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I'll try to read through the entire game, but I don't know if I can be bothered to do so, so I'll at least read since beginning of D4.Sup, later.-
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First impressions:
reading D4 is tedious work.
I tend to confuse passionate posting styles with pro-town behavior. There's heaps of it with MBL and Ibby. Hell if I know if they're pro-town or anti-town, but I can't help but think they're pro-town because of it.
Things that immediately popped up for me:
Fuldu - somewhere he said that he wanted to be right about picking scumbags. I don't like that language. I'll have to find that quote sometime. Might not even have been him. I forgot where it was and can't find it again.
Pooky - I generally have no read on Pooky ever. Very interesting to read the interactions he has with others though. Also his scum+vig office theory smelled bad.
Ibby - no read, but I don't agree with armlx's suspicions on her based on the office. Nonetheless, armlx had unvoted when he realized that alignment and office were independent.
Uraj - I find him pro-town by the way he argues.
spectrum - I find her jabs to be suspicious. I know she replaced into the game, but it seems that her vote choices are very isolated and in the moment. Considering that it was in D4 when she made those votes, I'm curious as to what information she has gleaned from previous days and how it affects her suspicions. Also, she's pushing the "please replace these people" thing way too much. Almost as if she's taking on the duty of needing to do it.
StD/Max - I keep hearing Max was suspicious and StD doesn't seem to look extremely pro-town either. But I'd have to get more information because my feeling on everyone seems to be gut.
mathcam - I find the N1 roleblock to be significant information. I suppose it could explain lesser kills N1, but it's not conclusive evidence. But it appears that lingering suspicion combined with exhaustion from the crashes has brought us to mathcam quite quickly. I can confirm that mathcam is the office-switcher and that armlx performed that action during last night. Not sure why armlx switched himself with mathcam, but as we all know now Quinn is a vanilla and Kay is a office-switcher. Also, I highly believe that there are two or more office-switchers based on my information and that armlx knew of it as well.
This information is all accurate.mathcam wrote:Sorry, let me answer your question directly. I'm only answering for my role - I can't speak for MMoD.
I cannot blow up offices.
I don't know what happens if my target moves. I'm sure Yaw has an intricate ruleset designed to handle these scenarios.
I think this has already been answered by Uraj moving himself.Sup, later.-
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likely. I just remember through my D4 read-through that I was only feeling Ibby and MBL was pro-town, so I thought I should expand my thoughts on others who might be pro-town. The next person that pinged pro-town during D4 was Uraj, but it wasn't until I was half-way through the read. Some post started it up and I haven't felt he was extremely anti-town since then. May have just been that I liked the way he approached things, it probably wasn't necessarily about what he specifically said - because I specifically do not remember who he was pushing as his suspect or as pro-town during that post. The only person whose suspects and pro-town inklings I made an effort to remember were from MBL - but even then, I remember that some of his efforts were too premature and that some of his moves were more to warn people about good or bad moves and that I did not always agree with his stance - but the way MBL made his moves felt pro-town to me.
However, it is important to note that my read-through consists solely of D4 so anything from before then would be lost on me.Sup, later.-
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Finally, an analysis on Uraj45.
I just put up all of his posts in isolation. I couldn't be arsed to read them in context anymore.
Uraj 4- I like his analysis on Ibby and MBL - not necessarily because of content but because how he says it. Yeah, weak.
Uraj 5 - I liked this post because I agreed that armlx said something that really wasn't up to speed.
Uraj 6 - I liked it because I was suspicious of spectrum at that time in the read through.
I liked how Uraj kept on pushing spectrum throughout up to post 13.
I must admit that leaving the vote on MBL because of inertia was a really wrong idea though. That's the first thing that I saw that was wrong with Uraj.
Wait, asking for an unretractable deadline? what was that for. I retract my trust of Uraj now. How is that ever a pro-town move?
