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Belisarius Mafia Scum
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So you're saying I should just hop on mastin because a case has been posted?
Nope. I want to see more and then I'll make up my own mind about where my vote should be. I don't vote so frivolously.-
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No, strawberry fried rice in carbonara sauce is the worst idea ever. No lynch is just a garden variety bad idea.In post 58, leviathan93 wrote:no lynch is like the worst idea ever.-
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kiss kissIn post 61, kanyeknowsbest wrote:belisarius is an A+ target btw 4 ne aspiring vigs/sks out there hopin to scoop up on some towncred.-
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This is the shittest reason for voting someone I've ever read.In post 94, waynegg wrote:no lynch is like the worst idea ever. i'd prefer a possibility of killing scum. so lets try hard to find them. but even if someone dies who isn't scum as long as its not a PR It helps town up the odds.
but even if someone dies who isn't scum as long as its not a PR It helps town up the odds.
but even if someone dies who isn't scum It helps town up the odds.
but even if someone dies who isn't scum It helps
if someone dies who isn't scum It helps
It helps
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I've played with waynegg before, and I don't think it's pointless to respond to him.In post 111, Natirasha wrote:Dont worry, Beli, you've only seen the beginning of Waynegg's insane troll logic.
^TownIn post 113, Kalimar wrote:Belisarius voting to no-lynch in the RVS is a good way to avoid responsibility for his vote, which I've seen scum do in a recent game I played. In addition, I don't like that he votes waynegg for poor reasoning - it seems like on the surface scumhunting and not legitimate.
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Quoth Thoreau, "Simplify, simplify"In post 155, pieguyn wrote:let's assume 5/21 mafia. then if we get 3 random people, the chance of all of them being town is (16/21) * (15/20) * (14/19) ~ 42.11%, meaning there's more than a 50% chance one out of a random group of 3 people is scum.
The formula I've been seeing in use for determining number of scum in a nonmultiball game is scumCount = (int)(floor(playerCount / 4)), which comes to the same assumption of 5 scum, but with the simpler math, it means that one out of everyfourplayers is scum; a bloc of three in isolation means nothing.
If you want to try to use statistics to scumhunt, name your fourth. But really, don't use statistics to scumhunt, because that analysis means precisely bugger if this is multiball or there's a SK.
Flavour-wise, either multiball (Federation/Orb/Three Ships, ZAFT/PLANT, Blue Cosmos) or SK (Rau Le Creuset) makes sense, and if either of those are in play, then 5/21 scum is a shit assumption to make.
I think it's pretty likely this is multifaction based on my role PM.-
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Disregard this, it was a reading fail on my part.In post 181, Belisarius wrote:I think it's pretty likely this is multifaction based on my role PM
In other news, Kanye is town.-
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VOTE: pieguyn
I dinnae like yer attempt to distance yerself from yer shit logic once it's conclusive proven to be shit-
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Who put the bees in the what now?In post 356, Natirasha wrote:Sakura because I wasn't completely convinced by her suicide.
I just ISO'd her. There's nothing like that there. It's only a 15 page game, it's not like I'd miss that.
Also not seeing the case on DV.
Am I even reading the same game as the rest of you? I do not think that I am.-
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In post 377, talah wrote:Sakura, when you get done with your convo with Peregrine, can you please attack me for saying I wouldn't be inclined to wagon you, and then promptly wagonning you? Like... What the fuck's with that, huh?
So you're saying you're being scummy. What do we do with people who are being scummy?-
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...by pointing out said inconsistency.In post 389, talah wrote:No, I asked Sakura why she didn't challenge my inconsistency.
Translation : "Hey guys look at me I'm reaction testing by acting scummy and it's working look look look check out how protown I'm being!"
Because frankly, it's perfectly logical to suppose SH -- and anyone else for that matter -- didn't notice. It's a pretty subtle inconsistency.
