WWE Believe in the Shield

[Desperado]

I don't get why Despo is voting Darthe if he just said he doesn't think scum told.

Likewise Mac continues to push me. At least Nero and Malcolm put me where they treat me.

Not likewise. I said I didn't see you pull an Amished tell, while simultaneously agreeing with Nero's interpretation of what you did.

You're far from my main scumread. I tried my best to get an Arc wagon started but basically no one bit (or even commented on my case), and given the choice between Monkey, you, or myself, you were the lynch for me.

[Desperado]

A little displeased, a little intrigued.

Can you explain Macscum for me again? All I got from your ISO is that he thinks monkey and arc are both scum and they were competing wagons at one point, and his townread on Nero "isn't legitimate." I think his argument with Monkey was town, and his giving multiple recap/summary posts (2006, 2099, 2360) are all transparent and unbiased summaries of the gamestate, which I find town motivated.

I don't understand Penguin either...Squid was pretty town for 659. Where did your scumread on Squid come from? What felt fake and artificial about Penguin's posts? I've found them pretty genuine personally.

Also this defense of Darthe that I found in the course of ISOing you is confusing:

^ Not only does that read as fake, but it also comes directly after a prod and is on someone who isn't going to die this close to deadline.

Okay, guys. Seriously. Walk me through, real slowly, real carefully, why Darthe is scum.

'Cause this? THIS?

This looks like town, like, seriously seriously town.

I haven't read the game yet, obv, but this does not seem like a scum-Darthe. (Granted, I've only seen town-Darthe so I don't know what his scumplay actually is,

but it certainly looks town. )

It actually reflects my thoughts on penguin's post perfectly; it felt fake and artificial. (Penguin has become a bit of a scumread, by the way.)

Can you walk me through your thought process here? Your townread on Darthe is not at all clear to me. And if it really is just a gut feeling, can you explain why you're so confident in it that you're trying to start a darkhorse wagon 3 days before the deadline when this player list has already shown an inability to lynch, even if they're only presented with two options? This:

Contrary to popular belief, yes, we CAN get a darkhorse lynch to go through with the time we have, and--contrary to popular belief--it CAN be on scum.

Has been disproven in this very thread. We couldn't even get a lynch WITHOUT a darkhorse last minute candidate. What on earth leads you to believe that you can accomplish this?

[Desperado]

I don't get why Despo is voting Darthe if he just said he doesn't think scum told.

I said I didn't see the Amished tell, but that I agreed that what he did was not town motivated.

Please read everything I say before making some kind of judgement, this isn't the first time you've clearly misread me.

I don't see much of a difference there. Does it really matter if he committed a specific named tell as long as there was no town intent?

Mastin-deadline is close. I don't know what time British Standard time is in Central time for me and we CANNOT no lynch today. And this whole "stop the Darthe wagon" could easily end in a no lynch. Just look at day 1.

No it really doesn't. But you decided to butt in to a question that I asked Mac, even though I had already stated that I agreed with your interpretation of events (and continued to say that I agreed in the process of discussing it with you).

The 2nd paragraph is why you're town.

[Desperado]

I asked a lot more than just that one question Mastin.

And I frankly don't give a damn if you're gonna choose me in some hypothetical Darthe-Desperado dichotomy that doesn't even exist right now. Am I supposed to feel threatened or something? You admit you haven't read the game but me being a "dead null read" is "dangerous?" Stop pretending you're in a position of authority and start actually assuming one, because all I'm getting from you is empty rhetoric about how bad we all are right now, and the last thing it can be described as is endearing.

[Desperado]

You aren't even pushing a case on penguin, or Mac.

I gave you a chance to explain to me why you think they're scum, and you deliberately avoided doing so in favor of yelling at us some more.

So if you're actually interested in accomplishing what you are proposing, you could start by answering the questions that you clipped out of 2526.

[Desperado]

Can you link me to some penguinscum games?

And I largely agree with you about darthe, I'm just more sure on monkey town. Did you ever comment on my arc case? This is not her town game. Can we compromise there?

[Desperado]

Why is he still alive? Someone hammer

[Desperado]

Because the lists also benefit scum...and he hasn't finished reading so his reads don't carry a lot of meaning.

[Desperado]

Do not vig me Nero. I'm town and if you would take even a second to consider the possibility, you would have seen it by now.

[Desperado]

Monkey, raven, Nero, Malcolm are town.

Mastin completely avoiding my questions about his scum reads in favor of telling us how bad we are looks even worse now

Don't really have a problem with penguins play this game in comparison with his meta--mastins push here makes me feel even better about it

I would vig amethyst tonight given the opportunity

Anything else you're interested in knowing?

[Desperado]

Because the lists also benefit scum...and he hasn't finished reading so his reads don't carry a lot of meaning.

this looks like scum to me 'cause its not like I haven't been asking for lists and this is the first time you've had an issue with me asking for them. + the benefit town as well.

