Adventure Time (Game over!)

[Calcifer]

/cinform!

[Calcifer]

You people are making me feel so young.

Better than the opposite feeling.

Having a 100+ game career will leave you feeling rather aged.

(By the way, I love your Quote avatar.)

[Calcifer]

Vote: Tajo

. Looks like we're waiting on him!







...Oh, and Zoidberg, too.

[Calcifer]

Vote: Fate

It's his Fate.

I'm inclined to disagree.


It sounds a lot more like it's his Destiny.

[Calcifer]

Calcifer are you mafia, mister.

Nope.
And neither are you!

Let's be friends. We've got so much in common!

[Calcifer]

VOTE: Human Destroyer.

[Calcifer]

hi guys!

VOTE: calcifer

until at least one of them starts signing their posts

this is not an rvs vote btw I am being serious I want to know who I am talking to

sorry i never sign my posts in a hydra
it's against my moral code

ok so besides the meta speculation wtf is going on.
is there any concrete evidence to say Fate is scum for not posting or we just shitting on each others chests?

i really wish i could double vote at this point
scum gauging whether he could get in trouble for hopping on this wagon

I would have been mocking the Fate wagon if I got in here. I jumped to an ENTIRELY different conclusion than you ponies did from the exact same information, and as Zdenek points out, Vifam completely ignores a possibility that scum would know if its true or not.

Well I was never on the Fate wagon and I have different reasons for believing he might be scum

A scum read on him for confirming by PM is silly

and this is just stupid

[Calcifer]

Hey Mastin, is Pirate Mollie scum or town for this?

Nullish-town. Opposite of you on Vifam, which is nullish-scum.

RBD, switch to HD.

Timeater's so town that I'm practically calling him conftown.
Vifam is not far behind. Though his attack on Fate is probably wrong, I see where he's coming from, and his thought process reads as incredibly genuine.

Now Human Destroyer, on the other hand...it'd be shorter to list the things he's done which AREN'T scummy. He's scumread #1. Guaranteed, of the names on the bv wagon, his is the most suspicious. Two of them I covered above, and Kawaii also looks genuine in scumhunting.

Also, YYR is town.

[Calcifer]

calcifer I get your point, but considering Fate's wagon continues to grow my question isnt that irrelevant or even a dipping of the toe in the water to check if it's ok, I dont do that, dont care whether or not its ok to go on a wagon or not, I go on who I think is scum.

Vote: Seanald

[Calcifer]

PeregrineV:

How do you feel zabriel this game compared to Harry Potter?
How does Seanald compare this game, to 90s Cartoon?
What do you think of Kawaii?
Vifam?

How much experience do you have playing with Zdenek?

zabriel:

How do you feel PeregrineV compares this game, to Harry Potter?

[Calcifer]

FUCK DUDE....LET THE THREAD BREATH 2 GOOD MINS BEFORE POSTING, PLS PPL... OEDUT FUCK OFF UT

<3

Even the mod wants in on ninjatheblackie

kise i think that we should hydra one day

[Calcifer]

Vote: JacobSavage

Don't have much time right now, but I'm feeling better about Seanald as town. I glanced through some of his other games, and I feel better about some of his posts that seemed fake as hell before. Rainbowdash, Kawaii, Zdenek, bv, Zoidberg plus both masons are also townreads, so that leaves about 8 people to sift through. Of them, JacobSavage is probably the worst. He's someone who I usually get a strong townread on initially because he's working to figure things out pretty genuinely, but here he's using the <congo line to exit> joking around bit to cover up for awkwardness, and I don't really like it that much.

Timeater is a close second, although Mastin probably disagrees with me. I agree with Zoidberg that his fakeclaim is bullshit; would love to see it tested. Should be dealt with as soon as possible, but probably not now. I also don't like him pressuring Vifam for a fullclaim, then bitching when he actually fullclaimed.

[Calcifer]

and seanald is BLINDED BY THE LIGHT

[Calcifer]

Yeah
Laziness got the best of me

Please don't let this be the precedent for the rest of the game. You likely won't be around long, and if you give this game your best I will love you forever

[Calcifer]

someone investigate nacho tonight thx

who are your other two scumbuddies?
zabriel+which inactive?

[Calcifer]

I said it in our QT, but the Vifam/Mollie push was horribad and scummy as fuck. We have guaranteed scum on that 6-man wagon.

IMO look here for scum. My money's on Timeater; I find his claim suspicious for *reasons*.

Odd, I find his claim extremely town for *reasons*. Do tell why your reasons make the opposite conclusion.

[Calcifer]

All this 4 heads business

Is it something from the show

I don't actually watch it so

^Rolefishing.

[Calcifer]

Besides names don't align to roles

Unvote,
VOTE: Human Destroyer.

CAUGHT SCUM.

'Cause guess what?

THE MOD SPECIFICALLY TOLD US THAT OUR ROLE MATCHED OUR NAME!

[Calcifer]

THE MOD SPECIFICALLY SAID THAT OUR ROLE WAS RIGHT FOR THE FLAVOR.
YOURS NOT MATCHING MAKES YOU CONFSCUM.

[Calcifer]

It was in a private message. I confirmed our role. He shot us back a PM saying that it matched the flavor.

[Calcifer]

If they do, why did you only tell one player such information?

This is as close to a scumclaim as you can get, ESPECIALLY since he was voting us.

/cinform!

You confirmed via post not by PM

I confirmed via PM first. I then saw that he said to confirm in-thread, and did so.

[Calcifer]

(Also, this is incredible reaching on HD's part.)

[Calcifer]

HD is generally a sloppy player (no offense) but I think he is towntelling here. I read his confusion over Kawaii trolling as genuine. I can see how not being familiar with Kise or Kat would lead to that sort of interaction. Blech. Sorry HD but I'm gonna muslce you a bit until this thing is settled. Hopefully then we can get back to bv/yyr.

this is very terrible

Also this might be an attempted momentum shift by Calc, specifically away from bv or on to HD-an easy target imo, however we'll see how this plays out.

And still you give us your vote.

P-Edit: That just solidified my point; you speaking knowing that I'm town, but having your vote on me because "lolpressure"

hahahahaha
nice try

I really hate games where people play off of their role pm. that is not mafia.

am keeping my vote on fate until they get in this game. I don't they have forgotten about the game I think they are avoiding it for whatever reason.

i don't ignore information when it falls into my lap
this information fell into my lap

HD-Timeater-zabriel-JacobSavage
the interaction between Human Destroyer and Timeater was terrible; Timeater voting HD created a legitimately frustrated response that didn't happen when we voted him on a scumslip; this doesn't make sense unless HD saw his experienced scumpartner bussing him and he wanted to get some distancing done before he goes down. I'd bet good money both of them flip scum.

[Calcifer]

Calcifier is scum with bv and possibly Fate

Discuss!

ooh are we scum for defending bv?
and we are scum for trying to get your scumfuck self lynched?

a) Saying roles aren't attached to names is a scumslip?

when we have information that says otherwise... yes.

b) Being mad about not having the same information as another player in the game that should be universal knowledge is scummy? I mean seriously, I know I made some bad posts, but that's the one you point out? Really?

it seems like more like you are scum that is frustrated that we got information you didn't know we had
if we were pushing you as scum based on something that wasn't true, it seems like you would not be upset that we got special information
but instead
would be pushing us as lying scum

Attention has been elsewhere.

UNVOTE:

Thinking. Baked. Blah. I don't have anything real and good yet. Later.

you're digging a deeper hole for yourself

[Calcifer]

in response to 346

mastin you're gonna have to convince nacho to stop being an idiot otherwise i'm gonna have to tunnel you and the game will become a complete mess because i will not relent or let up in the slightest

hahaha
appealing to the other side of the hydra in order to get me off you?
nice try kid

[Calcifer]

The combination of the two is key, not one or the other. Scum team seems to be in the mood for chainsaw defenses today.

that's why I used the word "and". I just wanted to make sure that you were declaring me scum for calling bv town and you scum.

Except the fact that mine isn't attached to my role means it isn't fucking true.

So stop going around all high and mighty screaming from the hilltops "Oh my name matches my role, anyone's that doesn't must be scum!" Guess what, UT confirmed that your role is based off of flavor. But guess what: mine isn't. Surprise! You lose!

This is the important part. This is not consistent with your earlier position. Earlier, when Mastin called you out, your first response was not to vote us. Your first response was to ask the mod if roles were based off flavor, and then ask him why he would give one person that information and not make it universal. The problem is if your vote was NOT based off flavor, you would already know the answer to the first question, and so your first response should have been to call us out as lying scum.

[Calcifer]

When I asked the question, I was thinking that I might have missed a connection from my role name to my actual role. When I did a quick check, there was no connection.

The fact that mod gave a really vague answer now let's me say with confidence that such ISN'T the case, since he seemed very intent on NOT confirming it.

If you were thinking that you might have missed a connection from your role name to your actual role, then why were you calling us liars at the same time? The mod giving a vague answer doesn't suggest anything, which is why he gave a vague answer.

I voted you before I asked mod questions by the way, you got that mixed up

it happened at the same time, which doesn't actually make any sense
while you were calling us liars, you were also wondering if you made a mistake and roles were connected with flavor?

[Calcifer]

watch me demolish the HD wagon

HD, ur vanilla townie correct?

you know, i think that i'm going to step back from the game for a minute and let mastin see this
he hasn't quite been convinced that you were scum
and this is pretty much all i needed

[Calcifer]

Nacho, I know ur in tunnelmode. Thats fine. I'm not gonna try to stop you. But consider the fact while major personalities are clashing and clogging up the thread, you can guarantee there are scumlurkers hiding in the shadows just waiting things out. Oh, and also - if you seriously think I'm mafia (lol), please state why you are pushing on what I can probably say without much hesitation is probably the strongest town PR.

I know I'm in tunnelmode, which is why I'm taking a step back and waiting for mastin before it's too late. If you're the strongest town PR, you have nothing to fear. If the only way scum can get you out of this game is by killing you, then fuck all of the gambitty early claim bullshit, and play a strong conventional town game. Sell me on bv because it's not looking like he's scum in this game. Look at the two lurkfucks that are likely scum that I've pointed out; Zabiano doesn't have many completed scum games, but his town game is very distinct. Doesn't really look like his town game right now. JS is a typical mislynch, but usually pretty easy to read. This also doesn't look like his town game. HD isn't a straight shooter, but I wouldn't push something on a basis like this unless the evidence looked fairly damning to me. The evidence looks damning in this case.

