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What? I'm in this game? I haven't even received a role PM!
Well, if Thok gets me my PM, I'll try to catch up on this game in the afternoon.ShowFinished: 159 (120 Town, 33 Mafia, 5 Other, 1 Cult, 4 Cultivated)
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Well, I have my role PM now and I'll try to catch up as soon as I'm not covered under a large pile of homework.
*goes back to work*ShowFinished: 159 (120 Town, 33 Mafia, 5 Other, 1 Cult, 4 Cultivated)
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Glork, do you have any assignments for me while I reread the thread?ShowFinished: 159 (120 Town, 33 Mafia, 5 Other, 1 Cult, 4 Cultivated)
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Okay. I'm starting my reading right now.Glork wrote:Not really. I'd actually prefer if you just read over everything and give your overall opinions on whatever comes to mind.
If you could jot down some things in Notepad as you read and make a "stream-of-consciousness post" with most/all of your thoughts as you go, I think that'd be great.ShowFinished: 159 (120 Town, 33 Mafia, 5 Other, 1 Cult, 4 Cultivated)
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Doing my reread, I've amassed 6 pages of Word document so far (though 4 pages of that are quotes), and I'm at page 8 in thread.ShowFinished: 159 (120 Town, 33 Mafia, 5 Other, 1 Cult, 4 Cultivated)
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I'm at Page 19 right now, jumping out from my notes so far are Yosarian2 and Vaughn (now Der Hammer). I think they're quite scummy so far.
Have fun discussing this while I'm off. My reread will continue in the evening.ShowFinished: 159 (120 Town, 33 Mafia, 5 Other, 1 Cult, 4 Cultivated)
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I'll expand on it later, I'm just interested to see how people react to them and I'll expand on them later.ShowFinished: 159 (120 Town, 33 Mafia, 5 Other, 1 Cult, 4 Cultivated)
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I'd like to hear Glork's opinions on Yos and Der Hammer.ShowFinished: 159 (120 Town, 33 Mafia, 5 Other, 1 Cult, 4 Cultivated)
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Reread has been finished. I've amassed 9 pages of Word file with just notes on what has happened, so there'll be a big post coming up soon.ShowFinished: 159 (120 Town, 33 Mafia, 5 Other, 1 Cult, 4 Cultivated)
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Some posts that jumped out to me:
This voting seems odd.CrashTextDummie wrote:Restating my suspicions for the King's viewing pleasure:
Vote: PJ, for lynching Rosso on extremely short notice and without giving him any time to defend himself. PJ defended himself against this accusation, but not to my satisfaction. I find it suspicious that PJ of all people waited for the very last second of the deadline to compose his final List of Execution (and the first one to mention Rosso at all) even if real life matters claimed most of his free time. Given his status as a player and his position as king yesterday, I would have expected him to take extra care to play as good as possible, but he didn't. In fact, the way he played it out (waiting for the deadline to hit in order to execute a townie "under pressure") is what I imagine to be a very viable strategy for a scum king.
Vote: StallingChamp, for his one post of substance, which was unfortunately lost to the crash. In it, he complimented PJ on a good decision, while admitting a bit later that he has no idea why exactly Rosso was under so much scrutiny. Due to the circumstances, I can't prove that he really said that, but I suggest at least keeping an eye on him.
Vote: Twomz. He was one of the people most blatantly hopping on the birdwagon, but that's not his only crime. Asked by me if he actually had any reason to vote for me apart from Fritzler demanding it, he used an especially insulting logical fallacy on me: Burden of Proof. Again, this has been lost in the crash, but I'm sure King Glork remembers it, seeing as he was the first to call the fallacy.
Vote: ubertimmy, for extreme lurking.
I think that's it.
I'm glad I wasn't the only one who caught up on MBL.Glork wrote:
...that's pretty much how I feel.Mert wrote:I'm pretty sure I shouldVote: Twomz; Pookyas I had voted them during the whole nut-kicking bit.
To re-state my stance on it all, I don't think MBL was scummy for suggesting it (as some seemed to indicate) but I do think the people that popped up and seemed to say "whoo, a wagon I can jump on" are far more suspicious, especially Pooky who has been notable by his absence for a large part of the game.
To reiterate my stance: I don't know if I think Bird is scum or not (though I'm leaning towards thinking no, at this point). What I do think is that, regardless of Bird's alignment, his behavior and the manner in which the wagon sprouted up (people going "yeah, I like that theory! VOTE: BIRD!") is so chic for scum to jump on. Bus the buddy or go for the momentum-wagon. Pooky and Twomz exemplified this attitude the most, so they're on my list.
MBL is on my list for question-evasion and pseudo-defenses of his theory without explaining what he thought was actually going on. Even more alarming to me was the fact that he presented the theory, defended its plausability, and said he was hoveing around 60% sure that Bird was a "nut-kicked" scumbag, butnever actually put a vote on Bird.The siresns are so loud and ringing, I can hear them in my sleep. Even *NOW* after checking in, MBL votes for Timmy, Fritzler, and "everybody who is lurking" but still hasn't voiced his official support for a Birdlynch. DoesANYBODYelse see this as more-than-slightly-odd?
I'm going toVote: Pooky, Twomz, MBLand try to give the game a good re-read in the near future.
spectrumvoid wrote:On MBL and Glork: I'm not getting MBL's case on Glork at all. It's ridiculous to expect a vote to be as important as it is in an ordinary game. However, votes are still important because they confirm a person's stand on someone. Votes should also preferably come with some kind of explanation. Note the case on Phoebus early yesterday, where he voted without explaining. With that said, I don't think MBL is right to assume that Glork sees only votes. I don't think I have a long playing history with Glork, but from some of his other games, I read him as a pretty analytical player. Also, there's no evidence to prove MBL's accusation in this game. I also think MBL is wrong to not take note of discrepancies, it could be a scum slip.
On Pooky: Hm... I thought it was obvious exactly what game Pooky was talking about. This IS the game we're playing after all.
