Royal Family Mafia - Game Over!

[Jack]

Vote:Mariyta

for being different.

[Jack]

Oh I see Jack.

unvote, vote Jack

Thats for not lynching Eon in that Newbie game that I read to get a metagaming view on Eon!

Well I can't argue with that one


Oh, and Mariyta, Fett was totally gay for Vader and you know it

[Jack]

So those guys are masons? I knew there was something weird going on.

[Jack]

I'm here but I have to reread before voting.

1. Make possibly controversial, but often correct (imo) predictions that may or may not go against the crowd.
2. Strongly believe in these predictions. Call me crazy, but believing strongly in these predictions and then looking at what your target does in response is an extreme tell.

Doesn't this make you a little close minded towards other predictions? Why not keep an open mind?

[Jack]

Unvote, Vote:Twito

It's a better wagon than LL

[Jack]

Unvote, Vote:Twito

It's a better wagon than LL

The reason for voting me?
And why you feel like you have to be on one of the wagons?

I just want to feel involved

Also, it's my opinion that thinking to much with too little to go on biases you. I'll wait for the playing field to clear out a bit before even bothering to read all this.

So we may as well lynch someone soon and I'd rather you than LL.

[Jack]

unvote:Twito
Vote:LL

We may as well lynch someone who's been posting a lot, that way we find out if certain people are full of it.

[Jack]

Jack: WTF?

What?

[Jack]

We may as well lynch someone who's been posting a lot, that way we find out if certain people are full of it.

I read

this

three times, and I don't get it.

If I were a vig, Jack probably wouldn't wake up tommorrow...

I don't think theres much convincing evidence towards anyone. So it makes sense to lynch the person who we would learn the most from having their status confirmed.

[Jack]

1. LL keeps going on and on about knowing who's townie and who's not. Obviously, as we all know, the odds of lynching scum on the first day are low. So if LL is

sooo

positive that he(she)'s right, then why not give it a chance? If Jack turns out to be a townie, then we can finally have a reason to knock off LL.

2. I mentioned in my post above that I was also following the logic of...YOU, STD! You said that if you were the vig, you'd take out Jack tonight. You had a good reason, because Jack was trying to get people to take out someone who posts a lot just because they post a lot. That seems pretty scummy to me, and apparently it did to you too.

1. Uh...lynched by my own logic I guess. That's a terribly backwards way of doing things. You want to find out if someone is scum by lynching someone they accused? Just lynch them and you'll know. And it's not like we can't both be townie.

2. STD didn't give a reason. He just said he didn't understand me. And I still say my position makes sense.


@Ether: Why am I eager to lynch? Maybe because we've been in

day

one for A MONTH? As I said before I don't think there's enough information to make a decision, if you try too hard to find scum this turn you're just going to bias yourself. Or at least I will, I tend to do that. So we lynch someone whose identity will tell us a lot. Simple.

[Jack]

And Jack, I dispute the assertion that we will learn very much at all from a LLLynch. I, and most people here it seems, have him penciled as a loud but uninformed townie.
P.S. You wuss. I've seen Day Ones that went a month

without

the board crashing.

Maybe I should have read more of the posts then. Meh.

unvote

The other forum I play on has 24 hour days so I guess I'm spoiled.

No, No, and NO! Day 1 play started on Friday November the 17th, not taking into account the odd crash here and there.

details, details.

[Jack]

Patience is a sin.

err, or something like that.

[Jack]

Town know they are being accused wrongly. They HAVE no reason to be defensive.
Scum get paranoid, and think that someone knows the jig is up. They have a reason to be defensive.

Personally I'm more wary of being defensive when I'm scum then when I'm town.

[Jack]

Vote:Nightson

[Jack]

*has a headache*

*just read the whole game with said headache*

*has a worse headache now*

*proxies opinion to Lackay Luck*

*

votes: Jack

*

[Jack]

I don't see what he could possibly be hinting at. He's just annoyed by the lurkers.

[Jack]

Mods don't give hints around here.

Unvote, vote: Canucklehead

Unvote, vote: Cogito Ergo Sum

How is that a valid reason for voting C-head?

[Jack]

I wouldn't call it a valid reason personally, although one could accuse him of trying to cloud the real issues.

So you're voting with an invalid reason?

[Jack]

(Hints are a foreign concept to me--the instance of them here sums up all my familiarity with them.) Canuckle, how common are these hints where you come from?

They're fairly common where I play as well.

I will probably unvote Jack once he explains that Twito/Luckay discrepency; it's sort of annoying that he still hasn't.

I thought someone else answered for me. I thought Twito was more likely to be scum than LL so I voted him (LL had a lot of votes at the time). I then thought it had been going on for ages and we should just lynch LL and see what we could learn from his alignment. Someone pointed out we wouldn't learn much and I unvoted.