Sell me, tim.

[Calcifer]

UNVOTE: hd

VOTE: fate

I'l read this though, who the fuck are you?

outted mason
don't worry about that, just help me strongarm this HD lynch through

[Calcifer]

IS THIS VV

VV

YOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

oh god no
this is nacho
and i wouldn't ask you to strongarm a lynch unless it was a really sexy lynch
and god this lynch is sexy

[Calcifer]

why you think im so paranoid about ppl pushing on me

the way you are going about it isn't geared to catch scum
it's geared to stop people from attacking you

[Calcifer]

YYR & RBD

My opinion on YYR is ambivalent leaning town, although I gotta say that I don't think that there's shit in his ISO warranting a case. He looks exactly as he did in Political Corruption Mafia; blunt, terse, and scumhunts mainly by potshots. I'd imagine that he differs at least a little bit more as scum (as in, he's probably waay more opportunistic as scum), but with the push on him and JS/zab/HD/tim scumming it up like mad recently, I feel fine on him.

RBD is a stronger townread. You're right when you say that she's not really not trying to make a splash, but Rainbowdash isn't the type that necessarily needs to make a splash early game unless she catches onto something that particularly catches her fancy. As scum, she likes to start strong and build up town cred as early as possible so she can coast later; she doesn't like dealing with initial paranoia and later paranoia. I also approve of #380, which is Rainbow wandering away from bussing a strong buddy/defending a strong buddy/mislynching a strong townie to handling him in the optimal way, which is more her town style. I'm sure Mastin has some more to say about this, though.

You didn't read hard enough if you think my lynch is anywhere near decent

Also I like how bv is ignoring absolutely everything said about him and just calling me a VI or scum

Pretty pro-town right there

What exactly is he supposed to defend against?

I don't like this wagon, and I think town is on it for the most part so yeah, this is dumb

if you want to slam dunk a scum lurker with me, we can quicklynch zab
wouldn't mind even a little bit

Can we lynch PV for 181? Its basically hedging his bets on about five different slots and thats almost all he has done this game. Also im working at least six days a week right now so posting may be a bit down for the next couple weeks.

i maybe could lynch pv too
but would feel more confident in zab at this point

[Calcifer]

but yeah i'm not feeling HD like I once was.
DEFINITELY not feeling seanald though.

NACHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

hold on, need to reanalyze

[Calcifer]

All you people pushing the "zabscum" line need to stop. The dude has posted 3 times, no valid conclusions can be drawn from his play. He's barely said anything. Feels weird to single him out when there are others like him e.g Jacobsavage.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/search.php?a ... 7&sr=posts
i know zab
i don't need anymore posts from him at this point

[Calcifer]

Gonna go with HD. Didn't really care for the bv push. Torn on his reaction to Tim's pressure vote. The biggest thing bugging me here is the timing of it. It was OMGUS, and then 45 minutes of games and math later he's ready to retract it. I don't really buy it.

VOTE: HD

SCUM BUSSING

Gonna go with HD. Didn't really care for the bv push. Torn on his reaction to Tim's pressure vote. The biggest thing bugging me here is the timing of it. It was OMGUS, and then 45 minutes of games and math later he's ready to retract it. I don't really buy it.

VOTE: HD

You know, that -SOUNDS- reasonable.

However I need you to post more Zabiano Domingo Rodriguez. Your content levels are way too low.

SCUM COACHING

kawaii is also probably scum so will hammer that whenever

[Calcifer]

kawaii-zab-tim-HD
gorgeous, gorgeous scumteam
jacob has had some weird interactions with possible scumbuddies that make me doubt intial read
but he's the second string scum suspicion

now where is mastin

[Calcifer]

lol nacho.

also i just wanted to say if this is the only way you can respond to suspicions as scum, you might want to refine dat scumgame

[Calcifer]

I think Tim and HD are town though

why?

[Calcifer]

hi nacho let's get cozy!

i should study but i always have time for you <3

[Calcifer]

kawaii-zab-tim-HD

what do you think of this group?

[Calcifer]

I don't think Time would claim that he has four passive abilities as scum

i can see him outing as PGO as scum, easily
the additional passive abilities would probably be made to play up for the power of the claim in order to excuse his crazy hyperdefensive play afterwards, which will pretty effectively prevent a lot of the less confident players from making a strong push on him, meaning that he has to keep the fights between confident players/him loud and confusing and not allow any confident players to get enough towncred to lynch him, which isn't the hardest thing to do.

I think HD is just stubborn townie for the most part, his reactions don't really seem like scum caught in the spotlight,

why not? playing up the bv read like he actually believes in it or some shit combined with the horrible response to me calling him out on his reaction to mastin calling him a liar for the roles/names thing seems pretty much caught scum 101 to me

[Calcifer]

his reactions don't really seem like scum caught in the spotlight, plus the people waggoning him don't look to hot (Kawaii, Zab)

and i see the scummy people wagonning him, but I find the zabiano domingo rodriguez immediate jump on the wagon after kawaii moved off as some sketchy shit.

[Calcifer]

This looks like scum trying to restart the wagon after it died so it would compete with the Kawaii wagon (IIRC the only one who didn't unvote was Calcifier but I'm ignoring them until they start thinking rationally again).

what points have i brought up against you that you've irrefutably destroyed that would mean that I've been irrational?
how have I been irrational when you agree with 2/4 scumreads of mine, and earlier agreed with my Tim scumread?

[Calcifer]

his reactions don't really seem like scum caught in the spotlight, plus the people waggoning him don't look to hot (Kawaii, Zab)

and i see the scummy people wagonning him, but I find the zabiano domingo rodriguez immediate jump on the wagon after kawaii moved off as some sketchy shit.

I think it's sketchier that he jumped on immediately after zdenek considering he's only made one post per one or two days and they haven't been great posts at all.

what does this even mean?
you think zabiano domingo rodriguez is following scumbuddy zdenek as opposed to filling an empty void scumbuddy kawaii left? otherwise what the hell are you saying...?

[Calcifer]

I've been busy with other games and I think better when responding to direct inquiries.

@ZD - Forgot to add that back in. Basically, I dislike pressure votes on principle, so I could understand some omgus regardless of alignment.

you deserve so many bullets

[Calcifer]

kawaii-zab-tim-HD

what do you think of this group?

I liked kawaii but when I said I liked him he did a pass off so can go with that lynch. if hd is scum his emo meltdown is kumbaya scum play and deserves respect. I can never read zab it is like I play in a void with him where he falls off into mystery. I can't figure him out. tim....would not be surprised.

willing to to sheep you for now

give a minute for this kawaii-fate shit to sort out and for populartajo replacement to come in, and for peregrine to post more
still feeling a+++ great about zab/tim scumreads, but tim isn't a good lynch for now and i don't want to step things up into bus-or-die mode until tajo/peregrine have a little more time to post in a more relaxed atmosphere

[Calcifer]

plus i wanna talk to mastin about hd

[Calcifer]

same with savage and zoidberg.

out of those 3 you know theres a low lieing scum sitting around. who doesn't feel comfortable engaging in the game.

not necessarily

[Calcifer]

so your read on seanald is..........

town still

[Calcifer]

Unvote, Vote: Kawaii

yeah it does

[Calcifer]

wait wut ur saying zab is scummier than bv?

wuuuuuuuuuuuuuut

the position of two people on a scumlist shouldn't actually matter that much to you.
why does it?

[Calcifer]

I dont find zab scummy at all really except for not posting/lurking. As far as your premise of "the positioning of people on a scumlist" um I disagree, I find it odd HD would value zab more for scum considering how strongly he thought bv was scum and all that history they have together. I find it odd that he would abandon all that for omgusing zab, which is basically what he is doing.

seanald agreeing with this only makes it worse, tim

[Calcifer]

personally i would push on you today but i know such a push would gain no traction only serve to clog up the thread

you can explain why you think i'm scummy!
i've definitely explained why i found you scummy, so it's only polite if you return the favor.

[Calcifer]

yeah Katsuki's p. confirmed scum right now

Come on Pere you know you want to bus

<b>No.</b>

and by bus, he means please join the Kawaii wagon because most of the people on the wagon are town and we want him lynched without a large number of scum on the wagon, so we saved you a sweet seat.

[Calcifer]

Mollie, HD, Calc all town.

and also Vifam, since Vifam and mollie are mason buddies

And it may seem like Kawaii is the only wagon in town, but it's not when there are 2 weeks left.

talk to me about zab and tim
and jacob who i think possibly might be scum if that tajo slot isn't.

[Calcifer]

Fate would you push on Zabiano Domingo Rodriguezo or bv 2marrow

Thats the price of my Kawaii vote

VOTE: fate

and don't you even headpalm me vifam.

The wagon on Kawaii does seem sort of vapid, Mollie aint misguided

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 9#p4715769

mollie, 20 points of my love if you can tell me what's wrong with this series of posts.

[Calcifer]

Anyways im just a bit off because of some similarities to Fate and what I would think as scum where he is. Part of playing scum is trying to figure out who can read you, etc and making sure they dont in some way. The attack on Kats when it happened after ignoring other occurances (prior and when pointed out) just makes me think scum looking to get rid of somepony who can "read them" which whether true or not, that claim from Kats would add validity to any scumread on Fate.

This is true, but I don't think that Kawaii has brought up any good points regarding Fate, and Katsuki's response to Fate is sort of damning to me. Katsuki-scum would much rather manipulate Fate than lynch him, and town Katsuki's greatest love in this world is lynching scum Fate. Katsuki ignoring Fate's entrance and then Kise stating that they were "monitoring him" is a bunch of bullshit; not trying to draw any sort of reaction from Fate when he finally arrived and instead deflecting an attack when it came and ignoring it otherwise is Katsuki not engaging with Fate because he's sitting in a nice position and doesn't want to get into the shouting match. Katsuki voting Fate and not bringing up anything new on him and instead bitching on the people who sheeped onto his wagon is also shitty, and seems like a vote that he was stuck making as scum instead of a vote that he was actually pushing.

[Calcifer]

also i miss zoidy
is he ok?