Nonetheless, I think I have to agree that the mathcam block on N1 is the best evidence to go on. I'd have to read through some stuff to make sure it's a good move, but I don't see much reason for me to not vote mathcam in the near future.Sup, later.-
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Well, I feel compelled to do this.vote: mathcam
And if armlx made a mistake and gave the office-switcher to someone anti-town, it's better to stop it. However, I don't know if MMoD's alignment either, so that oculd screw things up too.
But I find the roleblocking theory to the best thing out there right now, so I'll follow.Sup, later.-
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I could be up for voting Uraj45. I'm not trusting that spectrumvoid is pro-town, I still don't know if mmod is pro-town, but choosing to move Yosarian into any office wasn't an anti-town move. However, I'm a bit unsettled that he has chosen to move offices every night even though it's not necessary.Sup, later.-
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SV forgetting to vote mathcam yesterday and finally placing a vote once momentum on mathcam restarted...yeah that was scummy to me. Plus, with the whole roleblocking thing, I don't know. I'm not sure that SV is being extremely passionate about her choices and her convinctions. In a way, that's not necessarily an anti-town tell, but the way it all falls together isn't so great. And Uraj45 - right now it's position on the mathcam wagon - and gut.
Okay, sounds good enough mmod. If you hadn't tried to switch Yosarian last night, I might've thought you not so pro-town.
I remember for some reason Uraj sticking out on my initial read. I think I originally thought him fairly pro-town, but with MBL dying last night and MBL being one that challenged me on my thoughts on Uraj - I'm getting a nagging sense that avote: Uraj45feels appropriate at the moment.Sup, later.-
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I read through D1-D3 because I actually hadn't before. I'd only skimmed it. Now that I've read things, I've got a better handle on this game. And man was it frustrating to read at times.
What I got from the read:
Thok/Ibby did a lot of interesting poking. She poked at a lot of people who I didn't feel were suspicious (or at least on retrospect, like MBL, etc). Nonetheless, she was very quick on the bluemonick wagon and Ibby was very passionate about going against some people. Ibby had a very healthy pro-town-appearing curiosity. And Thok seems to be doing the same. Overall, then, I don't know what to think on Thok. But right now, I'll trust him.
Col Kurtz/Uraj - well I didn't realize that Col Kurtz was attacked quite a bit, and justifiably so. However, I'm just not so sure that a wagon on him could've really happend that badly during D2. I don't trust Col Kurtz's words, but I'm just not entirely sure that he's scum anymore. I was taking in too much of D4 Uraj into my previous opinion. But seeing Col Kurtz as well. I'm just not entirely sure.
Harry Potter/Quag - just too little to go on. But I don't like Harry Potter and I'm not sure what to think of this. Possibly scum right now. But I still have to re-read D4 again.
MoS - I especially don't like how MoS kinda defended Harry Potter. Also MoS seemed a bit distant and didn't always comment. Nothing particularly damning, but seeing this in my read now makes me raise the eyebrow.
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So why'd you roleblock him then? My read on you was that you were kinda trusting mathcam.601 wrote:unvote
I like mathcam's post 592. I'll go have another look at the three.
I wasn't so suspicious of SV before, but I'm not really getting any pro-towniness from her now or before.
As for the rest, things weren't eye-popping, so I'm not mentioning it.Sup, later.-
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Oh, and I think MMOD should give the office of Jack Kay to the most trustworthy townsperson. If scum kills MMOD (or if he's scum), then there's no way to recoup the office-switcher role, and it might be good to keep some confirmed good offices in the hands of people. It could be nice to ensure there's some blocking/protecting/killing mechanism in endgame if it helps our odds.Sup, later.-
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I very much like my vote on Quagmire/Harry Potter, I think that's something to look back at tomorrow.
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I think that right now, we have to lynch someone. There's no way around it. We squandered the day away and now we have to deal.