Your reaction reminds me of me in Open 480.-
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You weren't in that game. But you're behaving in a manner consistent with the scum thought process I had during Open 480. When I see somebody thinking like scum-me, my first thought sure as hell isn't "Well, there's obvtown."In post 391, talah wrote:Great, and pretty sure I wasn't in that game.
Yeah okay maybe it was a shitty reaction test.
Let me ask you - are you trying to sort me or are you trying to lynch me?
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I'm not seeing anything in your ISO worth reacting to since our last tete-a-tete, and I'm trying to work out who to voke next, so if you want to dance, take your best shot now.In post 523, talah wrote:I'm still waiting on Beli to interact here, the game's pretty much stalled for me until that happens.-
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You don'tIn post 530, talah wrote:How are you intending to identify scum?reallyexpect me to explain to the scum exactly how to beat me, right?
Right?
Petulance noted and filed for future reference.Are you expecting everyone else to do the work for you?
I have no idea why the fuck anyone ever reads me the way they do in almost any game. I'm sure they'll keep on doing it, though.How is anyone in the game supposed to get a read on you?
I have no intention of trying to dodge a lynch. As far as I'm concerned, it's like turning on the bathroom light to make the sun come up. I'm just naturally transparent.Why shouldn't you be lynched aside from the fact you've interacted with virtually nobody up to this point?
Total completed games played : 20, over a period of just under a year
Total times mislynched : 1
Total times I've avoided a lynch on purpose, by force of effort : 0
No, I think I'll just sit back and let nature take its course with regards to defence.
Not enough townreads to make me happy. Actually, notDo you have any reads yet?anynon-gut townreads. My scumreads are pie, you, and wayne, which should be immediately apparent from even skimming my ISO. Hell, you could skim my ISO while drunk, riding a unicycle, and attempting to fend off attacks from pissed-off bees andstillget that much.-
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No, Mr. Bond, I expect you to die.In post 533, talah wrote: No, I had hoped for a mere second for a glimpse into your perfect lurkaderp town-win plan.
"Right"what?if you're expecting me to agree with you just because you're attempting to come off as aggressive, you've got no idea of how I function and are directly avoiding addressing it.
Is your "case" on me really so weak you need to put words in my mouth?I can't think of a more useless statement you could have made, and combined with the above - your answer is effectively that you either don't have a plan or if you do, nobody but you needs to know about it.
I get townread for reasons I neither expect nor understand. That's not saying there aren't any reasons, it's saying I don't grok the reasons and I'm not willing to waste my time struggling for something that just happens by itself.You're an annoying addition to the lynch-pool until either myself or those I trust can give a read on you, and with areasonfor the read.
Are you saying in most of your games you get townread "Because Beli"? I doubt it.
People are voting me because they're either wrong or scum. If I discern which is which, I'll vote that way. Until then, to hell with it.Do you have any idea then why people are voting you? It just could be because you're coming across as trying to dodge a lynch, no?
Aww, muffin.This does not pass for content. I don't have you pegged as a naturally aggressive or stubborn.
I'm reading you asFAKE.
If you're not willing to go over my ISO -- especially since your main argument is "lol u don't post enough," meaning it's a short -- that just shows you don't actually care, because you already know my alignment.I expect you to be able to self-narrate and give a summary of your major reads any time anyone asks you to reiterate. Going back over your ISO would be something I'd do to validate that you're not just making shit up on the fly.
That makes you a higher priority target than pie.
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VOTE: talah
Short, alignment neutral, not looking like a juicy voke target this game.What do you think of Empking, specifically? His ISO should be pretty easy for you to backfill on.-
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Why I don't care what you think I expectIn post 542, talah wrote: ...and your explanation of why?youto think? I guess it's because I have more pressing concerns, such as what to have for breakfast this morning.
Did I say both anywhere?Would you like to explain to me how waynegg and I are both scum? Have we been play-acting, or is this related to your multiball "townslip" earlier?
Nope.