I think I'm the only one to have noticed this turnaround. I found it to be suspicious.spectrumvoid wrote:
I think you misrepresented Yos here. He saidGlork wrote:
You seemed awfully wishy-washy in this post. Saying that you thought he didn't look good, but couldn't commit to such an inkling (even rejecting your own feelings by saying "I'm not sure if it's a scumtell") feels very uncharacteristic of you.Yos2 wrote:Phobus: I really can't get a good read on him at the moment. His shameless bandwagoning dosn't look good, but I'm not sure if it's a scumtell at this point. More suspicious is his refusal to contribute in any real way, with helpful comments like "still nothing to add at this point".
A: he can't get a good read on ph on the bandwagoning issue, because he's not sure if his bandwagoning is a scumtell.
C: he thinks phoebus not contributing to this game is 'more suspicious'.
This explains pretty clearly what Yos thinks of Phoebus, and why. I don't see how this makes him wishy-washy. And there's nothing wrong with not having a 100% confirmed stand on someone. (I got this from the 'not commiting' point.) For example, just look at what some people, myself included, think of bird and MBL's accusation (was it MBL?), especially the uncertainty involvled.
Take note of my sig addition.
For the blatant misreprentation,vote: GlorkI know this is Kingmaker, but this makes it clear where I stand.
It was rather odd to get prodded when you thought you hadn't replaced, too.Pariah wrote:Rather odd to get prodded when you thought you were replaced.
Stupid crash.
AndKingGlork requested my presence? Pfft. I don't listen toPeasantGlork.
Anyway...I'll be talking to the mod about what he wants.
This post jumped out to me as having a townie vibe, but I wanted to add that I'm glad you seem to be enjoying yourself.LuckayLuck wrote:Cool place to jump in. Alright, a little background about me: I will be pretty active. I am new to this site, and I don't know many of you. I'm somewhat savvy with Mafia as a whole, and I've already picked up on which one of you are the more famous ones on this board. :p
I read through day1 AFTER reading up on who got lynched / who got killed, so my analysis had the benefit of knowing that the two townies who died were. I read through day1 VERY carefully, marked down my thoughts on who I thought was mafia/townie. Took me about 2 hours. Day2 I somewhat skimmed, because so far it's been mostly people who I believe to be pretty solid townies posting huge blocks of text and quotes and going at each other. The one thing that stuck out to me mostly on Day2 is the failure of mourning / analysis for poor Thok, who I think was really going on the right track.
Unfortunately, obviously I missed day2's post-crash discussion from what I discern to be about bird mainly. Some people seem to be under fire for attacking bird during this crash period, but I think that attacking bird is 100% justified. I strongly disagree with his analysis of some of the people in this post:
Post 535 That, combined with what everyone else has generally been mentioning post-crash...poor defense, etc, is leading me tovote bird1111.
Anyways, I'm an outsider coming in, it should be fun hearing my thoughts in full and maybe getting an unique perspective. Here goes!
I figure starting with the particular opinions of mine that differ from bird's posts is best:
- Mastermind of Sin: bird made a slight accusation against MoS. In my notes, and maybe I only see this because I read all of Day1 through in a row and paid special attention to Mastermind saying "You might want to take notes on my posts," Mastermind of Sin has been making some of the most insightful posts. Some of the meanings can be ambigious if you don't really catch the context, but if one pays attention, it's really quite deep...Mastermind of Sin seems like very very townie with a good head in this game.
- MrBuddyLee: bird, like many people, have mentioned that MrBuddyLee is "hard to read." I suppose that's so, this is my first game with him, my read is that he is a strong insightful player, I am leaning strongly townie.
- Nightson: I loved his entrance into the game so much. It was different than mainstream opinion, and very very correct. It struck my townie chord. Post 323
- Pablito: You are THE MAN. I love your style of play. It makes you easily targetted, and you WERE easily targetted, but I'm feeling heavy townie vibes. Very very very strong townie vibes. Someday in the future, those who were on Pablito trains...those who took the easy route...will be analyzed. Someday.
- petroleumjelly: I think you did really well as the king. I would not have chosen to execute Rosso Carne, however. (Easy of me to say since that's in the past, but I actually have "the honor" of having Rosso Carne as the inexperienced challenged guy in one of my newbie games ><). I think that your reign as king really was one of a townie.
More to follow about the other guys, and my feelings on peteroleumjelly's big analysis from post 516. I'll address what I agree with him on, and what I disagree with him on.
"Scum could be playing WIFOM games."MrBuddyLee wrote:While I think Thok is never a bad pick for scum to execute N1, I'll note that the longer Glork, PJ and Pooky are left around the closer they should be watched. Glork in particular is a prime N1 scum target. Particularly in a game where it'd make sense to off someone who'd make an excellent pro-town king.
Scum could be playing WIFOM games. They could lynch ubertimmy tomorrow to make us wonder why the good scumhunters aren't being lynched. But if I die tonight or soon, keep in mind that the longer the "good" players, the ones who'd make good kings, remain alive, the more closely they should be watched.
I like how the first paragraph is a WIFOM game, in my eyes.ShowFinished: 159 (120 Town, 33 Mafia, 5 Other, 1 Cult, 4 Cultivated)
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Unfortunately, a Player-by-Player analysis will have to wait till tomorrow, it's too late for me now.ShowFinished: 159 (120 Town, 33 Mafia, 5 Other, 1 Cult, 4 Cultivated)
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I had not yet read up to the point where other people were suspicious of Yos as well, so that's okay. I'm working on my notes to make them more easily browsable, and I'll post my full opinions after that (and after I respond to other Mafias).ShowFinished: 159 (120 Town, 33 Mafia, 5 Other, 1 Cult, 4 Cultivated)
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Opinion time!
Please note that all of the following opinions were made with help of my notes. If there is a factual error, please point it out.
bird111: He gave off a scumvibe in Post 88, which a lot of people jumped on. He posted suspicions against Glork, Pablito Day 1 and suspicions against Mert, Phoebus, Twomz, Pooky and Yos Day 2. People who found him suspicious were PJ, CTD, Mert, cbox and Thok Day 1 and Pablito, MBL, Phoebus, PJ and LL Day 2.