[Calcifer]

yes that's exactly what i said thank you for not strawmanning in that situation i really appreciate it

[Calcifer]

Calcifer is scum with a shotgun

do you have any reasons yet?

[Calcifer]

Fate's tunnel is questionable
Vifam is just lazy
bv is scummy/opportunistic
HD is misguided
Calcifer is scum with a shotgun
Seanald is iffy

and in a more general sense, what would be a good 6 man wagon that didn't include you?
just out of curiosity.

[Calcifer]

But it seems true a lot of your argument stems from lack of input from Katsuki.

this is closer to the truth. if we wanted to be even more accurate, it is based on katsuki being disengaged. kise shitposting helps a bit.

[Calcifer]

You're being extremely arrogant to the point of absurdity (not the nacho I remember) and simultaneously pushing on like 4 people while parking your vote on Katsuki. Hows that for a start.

arrogant to the point of absurdity is the nacho you remember from my scum meta? if not, why do you jump to the conclusion of this absurd arrogance making me scum?
as for pushing 4 people simultaneously while parking my vote on katsuki... katsuki is one of the people i am pushing. the other three are scum suspects of mine that shouldn't be ignored, right?

Pedit: Um I dont know? I was just pointing out that the wagon isn't as amazing as some people are making it out to be.

no one is saying that this is the wagon to end all wagons.
and if you are saying the wagon is bad, you should be able to come up with some better people you would like to see on the wagon to make it "good".

[Calcifer]

right because its completely natural for town to start calling autoscum and calling scumteams relatively early in the game then sticking to those reads like white on rice for eternity

what's the difference in calling out four scum suspects versus calling out a four man scumteam?

also i dont want to play hypotheticals with you because you're slippery and sneaky as fuck

playing this hypothetical with me will show me that you're not talking out of your ass and discrediting everyone on the kawaii wagon without actually believing the words coming out of your mouth. you being afraid of me using your ideal 6 man wagon to somehow destroy the town is paranoid as fuck if you're town, and a shitty excuse to dodge the question if scum.

goddamit nacho you're going to make me have to meta your scumgame. also if I got a hint of mastin pushing on me i think you'd be pretty much confirmed scum

don't say it, do it.
then come back to me and stop treating me like scum without having the decency to put forward a proper case. i'd be having a fucking field day as scum right now with our interactions, so if you actually respect my scum game, act like it and show me some real suspicion.

and like i said i knew if this parry happened it'd clog up the thread people will just skim it or call us both town and thats not what i wanted ugh

there are people who will read this exchange. the people that will skim it and call us both town would call us both town anyways.

[Calcifer]

This is really reaching for a reason to call HD scum. HD votes Calcifer for being lying scum when they first attack him over his character not matching his role, and then votes Timeater for voting him while calling him town, and both of these reactions make sense in circumstances. What doesn't make sense is Calcifer calling HD confirmed scum because of his role not matching his name and being willing to lynch anyone else.

There's the possibility that HD didn't see the link between his name and role, and assumed it had nothing to do with alignment. With HD's response seeming town as fuck, I'm not going to continue on outguess the mod basis for pushing him as scum.

How are you seeing this in his play and how do you think this strategy would effect his voting habits?

#88 is OMGUS on Rainbow, #647 response to zab...
voting habits would be voting people who suspect him and then jumping off until they don't suspect him anymore
then he goes back to his normal opportunistic voting patterns

I have a hard time seeing hypothetical-scum-Zab as caring about this at all. I'm not even sure why you think this links them closely at all.

scum don't like voting together

[Calcifer]

nono

nonononononono

you cannot be saying what I think you are saying here

probably not.
i don't like how he's using his paranoia of my scum game as an excuse for not putting forward a case, for not engaging me directly, for not answering some of my questions, and for discrediting every single one of my scumreads. so i'm telling them that if he's THAT afraid of my scumgame, he shouldn't keep throwing the weak bullshit at me and either substantiate his claims or stop using the paranoid scum read on me as an excuse.

[Calcifer]

Unvote, Vote: zabriel

I've got what I wanted out of this day.

[Calcifer]

Unvote, Vote: zabriel

I've got what I wanted out of this day.

[Calcifer]

I need a 'case' to think you're scum? "PLZPLZPLZPLPZLPZ give me a case" begging for a case is a scum thing bro. What questions are unanswered? I will gladly answer any of your questions. Discreding all of your scumreads? UMMM YESS HEHEHEHEH I AM AN EVIL MASTERMIND OUT TO SUBTLY DISCREDIT UR SCUMREADS WHICH AS OF RIGHT NOW I CANT EVEN REMEMBER WHAT THEY ARE...(zabriel..kawaii..zoid??...jacob?) lol? I dont think I've ever played a game with you as scum, only town so my paranoia is completely legitimate. Also the only one throwing weak bullshit is you as more and more people start to realize you have your hand in too many pies to be the reasonable town-nacho we all know and love.

Vote: Calcifer

you are voting me because i have my hand in too many pies, and because i asked you for a case.
get the fuck out.

No. HD is a better vote for me. I also wanted opinions on RBD abd YYR since there were virtually none at the time - still aren't "Let's go after unviable scum" was how I put it.

they are both townreads for me, YYR less so.

^ Supporting the counterwagon I guess. Sigh.

voting a counterwagon
sigh~
what a life i lead, where people tie my hands and make me vote town
oh sighhhhhhh

[Calcifer]

I'm more interested in my NY game tbh right now. Once Day 1 ends this game will get cool.

also, fuck this
this is zabiano domingo rodriguez buying another day by saying that he's not interested in day 1s, while i've seen him reading this forum plenty.
if he can spend the time reading, he can spend time posting.

[Calcifer]

lmao desperation zabriel counterwagon incoming

people will go along with it too

hahahahahahahaha

[Calcifer]

fate I am probably not moving my vote and tim is correct that you are pushing for an easy lynch with zabriel. who on your wagon are you thinking is scum?

does fate habitually bus scummates?

fate crushes his weaker scumpartners

[Calcifer]

like, fate-scum first priority is fucking up weak scumpartners before they do something stupid
and then fucking up town

[Calcifer]

Plus Fate town GIVES UP lynching Kats-scum?

Really? Right after Kats even claims and some votes fall off?

Nah.

why do you think fate town wouldn't give up lynching scum-Katsuki?

Fate is actually trying to take the path of least resistance here since he would have to deal with me and a few others trying to shut down the Kats wagon while making him the lynch.

he is trying to take the path of least resistance, as am I.
easy scum lynches are fantastic for forming town blocks.

[Calcifer]

Fate actually wont respond to anything that Kats is saying. Fate just snaps right back onto Kats with a "he is scum" approach without really giving the reason. Even Fate-town as annoying as it is just spam quotes the one line he hates or something.

Fate-scum has a similar playstyle to Fate-town as far as reasoning goes; neither are shy about giving reasons. Specifically, why do you think it's to Fate-scum's advantage not to give reasons here?

Because Kats was at L-1 and the wagon really was only getting resistance, not stalling.

Right, the wagon was getting resistance, but not stalling. Fate-scum could have easily pushed through the Kawaii wagon, especially after the VT claim, and he could have easily chalked it up to personality. Why didn't he?

You keep leaving me hanging here. What are your thoughts on my previous posts, especially my restricted ability to make a meta case?

i am leaving you hanging and going for easier scum because I am 100% confident in this scum and think that Fate/Kawaii is an issue that is best tabled for today, maybe tomorrow as well. i would very much like to discuss your meta case, and we can't do that yet. lynching you without allowing you to discuss said meta would be a poor move because i can guess the angle you are trying to take, and i have a couple of issues with it. lynching fate on a case that cannot be discussed is also a shitty move because it will result in us lynching him without a few people going all (;)) to each other and the other people on the wagon essentially trusting us. that's unacceptable. please look at zab, who I'm fairly confident is scum. if you don't like zab we can also lynch Jacob, who because of avoiding this thread for a full week without posting at all is most definitely a scumbag skating by on limited access, but would rather lynch zab for today since I know Zabiano Domingo Rodriguez pretty good.

[Calcifer]

so now you want me to vote fate because him lynching zab had bad timing
because momentum shift was going against him and zab and not so much against you anymore?
too bad that ignores the entire reason why the momentum was happening, and that's because you made posts that were TOWN. and instead of ignoring them and doing whatever, fate acknowledged that, backed off, went with zab. yes, it's a move that he would make as scum but it's also a move that makes complete and total sense coming from town because it is exactly where i was coming from.

[Calcifer]

you can say "oh yeah it was opportunistic because it went with the flow" all day. but i won't be anywhere close to sold unless you can say "oh yeah it was opportunistic and went with the flow. fate as town would disagree with the flow because..., while as scum he would stay with it because..."

[Calcifer]

Since you're so tapped into his mind, do tell where his zab scumread comes from.

probably from #802.
which i'm guessing he's read, considering that he quoted it.

[Calcifer]

just look at zab.

O hai game.

VOTE: Vifam

For that whole confirming via pm nonsense.

this vote was sheeping off Vifam's reasoning
which means one of two things
1) He was wrong and skimming pretty fucking hard
2) He was voting Vifam for stretching, which is pretty fucking stupid
either way, it was a shitty vote, and it screams him finding a bullshit reason to hop on one of the biggest wagons

NEXT

Attention has been elsewhere.

UNVOTE:

Thinking. Baked. Blah. I don't have anything real and good yet. Later.

no reaction to Vifam's mason claim
absolutely none
just an unvote so he's not stuck voting confirmed town
what does this accomplish for zab-town? nothing. absolutely nothing. it's not like vifam is gonna get lynched if he doesn't unvote. but for zab-scum, it makes sure that he doesn't get the "why is your vote still on pretty much confirmed scum" nonsense.

One name would probably good.

Calcifer, your meta on me sucks. It's been well established that I dislike early day 1 and find it hard to get into the game, especially in large games. I also smoke pretty regularly, so I'm very rarely sober while checking games. Quit being bad at this game.

this is the only time it is to address me
and all it contains is excuses + excuses
he calls me bad for calling him scum and implies that I am town even though he usually doesn't do that shit when he's town
then he brings forth that he usually doesn't usually like early day 1, he posts high, finds large games hard
three excuses for why his posting is strange, three acknowledgements that he KNOWS his posting is off, three attempts to explain the discrepancies.