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Simply, I'm voting for the top vote-getter and it's not the best way of doing things. I may move if someone I find scummier gets votes as well
To respond to SV:
I think you just came up with that question yourself independently right now. But I would hope it's in response to:SV wrote:If I'm not supposed to block the person who I think is most scummy, wouldn't that be something like random blocking then?
Because when I re-read the thread, I got the sense that you complimented mathcam and thus was finding him pro-town. So then it begs the question for tomorrow about why you bothered to block mathcam. I want to see where your thoughts changed. But right now, it pretty much seems like SV is blocking reasonably and I don't see enough to convict SV now.pablito wrote:So why'd you roleblock him [mathcam] then? My read on you was that you were kinda trusting mathcam.Sup, later.-
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unvote, vote: uraj45
I just thought that Kay = switcher was just so obvious to SV that there had to be something up. I mean SVdid blockmathcam when he was switcher right? Or wait, SV blocked mathcam when he was Quinn...
Either way, I did not see the benefit of that gambit if SV is pro-town.
But the fact that SV pretended to forget everything about mathcam, who she pretty much helped initiate a lynch on, was very interesting to me. Thus the vote.
I feel more comfortable with the Uraj vote though because of yesterday's voting patterns.
But nonetheless, SV, I still don't get what was going on.Sup, later.-
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SV, I can see what you did...but during last day, I was urging MMOD to put Jack Kay back into action because I didn't like the idea of only having one office-switcher out there. Scum would've had to have been inattentive to not remember there's two office-switchers. Plus, claiming roles in this game is NEVER indicative of alignment - so it was a semi-foolish gambit.spectrumvoid wrote:I'm lying. I'm the new office switcher. I did this in a mini, where I outed scum who tried to claim the role.
Pablito: How did you know?
Based on post 1541, vote: uraj45
That being said, I'm feeling better about SV. Not entirely sure she's pro-town, but I feel absolutely positive that Uraj is scum now.
Between the votes yesterday including the thrown-away vote for me (which was a foolish pro-town move, therefore confirming it was a scummy move) plus the way you defend yourself today and yesterday, Uraj must be scum.
If Uraj was pro-town and still wanted to invoke LAL - there are flaws with invoking LAL.
1) SV never explicitly lied. She withheld information. I said that she was lying or she waslying. I was right that SV was onlylyingwhich was my way of saying she knew she was the office switcher but didn't want to reveal and was trying to do something. But I called her on it because I got impatient and wanted to push her to see what the hell was going on. When SV admitted to lying it was directly in response to what I was saying. And that waslyingnot lying. You took her statement at face value instead of realizing that SV was just literally responding to me.
2) If you were genuinely angry and wanted to "lynch all liars", you would've been angry, maybe cursed some, made a fit and run away with some angry words. I would never expect someone who really wanted to lynch all liars to actually link to the wiki about it. You're too rational about sticking to LAL and further more it's overkill to link to the wiki. You wanted to prove your point. And only scum would do such a thing.
3) This has nothing to do with lying, but it's further proof that yo'ure scum...but you're explaining away your inattentiveness with the front post. It's a valid reason, but scum tend to place an external locus of control and town tend to place an internal locus of control. Scum tend to blame on others "the front post is confusing to me" whereas town are more likely to admit fault "I misread the front post". One of my most reliable tells. Also just for overkill, I'm going to point to how Kay is not exclusively the office of a dead person. I inhabited it and my name is listed first. Kay should be fairly visible on the player list. Also, if you're not looking at the offices and wondering about them, you're not thinking in a pro-town mindset or at least not trying hard enough.
Let's get this over with. We've caught scum.Sup, later.-
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You knew I was half-trying to set you up right?