I think he's town currently.
cardb0ardb0x: I got a scummy vibe from Post 58, which again was jumped on by a lot of people. He posted suspicions against pablito, MBL, Rosso, Glork, bird, Phoebus and pablito Day 1 and suspicions against Riki, Fritz and PJ Day 2. People who found him suspicious were MBL, PJ, Twomz, SC, Rosso, spectrumvoid, LL, Mert and ubertimmy Day 1.
I think he's bad town currently, though I'm not really liking how he's been flying a bit under the radar lately (only 3 entries so far Day 2).
CrashTextDummie: Now it gets interesting. CTD started off with a good feeling towards cbox and a scummy feeling towards bird. Fritz went guano against him, after which Twomz vote him as well to satiate Fritz. He got town vibes from PJ, cbox and Glork and was suspicious of bird and ubertimmy. MBL had him on an execution list with Rosso and Twomz. Pablito was suspicious of him. Day 2 he voted PJ, SC, Twomz and timmy, which gave me a very scummy vibe (Post 557), especially since he had stated to have been getting town vibes from PJ earlier. Pablito later voted and unvoted him. He also agreed with MBL's theory linking PJ and pablito together.
I think he's quite scummy. Post 557 contained some votes that struck me as very scummy, and he has a minor link with MBL.
Dead Rikimaru: Not a lot on this guy. In fact, I can just put all my notes regarding him here:
Pablito votes MBL and says Dead Rikimaru may have planted suspicion regarding Pablito-Glork.
Thok unvotes pablito, bird, Dead Rikimaru and Nightson and votes MoS.
PJ executes Rosso. (this is put in every section of my notes to keep days apart)
Riki votes pablito.
Cbox doesn't like Riki's lurking, Fritz's playstyle and PJ's execution style.
This isn't useful at all. I want more entries here.
Der Hammer (rep. Vaughn): Again, someone with very little information on him. My first entry in the notes is that he attacked Thok for defending PJ. Thok was extremely suspicious of Vaughn and wanted him lynched badly. There are no entries Day 2. I don't have a lot of entries where Vaughn/Der Hammer actually attacks or defends anyone either.
Fritzler: I hate people who play like crap intentionally. But I'll admit that there are some interesting entries into my log here. He started off going guano against CTD and Twomz supported him. Thok had a vote on him for a while, and Glork stated him as being pro-town. Now, Day 2, we had votes on Fritz by MBL and SC. I can see people trying to defend CTD against Fritz. I'm leaning to town currently, but he really can be anything.
*King Glork*: I have over a page of notes on him. I've had a scum vibe from his Post 244 and a Town vibe from his interaction with Mert, Post 346 and before. He "attacked" PJ early on, which I didn't like, but he stopped when PJ asked him to.
Now, as for his opinions, here's an entry from Day 1:
Glork states:
-Fritzler pro-town.
-cbox pro-town.
-MBL scummy, but not scum.
-MoS is a moron.
-Thok doesn't sit well.
-Yos is pro-town.
-PJ is definitely pro-town.
-Rosso is scummy.
-Placeholder votes CTD.
He puts two townies as scummy/not sitting well. He has Yos as Town, and really seems to be suspicious of only MBL of people who are still alive. He stated he couldn't get a read on Vaughn. Day 2 I've been liking his posts somewhat more. I put an agree vibe on Post 566, in which he voted Twomz, Pooky and MBL. MBL attacked him, and tried to create links between him, pablito and PJ. Glork attacked Yos, who defended himself awkwardly against him. His LoE is Pooky, Pablito, MBL and Yos.
I'm usually quite good at reading Glork, but he's way out there this game. I've got conflicting vibes from him. I know he pulls crazy stuff like what he did early game as town as well as scum, so that's not very useful. What is currently decisive for my opinion on him are the people who are attacking him. I don't trust MBL at all.
LuckayLuck (rep. Ameliaslay): This is a conflicting one. Thok voted Amelia Day 1. Amelia proceeded to FoS cbox. Thok noted Glork's defense of Amelia (if Amelia is scum, this is definitely something to remember). Amelia voted Phoebus Post 242, which gave off a scum vibe to me. Amelia attacked Nightson later on, which made Thok suspicious. LL came in Day Two and immediately gave off a Town vibe in Post 688, even though I very much disliked how (s)he said MoS, MBL, Nightson, pablito and PJ are all town, and only put bird (and later timmy) as scum. (S)he also weakened off MBL's townieness later on. Personally, I can see hir (I need to know a gender) as both scum and town currently. If (s)he's scum, I will be looking at MBL (because (s)he stated him as very much town early on and then weakened it off when it turned out MBL was under suspicion) and Glork (see Thok interaction Day 1). (S)he's not a major suspect right now, though.
Mastermind of Sin: Was attacked by Twomz, Mert, Yos, Thok, MBL (minorly) and SC. Buddied up to Phoebus. Looking at who attacked him and the vibes he's been giving off, I think he's town, currently. But first, I want him to tell why he put Thok, ubertimmy and Yos on his execution list Day 1.
Mert: Voted bird and MoS early on. Yos defended him. He also made an attack on cbox, stating that PJ shouldn't think he's town just because he reminds him of a townie in the original Kingmaker. Glork noted MBL's linking of him to Mert. He voted Twomz and Pooky Day 2.
I'm definitely getting scum vibes from him. Bird, MoS and cbox I think are town, and I'm leaning to town on both Twomz and Pooky. Yos defended him, and MBL tried to link him to Glork (possibly to get Glork lynched after Mert's lynch). I also don't like the way he's playing this game. He seems to not really be contributing a lot.