You're both scumreads, that doesn't mean I've decided here and now that you'rebothscum, or scum together. You keep asking me to defend stances I haven't taken. That's telling.
Speaking of which:
No, I am not saying that. Where did I say that? Where did I say anything even remotely similar to that?This game? Are you saying that despite having *no* read on Empking, you won't be voting him at all, ever?
@Jiffy : Sod that, my vote's in the right place, and this argument is the first time I've had fun this game.-
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Oh, melenkurion abatha
I'm giving serious consideration to the possibility of multiball. In what universe would I think one of you has to be town because I don't necessarily see you as scum together?In post 576, talah wrote: Emphasis mine.
I would think you'd try to resolve the logical inconsistency of "both" of us being scumreads and coming to some sort of conclusion.
"Voke" was not a typo. It is slang for "provoke."
Why, right here, what did you forget your scumslip already?In post 570, Belisarius wrote:
No, I am not saying that. Where did I say that? Where did I say anything even remotely similar to that?This game? Are you saying that despite having *no* read on Empking, you won't be voting him at all, ever?
1) His ISO is short and alignment neutralIn post 541, Belisarius wrote:
Short, alignment neutral, not looking like a juicy voke target this game.What do you think of Empking, specifically? His ISO should be pretty easy for you to backfill on.
2) He's not looking like a juicy vote target this game
Please clarify, seeing you don't like me telling you how I'm reading things.
And yet more petulance. I haven't seen you so petulant as town.
Is it because now you've got something to do?In post 570, Belisarius wrote:@Jiffy : Sod that, my vote's in the right place, and this argument is the first time I've had fun this game.
It's because now you've got something to do, isn't it?
Nice and safe in the 'argue with talah and do nothing else' zone.-
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This alone makes me want to take another run at using McClish...Perhaps if I try less hard to be "rigorous" and omit borderline tells...In post 736, mastin2 wrote:Tone's forced, content's not. Am not faking.
Omitting the "I" in a statement shows a desire on the speaker's behalf to distance themselves from the lie they are telling.
Hmmm. 30 pages in, could probably bang it out in 3-4 hours. I should have time for that on Saturday. You've piqued my interest.-
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OK, as promised, I've got a start on going over ISO's using McClish's methodology; not as promised, though, I'm going to be doing it in chunks so I don't get burned out halfway through and miss important shit, so for now you get the playerlist up to AGar in the order they appear in the opening post and then smurf you guys I'm playing FFXIV for the rest of the day. Some of what I've dug up here has nothing to do with the McClish methodology and it will be labelled as such.
DrDolittle:
#90 : Words, words, words. With such an ability to use so many words without saying anything, the good Doctor would fit in perfectly in Ottawa.
#188 : (Not McClish) Wherefore the assumption that I'm ZAFT specifically? I could understand calling me scum, but ZAFT? Furthermore, read the opening flavour. Miguel is ZAFT and "flipped" town. I don't know about anyone else, but my role PM doesn't even say if I'm a Coordinator or a Natural, which leads me to believe that genetics is irrelevant to alignment. (For the record, I know from flavour familiarity that I'm a Natural and ergo not ZAFT. I wanted to be ZAFT, but I didn't get what I wanted.)
#281 : Smokescreening; Doc is aware that the majority of this post is irrelevant, as evinced by the statment "that is irrelevant," but left it in anyways. Also seeing contraction avoidance in this post, which is a hallmark of the dishonest.
#678 : "a lot of other players"; The clinical term for this is "weasel words"
#752 : "Actually"
kanye: Running McClish on kanye's ISO has caused me to do a complete 180 on my read on him. Where reading his posts in context gave me an impression that he was trying to avoid taking responsibility for his reads, focusing on his posts closer show that's not true; in fact, when I run through my list of things McClish says to watch out for, kanye's doingexactly the oppositeconsistently. I like his use of diction, since he syntactically places himself close to his positions. On the non-McClish front, I'm liking his lack of fear with regards to attacking strong players, and I'm liking his "eat shit and die" attitude. Basically, unless kanye outright claims scum or someone gets a cop guilty on him, there's no way in fuck I'm ever voting for him.
waynegg:
#44 : Omitting the "I"; for that matter, elsewhere in his ISO, I notice him consistently phrasing things so that he doesn't have to talk about himself.