Things are more interesting now that I'm being voted anyway

[Jack]

lol, as good as you felt about me?

[Jack]

Voting for people who aren't townie is pretty obviously the right thing to do. But just choosing someone else randomly doesn't work, you need to look for the mafia otherwise your odds won't be very good.

[Jack]

I'm certainly not in favor of name calling, but I don't see how it implies mafia in any way.

[Jack]

Unvote, Vote:Twito

for role fishing.

[Jack]

You consider the question of "who would you lynch, right now, if the decision were yours and yours alone?" a time waster?

Well...we could just, you know,

VOTE

for people.

[Jack]

If everyone provided a list of their top two/three scum, that might narrow it down to a few suspects that most people have on their list, rather than the broad group we'll get if everyone just puts out one name.

Ever since ShadowLurker brought this up in open 5, I've found it a good point.

Why do you want everyone to post who they think is most suspicious? So you can get a better read on them, or so you can go with popular opinion and get the easiest lynch? It's even worse to ask for just the top two or three, as it increases your spectrum to accuse people on and go on with popular opinion.

FoS:Hacker Huck

This is ridiculous. People's popular opinion is evident from the votes and posts so far, and from pookies list which you don't seem to have any objections to. You've been mixing it up like this all game, it's possible you're looking for scum but it seems to me you're scum trying to muddle things up.

unvote, Vote:IH

[Jack]

Not only that, Hackerhuck and Jack both refused to answer the questions,

but supported everyone listing who their top 2 suspects were.

No I didn't actually. I still don't see the point. Generally people vote for who they suspect.

Also, as scum I don't pay attention to 'who the town suspects' so I don't find pooky or HackerHuck's suggestions scummy.

[Jack]

To offset that though.

I want out of this game if ridiculous time-wasters like Pooky's scheme are going to control it.

I'll answer 7) with Canuckle.

It's a ridiculous time waster, but he did deem it necessary to answer some of it, or perhaps he thought this was the only thing worth answering.

What's your point?

[Jack]

Bogus, I don't find your claim genuine at all.

Unvote, Vote:Canucklehead17

[Jack]

1) I don't buy the timing for a real cop claim. ~2 weeks till deadline and all it would take is a couple unvotes and a wagon on someone else and he wouldn't have had to reveal.

2) My initial thought was that "court courier" doesn't imply cop at all, but I suppose "court jester" doesn't imply mafia spy that strongly. "court courier" still sounds like something scum would make up though, and I do think it likely the cop role would be named something more appropriate. I don't see why the courier would be rummaging through peoples things.

3) I'm distrustful of people who say any variation of "if you lynch me you'll see I'm innocent".

4) I don't like his unvote of Maz, it sounds like he trying to butter him up. How did Maz go from "prime suspect" to being unvoted in one post?

5) his "it's all up to you now" just sounds scummy to me.

My only objection to voting him was that IH was voting for him but IH has removed that nicely. Why did you vote for me IH? That looks very much like a hasty attempt to get off the C-head wagon.

[Jack]

4) I don't like his unvote of Maz, it sounds like he trying to butter him up. How did Maz go from "prime suspect" to being unvoted in one post?

I repeat. It was most definitely an OMGUS vote.

I really don't want to vote Jack now anymore
Bogre is the play!

Why do you think Bogre is the play for today, because he's lurking here... like in every other game I've been in with him? Why don't you want to vote for Jack today? We have a deadline coming up less than a week for new years....

What's so bad with a Jack lynch?

Why don't you answer my question?

[Jack]

How about I answer it to your understanding then Jack.

That vote was an omgus vote from MAZ'S VOTE.
MAZ'S VOTE is gone, so the OMGUS is gone, for theres nothing to OMGUS about.

Do you get what I'm saying?

That was addressed at c-head, I asked you "why did you vote me? it looks like you just really want to get off the c-head wagon".


@ether: I'd be just as happy with an IH lynch, maybe even happier if other people can convince me that his role is plausible.

[Jack]

...........Jack what the frick are you talking about?

Numbah 1, I answered that question, because it was clear and you seemed to be missing it.

Numbah 2..... I most defintely did NOT claim, as that was Canuckle Head.

My vote is happy.

why did you vote me?

[Jack]

Trying to keep the bandwagon on a claimed cop that doesn't have a counterclaim, or.... well any reason for us not to believe him,

I gave you my reasons.

[Jack]

I don't like letting claims go uncontested, and I do have issues with his claim as already laid out. I also don't find the lack of counterclaim convincing, I'm not sure I would counterclaim if I was the real cop in this scenario.