I'm really not sure what you're doing. Either you're flailing scum or really not paying attention to the game. I would've expected more of a "well this game really is going slowly" response to your inattentiveness. And really, "I wasn't paying attention" would've sufficed as your entire response. Instead you tried to dissect each one of my points.Uraj45 wrote: It doesen't matter though. My vote won't be changing for the rest of the day. LAL is absolute.Sup, later.-
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Well we can either go with some SV and Uraj argument and lynch one of 'em (or me)...
we can try to stir up some things about Quagmire or StD and their lack of significant participation in this game despite having scummy predecessors...
we can do a mass claim...
we can do a mass 'old office' claim...
or we can also do some sort of question phase where people ask what someone in their old office did.
For reference here's some changes:
Coron now occupies what Uraj45 had (IMPORTANT CHANGE)
Thok now occupies what Coron had.
StD now occupies what Thok had (I believe this was already claimed by Ibby)
Uraj45 now occupies what Pooky had (might be interesting)
Pooky now occupies what Quagmire had (I'd be interested in what's in there)
Quagmire now has BMQ's office. I don't think there was ever a claim, so I have no idea.
That's five of six so far that have offices that can be confirmable. I like that.
MMOD now has what CES had, and we know CES was pro-town.
SV now has what mathcam/armlx had, and we know what it is and SV confirmed it.
I have bluemonick's old office and that was never claimed.
MoS has what Bogre had and I don't think that was ever claimed (I'll have to look).
Now, knowing that there's practically six-seven confirmable roles out there, we could do some damage with that. Or at least we can make some interesting hypotheses. Now, I'm not advocating a mass claim. But if there's anything that someone found in their office which suddenly strongly incriminates its previous owner, you might want to think about saying something soon.
We were given a good opportunity, I think, with the corporate restruction at ACME. If we can take advantage of it, the town can prosper and kill more scums.
So, there's no way that there's nothing for you to talk about today. So get talking, get discussion up and let's try to get working and get this game done and over with.Sup, later.-
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Uraj's comments on me were regarding the following topics
I questioned why an unretractable deadline was necessary. Craplogic for trusting MBL's opinion of Uraj. Bandwagonning. My argument on him.
Yes you have been comment on me. But partly because I have attacked you...especially at a time when very few were onto you. You attacked me...when I attack you. I just gotta say that if you're gonna pull the "talking about pablito ever since he came in" card, I'm gonna have to pull the "talking about Uraj long before he got into the spotlight" card and that means nothing. But it just means that I'm cancelling out your card because my monster card has mystical BS roleblocking abilities against your weakling monster card. And then I'm going to play my mystical knight hammer card which will deplete your life force to only 100 life points, aya, victory!
Okay. So if you're pro-town, Uraj, I don't know, but don't attack me. I'm pro-town. armlx was pro-town (there's some evidence of this as well), so find someone good to unearth suspicions on. But I don't think you're pro-town, so feel free to try.Sup, later.-
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When did we ever deduce that there were multiple scum groups? I was still under the impression it was just one mega-scum group. Maybe I'm just really lost, but I don't remember this.Uraj45 wrote: A thought that just occured to me, though, is that I think we can deduce that mmod, at the very least, wasn't on viper'sscum teamor he would have snatched up that cop office ASAP.Sup, later.-
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Explain this further...
With 12 people alive, you suddenly thought that you lost the game?
Now if you're pro-town, you would have thought that there was 6 other pro-towners plus yourself vs one scum group of 5, right? That would've been a feasible way to think that "we just lost the game".
Thing is, you just said something about losing without mentioning any numbers, and rationale, just nothing at all.
It's the most curious reaction I've seen, especially considering there was a deadline at the time.Sup, later.-
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I felt Quag was scum, but I'm not no-lynching, so I joined the best bandwagon, but I've had lingering doubts about StD and he was voting SV who I still believe to be relatlively pro-town, so I moved to StD as a compromise vote (I promised to move my vote if someone scummier got a vote as well), I saw there was no momentum, so I went back to the biggest wagon, because I'm not no-lynching.
I think my reasons while I was voting were very clear, so yeah. Is there much more you want to know or are you just asking me these questions as part of a show so you can make yourself look more pro-town?Sup, later.-
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