#156 : Why the passive voice?
#211 : To be specific, this is obfuscative language.
#242 : Sentence fragments.
#409 : "I'm pretty sure you know you didn't say what you may have been trying to convey right there..." -- obfuscative language
#613 : More obfuscative language
pieguy: This is kanye all over again; I expected to find a goldmine of McClish tells, instead I find fuck all and reverse-tells (syntactic proximity, use of strong adjectives).
(Not McClish) : I still don't like his jump on to Empking for no goddamn reason.
AGar: Clean as a whistle, sharp as a thistle, best in all Westminster; I even like his opposition to shitwagons in spite of the combination of a) one of them was on me, and b) I am pretty paranoid about possible buddying. I may sheep him depending on what I turn up on Levi tomorrow.-
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I'm ISOing people using methodology taught by US Marshal Mark McClish.In post 880, Majiffy wrote:Can we get some tl;dr's up in here?
I've done it before and it didn't turn out well, so I was hesitant to use it for a while, but I'm pretty sure it failed because my application of the methodology was faulty, as opposed to the methodology itself which is still in use by federal police in the US and Canada. I think I know how I failed (reaching too much for tells) and that means I can fix it.
>> Completely reverses 2 readsIn post 883, waynegg wrote:@beli ~ I think you should have more confirmation bias.
>> is confbias'd.
Better cast your net again, you fished up a pile of shit.-
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PV: Seems excessively polite. Not feeling any heat from his vote on me, but I did in La Isla, where it seemed to have some force behind it.
Levi: #9: Rule of Three (McClish's Rule of Three differs from mafiascum's; it states, in short, that when a liar has to make up a number, three is by far the most common one used. There's a whole freakin' chapter on it in one of his books)
#59 : Never
#64: rule of 3 again
#189: "I think we can agree" is conciliatory language which is entirely unwarranted in this context
#237: (Not McClish) "Either the anger is completely fake and he's scum using it to push a wagon or its truely genuine and its insanely town." -- I seriously can't see towneverposting that.
#293: DOUBLE WHAMMY: "In my opinion pretty much anyone can die day 1 and I wouldn't really care." passive voiceanddistancing his personal pronoun from the subject!
#238: "barely done much." is really obfuscative and unnatural language
#554 : Omitting the I.
#557 : Actually-tell and obfuscative, unnatural use of language in one shot with "Actually that's kind of complicated at the moment."
As of #864, noticing aridiculousamount of text-smilies. Levi is nervous.
#887 : Actually-tell and obfuscative language in "well, I feel most my scum reads actually lie within my nulls. =P "
Svenskt:
#676: (Not McClish) shows worry about how he's being read right out of the gate.
#702: Reverse-tell - language shows close positioning between the personal pronoun and the subject, which occurs more frequently in honest statements.
#706: (Not McClish) Why me = fry me. Which is a weak as fuck read, but it's there.
#710: Contraction avoidance
#865-6: (Not McClish) I AM THE POWER! FEAR ME! FOR NOW I COME TO DESTROY YOU ALL! *fucks off for a week*
#890: Omitting the I
Empking:
#42: Sentence fragment
#129-184: Reverse-tell: close positioning between personal pronoun and subject
#287: Overly polite language
#879: DOUBLE WHAMMY: "However it certainly annoys." Passive voice and omission of the personal pronoun
#931: (Not McClish) "Maj makes good points" reads to me as "Don't hold me responsible for this position when pie flips town."
Majiffy:
#270: (Not McClish) Why me = fry me
...annnd that's all I've got. Either I've already got analysis burnout (and I haven't finishedonepot of coffee yet so I doubt it's that) or Jiffy is town as fuck.
