Adventure Time (Game over!)

[Zdenek]

/confirming

[Zdenek]

VOTE: Fate

He confirmed via PM , town doesn't do that unless they have to. Lynch him dudes

Why do you think it was PM when if he's scum could have used his QT?

Vote: Vifam

[Zdenek]

hi guys!

VOTE: calcifer

until at least one of them starts signing their posts

this is not an rvs vote btw I am being serious I want to know who I am talking to

Hey Mastin, is Pirate Mollie scum or town for this?

[Zdenek]

sole policy lynch

Poor fishy

[Zdenek]

Human Destroyer's attack on BV is a bit crazy. Especially the chainsaw defending accusation - that's reaching at it's finest.

Vifam pushing null stuff is annoying, and his trying to paint bv as scum since he doesn't "think town forgets that they didn't confirm via PM" is bad.

I like Calcifer's observation about Seanald.

Vote: Seanald

[Zdenek]

Vifam, you ever apologized for being a dick before?

[Zdenek]

More in a second, but since I see him at the bottom, PV why are you voting Fate?

[Zdenek]

Do you think that scum or town is more likely to forget about a game?
Why do you think that he's intentionally failing to post?

[Zdenek]

Personally, I think that town is more likely to forget about a game than scum.

[Zdenek]

So let's see,

I know it's WIFOMy, but odds are on town forgetting about the thread over scum, so until they post, I'm going to ignore Fate and Tajo. The fact that UT didn't send Zoidberg a PM makes him less likely to be scum. Also, I believe the mason claim.

I have nondescript, gut town reads on Rainbowdash, Calcifer, Timeater, Kawaii and Human Destroyer. Although, I don't really find some of these surprising given the players behind them.

Reviewing the rest, I'm okay with bv310. I'm iffy on YYR, I can at understand the points raised both for and against him.

Of the remainder, JacobSavage and Seanald would be my favorite lynches.

[Zdenek]

The fact that UT didn't send Zoidberg a PM makes him less likely to be scum.

why

I'd actually prefer to not discuss this. I don't think that it's a really strong point, but only enough for now. If you don't see why it could be true, that's okay with me.

[Zdenek]

I think that HD's reactions and explanations in the whole character - role business of the past few pages vaguely make sense. There's an issue with them not being the most logical of reactions, so I don't think that Calcifer is inventing a reason to be suspicious of HD, but I can see where HD's coming from well enough that his reactions don't bother me.

On the other hand, I really dislike both his pushes on Calcifer and bv for chainsaw defending people. The tell is bad to begin with and it says so right on the wiki-page, which is where I am assuming that the got it, so the fact that he's using it at all says to me that he's not really scum hunting, but is just flailing for people to accuse of something.

HD:

Where did you get the chainsaw defense scum-tell from, where have you seen it work?

Timeater guessing that HD was going to claim VT was ridiculous. There was pretty much no chance of that as soon as HD said that his role didn't match his character because vanilla goes with anything. Can't see what Tim was trying to accomplish with that move if he's town.

[Zdenek]

HD: Where did you get the chainsaw defense scum-tell from, where have you seen it work?

I knew about chainsaw defenses before I came to the site, didn't know that they weren't usually true though.

I did not get it from the wiki page though.

So where've you've seen it work?

[Zdenek]

Zdenek, if we were having it my way everyone would just massclaim.

and what, your second choice is to push for soft-claims?

[Zdenek]

Ok, but what about this Human Destroyer business?

[Zdenek]

HD, I'm still wondering if you've ever seen the chainsaw defense tell work because you're pushing it pretty hard in this game, and I'm pretty sure it's bullshit.

Seanald, could you try to explain why you are so sure of YYR being scum?

Can we lynch PV for 181?

He was asked some questions and answered. I don't really expect people to necessary have solid things to say that early and in that situation. That said, he could easily be scum here, but I pretty much always read him that way early in games.

All you people pushing the "zabscum" line need to stop. The dude has posted 3 times, no valid conclusions can be drawn from his play. He's barely said anything. Feels weird to single him out when there are others like him e.g Jacobsavage.

Lynching both of them would probably be a positive thing.

I dislike Post 441 from Kawaii. They claim that scum are sitting on BS wagons that they know aren't going to get flipped and focus on the PV one, which at the time was a 2 man wagon, and there were a bunch of those just then. It seems like they were taking the opportunity to throw mud on RainbowDash and attack YYR, who's been under suspicion already.

[Zdenek]

No Fate.