Gonna go with HD. Didn't really care for the bv push. Torn on his reaction to Tim's pressure vote. The biggest thing bugging me here is the timing of it. It was OMGUS, and then 45 minutes of games and math later he's ready to retract it. I don't really buy it.

VOTE: HD

HD is scum because he doesn't care for the bv push?
are you fucking kidding me
he avoids commenting on mastin's attack on HD of "names not matching with roles" because he doesn't fucking know whether names match with roles, and attacks MATH like math is somehow scummy. fuck that. all that shows is he's finding poor excuses to jump on wagons again and not really giving a shit if who he is voting is scum or not.

I've been busy with other games and I think better when responding to direct inquiries.

@ZD - Forgot to add that back in. Basically, I dislike pressure votes on principle, so I could understand some omgus regardless of alignment.

"i think better when responding to direct inquiries"
yet another bullshit scum excuse to explain awkward posting

My vote was going there before ZD posted. I've got a few other games ongoing, so I was catching up on this one and posts happened.

BULLSHIT SCUM EXCUSE COUNT: 5

No opportunism here HD. You're just trying to artificially inflate an omgus/lurker case. Not cool. I'm voting a read. If I just wanted to sheep the popular wagon I'd have gone for Kawaii.

he says that HD is trying to artificially inflate an omgus/lurker case, which is essentially zabriel saying that there's no way that anyone could read him, instead of trying to respond to HD and prove him wrong. he then points out to not jumping on the Kawaii wagon and that somehow makes him town? or in other words, he was avoiding the kawaii wagon so no one could call him out for opportunism.

I'm more interested in my NY game tbh right now. Once Day 1 ends this game will get cool.

6.
"once day 1 ends this game will get cool" is also a bunch of bullshit. setting a time limit for when he will start posting better gives him more time to talk strategy with scumbuddies, and it might even allow him to take a shot at me (who he is STILL completely ignoring, talk about dealing with people who can read you as scum). town doesn't know when you will be more interested in the game. scum knows that tomorrow will be an easier day.

UNVOTE:

That's a lot of rage there Tim. You should take a breath. In other news; counterwagon, ho!

VOTE: Fate

Seriously, especially after the last couple pages I'm very confident that Tim is town. I think he sums up the Kawaii wagon really well in 726.

finally, this.
people have pointed out Fate's blatant opportunism, which is cool.
i am confused why they haven't focused on zab's as well. yes, momentum was moving against fate and zab. fate votes zab, zab votes fate. both opportunistic, yes. but which move made more sense? Fate's, after Kawaii wallposting and looking town as shit and zab tossing this bullshit vote on him? Or Zab's, which happened after he got a good townread on Timeater?

lynch him.

[Calcifer]

Kinda hate going back on my word, but I'm up for that Calc lynch now Tim.

What about that last post was bad? Reasoning was sound, IMO.

Are you saying you think zab is town?

Trying too hard to derail the Fate wagon; ignoring the core of 822.
According to 842, zab will vote the biggest wagon..but hey, he skipped voting me. And the reason, according to Calc now, is that he didn't want to be seen as opportunistic. So, Zoid, it's a mix of inconsistent accusations against zab. The vehement push is also bad timing considering Fate needs a counterwagon, so it doesn't look good for Calc, no.

They were so sure of HD. Now they're recklessly so sure of zab to FINALLY make a case despite throwing jabs at zab most of the game. It's suspicious that now when Fate is being run up, Calc treats it like crunch time.

And his opinions of why Fatescum would/wouldn't do things is opinion based meta (I think), and that's not enough to trump out the opinions of the rest of us. The fact that he's trying so strongly to debate/defend/however you look at it is damning to me. Continually ignoring that I got a mod warning for a reason, AND ignoring the guillotine in 822 for his own personal belief are strange actions.

What I get from Calc is that they're not fully committing to reading Fate as town, but they are derailing the rest of us for how we find Fate to be scum.

finally, this.
people have pointed out Fate's blatant opportunism, which is cool.
i am confused why they haven't focused on zab's as well. yes, momentum was moving against fate and zab. fate votes zab, zab votes fate. both opportunistic, yes. but which move made more sense? Fate's, after Kawaii wallposting and looking town as shit and zab tossing this bullshit vote on him? Or Zab's, which happened after he got a good townread on Timeater?

lynch him.

This reminds me of when Fatescum pulls his nice guy 180s and tries to be compelling, convincing and shit. No ty.

HEY TIM
THIS IS HOW YOU SUSPECT ME AS TOWN

[Calcifer]

Trying too hard to derail the Fate wagon; ignoring the core of 822.

The core of 822 was that Fate's switch from you to zab didn't make sense, and was likely a result of the momentum shift. I am pointing out that the momentum shifted because your specific posts at that time were town. Can I buy Fate being a lazy fuck and skimming your posts until suddenly the wagon deteriorates? Yes. Easily.

According to 842, zab will vote the biggest wagon..but hey, he skipped voting me. And the reason, according to Calc now, is that he didn't want to be seen as opportunistic.

that's not necessarily the reason he skipped voting you
could be because too many scumbuddies were pushing you, because he didn't want to draw your ire...
the important part of that point is that he didn't vote you, and used that as a way for him to be like "YOU CAN'T CALL ME OPPORTUNISTIC, I DIDN'T VOTE KAWAII"

They were so sure of HD. Now they're recklessly so sure of zab to FINALLY make a case despite throwing jabs at zab most of the game. It's suspicious that now when Fate is being run up, Calc treats it like crunch time.

yes because it is crunch time
i'm voting zab now because he's officially my strongest scum read
i didn't vote zab earlier because we were going hard after HD for what seemed like a scumslip, but his response afterwards made him so fucking town that i just couldn't do it anymore
didn't vote for zab after that because fate was right with the early HD read and i wanted to see where he would go for it
then you became town as shit

And his opinions of why Fatescum would/wouldn't do things is opinion based meta (I think), and that's not enough to trump out the opinions of the rest of us. The fact that he's trying so strongly to debate/defend/however you look at it is damning to me. Continually ignoring that I got a mod warning for a reason, AND ignoring the guillotine in 822 for his own personal belief are strange actions.

YES
my opinions of why Fatescum would do this, wouldn't do that
they don't trump everyone's. yours don't either, ESPECIALLY when we can't talk about them. and the reason you got warned? you won't get warned if you say the same thing a little while from now. i don't like talking about that situation because i hate fucking around with ongoing games.
there's no reason why fate should be lynched today
if he's town, he hasn't been town for a WHILE except for War in Hell which really doesn't count cuz replacement then lynch
and there's no way in hell that I'm lynching him today when i can't even voice my reasons for him being town

This reminds me of when Fatescum pulls his nice guy 180s and tries to be compelling, convincing and shit. No ty.

except there was no nice guy 180
i'm just a nice guy

[Calcifer]

And what do you make of tajo being replaced with no word on Fate's activity?

couldn't care less
ut knows fate in real life, pretty sure he doesn't know tajo in real life
could be going easier on him because he knows fate's been around and doesn't want to get an unnecessary replacement

[Calcifer]

and yeah, I think califer is town.

thank you. because i am fucking pissed.

[Calcifer]

i need this.

You've got all the answers then.

this post is garbage
hilariously fucking garbage
because it shows how tunnel fucked you are. i give you a possibility for town fate, and you're like LOL YOU KNOW EVERYTHING
if i was like fuck you i don't fucking know you're like LOL EXACTLY
don't act like you're going to work with me if you are not going to attempt to read my shit.

Fool me once, fool me twice... no more fooling around, Fate.

fool you once, fool you twice...
then you paranoia lynch him.
it's like a 100% unbreakable strategy 4 town win
thank you for gracing me with this amazing logic

I have no choice but to think Katsuki is scum if he hasn't read me correctly here, I've dropped about 7 towntells and none of my scumtells this game

Dude.....

Vote: Fate

HI TERRIBLE FUCKING VOTE
"NAH ITS OKAY BECAUSE WE'RE LYNCHING FATE. I AM JUST GOING TO BLINDLY LYNCH THE FUCK OUT OF FATE BECAUSE HIS LOGIC IS SO BAD"
WHERE THE FUCK IS THE LOGIC HERE

I have no choice but to think Katsuki is scum if he hasn't read me correctly here, I've dropped about 7 towntells and none of my scumtells this game

Dude.....

Vote: Fate

Dude....

that's Fate.

(Also I'm back and probably re-reading soonish, Calc looks town (durr))

sheep me so i can read you better

K,

If you're actually town (doubt it based on your play) then you're no help to us anyways so I feel pretty good about this.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Fate

OH LOL I AM GOING TO VOTE YOU
BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T ANSWER MY QUESTION
I AM THE BEST SCUMHUNTER! also this is a policy lynch

get the fuck out
and fucking respond to my fucking zabriel case

I have no choice but to think Katsuki is scum if he hasn't read me correctly here, I've dropped about 7 towntells and none of my scumtells this game

If anything it's upwards 7 scumtells and no towntells.

I can understand you hating life for drawing two straight scumgames vs me though.

oh cool this is the best fucking post ever

I actually understand alignment fatigue and it does fuck up your town game for a while if you have too many scum games for a while.

I agree with that, but I'm going to trust the "not scumhunting" tell at this point.

OH REALLY
THAT'S A PRETTY GOOD TELL YOU HAVE THERE
SOUNDS BETTER THAN THE "CASES ARE SCUMMY TELL" KISE HAS

I have no choice but to think Katsuki is scum if he hasn't read me correctly here, I've dropped about 7 towntells and none of my scumtells this game

Dude.....

Vote: Fate

Dude....

that's Fate.

(Also I'm back and probably re-reading soonish, Calc looks town (durr))

What would be the town purpose of manipulating the tells you "drop"?

beep boop and here peregrinev comes rolling in with a do-it-yourself case
it's one of those stupid fucking questions that's like "oh, i'm gonna imply this is scummy but feel free to explain town purpose behind it"
get a real fucking case and stop ignoring mine

UNVOTE: fate

I am going to wait for vifam.

I actually understand alignment fatigue and it does fuck up your town game for a while if you have too many scum games for a while.

and yeah, I think califer is town.

Just for the record vifam isn't the best to trust. I'd easily trust your reads over his.

Aside from the calcifer one. He's scum but Fate first.

"I will trust you except when you disagree with me"
god that's the fucking best

I just want to point out how bullshit this post is.