Short break, posting this now but I'll do the rest before I get on with the rest of my day.
@Jiffy: You know, Iwasgoing to answer your tl;dr request but then I realised that there's absolutely no reason that town would ever want to know my reads without knowing the reasoning behind that, so fuck that.
Nobody else summarise these analyses either.
5 down, 10 more to go. The difference between yesterday and today, though, is that this is theonlygame where I'm doing this fucking drudge work, so I'm pretty sure I can make it all the way through.-
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Pyro:
#423: Super
#625: (Not McClish) "My brain isn't quite here tight now butI'm oretty sure that we have beli as town now, but I need to check back. I still don't like deas but he does so."; at the time this post was made, their vote was on me.
And once again, that's all I can find. Verdict: Town
Sakura Hana:
#16: Rule of Three
#37: Passive voice
#96: Omitting the personal pronoun
#371: Reverse-tell: "I can't stand this any longer, somebody pay attention to me!"; Someone wanting to blend in is not likely to do this.
#399: Super
#811: My god she's saying "Just saying" a lot.
NachoKoopa:
#194: "I probably wasn't entirely serious." -- What is this shit?
#600: "It feels like" is more wishy-washy language than I'd expect to see from Nacho; I've never met the other head of this hydra, though. Also, "actually"
#612: "Seems to be"; wishy-washy II: The Revenge
DeasVail:
#28: "kind of" = wishy-washy
#101: "Particularly likely," "not really feeling it" are also wishy-washy
#112: Yes, I did see the "less likely," but in context, I'm fine with it. That's the kind of false-tell that I think fucked me up when I tried to use this method before
#162: "it's become a concerning trend for me lately" -- passive voice
#334: (Not McClish) Reverse-tell -- "I like buddying/saying what I think when it's something nice to say, and I'm not going to stop just because some people seem to think it's a scumtell. " Translate that into terminology that would find more favour on this site and you'll come up with "I'll do what I want because fuck you."
#459: "but she just feels flat to me and I don't get the impression that she's actually scumhunting." is incredibly wishy-washy. I'm starting to think DV's wishy-washiness is a playstyle-tell and should be disregarded, so I'm not going to include it in this list anymore
Matias:
#68: (Not McClish) "By the way, that was a weird statement." bugs me, but I can't put my finger on it due to my brain being an asshole
#573: Overly polite
Whew, last block of 5. This method is such a huge pain in the ass. And the worst part is, now that I've invested this much into it, I pretty much have to keep it up from the Dead QT even after I'm killed, like I did in Open 506.
AA9: Bugger all to go on.
talah:
#127: "virtually", "pretty much"
#215: "I'm being perfectly honest" -- then why do you have to point it out?
#377: (Not McClish, but can't leave this out): "Hey look how scummy I'm being" is a giant red flag that's on fire surrounded by a thousand middle fingers that are also made out of fire. And the red flag has a picture of fire on it.
#389: "We? Do you mean good mafia players? Good scumhunters? Yourself notionally as part of one of these groups? Yourself by extension onto the universe of how you think all Mafia players should act?
People? Me? Your grouping of all people who act scummily according to you? People who act in the same way as I am acting?
Scummy? The way I acted in this particular sequence? The assertion you are making?" -- Escalation into anger, ad hom.
#398: "You do realise I literally and provably haven't rolled scum before. I would have to be a fucking psychopath to be playing like I am as first time scum, wouldn't I?" -- This is a non-sequitur, as I -- "literally and provably" -- played exactly like this the second time I rolled scum (Open 480), which was the first time I was scum whennotreplacing into an already heavily-suspected scumslot late in the game.
#533: "Going back over your ISO would be something I'd do to validate that you're not just making shit up on the fly." -- Passive voice
talah gets better in the second ~500 posts in the game though.
Nati:
#95: Omitting the I in the last sentence.