What was so wrong with 378?

[Zdenek]

Vote: Human Destroyer

Here's the thing. It was RVS. Vifam voted Fate, and bv voted Vifam. There was no way that bv could have had a read on Fate at that point. People were just voting for arbitrary reasons. Pushing bv as scum for voting vifam is stupid, saying that you'd have felt better about it if bv had a read on Fate is you trying to justify pushing this garbage for pages.

[Zdenek]

So, what do you think of Tim's vote?

[Zdenek]

...and then I also said I didn't like his lack of reaction to the quick wagon on him? Please read more, it'll help you.

You're not getting with changing the subject. You said that you'd have felt better about BV if he had a read on Fate. That makes no sense at all considering where we were in the game.

I'll move to Kawaii if they aren't at L-1 yet.

UT VC harder please

VC on the previous page, Kawaii's no where near L-1.

Oh yes, it takes

so

much effort to post a vote before going to catch up in other games

That timing was opportunistic as fuck and you know it

This sort of this is BS and we should be lynching HD for it.

His opportunism is so obvious how do you not see it

He was what 3rd, 4th on a wagon when he voted, I don't really see that as scummy opportunism.

vote: zabriel

You just said that you didn't find him all that scummy, and now this. Why?

[Zdenek]

"I'm going to vote right after Zdenek and hopefully everyone will get on Zdenek's case for it and not me!" ~zabriel's brain

I have never had that thought process as town or as scum.

Why do you think that hypothetical scum Zab would make a vote on a wagon that he thinks is going to be criticized and guess that the heat is going to fall on the person who voted before him?

[Zdenek]

So why are you so sure that Kawaii is scum?

[Zdenek]

Unvote

Okay, you're probably town.

[Zdenek]

Well since Fate is lying in 418 lynching him would probably be fine. I still have no idea what he finds so abhorrent about 378.

Rereading the Calcifer - HD interactions around the the role - character business without just writing off HD as scum make Calcifer look bad.

the interaction between Human Destroyer and Timeater was terrible; Timeater voting HD created a legitimately frustrated response that didn't happen when we voted him on a scumslip; this doesn't make sense unless HD saw his experienced scumpartner bussing him and he wanted to get some distancing done before he goes down. I'd bet good money both of them flip scum.

This is really reaching for a reason to call HD scum. HD votes Calcifer for being lying scum when they first attack him over his character not matching his role, and then votes Timeater for voting him while calling him town, and both of these reactions make sense in circumstances. What doesn't make sense is Calcifer calling HD confirmed scum because of his role not matching his name and being willing to lynch anyone else.

i can see him outing as PGO as scum, easily
the additional passive abilities would probably be made to play up for the power of the claim in order to excuse his crazy hyperdefensive play afterwards, which will pretty effectively prevent a lot of the less confident players from making a strong push on him, meaning that he has to keep the fights between confident players/him loud and confusing and not allow any confident players to get enough towncred to lynch him, which isn't the hardest thing to do.

How are you seeing this in his play and how do you think this strategy would effect his voting habits?

his reactions don't really seem like scum caught in the spotlight, plus the people waggoning him don't look to hot (Kawaii, Zab)

and i see the scummy people wagonning him, but I find the zabiano domingo rodriguez immediate jump on the wagon after kawaii moved off as some sketchy shit.

I have a hard time seeing hypothetical-scum-Zab as caring about this at all. I'm not even sure why you think this links them closely at all.

I don't understand Peregrine's vote on Rainbow at all.

[Zdenek]

Vote: Fate

[Zdenek]

Here reading. Don't Prod.

[Zdenek]

I want Fate dead because he's given very few reasons for any of his thoughts and he is trying to push things through on the strength of his personality. When he does give the reasons behind his thoughts, they are usually vague or shitty.

I'm having a hard time attributing the same motivations to Zabriel's posting as Nacho does. I'll explain if I have to, but I'd prefer it if Zab responded himself. I don't put a heck of a lot of stock in most of their case. I mean there's a reasonable case to be made on Zab, but the one that they've given is over the top.

[Zdenek]

Calcifer, what's a town game of Fate's where you think he's pushing wagons for vague or shitty reasons?

[Zdenek]

Fate, have you read the thread?

[Zdenek]

Here's the thing Fate, in the game that Nacho gave, when you didn't give reasons for why you were attacking someone, it was pretty clear what the problems were. The only thing that was unexplained was your suspicion of Hoopla, but that seemed to be more to do with her burning you in a past game than anything to do with that one. Your suspicions were generally well organized, but you were distracted from them by other things that caught your attention, which pretty much makes perfect sense. I only read up to your fight with AGM, so I don't know what happened after.