If you know about them, then they're not Tells any more. Just like in the movie Casino Royale where Le Chiffre has a twitch when he bluffs, it's only useful to James Bond as long as Le Chiffre isn't aware he's dropping that tell. As soon as Le Chiffre learns of his bluffing tell he drops it on purpose to bankrupt James Bond.

As soon as you are aware of what some of your scum and town tells are, they are no longer tells because you could be dropping them on purpose to bluff.

Ergo, Fate is full of shit.

hey did you know something
this is true
did you know something else
IT ESPECIALLY DOESN'T WORK WHEN YOU FUCKING TELL THE PERSON YOU KNOW THE TELLS
IF LE CHIFFRE WAS LIKE "HEY JAMES BOND I TWITCHED"
AND JAMES BOND WAS LIKE "HAHAHAHA I GOT YOU"
THE MOVIE WOULD BE FUCKING STUPID

But Katsuki just posted this bullshit: DONT TRUST CONFIRMED TOWN TRUST YOUR OWN INSTINCTS LUKE AND HELP ME MISLYNCH

I told a confirmed town to trust their read over their other confirmed town buddy's.

GUESS THAT MAKES ME SCUM HUH

wow guess that makes him scum!!
you win!!

more fate votes please

more posts that make sense please

Vote: Fate

"lol this is ok because i said all i would post for the rest of the game were votes
hahahaha that's okay, right"
fuck you
and everybody is okay with this
because that's completely fucking town, right?

Sell me the Fate case, then.


Every point I've seen against him is pretty weak tbh

here's why fate isn't calling Vifam an idiot, Katsuki.
because he's being a hell of a lot smarter than you

[Calcifer]

V/LA is starting early. I just dropped my laptop and it got very unlucky in the fall. I am taking it to be serviced tomorrow and will be on the desktop until it is fixed.

67.
what does this number mean to you?
67 times you got away with posting somewhere else.
67 times you decreed this day 1 too boring.
67 times you were too high to post in this thread.
67 times you decided "nah, fuck posting in this thread. nacho is too stupid to read me anyways".
67 times you said to yourself that you didn't give a fuck about calc scum
67 times everyone else said "No, he's avoiding this game because he's a busy young man!"
67 times you got away
67 posts elsewhere
without a single
fucking
post
here
die.

[Calcifer]

and yeah, I think califer is town.

thank you. because i am fucking pissed.

why

because there are so many people in this game that i appreciate and i don't get to play with properly
so i'm putting in some hard fucking time to bring people together and be like "okay, let's fucking do this"
i put in some HARD FUCKING TIME to bring people together and be like "okay, let's fucking do this"
and people are like "nah, effort is scummy"
and that is literally the biggest pile of bullshit in the entire fucking world
meanwhile people are playing the "oh you aren't that good of a player so fuck you" game and discrediting for no fucking reason and that is fucking stupid

[Calcifer]

@Nacho: It'd work a bit better if not for the fact that I'm literally a sane cop investigation when it comes to reading Fate.

Fate is in all likelihood scum.

were you right with this quote?

[Calcifer]

@Nacho: It'd work a bit better if not for the fact that I'm literally a sane cop investigation when it comes to reading Fate.

now ready for some real life statistics
i'm 100% in lynching scum zab
i'm 100% for not mislynching town zab as town
so i guess it's your "i'm never wrong" versus mine!

[Calcifer]

why are you ignoring my question nacho

i ignored it at first because i was mid-rant
but i have responded now

[Calcifer]

3) zab wagon - ehh... im actually not in love with it for a tell I saw in there which I dont want to get into. If it gets near a claim let me talk on it clearly okay?

i can understand this
but i can't really drop the case now when he's all but claimed scum in thread
mastin's mentioned a scumread on peregrine that i don't quite see yet
so when that comes to fruition, i'll get back to you.

[Calcifer]

oh i feel it
i fucking feel it
this is what i wanted

[Calcifer]

i see what you mean about mafia being like basketball
coach gave me a pep talk, i'm fucking going ham

[Calcifer]

You want to play another day with Fate/us? We've played plenty. He rolled scum that's just too bad

no the fuck he didn't.
he rolled town
these are the fucking GLORY DAYS

I'm throwing sarcasm out the window and just being real with you. Fate isn't some rookie. He has a brain, and he's capable of mindfucking other players when he wants to. Yeah he tried to show us how his magic trick works, but you don't go trusting a wolf just because he admits up front to eating humans.

oh no. that's not why i trust him at all. i trust him because of his interactions with me. we've had a lot of games where we buddy up each other
and every time we share the same alignment. that fucking shit happens. fate can't gauge how i'm feeling about him as scum. he can as town. i defend him regardless of alignment as a policy since i feel easier reading him by day 2 or day 3. he taught me long ago the power of the FLIP FLOP, so he doesn't know when i'm gonna turn on him, and i don't know when he's going to turn on me. so there's always that slight bit of paranoia between us even though we don't really talk about it. but here i have no doubt in my mind that this is what I hoped for. mastin hasn't been very involved with the QT, but I've been vocal with his contributions. but i'll let him speak for himself; i don't mind that at all.

Zab can literally do what he's done as any alignment, and he HAS done it.

see so many people say this about fate because they don't understand him. you're calling zab unreadable. that's a fucking lie. that's a huge fucking lie. the way you read him is different from the way i read him. you don't know him like i do. katsuki says he can read fate for a reason, right? i don't go on bullshit lane being like "yeah i can read this motherfucker and he is scum". I am putting my fucking pride on the fucking line. he is scum. he plays differently as as scum when he's around me; I see this adjustment loud and clear.

worth fearing a 1st mislynch (in your eye) D1.

fate mislynch d1 is the worst possible result
if i have fate, if i have mollie, if i have mastin, if i have RBD, if I have Vifam...
and i can be the link between them
and i can have these 5 players work their crazy fucking playstyles in catching scum
then fuck you
we fucking win

[Calcifer]

then me and RBD chit chat about some massclaim shit because scum killing claimed VT over claimed Masons or softclaimed PRs means that they fucked up hard

[Calcifer]

No it means they can use the excuse that masons were more likely to be doctored than a VT. This comes across like zab is your only option

nope you are done
i will talk with other people
you are fucking finished

[Calcifer]

yup js is scum like i said surprise surprise

[Calcifer]

Nacho depending on how this day ends If I'm alive D2 I'm gonna go into some god mode shit in the Mason QT

and if i'm alive i will pass you that rock
i'm so ready to trash this clownfuck scumteam

[Calcifer]

No it means they can use the excuse that masons were more likely to be doctored than a VT. This comes across like zab is your only option

nope you are done
i will talk with other people
you are fucking finished

I'll be waiting on mastin's reply..

i don't care. sorry.

[Calcifer]

oh god jacob you are tempting me so fucking much
could you be the final nail in Kawaii's grave?

[Calcifer]

fuck man
the zab push has confirmed timeater as scum
and kise is probably gonna find a poor excuse to avoid voting jacob
hmmmmm

[Calcifer]

Could you informally prod Seanald, bv, tajo, and YYR?

[Calcifer]

Actually

What are the reads on Zoidberg

Town.

Also how the he'll am I a nail. I don't even have a point.

should probably think about lynching him too

but nacho

why

fucking why

are you ignoring my reach out?

i am not even a little bit
>.>

Also, Zoidberg's first vote on Timeeater was terrible because he doesn't even bother to specify why time's claim was scummy, he just says it's scummy for "reasons", then in his next post he quotes Time's claim and literally says nothing about it.

the ~reasons~ that are acceptable to push for but not talk about are the type of reasons that you push hard as fuck and don't really stop until something amazing happens, and zoidberg showed no sign of this at all. he didn't try to pull anyone over to the wagon at all. so i definitely agree with this.

@Calcifer - Is Tim-scum conditional on my flip, or is he scum because he made a point of saying he's sheeping you?

neither keep trying scumbag

I want Fate dead because he's given very few reasons for any of his thoughts and he is trying to push things through on the strength of his personality. When he does give the reasons behind his thoughts, they are usually vague or shitty.

what you're describing is something he does regardless of alignment

[Calcifer]

vifam which one out of kawaii/tim/zab/JS do you think i am wrong about if zoid is scum

[Calcifer]

Finally caught up!

There's a large component of meta reads involved in it, but I'm not really getting a scum vibe from Fate. He seems more disillusioned and apathetic which I don't really correlate with scum or town, and from my own memory, I don't think I've ever seen Fate of either alignment act the way he's acting here.

Calcifer, why is Zab a good wagon?

you didn't read

[Calcifer]

Calcifer, what's a town game of Fate's where you think he's pushing wagons for vague or shitty reasons?

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=52&t=16139

[Calcifer]

I get his claiming alignment fatigue but if he has only been recent scum in like 2 games then no, I am not sure that is what is going on. try 8 or 9. or like my friend praying who had like 12 or 13.

different pace, quicker fatigue
when i played less games at once, it'd only take like 3 before i went fucking crazy

I am the ice king and vifam is gunter. since we are already outed it does not matter if we reveal this info. who else do we have. so far I have hd, tim and fate claiming prs, I think one of them character claimed but I forget who. I think there may have been others. so of those, can we get character names so that we can somehow get some organisation in here? that would be nice.

i think we should massclaim.
what do you think?

[Calcifer]

I admit to skimming.

just look at zab.

O hai game.

VOTE: Vifam

For that whole confirming via pm nonsense.

this vote was sheeping off Vifam's reasoning
which means one of two things
1) He was wrong and skimming pretty fucking hard
2) He was voting Vifam for stretching, which is pretty fucking stupid
either way, it was a shitty vote, and it screams him finding a bullshit reason to hop on one of the biggest wagons

NEXT

Attention has been elsewhere.

UNVOTE:

Thinking. Baked. Blah. I don't have anything real and good yet. Later.

no reaction to Vifam's mason claim
absolutely none
just an unvote so he's not stuck voting confirmed town
what does this accomplish for zab-town? nothing. absolutely nothing. it's not like vifam is gonna get lynched if he doesn't unvote. but for zab-scum, it makes sure that he doesn't get the "why is your vote still on pretty much confirmed scum" nonsense.

One name would probably good.