I'm just as happy to lynch IH though. I'll have to look into some things before changing my vote back.

[Jack]

The play here is to give him a temporary pass. If he continuously gives up innocents or dead people, we'll eventually lynch him. The real cop should definitely stay hidden (if canuck is lying) because Canuck is so scummy. Lynching Canuck as mafia right now wouldn't help us any more than lynching him Day 3/4 would, because the mafia operates as a group, and their numbers are irrelevant until the late-game.

Basically, immediacy in his death is not necessary.

That's a good point.

Unvote, Vote:IH

[Jack]

Blah, I've been putting this game on a backburner.

Is there a point to the Bogre wagon other than "LL says so"?

Is there a point to the IH wagon?

Is there a point to the twito wagon?

[Jack]

Needs more Jack dying for trying to lynch a claimed cop.

Hooey. I've seen plenty of false cop claims. I thought his role description sounded fabricated so I voted him. I see the reason behind letting him live and I've looked into more role descriptions from other games which have made his more believable, but he is in no way proved innocent, there's a lot of people I think are less likely to be scum.

If I said anything about Jack and this, it would only be because he had supported HackerHuck's idea.

For whoever it was that asked what the point behind the IH wagon was, this is it. I can't believe this kind of misrepresentation is unintentional. I never supported his idea in the slightest, I said I didn't see the point in pooky's thing because we could just vote for people and that Hacker's idea wasn't significantly different from pooky's and that neither were scummy because peoples suspicions are already out there.

If you wish, I will go through the thread, and try to present more of a case on him, other than "lynching a claimed and uncontested cop",

Please do.

[Jack]

Jack, there's no reason to lynch a claimed cop Day One, EVER. As I said, immediacy is not neccessary, and with him claiming Day One, he'll be revealed as a liar in time.

I don't see why you wouldn't lynch him if you're almost positive he's scum.

[Jack]

Like Maz said, we'll know one way or another soon enough. Why lynch a claimed power role, if we can lynch him later and discover he's lying?

Reverse that. Discover he's lying, THEN lynch him.

My point is this:

Canuckle is telling the truth:
1) Scum are dissuading from killing him, hoping for a mislynch.
2) He's a fucking cop.

Canuckle is lying:
1) He can either:
a) claim repeated innocents/dead results, after enough of which we lynch him;
or b) out a partner to increase his own chances for survival.
2) The real cop has time to work undercover.

How are any of these bad?

I've never heard this strategy before. It makes good sense mind you. I've always gone for l"ynch whoever is scummiest". Most of the games I've played in have 24 hour deadlines, and if there's a chance a claimed cop is mafia then it's mathematically advantageous to lynch him and risk missing out on his investigations. That's where I was coming from with my vote for C-head, your strategy is apparently the standard here and I do agree with it now...that's why I'm not voting for him anymore.

[Jack]

Post 87, Jack is confused about LL and his mason offer to someone "So those guys are masons?" not a scummy point, but worth notice.

Why is that worth notice?

*lynching LL just to learn*

We went over this I think. The game was dead boring with a bunch of long meaningless posts. I didn't think we were learning anything and thought we could learn something from lynching him. The round had been going on for a long time. The game became more interesting once people started to vote for me.

Post 428 was either a very bad joke, or something more sinister.

Something more sinister? Are you serious? What exactly could be sinister about that. Pray tell.

Post 464, Jack would rather go ahead and vote people.

It's the same as pooky's list.

Post 468, I was either Misinterpreted or Misrepresented. Either was possible.

This is where you were making a big deal about how scummy HackerHuck was for his suggestion and I said you were scum trying to muddy the waters.

Post 483 is in fact correct. I thought you had agreed with HH. Forgive me. Another note, how are we to know that anyways?

Forgiven but not forgotten

Post 494, confusion from him.

I wasn't confused, you often make posts that have no point, see what I said earlier about muddying the waters.

Post 534, Trying to get the claimed cop lynched

Post 542.

See above post.

Post 553, either misunderstanding or.... something

Or what? Say it.

Post 566, Counterclaim point is valid. Something going uncontested? That doesn't mean you have to keep pushing for his lynch.

Neither should you drop it entirely.

Post 577, alright, why are you voting me. = D Should I feel the omgus?

Explained a long time ago.

Post 605, We're not positive he's scum! Thats the point! We'll know for sure if we wait! Stop being stupid!

I was quite sure at the time. See above post.

confirm vote:jack

I don't suppose you'd mind summing up why you think I'm scum in a sentence or two? You don't actually say anywhere in your post.