In this game, you are aren't reading, as you've just said, and it's making it hard to read you as playing the same way as in that game. For instance, had you been reading, after the last page, I have no idea how you could still be voting Zabriel.

[Zdenek]

Lynching Peregrine makes me nervous, since he always plays like this, but I'd do it because it's tough to ever get a decent read on him.

I'd be willing to join the JS wagon.

Tajo should probably explain why he thinks Zab is scum, since Zab is pretty obv. town after his oh that's a different game where I claimed business.

[Zdenek]

why not the zoid wagon, zden, I need to hear a halfway decent reason for that

like you are not even even CONSIDERING IT

I think that if Zoidberg was group scum the error of him not receiving his role pm would have been caught before the game started by his teammates. That doesn't rule out other possibilties, but I don't care about those now. Aside from that, I also don't see his play as scummy.

[Zdenek]

Who said anything about him not getting his role

the mod

[Zdenek]

I know Mastin likes town more than scum, so his lack of activity in this game is suspicious.

I'm inclined to think that we should l let Fate live and see what happens.

Although, I'd love it if he could explain why he is voting Zoidberg.

Unvote

[Zdenek]

Vote: bv310

There's nothing solid, but I think this is a good lynch compared to the other possibilities that have been floated around. There's certainly nothing in his ISO that makes me think that he's town - which is different from the other possibilities.

[Zdenek]

I think the role pm business means he probably not group scum.

I really don't understand why you think he is scum at all.

[Zdenek]

He FoS'ed a bunch of people then did absolutely zero scumhunting among them, instead opting to push the popular wagon

Considering the number of posts in between, I'm not sure why you find this so scummy.

[Zdenek]

Why does number of posts matter?

If you mean he might have lost his FoSes by then...don't you think, as town, he'd go hunting for new people to place suspicion on rather than just joining the major wagon in that case?

You're really fucking obnoxious. Look the point is that Zoidberg showed up in the game and guessed that there'd be scum on an early wagon, and picked Tim over the others. Then he questioned Fate about his reads for a while and later voted Fate. There is nothing inherently scummy about voting for a major wagon.

Mod: could you replace or at least prod bv310

Anyway, this is probably a positive vote:

Vote: PeregrineV

[Zdenek]

How can I vote for someone who wants to lynch Fate? I just can't do it.

Unvote

Vote: bv310

Here is why he is a good lynch.

Overreaction in 49. It's awkward, and indicative of scum trying to get into the game early.
Fluff.
Little scum hunting.
Vote on Kawaii for sticking out - how that is scummy, I'll never know.
Inactive.

[Zdenek]

Notice that bv310 has visited the site recently, but hasn't posted here.

Vote bv310 and the game will be awesome.

Fate's become a mediocre lynch because he can either suicide on Timeater tonight or tell us that he's the SK tomorrow, both possibilites are awesome.

[Zdenek]

I'll finish catching up tomorrow. Better than 50% chance I'll have something good.

Let me just give you a bit of algebra as promised: if R is a ring such that x^n=x for all x in R for some n, then R is commutative.

You're so cute.

[Zdenek]

I think probably CES should tell us whether his ring has a maximal ideal or not.

[Zdenek]

Actaully I no. He can do whatever wants. I wish algebra was funny, but I've got nothing right now. I keep wanting to write about group actions or how he should shut up and go prove every theorem in a textbook on homological algebra, but no will benefit from that. Just so long as he nver mentions Ext I'll be happy.

[Zdenek]

Can't we just lynch CES? I mean, if we let him live he's just going to throw more confusing shit as us, and since he's already throwing torsion at us, God only knows what other compact garbage he's got up his sleeve.

[Zdenek]

Huh, CES's problem is actually interesting. At least I haven't been able to solve it yet :p. That's all I'll have to say about math in this game. My apologies.

[Zdenek]

I have no idea.

[Zdenek]

I think as either alignment I can usually explain myself. I think as scum I tend to aim to have stronger (more "fact" baed than gut based) arguments than I do as town, but whether I'm successful in that is questionable.

[Zdenek]

But I certainly do use fact based arguments when I am town, and prefer them to gut arguments, but sometimes they aren't available or particularly convincing.

[Zdenek]

CES, why Jacob Savage?

[Zdenek]

Lurkerscum + easy compromise with deadline coming up.