MrBuddyLee: I actually have a Town vibe listed from Post 171, but that was really all. I don't like how he's playing. At all. He attacked pablito, timmy, SC, cbox and Glork early on, then said pablito, Phoebus and MoS were being awkward, then made a list of execution containing Rosso, Twomz and CTD. Day 2 he voted Fritz and timmy.
He's posted strange stuff all game. He stated pablito was suspicious for changing a vote to a FoS. He tried to link Mert to Glork. He brought up the nutty nuts-theory. He tried to link PJ, pablito and Glork. He stated that PJ/Pooky/Glork should've died, not Thok. I also noticed a lack of interaction between him and Yos, which could be construed as distancing. I definitely think he's scum right now.
Nightson (rep. Vikingfan): Unfortunately, there is very little information to be found about Nightson. He was suspicious of pablito and Phoebus Day 1, and was attacked by Amelia and pablito, and was defended by Thok. Nightson voted Twomz Day 2, and appeared rather strangely on LL's Town list. He also stated he thinks PJ, Glork and MBL are all town.
I can see him as scum, but, to be honest, there's nothing that warrants that right now.
Pablito: I had a scum vibe from Post 318 and a town vibe from Post 394. MBL attacked him early on. Cbox, Thok and Yos also attacked him. MBL attacked him for changing a vote to a FoS. He attacked CDB/SC over very tentative reasoning. Day Two he voted timmy, CTD (unvoted later), Yos, bird (unvoted later), SC and Mert. He was attacked by Glork, Riki, Phoebus, Yos, MBL and CTD, most of which I can see as scum. Interestingly enough, Yos and MBL were numbers 4 and 5 here.
To be honest, pablito's been all over the map. His voting behaviour can be of any alignment, but I'm leaning to town due to Yos/MBL attacking him.
petroleumjelly: I got a town vibe from his Post 57. I put the fact that he kept referring to himself as "town and not scum like last Kingmaker" as a random note to keep in mind, but MBL jumped on that. CTD, cbox and MBL attacked him Day 2.
I will be extremely surprised if he's scum. I haven't played in another game with him yet, so I have nothing to compare his play to, but his Day 1 play just screamed town to me. I'm not really overjoyed by him fading away from the spotlights Day 2. I would definitely like to hear some more from him.
Phoebus: Though his posts weren't exactly stellar Day 1, I can definitely see a scum-driven wagon right there. He's been on pablito, Yos and bird Day 2.
I'm not very comfortable with the way the wagon on him has developed. MoS is his buddy, though Phoebus hasn't responded to MoS at all. My guess right now would be town.
PookyTheMagicalBear: Has been very passive all game. The only two entries in which he was active in my log was one where he (jokingly) attacks Rosso/ShadowLurker and one where he attacks Glork and states PJ is the best King.
His lurking annoys me. I'm under the impression that Pooky is a good player, so I would expect more of him. Looking at the people who have attacked him Day 2, I've listed Glork, Mert, PJ, Bird and SC. He's possible scum, but I'm not ruling out the possibility of him being town.
spectrumvoid: I have lots of scum vibes from him. Post 385 (if pablito's town), Post 561 and I also got scum vibes from her flip-flopping on Glork. The entry for that is this:
She made a late attack on cbox and refused to cut him slack.Spectrumvoid doesn't get MBL's case on Glork.
Spectrumvoid votes Glork.
Vibe: Spectrumvoid scum, completely switches opinions on Glork
Spectrumvoid unvotes Glork.
I'm getting the feeling she's trying to stay on the Kings' good side (she's been friendly towards both Glork and PJ). She hasn't attacked a lot of people during the game, and didn't deliver opinions regarding people under heavy suspicion. I definitely think she's scum.
StallingChamp (rep. ChannelDelibird): Was found scummy by MBL (quite a bit, actually) and Pablito Day 1. Day 2, CTD voted him, which was later jumped on by spectrumvoid. Pablito later voted him as well. SC votes Fritz, Pooky and MoS.
I'm a bit conflicted about this. I don't really like the last entry in my log (voting Fritz, Pooky and MoS), but I definitely think scum may be looking to lynch him (as evidenced by attacks on him by MBL, CTD and spectrumvoid). I'd put him as town right now, though that may change.
Twomz: My memory's telling me that he was more active in other games we've played in together, but I'm not sure. He attacked MoS, cbox, CTD and Phoebus over the course of the game. MoS countered his attack. MBL put him on his LoE Day 1. Day 2 he apparently jumped on the birdwagon which I do find suspicious.
I can't say anything about his behaviour regarding the birdwagon. I don't like how MBL, who I think is scum, put him on his LoE. I'm leaning to town right now, but he could be scum.
UberTimmy: Voted MBL and spectrumvoid early on and was suspicious of cbox. Agreed with MoS about PJ. Was attacked by pablito, MoS, CTD, MBL, spectrumvoid, PJ and LL over the course of the game.
I'm going out on a limb here and say ubertimmy's town. This is an impression that could change, but I just think he's town.
Yosarian2: Another interesting case. I had three scum vibes from him, from Posts 189, 376 and 426. He defended Mert and attacked MoS. He FoSed pablito. He pressured PJ to pressure others (instead of doing it himself). He voted Phoebus. Though Glork stated he thought Yos was pro-town Day 1, he attacked Yos Day 2, an attack against Yos defended himself very awkwardly. He voted Twomz and pablito.
I was suspicious of Yos all reread, and I'm happy to see others picked up on it, even though they did it much later than I did. I've played with Yos before in Reverse Mafia (Mini 370) and his play style seems to be different from that game (in which he was town). I definitely think he's scum.
Yosarian2, MrBuddyLee, Mert, spectrumvoid, CrashTextDummie. Happy executing.Glork wrote:Zindaras:Welcome to the game. Help your ol' buddy Glorky out and tell him who the dirty scumbaggos are.ShowFinished: 159 (120 Town, 33 Mafia, 5 Other, 1 Cult, 4 Cultivated)
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Oh, yes, let's vote, too.