Calcifer, your meta on me sucks. It's been well established that I dislike early day 1 and find it hard to get into the game, especially in large games. I also smoke pretty regularly, so I'm very rarely sober while checking games. Quit being bad at this game.

this is the only time it is to address me
and all it contains is excuses + excuses
he calls me bad for calling him scum and implies that I am town even though he usually doesn't do that shit when he's town
then he brings forth that he usually doesn't usually like early day 1, he posts high, finds large games hard
three excuses for why his posting is strange, three acknowledgements that he KNOWS his posting is off, three attempts to explain the discrepancies.

Gonna go with HD. Didn't really care for the bv push. Torn on his reaction to Tim's pressure vote. The biggest thing bugging me here is the timing of it. It was OMGUS, and then 45 minutes of games and math later he's ready to retract it. I don't really buy it.

VOTE: HD

HD is scum because he doesn't care for the bv push?
are you fucking kidding me
he avoids commenting on mastin's attack on HD of "names not matching with roles" because he doesn't fucking know whether names match with roles, and attacks MATH like math is somehow scummy. fuck that. all that shows is he's finding poor excuses to jump on wagons again and not really giving a shit if who he is voting is scum or not.

I've been busy with other games and I think better when responding to direct inquiries.

@ZD - Forgot to add that back in. Basically, I dislike pressure votes on principle, so I could understand some omgus regardless of alignment.

"i think better when responding to direct inquiries"
yet another bullshit scum excuse to explain awkward posting

My vote was going there before ZD posted. I've got a few other games ongoing, so I was catching up on this one and posts happened.

BULLSHIT SCUM EXCUSE COUNT: 5

No opportunism here HD. You're just trying to artificially inflate an omgus/lurker case. Not cool. I'm voting a read. If I just wanted to sheep the popular wagon I'd have gone for Kawaii.

he says that HD is trying to artificially inflate an omgus/lurker case, which is essentially zabriel saying that there's no way that anyone could read him, instead of trying to respond to HD and prove him wrong. he then points out to not jumping on the Kawaii wagon and that somehow makes him town? or in other words, he was avoiding the kawaii wagon so no one could call him out for opportunism.

I'm more interested in my NY game tbh right now. Once Day 1 ends this game will get cool.

6.
"once day 1 ends this game will get cool" is also a bunch of bullshit. setting a time limit for when he will start posting better gives him more time to talk strategy with scumbuddies, and it might even allow him to take a shot at me (who he is STILL completely ignoring, talk about dealing with people who can read you as scum). town doesn't know when you will be more interested in the game. scum knows that tomorrow will be an easier day.

UNVOTE:

That's a lot of rage there Tim. You should take a breath. In other news; counterwagon, ho!

VOTE: Fate

Seriously, especially after the last couple pages I'm very confident that Tim is town. I think he sums up the Kawaii wagon really well in 726.

finally, this.
people have pointed out Fate's blatant opportunism, which is cool.
i am confused why they haven't focused on zab's as well. yes, momentum was moving against fate and zab. fate votes zab, zab votes fate. both opportunistic, yes. but which move made more sense? Fate's, after Kawaii wallposting and looking town as shit and zab tossing this bullshit vote on him? Or Zab's, which happened after he got a good townread on Timeater?

lynch him.

[Calcifer]

nacho to pour his heart and soul like he said he would

i will
i have a couple of times
but i'll keep giving my all for you

[Calcifer]

Vote: JacobSavage

[Calcifer]

I like what Kise said about YYR and I'd be willing to lynch him based on his last few posts

no fuck no let's lynch jacob
let's just fucking quicklynch the shit out of him

[Calcifer]

im real surprised there is still nothing on Jacob or YYR. We all say how shitty and scummy jacob has been but yet he hasn't even had a wagon wtf is that about.

whoops time to get moving and lynch jacob with me

You see this, Vifam? This is scum talking to you, sweet talking you to the point you don't even realize you're being bent over while they lube the edging of your asshole. You're a self proclaimed follower. Why is Nacho asking YOU to help him figure out who he's wrong about? We know it's not because he's scumhunting you. I'll tell you why. He's wanting to use you to help get him over to the Zoid wagon. Didn't he just call me town as shit a minute ago, now he's asking you to help him figure out which name out of his perfect 4 suspects he's wrong about.

WHY IS NACHO ASKING A CONFIRMED TOWN TO GIVE OPINION ON HIS READS WHEN CONFIRMED TOWN SAID HE WAS A FOLLOWER ALREADY
IT MAKES NO SENSE
HE'S SWEET TALKING YOU
DON'T FALL FOR IT MAN, DON'T FALL FOR IT

It's just that right now, at this moment we need to work together if you're town, and the condescending tone everyone and their mother is using in this game isn't helping, not everyone in this game can act like they're the king of the goddamm mountain. There needs to be SOME type of cooperation

yeah can we stop shitting on vifam specifically
i think we're veering from mafia assholes into fucking assholes territory

[Calcifer]

If Fate is lynched and he's mafia we basically win the game at this point assuming the 3-4 lurkertards aren't all mafia

this is fucking terrible
and vifam called you out on it and you're like
"lol vifam sucks"

[Calcifer]

That is a list of five people, this isn't just "Oh I just changed my mind about him". You said we needed to look into five different people to find scum, and you didn't even LOOK at those people.

But okay, I can play pretend, who are your top scumreads at this very moment

zoid might be scum but JS is the one scum will bus first, and the one that RBD will lynch without complaining too much

[Calcifer]

mollie let's get cozy then
vote jacob with me

[Calcifer]

RBD, please join the JS wagon. I don't feel good about the PV wagon at all.

Vifam, all of the scum are threats. They can all submit the kill, stronger mafia players can use weaker ones to make themselves look better and make people off the wagon look worse, who fucking knows what PRs they have... It's getting a little bit greedy to say "he's not a big enough threat for Day 1". I would understand if this was midgame, but early game is the best time to take care of lynches like this.

[Calcifer]

especially if he is the STRONGEST PR IN THE GAME WHO IS A PART-PGO like he says he is

RBD, this is a game that is going to take a lot of compromises, I think. He's not my optimal lynch either, but I think he's the closest we can get to common ground without making a bad lynch at this point.

[Calcifer]

if shit don't get serious in a bit ill be joining that jacob wagon like i said.

[Calcifer]

He's not doing anything, not reading the game, not scumhunting, but somehow people still think he's town.

Spoiler:

This is so boringly grating. Like I said, not really participating until the day is over.

Pedit: Thank you Kise.

sit down turd

If Fate is lynched and he's mafia we basically win the game at this point assuming the 3-4 lurkertards aren't all mafia

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lalalalalalala

[Calcifer]

The weekend is over mastin, I know you're not vla drawing hentai or anything. Respond now please.

Zab can literally do what he's done as any alignment, and he HAS done it. Mastin should know this due to the Harry Potter/MGS game. I don't believe for a second that mastin would hold out that kind of knowledge from you. At best zab is NULL.

Meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeh.

That's what I say.

My head's not in the game. I'm reading the posts, but I feel like a spectator; I can't get anything alignment-indicative out of them. Zab's pretty much null for me. Not town, not scum, so whatever Nacho says, I'll go with.

[Calcifer]

vifam and I are town. we want a scum lynch. do you think you can help us out with that?

I'll do what I can, but the half of the hydra you want is Nacho.

[Calcifer]

I know they exist, I've played as one even, I just didn't know they could be mafia aligned.

Also about this proposal to have Fate target Tim. Yeah not a fan, finding the Serail Killer early is of great benefit to the town so why waste that power?

can we please lynch this
please

[Calcifer]

I seriously think calcifer is scum

why?

[Calcifer]

when fate flips red ur next nacho

ur terrified and so are some other people i wont mention

so transparent

I don't get scared as scum. I get excited, intrigued, hyped.

I have no idea what message this post is supposed to be conveying.

I can't help you.

His life, another day, and perhaps some ccs down the line

a cc
to an sk cop
you think that fate as sk
would claim sk cop so they could cc him?
are you fucking kidding me

is that why you made a seer/vig/pgo/busdriver/hider/commuter/almost every other night role/ possible claim without actually outing your role but fishing for other players' claims?

that was a good one

ouch mollie
that was a pretty good burn

Right so

People who aren't on the Zoidberg wagon should explain why

Because he's a scumbutt that needs lynched

don't feel like fucking around with that softclaim

can someone plz tell me if the typical SK meta on this site is sole survivor or is it survive until game? tia

sole survivor, 99% of the time
because this site knows how to treat third parties

[Calcifer]

i'm also leaning heavily towards massclaiming
i think we could break this game if Tim is telling the truth

[Calcifer]

Yarr.

Time to get algebraic.

i could kiss you right now.

[Calcifer]

I generally don't like d1 massclaims but since it appears we are already on our way.

hey
hey tim
you got a useful opinion on massclaim?

[Calcifer]

I'll finish catching up tomorrow. Better than 50% chance I'll have something good.

Let me just give you a bit of algebra as promised: if R is a ring such that x^n=x for all x in R for some n, then R is commutative.

keep speaking these sweet, sweet words

[Calcifer]

Not liking the BV/CES wagon when there are much juicier lynch targets to be had.

Wish mollie would start thinking for herself instead of just blindly doing what Vifam does.

massclaim
y/n?

I would be okay with massclaiming, but since Fate isnt getting lynched we dont need to do that.

i think we might get some useful shit from it regardless

[Calcifer]

especially when there are 5 softclaimed/hardclaimed PRs floating around already since you boys can't keep it in your pants

[Calcifer]

And I take it we are all waiting for cogito's input?

yes.
then we are lynching jacobsavage.

[Calcifer]

He stated the wording of "SK Cop" was game-relevant somehow pages back. Some dumb role thing, presumably.

Can you be productive and help get JS lynched now?

why not ask for jacob to be forced replaced? jacob is a low participant player and it is not alignment indicative for him. I would go after one of 10 million scummy players in this game than go after the low hanging fruit. I generally find going after lurkers right off the bat to be scummy but will do it in a pinch in order to compromise or if everyone is looking town and I don't want waste a good player on a possible misread. we don't have that problem here we have several players who are making posts that do NOT come from a town POV and they should be lynched for that but w/e, I guess I am the only one who is actually interested in catching scum here!

honey, we are in a pinch.
we have 2 days until deadline. the biggest wagon is on fucking CES who is not scum at all and is crazy fucking accurate.
i am going to be V/LA for two days because i need to do some things.
I will be back by the deadline, but I'll only be able to move my vote.
make sure that CES isn't lynched
make sure that Jacob is.
your argument is that he plays an amazing scum game and only seems scummy as town is false
do you remember Rach's game, where Fe was lynched Day 1 and flipped scum?
that was us lynching JacobSavage Day 1.