Do you think that Calcifer is town?

[Zdenek]

What did you think of their case on Zabriel?
What do you think of the fact that Mastin has been (at least it seems to me) mostly absent from the game?

[Zdenek]

It was a fairly decent case as cases go. The point about excuses seemed plausible in isolation + zab has generally looked like scum.

I think of Mastin more as a force of nature than as something that could strategically not post so I'm mostly just happy about his absence.

I think that their case on Zab attributed motivations to him that I don't think that he's capable of. It was an over-the-top attempt to get him lynched. I think that it is highly unlikely that hypothetical-scum-Zab makes the oops-that-was-another-game-where-I-claimed post. I think that as scum he probably doesn't experience that sort of confusion between games. Having played with Mastin several times, I know that he looks for reasons to believe that people are town and fights against their lynches. After Zab made that post, and Mastin showed up in the thread calling him null, I have a very hard time seeing him as town.

[Zdenek]

Were you talking more generally than #842? Because I don't see how it does that first thing. I agree re: the game mix-up but his play prior to that definitely looked the part. Did Mastin actually post?

1263 was Mastin.

As for that case:
-The point Zab stretching to vote Vifam was weak; the confirmation business was nonsense, and for an early vote, voting him over that's not crazy, and the idea that as scum Zab would have been hunting for a reason to get onto a five person wagon is hard to believe.
- unvoting a mason claim makes sense; there's not much that has to be said.
- thinking that people are scum because of the cases that they are pushing is reasonable, the comment about him attacking math doesn't make any sense (I don't think that is what was happening anyway, it seems more like it was about Zab not believing that HD could have changed his mind after doing his homework).

I don't think that the whole case was bad, it's just that some of these points are hard to believe. If he'd just commented about his lurking and opportunistic voting, I'd be fine with it. The business with the excuses was reasonable too.

[Zdenek]

Gay Mafia ended, so now Nacho can explain why he thinks Fate is town, and we can openly discuss the Fate-Nuwen hydra as scum lurking at the start of the game there and Fate's post in this one saying that he didn't believe that Katsuki could ever think that he'd use lurking at the start of the game as scum strategy.

[Zdenek]

Well, if all these soft-claims aren't BS, then it means that RainbowDash, Fate and CES are all probably town.

Unvote

Hey,

HD,

what happened to soft-claiming anything is suspicious to you?

[Zdenek]

Let's get this show on the road.

Vote: Calcifer

[Zdenek]

Woo Hoo!

Unvote
Vote: Fate

[Zdenek]

Well, I guess I am fine with believing CES for the time being, so

Unvote

We should lynch this scum

Vote: Calcifer

As for the mass-claim, I'm mostly fine with it because I'd like to know what the fuck is going on, but I really have no idea how much it will help the town, and chances are that waiting is better.

[Zdenek]

I just ISO'd myself, and I'm incredibly obv-town.
So Fate's not playing mafia.
CES better not be fucking with us.

[Zdenek]

I can't help it if you don't read or remember what you read.

[Zdenek]

That was to Kise.

[Zdenek]

CES saying Fate is town.

[Zdenek]

Zdenek?
what is your reasoning and why am I having to ask for it?

For now ISO me.

[Zdenek]

What's weird is Fate's bullshit.

I'm Tree Trunks, VT.

[Zdenek]

Timeater, claim.

[Zdenek]

I'm going to ask that you unvote right now.

[Zdenek]

We are in the middle of a mass-claim. I don't want there to be a hammer until there's been a chance for discussion. I've been in a situation where someone has refused to claim, and I'm not sure that auto-lynching them is the correct move.

[Zdenek]

I've never been, sorry

[Zdenek]

He had no reason to want to postpone claiming.

Vote: Timeater

[Zdenek]

You're wrong.

[Zdenek]

yeah, yeah.
i was just figuring out if i should claim specifics about things. i'm not.
princess bubblegum, inventor.

lmao @ all this posturing

Paraphrasing a role PM takes seconds, fabricating a good fakeclaim takes an eternity.

Unvote

I think we should finish the mass claim.

[Zdenek]

Calcifer, why do you think Tim is group scum and not SK?

[Zdenek]

I think that Calcifer is scum here. The cognitive dissonance between them refusing to full claim and then immediately thinking that Timeater is scum for want to claim later is striking. They would have just just been thinking about possible benefits to not claiming early.

[Zdenek]

Why?

[Zdenek]

unlikely VT claim

why is this?