Vote: Yosarian2, MrBuddyLee, Mert, spectrumvoid, CrashTextDummie.ShowFinished: 159 (120 Town, 33 Mafia, 5 Other, 1 Cult, 4 Cultivated)
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*points at his case against MBL*pablito wrote:Here's the point where I begin to significantly disagree with Glork. I do not think MBL belongs on the LoE and my current thought is that MBL is town and I haven't gotten scummy vibes from him in day two.
Then how do you explain the odd behaviour I outlined in my above post, which you fail to address?
Is not getting a lot off him a reason to believe he's town? I'd rather put it as a reason to believe he's scum, as he doesn't seem to be interested in catching scum at all.I'm unsure what to think of Pooky because we haven't gotten much off of him lately, but I don't think he's the right play for today either.
Then do a reread on him.I've totally forgotten why I was suspecting Yos, but some of the recent arguments on him seem to be slightly convincing me. But nonetheless, I don't see a damning case against him.
I'm not picking up anything (towny or scummy) regarding Twomz, so I'm waiting eagerly for him to make a nice post.and whatever happened to the Twomz quasi-wagon? I thought people had strong suspicions on him but he suddenly dropped off the map. Is that because scum forgot about him or is it because we as town have failed to pressure him properly?ShowFinished: 159 (120 Town, 33 Mafia, 5 Other, 1 Cult, 4 Cultivated)
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Oh, by the way, pablito, aren't you in any way disliking how MBL's linking you to Glork and PJ?
Also, for some reason, I thought there was only 5 scum. *scratches head*
Then I think one of pablito/Dead Rikimaru/Twomz/Pooky is also scum.
Pablito's been saying he's suspicious of MBL Day 1. Here are relevant entries in my log:
I'm really happy to see 4 of the 5 who are my main suspects on Glork's LoE, though I would like to know why he left out spectrumvoid.Pablito votes MBL and says Dead Rikimaru may have planted suspicion regarding Pablito-Glork.
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I've already stated quite a good case against you, but apparently, you see it as having no good reasons.Yosarian2 wrote:I wish I could figure out why people in most of the games I'm in right now suddenly are convinced I'm scum without being able to give any good reasons. Was I just playing wierd last month or something?
You defended Mert, who I view as scummy. You attacked MoS (who is very townish) in the same post. You pressured PJ to pressure others, instead of doing it yourself. I'm not getting the scumhunting vibe from you I got in Reverse.
Your weak attempt to discredit Glork is noted. Now, onto what you're saying.Anyway, it's rather disturbing the way Glork got all those "homework assignments" and failed to comment on any of them. I'm having second thoughts about his alignment, especally as "make a list of 5 people you think are pro-town" does not seem like something a pro-town person is likely to demand someone else do on day 2. And he neglected to answer my question about why he wanted that information.
No, this is actually quite useful. Scum likes to just say people are scummy and never actually say people are town, because that limits their options in later stages. By forcing people to state who they think are town, Glork limits scum's options.especally as "make a list of 5 people you think are pro-town" does not seem like something a pro-town person is likely to demand someone else do on day 2.ShowFinished: 159 (120 Town, 33 Mafia, 5 Other, 1 Cult, 4 Cultivated)
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Noted.Glork wrote:
Which, I might add, is *QUITE* contrary to his early attack on me, in which he attacked me for allegedly not trying to catch scum.Zindaras wrote:(Re: Pooky)Is not getting a lot off him a reason to believe he's town? I'd rather put it as a reason to believe he's scum, as he doesn't seem to be interested in catching scum at all.ShowFinished: 159 (120 Town, 33 Mafia, 5 Other, 1 Cult, 4 Cultivated)
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The first line is a defense of the way Mert's been playing. For the rest, I find MoS's way of playing not in any way to hurt the town. I have quite a few entries in which MoS stated opinions, so your attack on him is based only on "he won't vote", while votes aren't even that relevant. You seem to find deliberately not casting votes as scummier than deliberately not posting.
Post 189 was me pointing out, again, why MOS's plan of action was and is directly harmfull to the town. If someone does something that's bad for the town, it makes it more likely they're scum, and it also means that pro-town people should try to pressure them to act differently. I don't see why people don't seem to get that, with Glork dismissing my attack against MOS as a "metagame vote" and no one else willing to back me up to put more pressure on him. So what, exactally, is scummy about that post?Yosarian2 wrote:I don't really see how trying to tie people together is a scum tell anyway; it's a perfectly reasonable way of trying to find scum.
It was not all that clear from those posts that you suspected those people, MOS. Just because I disagree with a point someone makes does not automatically mean I suspect them. And it's still not clear which one you suspect more, and your posts are certanly not going to put any pressure on any of them or get them to respond or defed themselves in any way, and it didn't even get me to take a closer look at them or anything like that, so I must say that as a scum-hunting technique, your one-liner responses without votes seems pretty worthless.Mastermind of Sin wrote: Clearly I'm suspicious of Twomz, Vaughn, and Ameliaslay. In the future, don't expect me to be this nice about it, either. I will not go around saying "I suspect so-and-so". That's where the whole reading of my posts thing comes into play. Next time do your homework, kthnxbai.
If you're not going to vote, you should at least "fos" or something, and I can't imagine why you wouldn't want to even just clearly state "I am currently suspicious Twomz". Do you really think everyone is going to sit down and pore through every one of your posts to try to get some kind of hint as to what MOS might or might not be thinking?
I don't see how the way you're playing here could possibly help the town in any way, or how it could possibly find scum. Especally in a game where the town has no information roles, if you're not going to help the town find scum during the day, you're going to have to die.
I don't like how you post conflictingly here. You state Phoebus, pablito and bird as both scummy and townish. I don't like the general tone of your post.Post 376:
King PJ had asked for comments about the people on his list of execution, and so I re-read all the posts of those people and posted my thoughts. More people should have done that, but they weren't. If you want to find scum, why not look at the people who weren't trying to help the king make a decision, as opposed to the few people who were?Yosarian2 wrote:Ok, some quick thoughts on the people on the king's list of exectuion.
