don't need to do that. Town can accept disagreements and can attempt to look through other people's eyes. You cannot because you are strategically planning to push for my lynch after Wake died. Period.

The game pissing you off is no reason to take your frustration out on another player.

Titus · Thu Nov 21, 2013 5:26 pm

Yeah but you have to keep in mind that you're important to in a position that you were nearly unquestioned town. Talah, even as a PR, was not unquestioned town. I, along with others, had doubts. I'm only questioning your position as town due to your behavior which suggests you intended to lynch me at the start of the day.

You also don't seem to be honoring your part of the agreement. Period. Why won't you do that?

Titus · Thu Nov 21, 2013 5:54 pm

Pyro, you seemed wholly content to believe that was the deal when I was pushing Wake for being scum and not sticking to it. Now, you're pretending like it never existed at all.

Titus · Thu Nov 21, 2013 6:11 pm

Fine Pyro, here's what I got from DV's ISO. Majiffy is probably town. I cannot see DV gunning for Majiffy that strong if Majiffy was scum. It makes no sense. Majiffy is in the middle category. I'd look for town players in that pile that the scums intended to throw mud on.

Titus · Thu Nov 21, 2013 6:11 pm

Still, a deal is a deal, I'd vote Nacho but for the fact that I stick to any deal I made.

Titus · Thu Nov 21, 2013 6:27 pm

Why the hell are you advocating being shot?

Titus · Thu Nov 21, 2013 6:47 pm

So you think ETL is faking not reading the thread? Not reading doesn't make sense as either alignment.

You just need to take a chill pill Pyro and rethink things.

Titus · Thu Nov 21, 2013 7:01 pm

You say you're fine with lynching me. Pyro, who is obviously dumb town, is trying to get himself killed. Like hell am I going to sit by and relax. This doesn't seem to be the right point to relax. This seems to be the point to sit up and smack you people into making sense.

Titus · Thu Nov 21, 2013 7:28 pm

Where else had Kanye done this? I had Kanye as town but just mistaken. If Kayne has a pattern of words not matching votes, that would greatly change my own read. Given the fact I was wrong on Wake and Talah, maybe I am missing some things.

Titus · Thu Nov 21, 2013 7:32 pm

Nice OMGUS Nacho. No reasoning, just a naked vote. Just shut up.

Titus · Thu Nov 21, 2013 8:00 pm

In post 5652, NachoKoopa wrote:
In post 5593, Titus wrote:Sure. I have 1 daytime shot. 2 night shots. The dayshot was spent by mastin. The first night shot was spent by me tonight on Talah.
Ability names?

Lupus. How the fuck is that relevant?

Oh wait, hat's right. You need to look busy and get on a popular wagon. If you were town, you should be alarmed by the number of people FoSing you.

Mod: Please recheck the count. You have Pyro self-voting.

Fixed

Titus · Thu Nov 21, 2013 8:12 pm

Ok. It seems right now. Good night.

I don't expect Nacho to be phased but I would expect an acknowledgement. The only people who don't react to being voted are scum or are certain they won't be lynched.

Titus · Fri Nov 22, 2013 4:16 am

Block bg and shoot Talah seems to be a plausible action for the blue scum. That explains both a)where the blue kill went and explains where the blue nk went without Nati being scum.

The other option is scum rbed pyro worried about wifom and Nati was the blue scum sent for the kill.

Titus · Fri Nov 22, 2013 4:19 am

In post 5659, kanyeknowsbest wrote:
In post 5655, Titus wrote:
In post 5652, NachoKoopa wrote:
In post 5593, Titus wrote:Sure. I have 1 daytime shot. 2 night shots. The dayshot was spent by mastin. The first night shot was spent by me tonight on Talah.
Ability names?
Lupus. How the fuck is that relevant?

Oh wait, hat's right. You need to look busy and get on a popular wagon. If you were town, you should be alarmed by the number of people FoSing you.

Mod: Please recheck the count. You have Pyro self-voting.

Fixed
what do you gain by not answering the question? what do you lose by doing so?

I did answer the question. My ability is Lupus. The name is irrelevant, so I answered.

Titus · Fri Nov 22, 2013 3:55 pm

Obvious to you is not obvous to me. Y'all should figured out I had issues with Talah during the whole questioning at the end of the day. Sorry if you cannot deal with that or are hell bound to discredit me. Regardless, we finally have some scumhunting.

Nati, can you elaborate on why two scum rbers?

Nacho, I can link you to my best scum game. I have yet to win as scum though.

Titus · Fri Nov 22, 2013 4:11 pm

NO! We are lynching the sk.

If we are not, we are lynching Nacho. Really Nati, Nacho wakes up just to push me and you think that's a bus. I also cannot see two rbers alive.

Titus · Fri Nov 22, 2013 4:17 pm

I said I didn't think two were alive. Reading fail.

Yeah, wits end with me. I figured you could cool off. You think it was stupid. I don't.

Frankly, we are running out of bodies for a leash Pyro.