[Zdenek]

I get his claiming alignment fatigue but if he has only been recent scum in like 2 games then no, I am not sure that is what is going on. try 8 or 9. or like my friend praying who had like 12 or 13.

different pace, quicker fatigue
when i played less games at once, it'd only take like 3 before i went fucking crazy

I am the ice king and vifam is gunter. since we are already outed it does not matter if we reveal this info. who else do we have. so far I have hd, tim and fate claiming prs, I think one of them character claimed but I forget who. I think there may have been others. so of those, can we get character names so that we can somehow get some organisation in here? that would be nice.

i think we should massclaim.
what do you think?

i'm also leaning heavily towards massclaiming
i think we could break this game if Tim is telling the truth

yeah, yeah.
i was just figuring out if i should claim specifics about things. i'm not.
princess bubblegum, inventor.

Nacho was V/LA during the night, so it was me who sent our invention in.
We had a plan on how to test Timeater's claim via our inventions, the exact details of which would rely on us outting what those inventions are. (Something Nacho ultimately decided against doing, so I'll trust his judgment on that.) Said plan was adapted around the masons, though I forget the exact details. (Think it relied on whether one of you would die or not.)

Nacho never gave an alternative plan, so I sent our invention in to the player we had originally planned to send it to.

Increasingly happy with lynching Calcifer.

[Zdenek]

So explain why you wanted a mass-claim, when you had no intention of claiming, and why you've now outed that you had some sort of plan, but haven't told us what it was or what your inventions are.

[Zdenek]

Someone explain to me why Calc is scum

The incompatibility of the thoughts; "I have a secret plan to confirm a bunch of people and don't want to claim my abilities" and "let's mass claim." On top of that, telling everyone about the existence of the plan when pressured. Some other stuff too, ISO if you want, but I think that alone is good enough to warrant lynching them.

[Zdenek]

if our plan for its use worked, we could also confirm one, two, or maybe even three players as town/scum.

[Zdenek]

Eh, I'm null-scum on Zdenek. I don't like the way he parked his vote on Seanald, and then ignored him for 20 pages while attacking HD.

You are so full of shit.

[Zdenek]

I'm not sure if he's scum or just not paying attention.
I'm not quite sure what of Saanald's he thought I was ignoring.

[Zdenek]

zdenek now do you get why i scumread vifam

Well, yes, but conf. town often just do whatever they like and it can come off as scummy because it doesn't necessarily make any sense.

I still don't think that Zab is scum.

Nacho posted last night but he didn't explain his plan and why he wanted there to be a mass-claim. Rght now, there is nothing scummier in the thread than:
- We should mass claim
- I don't want to full claim
- I have a plan to confirm a bunch of people, that I am spoiling by speaking about it, but I wanted there to be a mass-claim which is exactly the situation where me being forced to reveal my plan could have occurred.

Vote: Calcifer

[Zdenek]

You voted Seanald on page 6 and then left your vote there until page 27. Meanwhile you mention Seanald only 2 or 3 times, asking him questions that you never follow up on.

I asked him one question about why he was so sure that YYR was scum in post 537.Seanald had been push YYR from 143 on. Seanald then moved his suspicion to Kawaii in 615, so I didn't really care anymore.

[Zdenek]

Timeater's buddying of me is getting weird, and his read on the masons makes little sense.

Calcifer's vote on me makes no sense. They had me as a town read and the only reason they've given to think that I am scum is dependent on Timeater being scum. They also vote me in a post where they explain why someone else should be scum, which is lolz.

i think Seanald needs to get in here and explain what self-redirector does. In paranoia mafia, it directed actions from a targeted player onto the player who with the role.

[Zdenek]

Also Calcifer thinking that scum-Timeater would buddy me, as his buddy, the way that he's been is silly. It practically confirms as not scum together.

[Zdenek]

RBD, Why can't Fate be an investigation immune SK?

[Zdenek]

you should vote calcifer because they'll flip scum.

[Zdenek]

Oh Vifam. Fuck you, you lunatic.

[Zdenek]

Vifam has decided to stop playing mafia.