[Calcifer]

CES BAG ME SOME SCUMBAGS

[Calcifer]

Vote: Calcifer

i can dance with you today, tomorrow
any day of the motherfucking week
i can't wait until we get to kill you
can't. fucking. wait.

[Calcifer]

Vote: Fate

Fate/Calcifer/Vifam/Mollie

rekt

...

[Calcifer]

@Calc, why do you want to massclaim?

I thought it would be good for people to finally start outting their shit since there's been a ton of softclaims thrown around. It certainly would solve the RBD-Fate situation, probably would solve the Timeater situation... so much good would come out of it. And I am thinking you are probably town again!
so yeah

But really I am next to 100% sure you are the SK here. You actually arent mafia because as I said, there was no way you claim what you are unless you are town/SK. You are the SK though and as I said, got lucky with the way you worded your claim. For you to be the SK cop there is at LEAST three roles that can catch the SK. More possibly depending on why there was only one kill.

Okay. Why is SK-Fate the number one priority for today?

Did you just say "nig smile"

yeah I paused here too

calci, (the nacho half) do you remember how buldey was obsessed with you being the SK and spent the entire game trying to get you lynched even though you were like scum's best friend in that game?

yuuuup
I'm having a "hold on" moment with my RBD townread.

yea lets let a bunch of scummy players to tell us to massclaim then actually do it

ok good plan

We should lynch this scum
Vote: Calcifer

Zdenek?
what is your reasoning and why am I having to ask for it?

[Calcifer]

to the response to 1682, I meant to ask Timeater why massclaiming in this scenario would be bad.
but i'm not panicking because he's probably going to ignore me anyways!

[Calcifer]

PV
Sean
Zoid
Zab
Tajo
Zd
Calc
Time
Rainbow
CES

I realize we're not even close to obvtown enough to be near last, but could Timeater go before us?
Yes, we have ~reasons~. (Mainly Nacho's. )

[Calcifer]

PV
Sean
Zoid
Zab
Tajo
Zd
Calc
Time
Rainbow
CES

I realize we're not even close to obvtown enough to be near last, but could Timeater go before us?
Yes, we have ~reasons~. (Mainly Nacho's. )

Oh, and Zab should totally be above Zoid ftr.

[Calcifer]

Zdenek?
what is your reasoning and why am I having to ask for it?

For now ISO me.

or you could claim
and that would be cool

[Calcifer]

UT, could you early prod zab?

[Calcifer]

you guys are throwing out some statements a man can believe in

[Calcifer]

you know, i never realized how ridiculous the lurking in this game was until i had to wait for them to claim.

[Calcifer]

yeah, yeah.
i was just figuring out if i should claim specifics about things. i'm not.
princess bubblegum, inventor.

[Calcifer]

VOTE: Timeater

[Calcifer]

lmao @ all this posturing

Paraphrasing a role PM takes seconds, fabricating a good fakeclaim takes an eternity.

[Calcifer]

Claim: I have 4 passive abilities. I wouldn't recommend targeting me during the night. That is all.

jake the dog, odd/even ascetic/pgo

currently pgo

That's not four abilities, Tim. That's two.

[Calcifer]

I'm going to ask that you unvote right now.

We are in the middle of a mass-claim. I don't want there to be a hammer until there's been a chance for discussion. I've been in a situation where someone has refused to claim, and I'm not sure that auto-lynching them is the correct move.

He had no reason to want to postpone claiming.

Vote: Timeater

Nice of you to bus your buddy, Z, but you're still scum for this transition.

[Calcifer]

Nacho was V/LA during the night, so it was me who sent our invention in.
We had a plan on how to test Timeater's claim via our inventions, the exact details of which would rely on us outting what those inventions are. (Something Nacho ultimately decided against doing, so I'll trust his judgment on that.) Said plan was adapted around the masons, though I forget the exact details. (Think it relied on whether one of you would die or not.)

Nacho never gave an alternative plan, so I sent our invention in to the player we had originally planned to send it to.

[Calcifer]

Our invention was not sent to Timeater. We had a plan for confirming Timeater, one which would take effect either N2 or N3 depending on the order we sent our inventions in. The ultimate goal was to kill two scum with one stone, so to speak. That's as much as I'll say on the matter. (As it is, Nacho will probably shout at me for this much. )

As for scum not NK'ing the masons...you answered your own question.
If the masons are playing horribly (hint: suspecting us is playing horribly), the scum have no incentive to kill the conftown players.

[Calcifer]

Not being scum, we don't know who's going to be NK'd, mollie.
Do you expect us to have omnipotent knowledge of who's going to live or die?
Sending an invention to you would confirm us, yes, assuming you live (something we would have no guarantee of), but unless you also live long enough to see the plan through (something we

also

have no guarantee of), then it'd be a waste. Inventions aren't of much use if you don't live long enough to use said inventions, which conftown often won't.

[Calcifer]

mastin since you're on how about you attempt to explain the massive dissonance between you and nacho this game

It pretty much is a self-feeding three-part loop.

I had reads.
Nacho's reads differed.

When Nacho's reads are different from my own, I trust him over me, because historically, he's been right when I've been wrong more often than not.
With me trusting his reads, I kinda...lose my focus. When we have similar reads, he focuses me towards our common reads, but when our reads are almost polar opposites, it's discouraging to me.
When I lose my focus, my interest in the game decreases. I kinda feel like a spectator rather than a player.
When my interest decreases, my accuracy on my reads decreases, because I'm less and less interested in actually sorting out the scum from the town.
When I lose my accuracy, I rely more and more on Nacho's judgment, everything from his reads to his decisions.

Among those decisions is that he chose not to fully claim. If he chooses to do so, sure, he will, but he had his reasons for not doing so (whatever they were), so I'm trusting him.

[Calcifer]

why play at all then

Because despite how little I'm doing, I am still helping Nacho out even if just a bit. Also, loyalty. If I sign up to play, I'm going to see things through. I have a "if you signed up to play, actually play" policy, and despite my emotions, I'm doing the best I can to fulfill that.

I'm talking now, if you hadn't noticed, for precisely that reason. Nacho may be dominating our hydra atm, but he's not a dictator.

[Calcifer]

Increasingly happy with lynching Calcifer.

Well, that's 'cause you're either not thinking straight or are scum.

Our role is confirmable. And if our plan for its use worked, we could also confirm one, two, or maybe even three players as town/scum.

It aint gamebreakingly powerful, but it's certainly not something you'd want to lynch if town.

[Calcifer]

So explain why you wanted a mass-claim, when you had no intention of claiming, and why you've now outed that you had some sort of plan, but haven't told us what it was or what your inventions are.

All Nacho for that. Nacho's idea for a massclaim, Nacho's choice not to fullclaim, Nacho's plan, and so, Nacho's the guy you want.

remind me who you sent your invention to again

They know. That's good enough. Search our D1 posts with what I've said about the timeline of the plan forming (early D1) and you'll get a good idea of who. That's all you get from me.

We're playing Nacho Says, here.
Nacho Says, "claim target", we claim target.
Nacho not say "claim target", we not claim target.

[Calcifer]

Ohwait.

I shoulda checked PMs.

*I* sent in one target, within the deadline.
Nacho was late, with a new target, but said new target was honored by the mod from what I can tell.

[Calcifer]

My initial submission was RBD. (Hence the above bit about checking early-D1 where Nacho went buddy-buddy with RBD.)
Nacho chose a new target.

Said new target was not, however, HD.

[Calcifer]

U gonna verify with UT?

It was already done. Basically, night went like this (paraphrased, of course):

Me: Initial choice of RBD to get an action in.
Mod, later: Gonna send anything in?
Nacho: Crud, we wanted to send in *what we actually submitted*!
Nacho: Oh, mastin's mah boi. He submitted an action earlier. Which did you use?
Mod: The most recent one. (Which Nacho submitted.)

[Calcifer]

Didn't need to.

I didn't know who Nacho wanted to send in, so I defaulted to RBD (a choice we discussed earlier in our QT) to make sure we actually got an action submitted.
I knew it probably wasn't what Nacho wanted, but since I wasn't sure what he DID want, yet I wasn't sure he was around, I made sure we had SOMEthing in. I pretty much said that Nacho's later-choice could override my own, which is what it did.

[Calcifer]

What if I told you guys I got an invention

Either a redirector or not ours, since you weren't our target. Nor was Kawaii, nor was HD.

[Calcifer]

Vifam, you better not be trolling, here.

Our new target was CES, which shouldn't be too hard to have guessed based off of the later-half of D1.

[Calcifer]

Dammit, Vifam, now Nacho's going to yell at me.

[Calcifer]

an inventor who did not send the masons a gift? riiiiiiiiiiiiiight

mollie you are a high priority kill target
you don't give inventions to high priority kill targets

[Calcifer]

- We should mass claim
- I don't want to full claim
- I have a plan to confirm a bunch of people, that I am spoiling by speaking about it, but I wanted there to be a mass-claim which is exactly the situation where me being forced to reveal my plan could have occurred.

inventions, zdenek.
i am giving gifts out that are pretty sexy in a massclaim scenario

[Calcifer]

Vote: Zdenek

Timeater/Zoidberg/Seanald
is a little too much reflexive power for one game
likely scum in timeater/seanald since zoidberg is a doctor for targetting town PRs
in seanald versus timeater, seanald's role makes more sense for town.
PGO is cool and all, but punishes town power roles pretty hard
aesthetic is essentially useless for town unless they are getting targetted by scum rolecop?
self-redirector kills those who targets them
aand doesn't fuck over power roles
and that's super cool

[Calcifer]

plus timeater actually putting significant suspicion on the masons early game is a horribly scummy move
there's reason for paranoia AFTER masons have survived for a while, but this is just ridiculous

[Calcifer]

I have no doubts that you are being truthful about your role, which makes it not a threat at all.
Culling scum of other power roles is much more important.

[Calcifer]

Timeater, do you believe the only protective role for today is CES's one shot bodyguard?