Pablito: His constant defense/buddying up to Glork is a minor scum tell, and he hasn't done much else.
Bird111: all he's done is vote Gork and Pablito for no good reason. Clearly :not helpfull: at best.
Phobus: I really can't get a good read on him at the moment. His shameless bandwagoning dosn't look good, but I'm not sure if it's a scumtell at this point. More suspicious is his refusal to contribute in any real way, with helpful comments like "still nothing to add at this point".
CDB: Don't really see anything too suspicious about him at this point.
You ignore everyone but those on the scum list, as if you're happy with whatever happens. You think inside the box. That's not something I'm used to from you.Post 426:
And again, what's wrong with this post? When the king says "I'm going to execute one of these three people", every pro-town person in the game SHOULD comment on that, and say "Well, if you're going to execute A, B, or C, I'd suggest B, because....".Yosarian wrote:Eh...with the deadline coming up, I figured I should vote for the person on the execution list I felt most suspicious of. I honestly don't have a very strong suspicion on anyone at this point, but out of the 4 people the king said he's thinking about executing, you're at the top of my list.
Basically, like I said in an earlier post, my general impression so far is that you've been mostly :nothelpfull:, and the one time you did contribute content it was to shamlessly bandwagon without good reasons.
I think you should always try to do your own job, instead of asking others to do it for you.
I'd been trying to pressure MOS for most of the day, and it did exactally nothing. He basically ignored me, everyone else basically ignored me, and nothing changed at all, he felt absolutly no pressure to change his anti-town behavior. So yeah, I came to the conclusion that we needed to have the king start pressuring people if we were going to get anywhere. Do you disagree?He pressured PJ to pressure others (instead of doing it himself).
I don't.
Yup, and I still think he's scum. What's your point?He voted Phoebus.
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I "defended myself against very awkwardly"? How so? What in my defense did you disagree with?he attacked Yos Day 2, an attack against Yos defended himself very awkwardly
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In Post 189, you defend the way Mert played up to that point.Yosarian2 wrote:Just wondering...when did I defend mert? I don't remember doing that.
And in this game you should spend the whole day trying to find scum. And I don't see you doing that.(shrug) I'm sure I was giving off a different vibe in reverse, it was a very different game. For one thing, in Reverse I spent the whole day 1 trying to get myself "elected".ShowFinished: 159 (120 Town, 33 Mafia, 5 Other, 1 Cult, 4 Cultivated)
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A guy like me? What's that supposed to mean?pablito wrote:Hmm, quite a quick response from a guy like you.
You're defending Pooky as not being the right play. Let me rephrase that, though:
WTF? So not thinking Pooky is the "right play" is suddenly crying out that I think he's town? Things are not mutually exclusive. To make it clearer, Pooky is in my "not enough evidenceZindaras wrote:
Is not getting a lot off him a reason to believe he's town? I'd rather put it as a reason to believe he's scum, as he doesn't seem to be interested in catching scum at all.pablito wrote:I'm unsure what to think of Pooky because we haven't gotten much off of him lately, but I don't think he's the right play for today either.as of lateto be sure of his alignment" pile. Yos is in there too.
But right now, the above quote by Zindaras makes me wonder why he so suddenly jumped on my post and what's going on there. But using bad logic like that makes me feel he's more passioned townie than using intentional craplogic.
Is not getting a lot off him a reason to believe he shouldn't be executed? I'd rather put it as a reason to believe he should be, as he doesn't seem to be interested in catching scum at all.
You reply to 4 of his posts. That's hardly encompassing everything. You ignore, for example, the post in which he FoSes you. I think you could take more of a stance on him.
When I care to do so. If you absolutely think I need to, then get Glork to request that I do yet ANOTHER re-read on him aside from the one that's been mostly ignored. Or better yet, Zind, you can also look back at my long post on Yos, Mert, spectrum, CDB, Riki and someone else I can't remember and realize that I was wavering on my stance on Yos back then and I'm only confirming that I still can't find damning evidence on Yos and thus my unvote and uncertain stance on him are justified.Zindaras wrote:
Then do a reread on him.I've totally forgotten why I was suspecting Yos, but some of the recent arguments on him seem to be slightly convincing me. But nonetheless, I don't see a damning case against him.
I want to see a stance on Yos from you, pablito. I don't care if you're unsure. I want to know it.
I also very much dislike how you're seemingly trying to stay on the fact that MBL and Glork are both town (something that could also be said for Nightson, by the way).
You're welcome. <3Glork wrote:Add-on to the previous post: Seriously, Yos. I'm glad that some players like Luckay and Zindaras are willing to replace into the game and can bring something to the table right away. Lurking in games sickens me, even more so in mountainous games. I don't remember if you were in Lights Out or not, but strategic lurking almost won the game for the scum. I wantother peopleto start talking because I don't want anybody slinking their way around until mid- to late-game situations.
Oh, and quoted for undeniable truthery.ShowFinished: 159 (120 Town, 33 Mafia, 5 Other, 1 Cult, 4 Cultivated)
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Glork's list:
MBL
Mert
Yos
Pooky
Pablito?
CTD?
StCh?
To be honest, the only one that will make me think Glork's scummy is StallingChamp, for I don't find him scummy at all.ShowFinished: 159 (120 Town, 33 Mafia, 5 Other, 1 Cult, 4 Cultivated)
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How is my reasoning far less than thorough? You can just say that it is, but you don't explain that at all.MrBuddyLee wrote:Zindaras voted me just now to join you in your folly, and I think his reasoning was far less than thorough.
I don't like how you're trying to scare Glork out of executing you here. I don't think you should be executed today (I find Yos even scummier), but I don't like this.You're going to get crucified tomorrow if you lynch me today unless you drum up some more support, so I suggest you start working on that now.ShowFinished: 159 (120 Town, 33 Mafia, 5 Other, 1 Cult, 4 Cultivated)
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Glork's main list is MBL, Mert, Pooky and Yos. How are Mert and Pooky not lurkers? How are they hunting scum this game? Because I don't see them posting.MrBuddyLee wrote:God, is Glork's execution list terrible. "Hey, Ima choose between four good scumhunters, help me pick one while we ignore the lurkers and less experienced scum."