[Zdenek]

Here's where i am at now:

Town:
zabriel - D1 claim fuck up
Cogito Ergo Sum - I know Untrod had a mafia Fruit Vendor in Author Mafia, but Mafia Governor is a bit much, plus if he was a mafia governor, why tell us.
Vifam - mason claim
pirate mollie - mason claim

Not voting today:
Fate - CES innocent plus his claim make him a bad lynch today.
Seanald

Probably town:
Kawaii - early vt claim/their play
YYR - helpful and proactive.
Timeater - claim makes him possibly scum, but I have rarely seen scum with such unpopular opinions. I have hard time thinking that he's playing for survival

Scum:
Calcifer - telling everyone about their plan to confirm people before it's done is an obi scum move.

populartajo - he's doing nothing but pushing wagons

I need to still deal with:
PeregrineV
Zoidberg
Rainbowdash

[Zdenek]

Vifam has decided to stop playing mafia.

what does this mean

also explain your recent posts directed towards vifam they are as if something else is going on between you two besides this game

Vifam is pushing my lynch for literally no reason and because of what i guess is apathy and the fact that he's a mason, (so people will follow him blindly if they are town and scum will just hide behind him) means that it will probably go through, and that irritates me.

[Zdenek]

So your arugement is now that Fate is a GF that investigates as "town lich cop"?

Where are you getting this idea from?

[Zdenek]

If we don't lynch Calcifer it will be a travesty of Mafia.

TOWN DOES NOT SAY: HEY I'VE GOT A PLAN TO CLEAR A BUNCH OF PEOPLE.
THEREBY, RUINING THE CHANCES OF THE PLAN WORKING.
SCUM DOES THAT TO GET TOWN-CRED FOR COMING UP WITH PLANS.

That's all.

[Zdenek]

If we don't lynch Calcifer it will be a travesty of Mafia.

TOWN DOES NOT SAY: HEY I'VE GOT A PLAN TO CLEAR A BUNCH OF PEOPLE.
THEREBY, RUINING THE CHANCES OF THE PLAN WORKING.
SCUM DOES THAT TO GET TOWN-CRED FOR COMING UP WITH PLANS.

That's all.

You're assuming the chances of the plan working are ruined. They are not.
Do you have any other reasons?

Unless you're planning to claim bulletproof, unblockable, unredirectable, un-whateverable, inventor, I don't see how you could think this. Yes, there are other reasons, but who cares about them because this one is sweet, and I since your voting me for no reason at all, I see no reason to give you any.

[Zdenek]

We should probably be lynching Calcifer, now also for pushing the JabobSavage wagon over the PeregrineV wagon.

[Zdenek]

RBD, where are your brad crumbs, what were they for?

[Zdenek]

I totally buy that your not allowed to answer that.

[Zdenek]

Don't buy, that is

[Zdenek]

RBD is completely fos.

[Zdenek]

These are literally the only posts zabriel has made all game that even approach what could be considered scum hunting.

Spoiler: lol

UNVOTE:

Tim's insistence that PV is obvscum right before PV blow the fuck up is making me think that this is probably not as great a lynch as I thought.

I'm too tired for actual thoughts right now, but I'm gonna sheep the Zdnek wagon.

VOTE: Zdnek

I can't even. What? That's a dumb post restriction. It doesn't even make sense.

VOTE: RBD

VOTE: zabriel

I still think that it's just too unlikely that scum-Zab gets confused about whether he's claimed or not.

[Zdenek]

FUCK YOU, KAWAII, WE'VE BEEN VANILLIZED.

By which, we mean:

We sent an invention to Kawaii.

Something this night phase caused us to lose all of our abilities permanently, i.e., we've been vanillized by something.

Btw, this supports Timeater-scum, via them fearing our plan. Since presumably, it was a scum power which vanillized us and not the fact that we targeted Kawaii.

VOTE: Timeater.

Loo loo loo

Vote: Calcifer

[Zdenek]

Uberninja,

RBD, I already claimed.

+

Wait. That was a different game. I think.

=Zab Town

[Zdenek]

Nacho was V/LA during the night, so it was me who sent our invention in.
We had a plan on how to test Timeater's claim via our inventions, the exact details of which would rely on us outting what those inventions are. (Something Nacho ultimately decided against doing, so I'll trust his judgment on that.) Said plan was adapted around the masons, though I forget the exact details. (Think it relied on whether one of you would die or not.)

Nacho never gave an alternative plan, so I sent our invention in to the player we had originally planned to send it to.

Our invention was not sent to Timeater. We had a plan for confirming Timeater, one which would take effect either N2 or N3 depending on the order we sent our inventions in. The ultimate goal was to kill two scum with one stone, so to speak. That's as much as I'll say on the matter. (As it is, Nacho will probably shout at me for this much. )

As for scum not NK'ing the masons...you answered your own question.
If the masons are playing horribly (hint: suspecting us is playing horribly), the scum have no incentive to kill the conftown players.