This is the first time we have had scum in our grasp. The situation had changed, so my opinion changed with it. Yiur insistence on the list was becoming antitown.

[Desperado]

I think you should use you best judgement, yes.

[Desperado]

Vote: Mastin

[Desperado]

Vote: Mac

Sheeping Mastin here...I know he would want me to.

[Desperado]

Also I dont particularly want to lynch desperado.

Why not?

Because I'm so town that Mastin, given the choice, voted himself over me.

Now forget about his misfire on Darthe and sheep his Mac read, because it's so sexy I can barely contain myself.

[Desperado]

Because I'm more in tune with his Mac read. When Mac flips scum, then we'll know for sure to take his read on penguin seriously.

[Desperado]

Those are fair points. Is Mac a townread for you?

[Desperado]

Fine. Without your support he isn't getting lynched, which forces me to claim.

I am

The Miz

, the

town-aligned Follower

.

Each night I choose one person to...follow, and I learn what action they took but not on whom.

Mac took a killing action last night.

xMalcolmx did not take any action night one.

Mac is confirmed scum, please lynch him

[Desperado]

vote:mac

should have waited to look at reactions but meh.

meh indeed. Speedlynch = no possible SHIELD kill, so let's go

[Desperado]

My reads if I don't make it, town to scum:

Nero
Malcolm
Raven
Monkeyman
Pidgey


Goat
mutley
penguin
Syryana


Rubicon
ferret
Peregrine
AngryPidgeon
Mac

[Desperado]

My reads if I don't make it, town to scum:

Nero
Malcolm
Raven
Monkeyman
Pidgey


Goat
mutley
penguin
Syryana


Rubicon
ferret
Peregrine
AngryPidgeon
Mac

[Desperado]

It goes without saying (but I'm going to say it anyways, that if Mac flips town we are killing Despo no questions asked.

You are so insufferable.

[Desperado]

In case it wasn't clear, it doesn't go without saying.

[Desperado]

If there is a bus driver shouldn't they claim to avoid lynching a townie?

Caught scum rolefishing

@ Ferret: who cares? He's scum.

[Desperado]

Oh yeah forgot.

Do we even need a claim?

VOTE: Mac

He already claimed 2-Shot commuter (and later, Ryback)

[Desperado]

I'm not going to struggle with much. The mod said you performed a kill last night and only the Heyman flavor accompanied the death. I'm not going to let the possibility of a bus driver cloud my conscience at all...if you don't flip scum then I'll deal with it later the same as everyone else.

Can you go ahead and vote yourself now?

[Desperado]

Catching up tomorrow.

Scummy

That's L-1. Someone hammer him please.

[Desperado]

Don't let Mac's pretty distractions sway you.

no one was claiming that we shouldn't lynch Mac.

He also hasn't voted Mac himself but he's scum so it's to be expected.

Someone hammer

[Desperado]

Happy Father's Day!

What's the word, Desperado?

95% sure I found our doc last night. Unless you think scum has a protective role?

[Desperado]

Happy Father's Day!

What's the word, Desperado?

95% sure I found our doc last night. Unless you think scum has a protective role?

I don't think you should have told us this thinking about it.

Nah I'm pretty comfortable with it. Set-up speculation can be dumb but with so many VT flips I seriously doubt that I'm the town's top PR, considering the limitations on my role. Now that we know there's a protective role, a more important PR with results of their own should feel free to come forward. We're way ahead right now as far as I'm concerned, so with 3 nights of results and a known protective role in the game, there's no reason not to claim right now.

[Desperado]

I agree in part. My reasoning is by saying we have a doc. I bet scum could narrow it down a lot on who it is

How would they do that?

[Desperado]

Ferret is town.

I don't particularly want to lynch Mut but if he keeps being a tool then I would consider utility lynching him.

We aren't utility lynching anyone at this stage in the game.

[Desperado]

Vote: Syryana

[Desperado]

I won't be lynching Malcolm, Goat, Nero, Raven, or Monkey today

That leaves Pidgey, penguin, mutley, ferret, and Rubicon.

Of those five I feel the best about Pidgey.

I'm going to trust my original read on Krab/mutley.

Vote: Mutley

Pedit: yes it needs explaining

[Desperado]

Unvote:
Vote: Penguin_Alien

^5 Pidgey.

[Desperado]

Desp why did you say you feel best about pidgey but then vote me?

By "best" I meant "the person I feel out of those 5 is most likely to be town is Pidgey." I felt the worst about you. So I voted you.

[Desperado]

Votecount 3.1:

Mac (8-LYNCH) -

Desperado, Rubicon, Nero Cain, pidgey, MonkeyMan576, ferretlover, The Goat, xMALCOLMx

Not Voting (7) -

AngryPidgeon, Syryana, penguin_alien, Mutleyddmc, Ravenpaw, Mac, PeregrineV

Day 3 now begins. With 15 alive it takes 8 to lynch. Deadline is in 2 weeks, at 10pm BST on Thursday 27th June 2013

Mac has been lynched. Flip incoming.