#286: Again, omitting the personal pronoun all post long this time
--huge jump
#662: Contraction avoidance
mastin:
#29: Omitting the personal pronoun
#35: Omitting the personal pronoun
#39: Omitting the personal pronoun
#255: I'm starting to sound like a broken record here: Omitting the personal pronoun
#ALL: You know what, fuck it, pretend I just listed the post numbers of every one of mastin's posts and pasted "Omitting the personal pronoun" beside each and every one of them. That's the only McClish-tell he's committed in his ISO.
Kalimar:
Nothing. Absolutely nothing. There's only 10 posts in his ISO, but they're not one-liners and he's committed exactly zero of the things McClish says to watch out for. Why are people looking at Kalimar as a prospective lynch? I don't get it.
Finally done, and since it took 5 1/2 hours not counting what I put in yesterday, I don't fucking want to hear anyone say I haven't done anything this game.-
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Correct; I have no baseline or I might have voted you already.In post 958, leviathan93 wrote:@beli, you have obviously not played with me before. =P I use smilies ridiculously often. =P like after every sentence for the most part. =P you may think smilies are scummy or make me look nervous but i ain't. =P
Ongoing game rule.In post 963, DeasVail wrote:Beli, have you seen me play elsewhere?-
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Context; you look at intent, not just form. Statement Analysis is not just an excuse to be a grammar nazi. The sentence fragment in that post -- along with the pronoun omission -- forms a complete thought with the preceding sentence.In post 970, talah wrote:why didn't post 312 detonate your frontal lobe
I totally didn't miss it entirely.
I'm still good with talah or waynegg.In post 971, pieguyn wrote:Beli who do you wanna lynch today-
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Again:In post 986, talah wrote:And Beli I was talking about your law of threes in post 312.
The Rule of Three is that dishonest people trend towards using the number three when they're making up numbers, not "you should think HOLY FUCK SCUM" every time someone uses the number three.
All of the 3s in 312 are copy/pasted from vote counts. These are not numbers that could be made up.
Since when is Tolle a mobile suit pilot?In post 999, leviathan93 wrote:oh and I'm Tolle Koenig, my mobile suit has no abilities. =/
Should Levi flip scum, we can safely assume his entire scumteam have mobile suits.-
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Why would you assume everybody has a mobile suit?
Do you know the difference between a mobile suit and a mobile armour?
I'm not prepared to dismiss the notion of sans-ability mobile suits, but I can't imagine why they'd be included, but I don't see enough actual mobile suit pilots in the series to fill the playerlist without filling it with mooks while major characters get ignored.-
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In post 1009, leviathan93 wrote:we should assume everyone has mobile suits
*brain explodes*In post 1014, leviathan93 wrote:I said I assumed everyone had a ability not necessarily a suit.
YOU SEE?
FUCK YOU, NATIRASHA
FUCK YOU
FUCK YOU
FUCK YOU
OH AND ONE OTHER THING
CAN YOU GUESS WHAT IT IS?-
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THE OTHER THING IS FUCK YOU.
I wanted to see where that conversation went. I wanted to see what other players saidwithoutany pilots knowing if there were non-pilots. NOT GONNA HAPPEN NOW IS IT?-
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Levi's claim pretty much forces him to take the position that non-mobile suit pilots in the series can be mobile suit pilots in this game, because Tolle is not a mobile suit pilot.In post 1019, waynegg wrote:The old janitor non pilot claim earlier today kinda squashed that before you even asked it belly.-
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In post 1024, waynegg wrote:all the scum are off my wagon...Who put the bees in the what now?
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Nope, all 3 of those are mislynches.In post 1032, Majiffy wrote:DrDo, Pere, Mastin, Matias, Kanye, Pyro, Beli, AA9, Kalimar
If your name is above, you need to vote one of the following;
Majiffy, Agar, Pieguyn
Smart money is on Piescum.
If the majority of the town wants to mislynch so be it, but you can do it without my vote.