Ether is the only one to provide ample reasoning of the wagon on me. = P I'd like an explanation from Jack and Zindaras, OTHER than "I agree with Ether LAWL"

Already given but I don't mind summing up. As scum you have to avoid being found out. You can and seem completely innocent but this is hard. You can lurk but this can bring negative attention. You can also try and confuse the town by going after a lot of people and keeping attention away from yourself. You consistently, and I believe deliberately, misread peoples posts to mean something suspicious. You say things like "this was a joke...or something more sinister" without any more explication. All the while you appear to be looking for scum like a good townie.

[Jack]

I still don't get the Twito wagon. He's been lazily and jokingly going going along with LL but it's not particularly different then he acts in the other games I'm in him with.

[Jack]

When I say that, I don't mean "I said the first one just to play around, and the second one is what I mean LAWL" I mean "Either this is a bad joke, or it's something scummy"

Twito had just said something about "Don't vote me for rolefishing"

You voted him.

I couldn't tell if it's a joke, or if it's something scummy.

How could that possibly be scummy?

Finally, why do I think you're scum?

I've already explained about the C-head position, but you've also tried to just get a general lynch, and until the c-head issue appeared, you weren't going after anyone who was the scummiest, but who would "Give us the most information on death" or our prolific posters.

This is blatantly false. I've been saying I thought you were scummy for ages, and not because you post a lot. Get your facts straight

@Mariyta: I don't think he's serious. How could he be? You're still just saying it's scummy and not why it's scummy.

[Jack]

In light of the dead line I'm going to

unvote, vote:Twito

I thought you confirm voted me

[Jack]

Buddy, you're public enemy Number 1 in Day 2.

Especially if Twito is scum. I've noticed you keep harping on how you just don't get the Twito wagon.

If your detective how am I public enemy #1 tomorrow?

[Jack]

Why don't scum make this post? He's trying to get a claimed cop with a decent cop lynched. = / He didn't jump on the wagon until Canuckle claimed.

Look IH. Imagine if someone you found somewhat suspicious made, under pressure, a cop claim that you found really scummy sounding and probably fake. Wouldn't you vote for them? Surely you must realize that not everyone who votes for someone you think is innocent is scum.

[Jack]

Or town that gave up. Would be really lazy play for scum.

[Jack]

Any news for us Canucklehead?

Sadly, nothing that will give the town a huge help.

During the end parts of day 1, my main suspects were: Twito, Maz Medias, and Jack.

Now going into the night, I

almost

decided to investigate Jack. However, in my role, it says to be careful that I am not caught during the night, and both nights, it has said that I managed to elude being caught for that night. My thinking is that the mafia, if they feel the cop is after a member of theirs, have the option to be on the lookout for the cop, and if the cop DOES investigate, the cop is killed. That's just my interpretation.

Towards the end of day 1, I said something I wish I hadn't said. I told Jack that he was "public enemy number 1" for day 2. If I hadn't said that, I wouldn't have been so scared to investigate Jack. Since I felt that I could be in danger investigating Jack, I went with my next suspect, Maz Medias.

Maz came back innocent.

Therefore, my main suspect is now Jack.

Vote: Jack

Well isn't that

Convenient

with a capital C. Let's see:

1) You're scum
2) You know when I'm lynched I'll turn up townie
3) Therefore you can't have a guilty on me or you'll be lynched
4) So you invent an "caught during the night" gimmick to explain why you didn't investigate me and try and lynch me anyway.

My first instinct was right,

Vote:Canucklehead

[Jack]

FEEL THE OMGUS

I never voted you

[Jack]

No kidding.

In a game this size, has there ever been an instance where the first two days BOTH resulted in mafia being lynched?

Cause it's about to happen.

You're going to vote for yourself?

[Jack]

FEEL THE OMGUS

I never voted you

I think he was referring to you voting for me...obviously.

And I agree with him 100%.

You probably also think my defense of Twito proves my guilt, huh?

[Jack]

Canuckle's story truly is great and "too intricate to be a lie", I believe him.

Just because it's ridiculous doesn't mean it's genuine.

[Jack]

Jack, simple as this. If you [don't] come up scum, a canuckle lynch is sure to follow.

Me figures

I do think you are letting him get away with it pretty easily though. You is going to feel right foolish

[Jack]

Right. I'll stop being silly.

unvote

How about you leave both of us alive and make C-head give you results until you get a better idea of whether he's guilty or not. This is what you said you were going to do yesterday by the way.

[Jack]

NO! 1-2 mislynches, remember? Can we please lynch IH today? Not Jack? I strongly believe that Jack, like Canuckle, is pro-town but being dangerously...well, silly. But that's not the point.

Didn't C-head investigate Jack and get guilty?

= / I'm confused.

haha, I call bs on this.

Vote:IH

How about you leave both of us alive and make C-head give you results until you get a better idea of whether he's guilty or not. This is what you said you were going to do yesterday by the way.