Fate, are you 100% on there actually being an SK in the game?

[Calcifer]

^this is what we'ere lynching today guys. Look at how much info about his buddies he's giving us

scum don't usually leave a trail like that so

please don't let him continue to call you scum.
i've fallen for that once before and it's a game that i'm never seeing happen again.

[Calcifer]

Scummy as fuck tier:

Rainbow
Vifam
Zoidberg

he's calling your mason scum, he's calling you scum
i have no idea why he put you two in different sections anyways
oh yeah because he's fucking scum but that's apparently not obvious yet

[Calcifer]

Timeater, do you believe the only protective role for today is CES's one shot bodyguard?

Fate, are you 100% on there actually being an SK in the game?

YES FOR THE LAST GODFUCKING DAMN TIME

cool target zoidy
i will give you a present or target zoidy with you so we can be invincible together
CES can use my present and become immortal as well, i'm assuming
or he can test the self-redirector with the fruit vendor
although i'd wager the fact he has a one-shot fruit vendor pretty much confirms seanald, soooo
i might also give a present to one of the masons for one-shot immortality as long as zoidy survives
decisions, decisions

[Calcifer]

Fruit Vendor does nothing but let someone confirm getting a fruit, which, if it's supposed to be a proving ability, you'll already be proving yourself with the bodyguard ability (which means you die if successful). At least you can prove yourself (sort of) with the governor ability.

he can also send fruit to the self-redirector and get his fruit back

[Calcifer]

Fruit Vendor does nothing but let someone confirm getting a fruit, which, if it's supposed to be a proving ability, you'll already be proving yourself with the bodyguard ability (which means you die if successful). At least you can prove yourself (sort of) with the governor ability.

he can also send fruit to the self-redirector and get his fruit back

That's worse since he claimed 2-shot.

hold my hand and take me to where you're standing, please.

[Calcifer]

Fruit Vendor does nothing but let someone confirm getting a fruit, which, if it's supposed to be a proving ability, you'll already be proving yourself with the bodyguard ability (which means you die if successful). At least you can prove yourself (sort of) with the governor ability.

he can also send fruit to the self-redirector and get his fruit back

That's worse since he claimed 2-shot.

hold my hand and take me to where you're standing, please.

As a normal night action, can you target yourself if you wanted to?

Self-redirector means that when people target him, their actions are redirected back to them. So if scum try to kill him, scum get killed instead. If CES tries to give him fruit, then CES receives his own fruit.

[Calcifer]

Calcifer's vote on me makes no sense. They had me as a town read

Why does this matter? My reads aren't static.

Also Calcifer thinking that scum-Timeater would buddy me, as his buddy, the way that he's been is silly. It practically confirms as not scum together.

Scum can bus, scum can buddy. Reasoning that follows this line is stupid.

You should redirect Calc

Would rather he didn't.

So seriously, everyone, reads on the VT's

Zdenek and PV are the scummiest of the VTs.

Because I should clear Fate for all times because of one report and ignore all the scumtells he's dropped just cuz

because of a backup cop claim and no other cops, ONE report (how many reports were you expecting?), and... yeah. that should be enough.

[Calcifer]

Lynch Rainbow please. I'll gladly 1v1 him.

If you want to declare a 1v1, I'm sure I'm willing to consider lynching you and then ignoring you after you're dead if you're town.

if we switch over + vifam/mollie/anyone is a lynch
i'm down

[Calcifer]

Since I think the cop/doc are in the VTs, lynching them because they are VTs is dumb.

The least believable of the claims is CES.

Vote: CES

what.

[Calcifer]

Since I think the cop/doc are in the VTs, lynching them because they are VTs is dumb.

The least believable of the claims is CES.

Vote: CES

what.

Nothing provable (except Governor if used) and nothing indicative of alignment.

no you believe the cop/doc are in the VTs...?

[Calcifer]

please please please don't assume things based on town lying. that's not a good assumption to make anywhere and is more likely to bite you in the ass/give scum a hell of an out.

[Calcifer]

If we don't lynch Calcifer it will be a travesty of Mafia.

TOWN DOES NOT SAY: HEY I'VE GOT A PLAN TO CLEAR A BUNCH OF PEOPLE.
THEREBY, RUINING THE CHANCES OF THE PLAN WORKING.
SCUM DOES THAT TO GET TOWN-CRED FOR COMING UP WITH PLANS.

That's all.

You're assuming the chances of the plan working are ruined. They are not.
Do you have any other reasons?

[Calcifer]

PV basically begging to be lynched

I'd rather get Rainbow tho

why do you say this?

[Calcifer]

So tajo replaced out. I'm voting him. Any ideas?

Zdenek.

[Calcifer]

>lynching confirmable ascetic/pgo (both aspects)

xD mafiascum.net at its finest

>trying to lynch claimed masons for flavor reasons (SPARE ME)
>trying to lynch someone with an innocent from a flipped JOAT

I'm done with your bullshit, Tim.

Vote: Timeater

[Calcifer]

>claimed deputy
>no cop claim

yes it's probably bullshit
you're still scum

[Calcifer]

have I fosed them? yes
is there a diference? yes

you are FoSing these roles while claiming your own role makes you unlynchable and amazing and the best
umbrage did that in gay mafia, and i can't help but think you're better than that

[Calcifer]

didnt you at one point say im mega obvious town

Different head, different time. Reads change.

[Calcifer]

FUCK YOU, KAWAII, WE'VE BEEN VANILLIZED.

[Calcifer]

FUCK YOU, KAWAII, WE'VE BEEN VANILLIZED.

By which, we mean:

We sent an invention to Kawaii.

Something this night phase caused us to lose all of our abilities permanently, i.e., we've been vanillized by something.

Btw, this supports Timeater-scum, via them fearing our plan. Since presumably, it was a scum power which vanillized us and not the fact that we targeted Kawaii.

VOTE: Timeater.

[Calcifer]

Holy hell, I just realized how damn much the scum are afraid.

They killed CES, who we sent one invention to.
They vanillized us, to prevent us from sending another invention.

Both of which act to sabotage whatever plan they think we might have had.

Why would they fear this plan if Timeater was town?

[Calcifer]

Oh, derp. Forgot. RBD already told us that Timeater's third party.
Still, though, guaranteed, he aint town.

VOTE: Zabriel.

Why?

They targeted Tim last night. Results for cop are Town, Mafia or Other. Tim is Other.

Calcifer - 4 (pirate mollie, Kawaii, Timeater, Seanald)
Fate - 1 (populartajo)
Timeater - 5 (

Calcifer

,

zabriel

, Zoidberg,

Rainbowdash

,

Fate

)
Seanald - 1 (YYR)
Not Voting - 3 (PeregrineV, Zdenek, Vifam)

That's why. RBD said their buddy had an Other result on Timeater, and lookie here, zabriel was among the first Timeater voters.

[Calcifer]

Calc is this Mastin or Nacho posting right now

When has Nacho ever used ":P"?

[Calcifer]

Why didn't you send me an invention last night?

Because we sent it to Kawaii.
Once again, Nacho's input was absent, so I fulfilled Kawaii's request rather than yours.

As for the result--we were told on daybreak that we had lost all active abilities. So technically not a full vanillize (passive abilities sound like they're maintained), but definitely an effective vanillize.

[Calcifer]

Vote: Timeater

Our inventions do not have names. The inventions were track, rolecop, and watch. We gave the watch to CES on Night 1, and the rolecop to Kawaii N2. I was talking about how amazing my plan was so I could draw scum interference while CES watched me. I didn't think they would have something to kill him during the day.

Kise, is Katsuki around?
because if you guys are town, i want to say:

[Calcifer]

And I'll subscribe to the theory of no SK. That picture of The Snail is when he was possessed by Lich. According to the wiki, Bear gives the possessed snail an ancient book that I can't bother to spell right. Someone lists The Bear as "henchman of the Lich" in the wiki, but the wiki doesn't really give much of their relationship, and ofc I don't watch this show, so.

Timeater, do you believe the only protective role for today is CES's one shot bodyguard?

Fate, are you 100% on there actually being an SK in the game?

YES FOR THE LAST GODFUCKING DAMN TIME

[Calcifer]

And I was also thinking calc, vif and mollie lurked WITH RBD during his 2nd fakeclaim because they were genuinely upset about something UT did or didn't do, as RBD said, and they either lost the will to play or were lurking to rebel or just didn't know what to posts with whatever mod error may have been present.

Or the classic tell of not taking a stance when your buddy is under fire.

i have been writing papers lately and trying not to play school, and i am the hydra head that took point this round.

[Calcifer]

Like I said, she wasn't very active throughout that day anyway, even before PereV exploded she wasn't posting much, probably cuz she was fed up with me, idk

can we all talk how fucking town this is
for one moment
come on

[Calcifer]

Vote: Timeater

Our inventions do not have names. The inventions were track, rolecop, and watch. We gave the watch to CES on Night 1, and the rolecop to Kawaii N2. I was talking about how amazing my plan was so I could draw scum interference while CES watched me. I didn't think they would have something to kill him during the day.

Kise, is Katsuki around?
because if you guys are town, i want to say:

that reads more like a JOAT than an inventor. inventors get more leeway

you only had the ability to provide 2 inventions cos of time duration

so why are you offering up a third

i don't think our inventors are the same thing as yours
and we got vanillaized last night, meaning we lost everything

[Calcifer]

I love how they are all defending each other while pseudopushing and dumbpushing on the most townie players in the game while simultaneously ignoring the serious points levied against them

lul

the most townie players in the game
like the claimed masons

i just find it endlessly amusing that anyone would attempt to push on me especially after yesterday where rainbow basically confirmed me as town through all his blatant wifom

calcifer knows this so he tries to play it off like im SK or something which is equally amusing

confirmed town, like the claimed masons

[Calcifer]

I love how they are all defending each other while pseudopushing and dumbpushing on the most townie players in the game while simultaneously ignoring the serious points levied against them

lul

the most townie players in the game
like the claimed masons

i just find it endlessly amusing that anyone would attempt to push on me especially after yesterday where rainbow basically confirmed me as town through all his blatant wifom

calcifer knows this so he tries to play it off like im SK or something which is equally amusing

confirmed town, like the claimed masons

[Calcifer]

let's see
mafia suicide bomber
mafia rolecop
mafia vanillaizer
mafia one-shot neighborizer