#312 was simply a list of every wagon with more than one vote that wasIn post 1041, talah wrote:Beli, continuing on, if you're going to be attempting written analysis and then include your own interpretation of the psychology behind it, then it's absolutely valid to include the psychology which would cause a player to pick out three wagons with three players on them, and then reinforce the same thinking by pressing only three scumreads.not on himself. The fact that there were three such wagons, or that each had three votes on them, or that the first digit in the post number was a threedoes not make that qualify for the Rule of 3.
Seriously, it waspreciselybullshit overreaching like that that made this method fail in Open 506 and Newbie 1375-
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Yes, and I'm not seeing scum in it on either side.
Look, I wanted my first take on pie to be right when I looked at him in depth and was forced to conclude that I was wrong. It's time for you to do the same thing and get off that shitwagon.
I'm pretty ambivalent about the pressure on levi, DV and AA9 (although I don't understand why people want those last two), but absolutely opposed to a pie lynch.-
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EBWOP: I need to stop ignoring post previews. That was @Jiffy's question about whether anyone had read the Jiffy/Pie interaction.-
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You don't seriously think you're getting Nacho today, do you?
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The guy who's playing the way I did in my first non-replacement scumgame.
I haven't exactly been making it a secret.-
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talah.In post 1530, Natirasha wrote:Refresh my memory.
TBF, I don't blame anyone not-me for refusing to vote a player for playing like scumBeli. That dude's balls to the wall awesome.-
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FTFY.In post 1550, kanyeknowsbest wrote:iof you want to talk about vig targets that are strong for town despite almost certainly hitting town, you are scum.-
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Dinnae let it get ta ye, lass.
I fucked up (5p) lylo as a cop with a guilty. Top that.-
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OK, so sober-me has you as town right now but drunk-me read that and said KILL KILL KILL, so would'st thou kindly explain in what firked-up universe Wayne is town?In post 1563, kanyeknowsbest wrote:ima ctually pretty happy w. waynes posting and dont get what the problem w. him is.
I mean, his bargaining attemp with me alone is dirty as fuck. Town doesn't respect me worth shit. Who town would give a damn about earning my vote?-
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Not a snowball's chance in hell.In post 1575, talah wrote:What if we leave Levi and Beli out and put kayne in the pool?
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*brain explodes*In post 1665, Sakura Hana wrote:I never said if my suit has abilities or not, im just saying that i share a neighborhood with Levi.
So you're claiming that you have a suit?
At least Tolle piloted a mobile armour.
I despair of getting through to anyone on that score when we have players using "gundam" and "mobile suit" interchangeably, though.-
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What, that people are using "gundam" and "mobile suit" interchangeably, or the obvious fakeclaims levi and SH have spewed?
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Rau's Gundam Wikia PageIn post 1772, Pyrotechnics wrote:you did a possible flavor post where you gave some characters and what they might be. You said that Rau Le Creuset could be a serial killer. Could you see him as anything else?
I haven't actually read that page, though, so more from memory:
-Le Creuset is a lone-wolf type who just wants to kill everyone because...uh, reasons, the perfect archetype for a serial killer. He plays the Patrick Zala faction against the Blue Cosmos to try to keep the PLANT/Earth war going.
-He is a Coordinator
-He's nominally aligned with ZAFT
-He's a clone of Mwu La Flaga's father
We know that the middle 2 are probably not germane to alignment due to opening flavour (Miguel flipped town, and he's a ZAFT-aligned coordinator)
Le Creuset/La Flaga would make a more logical Mason/Neigbour pairing than Tolle and Miri due to the genetic matching.
If flavourisrelevant to alignment, town roles are most likely drawn from those aligned with the Three Ships Navy or ORB as of the end of the series. I can easily see nominally ZAFT or OMNI characters being town, even if they aren't officially listed as Three Ships/ORB, though, as long as they're not hardline anti-Coordinator or anti-Natural. I'd have a hard time seeing Athrun or Lacus as scum. Scum roles are most likely to come from the (Patrick) Zala Faction and Blue Cosmos.-
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Holy shit the activity.