Ok, first C-head was reeeeaaallly scummy.

....Way to try to wriggle out of a lynch.[/quote]

I know he's scum but you can't right now without lynching me. This is what we call a compromise.

[Jack]

That's...comforting.

But wait, how did I survive last night? Either the doctor protected, or the mafia didn't go after me....

Gosh I can't think of any other explanation.

[Jack]

@"jack is omgus'ing": why do you find it surprising that the same people I thought were scum yesterday I think are scum today? I think his tacked on explanation of why he didn't investigate me is preposterous and scummy.

[Jack]

My best interpretation of this is that I am killed if I investigate a mafia member while that

mafia member has used his option of trying to catch the cop.

In such a scenario, the cop investigating the mafia member would be "caught" and instantly killed, leaving me no way to relay on my findings.

Maybe the reason you find it so false is because you really

are scum and you know of no such option?

Does not compute.

[Jack]

Jack, he's trying to say is, the only way he could be caught is if he's caught by the mafia. That means that theres got to be some kind of mafia role that tries to "Catch the cop". The only way you could know as such is if you are in said mafia, and theres no such thing in any of your roles.

I'm not sure if I agree with that, but that's what I believe he's trying to say.

If I was mafia and knew there was no such option then he's lying...and therefore scum...this doesn't compute.

If I was mafia and knew there was such an option then I would know such an option. This does not not compute.


Or the option he's leaving out: I'm townie and go off hunches like every other townie, and that claim and how he adds what would be a very convenient limitation the day after making his cop claim makes me think he made it up. What is it that brings the downfall of a mafia fake claiming a cop? If they ever get a "guilty" on someone they will be lynched the following day. This "catch the cop" thing gives him an excuse for never getting a guilty.

[Jack]

Canuckle, Jack, please step away from each other's throats. We have a common enemy here!

<-- Is voting IH

[Jack]

Jack uses too much WIFOM among other things -

Vote Jack

Where is this?

[quote="Mastermind of Sin]Vote: Jack

He was high on my suspicion list yesterday, and his actions today have further convinced me of his scumminess.[/quote]

Why yesterday and which actions today?

[Jack]

Arafax wrote:
Jack uses too much WIFOM among other things - Vote Jack


Where is this?

I'm reffering to post #721

I was pointing out that

no matter which way you took it

it did not make sense.

[Jack]

This is very OMGUSsy, Jackyboy. And I don't see why you're so aggressive against claimed cops.

I agree with this analysis.

LL's analysis of you yesterday seemed quite accurate, and although he managed to eventually convince himself that you were a townie, I do not share that belief.

I already explained why it's not omgus. I didn't unvote him yesterday because I thought he wasn't scum.

What was LL's analysis of me yesterday? I don't remember much analysis from him.

[Jack]

So Arafax, what are the other things besides the non existent wifom?

[Jack]

So Arafax, what are the other things besides the non existent wifom?

Simply Jack, I found you scummy yesterday....Today someone else seemed more scummy at first, but I have changed my mind on that....Honestly, I won't pick out the specific posts, etc....It's in my notes and I find you play scummy.

STD - Care to explain your vote?

you do see the irony in asking STD to explain his vote while your given reason for voting me is "you seem scummy-nothing specific".

[Jack]

Jack - Why didn't you mention post #727 by MoS?....He is using the same logic as me?...Why call one scummy and not the other???...Happy with my vote on Jack.

I did question him if you look. He follow up post didn't give me much to go on besides a rather scummy "nvm different game". He did mention a specific reason though.


Maybe you should have noted the #'s of the posts that you found scummy. Right now you aren't providing anything useful.

[Jack]

I'm thinking Arafax is scum based on a bandwagon vote which he can't give a reason for. Not sure about you yet.

[Jack]

I'm thinking Arafax is scum based on a bandwagon vote which he can't give a reason for. Not sure about you yet.

I went back and looked...I found you very scummy when C-Head claimed cop and you kept your vote on him....You mentioned many times that you wanted to lynch him....There's my reason.

Happy with my vote on Jack!

I don't get STD's posts.

So first it was wifom which you've given up on, next it was that I was treating MoS differently which you've retracted, now it's my vote for c-head which you somehow managed to forget until reread despite the fact that quite a big deal was made out of it? I don't buy that one bit, you're just grasping at reasons for your bandwagon vote.

[Jack]

I'm cool with arafax before IH

Unvote, Vote:Arafax

[Jack]

Wait a second...I claim "Peasant" which everyone who actually is vanilla knows is the role title...I did not claim "vanilla" or anything dumb like that....Of course all 10 of you can't be scum, but I admit that I'm suprised.

