Kingmaker II-Game Over

[olio]

So, no more reasons for votes, eh?

vote: pablito

If Glork went off his LoE I could respect him more - even though his last post actually convinced me that he took his reign well and was actually trying to find scum. I am starting to buy his Pooky-Twomz wagon hypothesis somewhat valuable. But you know what, the fact that I'm saying this will probably fodder more discussion about how pablito's still trying to buddy up to Glork, so I need to shut up now.

Blatant attempt to save Pooky with "do this and I believe you, Glork". Contains also "Pooky-Twomz is scummy though" argument plus WIFOM in the last sentence.

If we don't work hard enough during day, we cannot expect the king to make the best decision possible. I'm sure that doesn't address any of your points, CTD, but I feel it needs to be known that it's all of our fault that Rosso was executed, it's just that certain people, like PJ (and likely me) are more accountable for it.

I carry the blame for D1 so I am trying to correct it by making sure thta we talk about people on and off the LoE.

From accuser to martyr.

vote: LuckayLuck

Defends Pooky in post 1007.
For post 1020, with defending Pooky with weak arguments. Also finds Twomz "not so scummy" when pushed by Yos2 and "easy pick" when voted by Mert.

vote: Nightson

Seeing things in 808.

[olio]

How surprising, you actually don't think my reasons for voting you are worth answering. So, are you going to hide behind "he's just a replacement and possibly can't understand this game or my playstyle" or actually defend yourself?

[olio]

How surprising, I misunderstood "I could be arsed" as "I could give a rat's ass". My bad. That aside, earlier people were craving for reasons behind votes, and yet when the morning dawned on D3, almost everyone suddenly started slacking. I think we can do without dozens of lines, all repeating the same question: "Why did you vote X?". That said, could you please explain your votes and answer my other argument?

In 788, I actually make a long long post and yet you quote just a small bit.

That small bit caught my eye after all the "we's and ours" in 563. All that text around that small bit actually gave me a feeling of masking, masking a planted message appealing to reader's emotions.

When you said I was an accuser, it might have been in tone, but even in that post, I completely included myself as part of the town.

I fail to see a sensible scenario where you would've acted otherwise; I mean you not including yourself as part of the town.

[olio]

My primary reason for the vote on PJ lies on how his re-read turned out with such paltry suspects.

And reasons for voting me and LuckayLuck?

And I honestly don't understand what you're saying in

I fail to see a sensible scenario where you would've acted otherwise; I mean you not including yourself as part of the town.

I'd appreciate it if you or anyone else that gets it could re-word that.

You should've said the same either as town or scum. Bringing up the point "I'm completely including myself as part of town town" sounds like another planted message.

[olio]

So then I'll defend myself by looking at how many times I bothered to say that Pooky was the best option of the LoE.

Looking at your quotes you did it once, so I guess you agree with following as I really didn't see any other defense in your post.

(In post 1062, pablito does following scummy stuff:) Blatant attempt to save Pooky with "do this and I believe you, Glork". Contains also "Pooky-Twomz is scummy though" argument plus WIFOM in the last sentence.

I guess it wasn't as clear as I thought. But in regards to Yosarian vs. Pooky it always seemed to me that I was unsure of Yosarian, but he had pro-town aspects and with Pooky it was just that I didn't think there was more than gut to go off of with him. Even after Pooky's post I wasn't completely convinced.

It always seemed to you that you were giving out such a picture about yourself, you mean?

I honestly want you to try and explain how changing your mind is an inherently scummy action.

I honestly want you to try and explain how changing your mind without any explanations helps town in any way.

[olio]

Oh yes, for

MY

viewing pleasure, can you please somehow announce in the text when you're going to use meta-gaming "evidence" so I can skip that shit more easily. kthxb

Come on MoS, top that in arrogance on your answer!

[olio]

My top three suspects are still same with the same reasons:
pablito, LuckayLuck and Nightson.

spectrumvoid and MoS are contenders.

Spectrumvoid for her recent "I go after few specific people" and then listing 9 out of 20 players. That's more than few, I think. She also says in her post 64 that she won't be voting any lurkers because "she can't remember who is genuinely lurking, and who will be replaced". After 4 posts and 5 days "any lurker would do" in her top 3.

MoS for her passive, anti-townish play. If he's town, he should care what happens to him.

[olio]

I'm not really "in" the game just yet since I missed the first day and am not getting the flow quite yet though after today I should be caught up along with my day2 experience.

You might also want to check your vote on StallingChamp as I've been replacing him for a while now.

[olio]

MoS, answer up.

I honestly want you to try and explain how changing your mind without any explanations helps town in any way.

vote: MoS

[olio]

That was a good start, MoS. Keep it coming.

[olio]

That was a good start, MoS. Keep it coming.

Buddying doesn't get more blatant than that.

Trying to desperately find something which isn't there can't possibly get more blatant than that, but somehow I'm sure you can surprise me with your analysis.

[olio]

She, RafK, she.

[olio]

Townies just need to know one thing: Who should be lynched.

Even if you mean Kingmaker -setup only, that still doesn't sound right to me. Townies should also know why somebody was lynched, and preferably who was against and who was for that lynch. Today's townie might be tomorrow's king and that info will come then helpful for them.

Also, how do you suggest townies will get their top3 suspect lists if they don't have connection info between people? By gut?

[olio]

Fair enough. I'm satisfied at the moment.

unvote: MoS

[olio]

Olio: Just curious, but is the sole reason for your unvote MoS's player analysis? (Don't answer if you're not olio.)