Point form:
*Pretty sure Wake is town, and even surer I know which character he is. That character's aligned with the Three Ships Navy in-series.
*I think at this point identifying Wake's character claim would do no good and may do harm, but I'm going to Evernote who I think he is in case I forget
*Pie's claim is too perfect to be a lie or fakeclaim.
*Pie's claim makes me look like Mu La Flaga. I am not Mu La Flaga.
*I still don't understand why so many people want AA9 dead.
*The DrD wagon, conversely, pleases me.
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Yeah -- by me. I'm not exactly a player that's swimming in respect this game. The smart thing for fakeclaiming scum would be to disregard and/or mock me.In post 1988, Majiffy wrote:You mean the flavor that was provided earlier in the thread?
Furthermore, I didn't provide all of that detail and all of it is right.-
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Who the fuck would kill AA9?
Clearly not a normal D1 townread.-
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Er, crap, gotta stop drunkposting as town.
Clearly Pie killed AA9, and the scum kill was blocked.-
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At this point all of the D2 discussion is "Yuh-uh"ing and "Nuh-uh"ing about lynching pie and abso-fucking-lutely nothing is happening that might catch scum instead.
This distraction from scumhunting needs to be eliminated.
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+1In post 3972, DeasVail wrote:SO MANY PAGES
I can see "Not all of the scum can't be involved in flavour pairings," but where do you get "NO scum can be involved in flavour pairings?"In post 3979, Titus wrote:I also cannot see scum having "obvious" pairings like that as a matter of balances.
By that logic, levi must be town because Sakura is.
Rau doesn't make sense as groupscum flavourwise full stop.In post 3980, Pyrotechnics wrote:But, because we have that connection, I think it makes sense that we're just each other's polar opposites, which leads me to believe he is a serial killer and is not group scum.-
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Where's the associative tell between Wake's claim and DV's flip?
Waldfeld is a Coordinator; the Blue Cosmos's raison d'etre iskill all Coordinators.-
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Was this addressed to me? Because you have more than just my word on it. You haveIn post 4282, kanyeknowsbest wrote:i only have your word on that 1the internet.
P-EDIT: @ Nati: Yes, the Zala Faction within PLANT are Coordinators who want to kill all of the Naturals. I object to this strenuously because I'm a Natural.-
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EBWOP: The Patrick Zala faction, that is. There is one Zala who would fit town flavour.-
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Not onIn post 4288, kanyeknowsbest wrote:i dont think natural vs coordinator has any bearing on alignmenttown-alignment, no -- we already have both Naturals and Coordinators amongst those who have flipped town. The Blue Cosmos faction is guaranteed Natural-only, though, just as a hypothetical Patrick Zala Faction would be required to be Coordinator-only.-
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I claimed Natural, but I'm not giving out my name, role, or whether or not I pilot a mobile suit.In post 4623, PeregrineV wrote:I saw three claims for coordinators. Are those all of them, or do we have more? And is there any natural claims?-
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I'm not voting Wake.In post 4674, kanyeknowsbest wrote:fix pls. with a wake vote.
I'm fine with Pie or Levi.
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I don't think he's scum.In post 4714, Titus wrote:Why won't you vote Wake?
I don't see scum motivation in pissing people off by banging on about the SK continuouslyand then continuing to do soafter it becomes apparent people want to lynch him for that behavior.
I can see trying to create a diversion, but Wake's carried it further than it makes sense for scum to.
Also, his claim is logical -- I wouldn't make a SEED game without including Waltfeld. This means next to nothing due to the possibility of mod-supplied fakeclaims, but on the other hand I don't think that someone who doesn't even know what a Coordinator is would have the flavour knowledge necessary to pick Waltfeld out of a list of fakeclaims unless they'reallthat good.