Is your point that you knew the vanilla townie role title was "Peasant"? It's in the OP, this signifies nothing, why would you try to use it as an argument?

Peasant

You are a lowly peasant of Jellugi. Your abilities include blood-curdling screaming upon death, and softly whimpering yourself to sleep at night. Luckily, however, you do have a say when voting for who shall be lynched each day. You win when all Anti-Town roles are dead, and at least one townsperson is left alive.

Confirm by PM.

[/i]

[Jack]

hmm

Vote:IH

Could someone explaine C-heads lack of result and Maz's comment to me?

[Jack]

FoS: VitaminR

You keep trying to find different ways out of voting for IH. You haven't provided a reason yet, but you do keep trying to weasel out. Methinks IH + VitaminR = Possible Scumbuddies.

I don't know, he was voting for Arafax day 1 and had him on his list of top two suspicions, so it's not particularly damning that he voted him yesterday instead of IH. His reason for CES would be useful though.

[Jack]

= | I'm feeling worse and worse about Canuckle. His has a failed investigation, and investigated someone all but safe because he was afraid of being killed.... unless he can hide, then I don't know...

We're still not sure what would actually happen with Canuckle if he tried to investigate scum. He hasn't lied... yet.

Please keep an eye on him if I get speedlynched today, as that's probably going to happen again like it did with Arafax YESTERDAY.

You tried to wagon me yesterday for doubting C-head.

You were on the Arafax wagon.

[Jack]

IH, why is STD on your top suspicion list?

[Jack]

From his uber defense of Twito day 1.

Also, you weren't "doubting" him you were "trying to lynch" him.

Also yes I was. That was a mistake = |

This game has made me read other games closer though.

But Twito was the traitor, and mafia usually don't know who the traitor is. I think we can assume they don't since they killed the spy night 1.


I just doubted him more than you.

[Jack]

...because there's one kill a night? Because the description says "royal family are the mafia"? Traitor being unknown is pretty standard. I think you are pretending ignorance /uncertainty about the setup to appear innocent.

[Jack]

Pooky-innocent

[Jack]

This silence proves IH is mafia.

[Jack]

Interesting that the Arafax wagon had no trouble picking up speed while the IH wagon is faltering. Arafax turned up innocent...

[Jack]

Wasn't supposed to mean much of anything. There's just nothing going on in this game.

[Jack]

What is scummy about MoS specifically? He's just lurked as far as I can tell.

[Jack]

If finding VitamenR scummy. I don't get why he jumped off the IH wagon to go for CES and then jumped back on and has now jumped off to vote Nightson. He seems to be inventing reasons to get off the IH wagon.

[Jack]

This game needs a kick in the pants.

[Jack]

If finding VitamenR scummy. I don't get why he jumped off the IH wagon to go for CES and then jumped back on and has now jumped off to vote Nightson. He seems to be inventing reasons to get off the IH wagon.

I explained that at the time. I only got back on because the day was stalling.

I've said numerous times I don't like the IH wagon.

Why would you ever get on a wagon you don't like?

[Jack]

Let's just double lynch VitaminR and IH today.

[Jack]

lol wats da hos fo

[Jack]

Did you even read my post?

yes

[Jack]

got prodded

...ok

[Jack]

LL, didn't twito follow you most of day one specifically to prevent the kind of analysis you're doing?

[Jack]

I could see that Jack wouldn't recognize them because he was too young, but they recognize him to be more likely, though I'm not sure.

What does this mean?

[Jack]

Vote:C-head

Enough of this nonsense. Seriously dude what gives. You investigated maz after claiming so this "scared off bit" can't be a mafia roleblocker. What aren't you telling us?

[Jack]

hmm I guess maz did say he disrupted c-head that last time. So he isn't making it up. C-head just expresses himself weird. I don't see why maz would do whatever to LL though.

unvote, Vote:VitaminR

I still think you're scummy.

[Jack]

Is the martyr a role that's been used before?

[Jack]

Vote: Jack

Reading through all of his posts, I see no redeeming features. He was so ridiculously against IH, townie kthx.

No redeeming features, but what do you see as suspicious?

Unvote,Vote:c-head

Blatant bandwagon dude.

[Jack]

I won't claim.

T'is a pointless strategy you've chosen.

[Jack]

I'd be happy with a Jack lynch at this point. He's been the second option for a while (when we know the first options-IH and Arafax) have been town. And it seems his only scum hunting technique right now is "Vote scummy looking people on my bandwagon and deny I've done anything"; Best-wosrt case scenario he's a completely useless protown player.

What's your scum hunting technique been, hypocrite?

I still think VitaminR is scum, but this post doesn't look good either. "he's been the 2nd option for a while" "if he's townie he's useless" are classic scum lines.