Then Pooky isn't playing to the best of his abilities and should be prodded into doing so. But, personally, I don't like it when people don't play to the best of their abilities. I find it scummy. People shouldn't be afraid of being NK'd. That only helps the lurkers win.I just reread Pooky. He hasn't expressed many opinions on various players. He has made some valid points, like the "KM as executioner" point and pointing out the folly of Glork drawing attention to himself if he's town. Pooky's thin on suspicions in all games lately, I think it's a survival tactic due to past NK issues, and it's tough to tell whether he's scum or town now. I think the king should demand more info from Pooky. I'd also like Glork to reiterate his reasons for wanting to execute each person on his list. The list posts by player functionality is crippled and makes searching for this ourselves very difficult right now.
Meh? I'd rather put it as bad.Yos has been primarily defensive, and suspects Twomz and Phoebus, two people who haven't said much. For bad votes with no stated reasons on bad wagons. He finds PJ pablito bird cbox townish. He's gone from finding Glork explicitly pro-town to finding him suspect over the past three weeks. Meh play by Yos overall.
I haven't seen him play like this before. Pablito was, by the way, the one to start the Rosso wagon (he was first to vote Rosso or otherwise bring him to attention).Pablito, I've commented on recently. I think I may have found a slip in his post about PJ's execution list, but that requires that bird and pabs are scum together. I think he gave PJ cover or encouraged PJ to execute Rosso. Thing is, he's posted an absolute shitload of content, and if he's protown he's very helpful town to have around. If he's scum, he'll probably hang himself and his friends. Unless he's a master of achieving randomness of suspicion and comment, which I don't kn9ow cause I haven't played with him much.
Pooky and Mert are both quite useless right now, and I think they could both be said as lying low, especially if you compare how they're playing to their normal play.Why are none of the useless people on the execution list? This is a Mountainous game ffs. My scumteam won Himalayan with the following strategy:
* lie low
* express balanced suspicions of safe targets
* keep lurkers and noncontributors around to endgame to cast suspicion on later
Distancing noted.Please add CTD to the people who find my actions reasonable this game. Also,vote: CTD. I've read him in games where he was fabulously insightful. Where's the curiosity, CTD? Your defense of me, while accurate, is easily something scum could do safely, knowing that when I come up pro-town someday, having defended my arguments will be a +1 in your book. I'd really like to see a complete list of CTD suspicions beyond the lurker list of votes you posted three weeks ago.
How else do you want to get stuff out of Fritz?Glork said:
But CTD's not on the list of execution, only on a Glork list of possible scum. Fascinating.Glork wrote:I'm going to read over CTD's posts soon to see how I feel about him. Hey Fritz, who are CTD's scumbuddies?
I'll agree, though I don't find Twomz that suspicious myself.Twomz's posts today:
Twomz wrote:Lol, in all my games the major posts attacking or defending <____> are gone.... wtf?
Glork voted Twomz but did not add him to his execution list despite Twomz posting absolutely nothing for three weeks. Curious.Twomz wrote:still here
He just needs to be replaced, in my eyes.Rikimaru: four posts, one about nothing, three about pablito. And Rikimaru hasn't made Glork's radar. Brilliant Kingship, your majesty.vote: Rikimaru
He needs a prod, nothing more.cardboardbox posted substance once today, three weeks ago, to attack three lurkers. Nothing since. No attention from the King on cbox for this slackness that I've noted.
This is nonsense, Nightson. If you're a king, you decide who you want to execute, then you run it by your town. If they don't agree with you, you listen to them, seeing as how the majority of them are good guys.
I don't see any reason for Glork to state his execution target right now. We're in the middle of quite an activity boost and we're getting lots of information. I think Glork should run it by the town, but only later.
Again, I'm getting the impression you're trying to scare Glork here.If you go ahead and execute your target anyway:
1) You'll probably nail a townie
2) You'll probably get annihilated tomorrow for going against the wishes of your town.
I am not making this observation selectively towards Glork. PJ also did not make a good case against Rosso, did NOT get the town's support for the lynch, and today PJ is viewed as suspect by many for it. It's a DUH thing: get your town's support for your lynch, and if you can't make them buy your case, maybe just maybe you're wrong about it.
So you support an execution of these guys or what?Guys, we aren't going to get investigation results on cbox or StallingChamp or Rikimaru. It's going to come down to day eight and four of these slack bastards are going to be around along with three scum. And unless we put them on the hotseatNOWand get them talking, it'll be a coinflip as to which are scum and which are town. Good luck with that.
Opinions do change, you know.And Glork's sealed the deal by saying he knows he's going to execute, removing all incentive for scum to comment at this point.
More than once I've caught scum but noone was willing to believe me. If Glork really thinks he has a rock-solid case against you, I don't see why you shouldn't be on his LoE. You're acting like Glork's already executed you.MrBuddyLee wrote:
2) I'm not trying to scare Glork out of executing me. Read more carefully. I'm trying to get Glork to drum up town support for his case against me. If he can't, that says something. Anyone who thinks I'm trying to intimidate Glork out of executing me is wrong. I'm asking him to lay out his case to see if it holds water, because that's how the game is played. Nightson just voted me for the same reason you don't like my comment here: you both misread it.Zindaras wrote:
I don't like how you're trying to scare Glork out of executing you here. I don't think you should be executed today (I find Yos even scummier), but I don't like this.You're going to get crucified tomorrow if you lynch me today unless you drum up some more support, so I suggest you start working on that now.
You go from pablito/timmy/sc/cbox/Glork to pablito/Phoebus/MoS to Rosso/Twomz/CTD. That's quite a changing list. I find that suspicious, since, to me, it seems a bit like you're just trying to find a good execution target and you disregard the rest.