Votecount 4.2:

Syryana (7-LYNCH) -

Nero Cain, The Goat, ferretlover, xMALCOLMx, Desperado, Mutleyddmc, Pidgey

PeregrineV (1) -

MonkeyMan576

Not Voting (5) -

Rubicon, Syryana, penguin_alien, Ravenpaw, PeregrineV

Day 4 will end at 9am BST on Sunday 30th June 2013.

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to lynch.

A lynch has been achieved. Flip incoming. (I locked the thread on my phone as soon as the lynch hit)

Penguin and Raven are the only living repeat no voters. That takes Raven off my "don't lynch" especially if Penguin flips scum.

[Desperado]

What about ravenpaw?

What about her?

[Desperado]

What about ravenpaw?

What about her?

[Desperado]

What about ravenpaw?

What about her?

[Desperado]

Whoops sorry about that

[Desperado]

Yeah. She and Penguin are the only two to both be no-voting during the last two lynches. Which is why, especially if Penguin flips heyman scum, I will likely want to lynch her.

So can we finish this off or what?

[Desperado]

then

We've also speculated that the Shield kill can be affected how many members they have left. Perhaps they have to wait a certain amount of time to make the kill and couldn't do it right now even if they wanted.

It doesn't really matter. Penguin's only defense is a bus driver. Who would have claimed already when Mac tried to use the threat of a bus driver to explain why HE was caught killing someone.

Just hammer him.

[Desperado]

Claim time: I'm Daniel Bryan, VT. I'm not scum of any type, nor am I responsible for the kill. Although given the flavor change, either the Heyman killer has changed or Heyman isn't the ones killing the last two nights. I doubt pidgey is scum either, given that the flavor of triple-bombing implied at least one three-man scum team, which makes it likely the Heymen are equivalent in size. That in turn suggests we have one scum team member of each faction left, making a fake claim from scum-pidgey very sub-optimal. And if I were Shield I'd've daykilled before making this post.

I don't know what role besides busdriver could have given pidgey a false result, but then I'd never heard of a self-watcher before Darthe's flip, so who knows what else the scum might have.

I'm not sure who I think is most likely scum anymore, given the speed of the last two days. I'd be inclined to reexamine some earlier suspects who've faded from notice, but I don't know who off the top of my head.

Of course the flavor changed, Punk is dead. The only Heyman left is probably Lesnar.

[Desperado]

Claim time: I'm Daniel Bryan, VT. I'm not scum of any type, nor am I responsible for the kill. Although given the flavor change, either the Heyman killer has changed or Heyman isn't the ones killing the last two nights. I doubt pidgey is scum either, given that the flavor of triple-bombing implied at least one three-man scum team, which makes it likely the Heymen are equivalent in size. That in turn suggests we have one scum team member of each faction left, making a fake claim from scum-pidgey very sub-optimal. And if I were Shield I'd've daykilled before making this post.

I don't know what role besides busdriver could have given pidgey a false result, but then I'd never heard of a self-watcher before Darthe's flip, so who knows what else the scum might have.

I'm not sure who I think is most likely scum anymore, given the speed of the last two days. I'd be inclined to reexamine some earlier suspects who've faded from notice, but I don't know who off the top of my head.

Of course the flavor changed, Punk is dead. The only Heyman left is probably Lesnar.

[Desperado]

Claim time: I'm Daniel Bryan, VT. I'm not scum of any type, nor am I responsible for the kill. Although given the flavor change, either the Heyman killer has changed or Heyman isn't the ones killing the last two nights. I doubt pidgey is scum either, given that the flavor of triple-bombing implied at least one three-man scum team, which makes it likely the Heymen are equivalent in size. That in turn suggests we have one scum team member of each faction left, making a fake claim from scum-pidgey very sub-optimal. And if I were Shield I'd've daykilled before making this post.

I don't know what role besides busdriver could have given pidgey a false result, but then I'd never heard of a self-watcher before Darthe's flip, so who knows what else the scum might have.

I'm not sure who I think is most likely scum anymore, given the speed of the last two days. I'd be inclined to reexamine some earlier suspects who've faded from notice, but I don't know who off the top of my head.

Of course the flavor changed, Punk is dead. The only Heyman left is probably Lesnar.

[Desperado]

WHY DO I KEEP TRIPLE POSTING FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF

[Desperado]

Really well done to all parties (especially SHIELD for killing GCBC)

[Desperado]

If someone asked me what I did N4 I was going to lie and say I followed Peregrine out of shame...dunno how I forgot to send something in.

Didn't matter though! Badass town PRs doing badass things = steamrolled scum team.

[Desperado]

I loved the flavor, Nexus, and would join your next game in a heartbeat

[Desperado]

Within the role PMs to the scum

[Desperado]

Nth WWE Town

Pretty sure every town PR had a successful action at least once (except Nero )

[Desperado]

whoops wrong thread