Increasingly happy with lynching Calcifer.

Well, that's 'cause you're either not thinking straight or are scum.

Our role is confirmable. And if our plan for its use worked, we could also confirm one, two, or maybe even three players as town/scum.

It aint gamebreakingly powerful, but it's certainly not something you'd want to lynch if town.

Calcifer is scum for claiming that they had a plan to clear a bunch of people in a theme game. If it was real, they'd have kept their mouths shut, so it's a fake attempt to appear pro-town.

There's the possibility that the claimed masons are scum, but I don't know.

[Zdenek]

Timeater is very likely town considering RBD's attack on him yesterday.

[Zdenek]

Action resolution:

Copy
Hide
Bus
Block
Redirect
Protect
Miscellaneous
Kill
Doctor
Recruit
Inspect

Vanilliazer and inventor puts too much stuff in the miscellaneous column.

[Zdenek]

Ummm, why is Calcifer not dead yet.

This game was reviewed by a bunch of people. You think none of them ever asked, which take precedence in NAR vanillaizer or inventor? 'cause I don't.

[Zdenek]

Night action resolution.
It's the order in which the actions at night occur.

[Zdenek]

Zdenek can you elaborate on your thought process

You think inventory should come before vanializer?

You think its a given?

No.

What I think is that if both inventor and vanillazer were in the game, the reviewers would have considered the question, "what happens if the vanillaizer targets the inventor?" So the NAR would tell us which takes precedence. It doesn't, since both fall under "miscellaneous." So it's an unaccounted for possibility. Thus, I don't believe that both are in the game.

[Zdenek]

Ummm, why is Calcifer not dead yet.

This game was reviewed by a bunch of people. You think none of them ever asked, which take precedence in NAR vanillaizer or inventor? 'cause I don't.

and then the next logical step was for UT to post his NAR as "Vanillaizer, Inventor"
because that wouldn't give away roles in the game or anything

It's a pretty simple issue to deal with, just make the list even longer.

[Zdenek]

Ummm, why is Calcifer not dead yet.

This game was reviewed by a bunch of people. You think none of them ever asked, which take precedence in NAR vanillaizer or inventor? 'cause I don't.

and then the next logical step was for UT to post his NAR as "Vanillaizer, Inventor"
because that wouldn't give away roles in the game or anything

It's a pretty simple issue to deal with, just make the list even longer.

also what is the difference between "protect" and "doctor"

I suspect it's that a bodyguard protects the target before it's shot and the doctor saves the target after it's been shot.

Why are you asking me stupid questions?

[Zdenek]

I didn't make the list.

[Zdenek]

All this is, is Calcifer trying to muddy the waters.

[Zdenek]

No. I didn't make the list, the mod did. I don't know why he chose to separate potect and doctor.

[Zdenek]

Does anyone have an opinion about why RBD changed his claim?

He could have happily stuck with his deputy claim and probably not been lynched by just claiming that he must be a backup to the Lich cop, but he basically guaranteed his lynch when he changed his claim. His decision to do this really confuses me.

As for the goings on, Calcifer is still scum, Vifam saying that he trusted Fate is LOLZY.

[Zdenek]

I'd rather just skip the bullshit and get straight to lynching scum

We won't be able to lynch Zdenek today without Fate and CES. You know this.
Lynch Timeater today so scum won't be able to hide behind the bullshit curtain anymore. Then we will get Zdenek, and then the game will probably be over.

Oh Ho!
Throw the NK's at me.

Eat rope.

[Zdenek]

He could have happily stuck with his deputy claim and probably not been lynched by just claiming that he must be a backup to the Lich cop, but he basically guaranteed his lynch when he changed his claim. His decision to do this really confuses me.

Especially after having PeregrineV suicide and they are already down a member? Almost seems like he was setting up for the neighborizer claim implicating Timeater. But why...?

I'm not quite sure what you mean by that.

[Zdenek]

to lend credence to the bussing tim scenario ("no way in hell that could've happened" bit that's been set up today).

This is the one that I could see, but what's the deal the neighborizer flip implicating Tim?

[Zdenek]

Then ill probably just give up

You'd be better off if you just gave up now.

[Zdenek]

@Nacho head - There are ways to get around Tim doing his whole PGO-type claim that I think can work to our advantage. Damage control if he is town and just isolation if he is scum I think is better for the time being, he has already locked himself into a position that he cant really weasle out of as scum. Luker-scummy players are probably the way to go right here. Also as much as I dislike Tim, 365 isnt scummy really as I was logging a thought like that but was trying to figure out how to be a little more coy in apporaching it. Its easier to trap scum if you dont have flashing lights pointing out the trap.