Unvote,Vote:Thok

[Jack]

You voted IH.

And there hasn't been a large portion of the town finding me scummy. This is the most votes I've ever had.

I haven't OMGUS attacked anyone except c-head and he hasn't been lynched.

[Jack]

Players who make threats are more often scum in my experience.

[Jack]

Ether C-head Pooky

You have an answer to my post or are you going to admit your argument was bs?

[Jack]

What is your point? Everyone who is lynched had the majority of the vote. I was not the only person contributing to either wagon. You haven't given a reason for singling me out (I suspect it's because I'm at -2).

People have been holding back on voting me since the early wagon day 2.

I've given reasons for all my votes.

So, you've given me the two obvious choices (claimed cop plus investigation target), one of whom you've voted repeatedly, and the other person you gave is the one of the few people today who has said "don't lynch Jack!". Again, this gives an example of how you're not really analyzing people and just calling people scum if they vote for you.

Jesus christ. You ask me for three pro town players and I give you a list of the three players I feel are most likely to be pro town. What did you want?

Show me where you've analyzed people.

"Jack – 6 – VitaminR, HackerHuck, Save The Dragons, Cogito Ergo Sum, PBug, Canucklehead17 "

I have said c-head is probably town. I have said I think VitaminR is scum. I haven't called HH, STD, CES or PBug scum. Yet they are voting for me. Your argument is factually incorrect once again.

I didn't omgus vote arafax, IH, or vitamenR. When voting someone for a scummy vote it doesn't matter if that vote happened to be on yourself.

You seem to be following the classic scum strategy of accusing the people who were on townie wagons. In every game townies vote to lynch townies. Townies can get lynched without any of the mafia voting for them.

[Jack]

If you want three "non confirmed" I would say Ether, HH, and STD.

[Jack]

Again, this gives an example of how you're not really analyzing people and just calling people scum if they vote for you.

On IH:

If I said anything about Jack and this, it would only be because he had supported HackerHuck's idea.

For whoever it was that asked what the point behind the IH wagon was, this is it. I can't believe this kind of misrepresentation is unintentional. I never supported his idea in the slightest, I said I didn't see the point in pooky's thing because we could just vote for people and that Hacker's idea wasn't significantly different from pooky's and that neither were scummy because peoples suspicions are already out there.

Ether is the only one to provide ample reasoning of the wagon on me. = P I'd like an explanation from Jack and Zindaras, OTHER than "I agree with Ether LAWL"

Already given but I don't mind summing up. As scum you have to avoid being found out. You can and seem completely innocent but this is hard. You can lurk but this can bring negative attention. You can also try and confuse the town by going after a lot of people and keeping attention away from yourself. You consistently, and I believe deliberately, misread peoples posts to mean something suspicious. You say things like "this was a joke...or something more sinister" without any more explication. All the while you appear to be looking for scum like a good townie.

Didn't C-head investigate Jack and get guilty?

= / I'm confused.

haha, I call bs on this. Vote:IH

On Arafax:

Jack uses too much WIFOM among other things - Vote Jack

Simply Jack, I found you scummy yesterday....Today someone else seemed more scummy at first, but I have changed my mind on that....Honestly, I won't pick out the specific posts, etc....It's in my notes and I find you play scummy.

STD - Care to explain your vote?

you do see the irony in asking STD to explain his vote while your given reason for voting me is "you seem scummy-nothing specific"

I'm thinking Arafax is scum based on a bandwagon vote which he can't give a reason for.

So first it was wifom which you've given up on, next it was that I was treating MoS differently which you've retracted, now it's my vote for c-head which you somehow managed to forget until reread despite the fact that quite a big deal was made out of it? I don't buy that one bit, you're just grasping at reasons for your bandwagon vote.

Is your point that you knew the vanilla townie role title was "Peasant"? It's in the OP, this signifies nothing, why would you try to use it as an argument?

hey Thok, maybe you should bother

READING

/rant

But perhaps my definition of analysis is wrong. Dictionaries often lie I've been told. Let's see what reasoning you've had for your votes.

as far as I can tell, Twito's decided not to put in any effort and is now leeching onto LuckayLuck.

unvote Hackerhuck, vote Twito

Twito? He's um, dead. We lynched him day 1.

vote IH

Not a fan of MOS attack on LL. He hasn't been saying much.
...
I'll go with an unvote, vote MOS

Oh, the analysis!


So let's see:

I'd be happy with a Jack lynch at this point. He's been the second option for a while (when we know the first options-IH and Arafax) have been town.

Terrible and scummy reason. The first options were town so the 2nd must be scum! Or rather, he's more likely to be an easy lynch.