Yes. I first voted him for not answering my question about how his passivity helps town and his lists bring him up from un-passivity in my book.

Dead Rikimaru, what do you mean with "the same" reasons?

[olio]

Because if I look all of your posts and summarize your reasons that are scattered through them I will end up using my own words, I'd rather have your own summary in one post (or let everyone have the work of finding your reasonings by themselves ) than put my words in your mouth.

That's wierd. How could you miss my first post if you viewed all my posts?

LuckayLuck, are you going to start think on your own during this game?

So you're saying that you're unvoting him because he listened to you and changed?

Where did you get such an idea? I wanted MoS to answer a question. I put vote on him to

underline

that urge. He didn't answer directly to my question, but showed activity which in my eyes was like answering to that question. I removed my vote.

It's called pressure vote, even though it doesn't mean much in this set-up.

[olio]

But at the same time, I wonder how much of the voting is going on because no one understands LL's MO and are attacking his playstyle rather than his level of scumminess.

MO as Modus Operandi? In my opinion proxying equals to "not thinking with your own brains" as well as "not wanting to put in an effort" and I view those things anti-town ways of play.

[olio]

RafK, which of the Yosarian's posts you think he now tries to present as a joke? The one where he quotes CES?

CES, why are you vouching for Yosarian2? Why should that vouching be trusted?

[olio]

CES, so because you view yourself as a non-newbie, someone you view a newbie should trust your judgement on Yosarian2? Talk about closed-mindness.

Yosarian, I don't view that "Or Phoebus" of yours a joke, so please stop talking on behalf of me with your "everyone else understands it". Added to that your slip with "NEVER", I'm happy to

vote: Yosarian2

CES and Yosarian2, you're trying to downplay RafK's arguments with newbie card. That's scummy.

[olio]

Where do you see LuckayLuck claiming he is a Mason with Glork?

[olio]

I am relatively inactive in this game, in comparison to other games, BECAUSE it is such a huge game.

So you're slacking because you don't want to make an effort for this game?

Yosarian2, I was merely pointing out your exaggerations with "everyone else understands it". Nice to know you had good intentions with that line - unfortunately I couldn't read your mind and see those intentions when I was reading it.

Also, RafK did never misrepresent your mistake with "NEVER" - you slipped there yourself. Stop exaggerating.

[olio]

Yosarian2, I was merely pointing out your exaggerations with "everyone else understands it". Nice to know you had good intentions with that line - unfortunately I couldn't read your mind and see those intentions when I was reading it.

My point was just that RafK was not understanding what I was saying, and other people were.

My point is that "everyone else" is exaggeration, "other people" isn't.

Also, RafK did never misrepresent your mistake with "NEVER" - you slipped there yourself. Stop exaggerating.

Did I say that he did? And what are you suggesting that editing mistake I made is supposed to mean, exactally?

Yes you did.

now it looks like Ollo is going to use your misrepresentations of my posts as an excuse to vote for me.

Your line you called joke everyone else but RafK understood was one reason, the

other

reason was that you slipped and forgot that NEVER. You made it sound that RafK's posts, and those posts only gave me "an excuse" to vote you.

In my opinion your editing mistake was a slip you subconsiously typed. I look at that line and at that slip, and it made me wonder enough to vote you.

[olio]

Well, RafK misrepresented my posts, and you did use that misrepresentation ("Yos said it was just a joke!" which I, in fact, did not say) as an excuse to vote for me. I never said that was your only excuse for voting for me; in fact you also had a second, crappy, excuse for voting for me.

I'm bit confused: are you saying that line wasn't just a joke? Also, when you said

now it looks like Ollo is going to use your misrepresentations of my posts as an excuse to vote for me

nowhere in that post you didn't mention that second, crappy excuse.

And again, if you are really being serious in trying to argue here that was supposed to be a fruedian slip on my part, what is it my subconsious was supposed to have said by deleating the never while I was editing the post? That the origional post WAS supposed to be a serious attack on Phoebus? Please.

Correct.

[olio]

I'm waiting for LoE.

[olio]

It certainly wasn't. Please grow some manners.

I replaced in on D3, so those actions are my predecessors'.

[olio]

I meant that as an answer to pablito's question if that list seemed true. They seem to be true to me alright, but I don't know what StallingChamp was thinking when he did what he did.

I didn't mean you should start me over, sorry if it came out like that.

also, totally neccessary, just believe me

No offense, but at the moment I find no reason to believe you.

[olio]

olio would also make a good kill target

Why?

Also, although I couldn't see the case on Mert, I can very easily see the case on RafK as his attack on Yos2 was complete rubbish and his subsequent switch to Svoid felt like a scum trying to find a target that would stick. This applies to a lesser extent to Olio too.

Elaborate, elaborate! Whee!

[olio]

olio would also make a good kill target

Why?

Also, although I couldn't see the case on Mert, I can very easily see the case on RafK as his attack on Yos2 was complete rubbish and his subsequent switch to Svoid felt like a scum trying to find a target that would stick. This applies to a lesser extent to Olio too.

Elaborate, elaborate! Whee!

fos: olio

Boo! Boo! Elaborate, elaborate!

[olio]

This week will be very busy at work. Might be that I can't check the thread until Sunday (if there's anything to check).

[olio]

Back.

[olio]

Happy with my "votes" at the moment.

[olio]

Have 3 games on this site so far: 2 Townie, 1 Scum (Godfather)

Unrelated info. I think LL is playing gambit with his "lynch me". Lynch him.

[olio]

mod

, I have to ask for a replacement.

Serious stuff going in real-life and I need some time to clear my thoughts. Thanks for the game everyone.