"Isolation if he's scum"

More like, lynch him if he's scum.

[Zdenek]

@Nacho head - There are ways to get around Tim doing his whole PGO-type claim that I think can work to our advantage. Damage control if he is town and just isolation if he is scum I think is better for the time being, he has already locked himself into a position that he cant really weasle out of as scum. Luker-scummy players are probably the way to go right here. Also as much as I dislike Tim, 365 isnt scummy really as I was logging a thought like that but was trying to figure out how to be a little more coy in apporaching it. Its easier to trap scum if you dont have flashing lights pointing out the trap.

"Isolation if he's scum"

More like, lynch him if he's scum.

[Zdenek]

One thing that makes little sense is that they'd use the kamikaze against CES when they could have used it to get rid of Timeater.

[Zdenek]

I think Calcifer is scum and all the reasons that I have to think that Tim is scum are really wifommy.

[Zdenek]

okay so ces was pushing a zden lynch around the time that I thought zden looked scummy. I think. I know there was one post that that with both had the same reaction to

uber goober's "I just read this thread and I have no fucking idea what is going on and probably need to sub out" looks genuine and town as fuck. calcifer's reaction to that looked townish and nacho sounds exasperated, which I am too. uber goober has a nacho town read which is dispelling some of my earlier paranoia.

we are not lynching vifam, no way, no how.

UNVOTE: calcifer

vifam, uber and calcifer, can we agree on either zden or seanald?

You unvoting Calcifer and now being willing to vote me who wants to lynch Calcifer or Seanald, who Calcifer is suspicious of is fucking awkward.

[Zdenek]

You're probably bussing him

I thought you thought I am town. :weeping bemusedly:

Anyway, Calcifer is scum. Lynch him.

[Zdenek]

Just lynch Calcifer tomorrow. 'K.
Cause there's nothing scummier in this game then them trying to fake the "we've got a plan" scum tell, by telling the scum about their plan.

[Zdenek]

We've got a plan town-tell, sorry.

[Zdenek]

Ok. Zden why didn't you vote RBD yesterday?

In case anyone had something to say before he got lynched.

I think either me or Calcifer should be lynched today. That would be most productive. Worst case is I flip town and then hopefully people will realize that Calcifer needs lynching.

[Zdenek]

The only other people I could see myself voting for today are Seanald and Uberninja.

[Zdenek]

Why?

[Zdenek]

Sweet fucking Christ.

[Zdenek]

Oh and everybody is town but Calcifer, so happy days

Vote: Calcifer

[Zdenek]

Sean, if it's not the game, clear someone tonight.

[Zdenek]

Zdenek is drunk, he thinks that Seanald needs to claim who he targetted last night.
He's also not voting the masons.
That's where I'm at.

[Zdenek]

Those aren't claims.

[Zdenek]

Sean, why did you not claim that you redirected Calcifer earlier?

I also don't understand why Sean wouldn't use his redirect since that has the chance of actually clearing someone.

In NAR, vanillize would resolve before invention giving (since it interfers with that action) so I think that there is a good chance that Seanald is lying here.

[Zdenek]

We need to do this today.

Vote: Vifam

[Zdenek]

Who's scum?

[Zdenek]

I actually agree with that.
Let's quick lynch him.

Vote: YYR

[Zdenek]

I'm actually shocked that Calc. didn't flip scum.

[Zdenek]

No one hammer until Seanald tells us who he is targetting tonight.

[Zdenek]

Although, I guess it's more helpful if he clears someone, and scum will just kill him whether he's wrong or right.

Eh.

Hammer away.

[Zdenek]

Sean, if there's one scum left, and you target someone, and you don't end up dead, it means that your target didn't do the NK.

[Zdenek]

Wooo Hooo

[Zdenek]

Sorry Calcifer.

[Zdenek]

Thanks Untrod. That game was a blast.

[Zdenek]

What's the reasoning behind the timing of the resolution of vanillize in NAR?

[Zdenek]

or nullify or whatever it was.

[Zdenek]

but why after giving an invention?

[Zdenek]

In NAR shouldn't vanillize resolve first because of the principle that actions that modify other actions resolve first. After looking into it, that list really seemed like it's there (on the wiki page) to give an ordering for the resolution of actions that aren't covered by that principle.