Titus · Fri Nov 22, 2013 5:59 pm

I was not going to overrule the majority when we had a deal. Pie lives until he shoots town. Pie shot town. That's not changing bc it suits my needs. It would be more beneficial to just jump on Nacho personally. However, it benefits the town to lynch the SK when he breaks his leash.

Titus · Sat Nov 23, 2013 11:38 am

In post 5745, Majiffy wrote:
> Be
Majiffy

> Try to lynch Confirmed Scum
> Create agreement to try and ensure things happen and scumhunting can ensue
> Be told "if he hits town we lynch him no questions asked"
> Try to enforce agreement when Pie hit scum
> Shoot someone scummy who claimed gunsmith so people were like OMG Obvtown when nothing matched that
> Confirmed Scum hits town
> Get called stupid for enforcing said agreement and shoot someone scummy
> Other wagons, day not locked, actually thinking about lynching outside Confirmed Scum
> Wagon on me stupid as fuck, pushed by someone who magically comes out of hiding to attack me
> Run out of cuss words before you can accurately express the pure, unadulterated rage mixed with OMG how stupid is this town

Titus · Sat Nov 23, 2013 11:39 am

Titus · Sat Nov 23, 2013 1:36 pm

Gah, I swear everyone is playing like those who disagree with me are scum but me an Jiffy an maybe kanye.

I decided it was a fakeclaim because of

1) A oneshot cop is basically a mylo win if scum lying. Claim used it, guilty on town. Scum win.
2) Talah's sudden switch on Wake seemed like bussing rather than genuine. She was on every train but Wake (until I pointed this out).
3) She lacked aggression towards Stal and Wayne, who were both claiming cop and acting in a manner to protect Wayne.
4) Her total reluctance to give us a confirmed clear when she supposedly believed we could leash the sk.
5) I didn't observe crumbs of a result. That's the weakest bc I usually don't pick hem up.
6) Generally following the heard other than wierd Wake interactions.

Titus · Sat Nov 23, 2013 1:42 pm

**acting in a manner to protect Wake

Titus · Sat Nov 23, 2013 2:10 pm

In post 5771, Natirasha wrote:Really I hate this role because I've only ever seen it as a scum role before which is why I danced around so much before claiming.

Obv answer to only 2 night kills is Nacho's bussing his strongman.

Eww... the obvious way to interpret this post is. I'm scum. My role says I'm scum but I'm going to handwaive this away but just saying two other people are scum.

Why the hell would you claim now? The context makes no sense other than to throw dirt on PV who is fucking obvtown at this point.

Talah's interactions were scummy regardless of what Wake flipped. The thought process just didn't look town to me.

Titus · Sat Nov 23, 2013 2:12 pm

In post 5765, kanyeknowsbest wrote:namely nati. believe hes my wolf in sheeps clothing if i got 1

KKB, so you sheep your scumread (Nati) and don't follow the good reads (Majiffy)... what the hell?

Titus · Sat Nov 23, 2013 2:28 pm

^^ Handwaive and discrediting in one.

A really early claim, with what hypothetical benefit to the town? I don't see one.

Titus · Sat Nov 23, 2013 6:26 pm

In post 5780, Pyrotechnics wrote:
In post 5776, Titus wrote:^^ Handwaive and discrediting in one.

A really early claim, with what hypothetical benefit to the town? I don't see one.
I claimed earlier than he did. So did several people, why is his scummy?

His had no town benefit or reason for us to know. Nothing had gone haywire or changed. Sakura revealed neighbors to explain a scumread. You claimed to protect people. PV claimed putting out a theory that explainsa second theory for a missing kill.

When pressed for a reason why his claim helps town, Nati gave blank stares. Nati claimed out of selfpreservation. Scummy.

Titus · Sat Nov 23, 2013 6:28 pm

KKB, maybe follow was a better wordchoice. What am I miscomprehending?

Titus · Sun Nov 24, 2013 2:18 pm

Nati, who were you talking to? Wayne as a target was suggested heavily. While there was no deal in the common sense version, I disn't see anyone else get asked a lot.

Agar, get off the fucking fence and vote. Do you feel Pie is a "detriment" or not?

Beli, I would buy an unknown doc, jailkeeper or bp (Pyro or elsewhere) bfore scum shooting although I do agree with your rules analysis. I cannot see much more valuable than DV. Largely unsuspected (Majiffy and Pie excepted), DV doesn't make sense as a sacrifice unless the scums are all totally townread. If that's the case, why sacrifice? Suppose you are right, who does that lead you to?

Majiffy, I am debating sheeping you. I just cannot see PV scum. Everything PV has done seems town to me.

Titus · Sun Nov 24, 2013 4:17 pm

Nati, you are making no sense. You're arguing that Wayne was a bad shot because of no explicit "deal", yet there was no explicit deal for anyone. Furthermore, you are suggesting that leashing the SK cannot work, but you're still voting as if that's a good idea. That makes no sense. You're spilling a hell of a lot of cognitive dissonance.