And it seems his only scum hunting technique right now is "Vote scummy looking people on my bandwagon and deny I've done anything";

Shown to be completely false, this shows that Thok didn't even bother rereading, which means he isn't actually thinking too hard about it, scumtell.

Best-wosrt case scenario he's a completely useless protown player.

scummy scummy scummy reason.

[Jack]

I'm not attacking you for commenting. I'm attacking your for blatant lies and misrepresentations in your comments.

I voted c-head because because he was the most recent to vote me...I also like voting c-head.

You don't find it suspicious that VitaminR was voting for someone he didn't want to vote for, just because it was a wagon? That he was looking for a wagon to be on? What game are you playing?

I refuse to answer any more of your questions until you admit to all the falsehoods and hypocrisy in your last few posts as I have laid out.

[Jack]

I like my vote.

because? Not to sound like a broken record or anything...

[Jack]

[quote="Cogito Ergo Sum"]
I assume you also want us to bow down and recognize your mental superiority? [quote]

Do you think I'm being condescending? (btw condescending means to talk down to).

[Jack]

1) Do you approve of the direction this game is heading in?

2) If not, how would you change it?

1. Don't think it's heading in a particular direction.

2. People need to post more.

[Jack]

questionable != scummy

[Jack]

Ether, do you want to give your reasons for defending Jack? Otherwise, I don't think we're getting much else out of him.

Yeah don't respond to my last post or any of the preceding posts or anything

[Jack]

but that isn't what you said now is it? Regardless of whether you think my votes were good or not:

Again, this gives an example of how you're not really analyzing people and just calling people scum if they vote for you.

It should be obvious that calling people scum

because

they are voting you and calling people scum

who are also

voting you is not the same thing. I do tend to notice people who are voting me more than other people, and I've also been a popular target so quite a few people have voted me. Would you be happy if I only accused people who

hadn't

voted me?

And there is analysis there, especially compared to your posts, a fact which you conveniently gloss over.

So, you've voted IH because he made two obvious mistakes. Both of which involved attacks on you. Great job!

Twito? He's um, dead. We lynched him day 1.

vote IH

hmmmm

You voted Arafax because he couldn't explain his vote on you. (Even though he did actually try to give an explanation about your C-Head vote and your use of WIFOM to deny that you've done anything.)

Yeah, because jumping on a wagon without giving a reason, and when pressed

not having

a reason isn't at all suspicious. I would have voted him for that no matter whose wagon he was on.

Because we're definately in the best-worst case scenario, right? There's absolutely no chance you could actually be scum, right?

That's a line of reasoning scum use all the time. Anyway, how am I more useless than say TheEyeOfMorder?

You've been allowed to live for several days? Why could that be? Oh wait, maybe because scum have chosen to not go after you and try to get you lynched. Now why would they do that? Could it possibly be because you are scum?

We let IH live day 2. Maybe that was because he was scum and so scum decided not to go after him? Oh wait that doesn't work.


You can't build a case out of straw Thok.

[Jack]

He's acted a lot like scum who's claimed cop you have to admit. I voted him at the start of today because I was thinking he was making up the stuff about being interfered with but then I remembered Maz had confirmed it.

[Jack]

I don't know why you guys think scum would try and lynch a claimed cop anyway. I'm not saying it's impossible but it doesn't seem like a winning strategy to me.

[Jack]

I'd be cool with a Jacklynch now. Well, not now; I think there's a bit more for the rest of us to discuss. Earlier, I regarded Jack's Canucklevote as a poor man's counterclaim. His three-towngoers response to Thok kicks that away.

QFT.
I cannot imagine why, believing Canuckle to be one of the most townish people in the game, you would then go ahead and vote for him.

I don't know why you guys think scum would try and lynch a claimed cop anyway. I'm not saying it's impossible but it doesn't seem like a winning strategy to me.

First of all, WIFOM to a sickening degree. Second, a claimant with no guilties and no new results since his claim is a much easier lynch than a cop confirmed by outing scum. Third, WIFOM. Fourth, what do they have to lose by throwing out the possibility? FIfth, trying to lynch him, if successful, negates doc protection, steers the lynch away from their ow and reduces the number of pro-town players by one. Finally, have I mentioned WIFOM?

You are looking seriously scummy now, Jack. I'd be voting you if you weren't so close to a lynch.

If it's wifom then it's not evidence of my guilt. Thanks.

[Jack]

I can prove my innocence.

[Jack]

I'd rather not.

[Jack]

You people don't listen anyway. I did try and get IH and Arafax lynched; they did turn up innocent. I don't see why that would convince people I'm guilty but what am I supposed to say?

[Jack]

It should be obvious by now that I don't fear death :p

That's enough of a claim I think.