Zind, you don't explain what's wrong about any of thisZind wrote:I don't like how he's(MBL's) playing. At all. He attacked pablito, timmy, SC, cbox and Glork early on, then said pablito, Phoebus and MoS were being awkward, then made a list of execution containing Rosso, Twomz and CTD. Day 2 he voted Fritz and timmy.at all. "No reasoning".
I find it odd that you attacked pablito for changing a vote to a FoS. There really is quite a small difference, but I don't see why only scum would see that difference.
Again, you don't explain why ANY of this is strange. It's not self-evident, trust me.Zind wrote:He's posted strange stuff all game. He stated pablito was suspicious for changing a vote to a FoS. He tried to link Mert to Glork. He brought up the nutty nuts-theory. He tried to link PJ, pablito and Glork. He stated that PJ/Pooky/Glork should've died, not Thok.Whydo you find the nut-kicking theory strange, for example? Why do you find any of the above listed things strange? Many people have found many of those observations of mine quite reasonable, so make your case.
Linking Mert to Glork was rather ridiculous, in my eyes, when Glork was asking Mert for clarification.
The nuts-theory...I have played in quite a few Mafias, and I've never seen it happen.
Linking PJ, pablito and Glork. Again, pablito was on PJ's and Glork's execution list.
I don't see the reasoning why PJ/Pooky/Glork should've died over Thok, so I think you're trying to cast suspicion on good, active players that way.ShowFinished: 159 (120 Town, 33 Mafia, 5 Other, 1 Cult, 4 Cultivated)
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Keeping different cases to different posts:
EndeavourCrashTextDummie wrote:The only person I voted because of lurking was ubertimmy. I did it because I hoped to get him to talk, but such endeavors have been proven to be fruitless without the kings support.s? You posted the votes. You never followed up on them. You never really tried to get the king to prod them (in fact, you didn't even ask for a prod when you voted him). You were content with just lying low.
You vote them for one scummy move, but you don't point out why else we should vote them. You don't make a case, you just point out scummy posts, apparently hoping other people jump on it.I voted Twomz and StallingChamp because they have both posted scummy stuff, most of which was unfortunately lost in the crash. Since then, they have both fallen off the face of the earth, which makes me think that my votes are in the right place. I am particularly confused by Glorks lack of interest in Twomz: He (Glork) was the first to point out ablatantlogical fallacy that Twomz flung in my face, but either doesn't remember or doesn't care about it anymore, now that it has been wiped from the record books.
Rosso was under suspicion for quite a while. He posted nothing in his defense. He didn't respond to pablito's allegation. He didn't respond to anything after his first few posts, which were very very odd.I had very little trouble with PJ during most of D1, hence why I said I'm getting townievibes from him. But the way the execution went down still leaves me hugely dissatisfied. I'm not even holding against him that he offed a townie, as the odds were very much against a townie-king. It's the way he brought Rosso to the execution block at the very last minute without giving him a chance to defend himselfat allthat rubs me the wrong way. Is it possible that PJ was so short on time that he couldn't do better even if he wanted to and he thought that he was doing the right thing? Of course. Would this be an optimal excuse for a scum king to kill an innocent? Very much so.
So you ignore PJ's posting throughout the entire day and condemn him for his execution?The king is the only person in this game that can be judged by his actions, as opposed to his words. I personally felt like PJ's reign was ultimately more in line with that of a scum king, and I voted him for that. His defence (now lost in the crash), which basically amounted to "I didn't have time, think of that whatever you want" (feel free to correct me if you feel misrepresented, PJ) wasn't exactly inspiring either.
I'll note, by the way, that you nicely avoided weighing in on Rosso.
PJ and SC. Your vote on PJ is damning him for his one move and you leave everything else he's posted out. SC because you damn him, again, for his one post in which he said PJ made a good execution.If you think I am "quite scummy" because some of my votes "struck you as very scummy", I want to know which of these 4 votes you are objecting against and why.
Ubertimmy's just reeks of hypocriticism, and ignores all the other lurkers. Twomz's is one I cannot comment on, for I don't know what he posted.
What disturbs me most of all is that you don't make cases. You just post random scummy tidbits and hope others do the work for you. I see that as scum trying to avoid the spotlight and get town lynched.
QFT. This is something I am missing very much in most of the players on my scumlist, which is, in part, why I'm attacking them.Glork wrote:I am the king. That makes me responsible for the execution. But every single player has a responsibility to contribute and to help find scum. Part of that task is maximizing activity, since more discussion theoretically promotes scumfinding. You, MBL, along with every other player, share this responsibility. To sluff the activity/health of the game onto the king is ludicrous. If you look back on the early-game discussion in KM1, you'll see that many players ultimately wanted to keep the game as collective as possible. Make the king responsible for executing somebody. Otherwise, try to normalize the game as much as possible. It makes the most sense, it gives the best odds of the town finding scum, and it means that each and every player shares a responsibility to promote activity within the game.
Your generalization of the argument and failure to respond to any specific part of it or to state any reasoning at all is noted.LuckayLuck wrote:MBL, Glork is townie.
Glork, MBL is townie.
Glork, as much as I can see MBL grinding away at you, don't execute him.
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Two interesting things to note: MoS never said he wouldn't contribute. He simply said he wouldn't vote. There is no huge disadvantage to not voting in this setup, if you contribute.Yosarian2 wrote:Hardly; if someone stood up and said "I'm going to basically just lurk all game and never contribute anything useful, and only post just often enough so as to not get replaced", I would certanly vote for them, because that's anti-town behavior, and the town should never put up with anti-town behavior.
Now, later in the day he did start participating in a useful way dispite the bizzare self-imposed limitation he put on himself, at which point I backed off on attacking him, but I certanly don't think I was wrong to attack him for that early on.
As for the second thing, MoS is the only "non-contributor" who you have attacked in this way. We have far more non-contributors, who have contributed far less than MoS. I don't see you calling those out, specifically.
You didn't raise amazing points regarding the three. Your opinions were mainly one-liners.(shrug) The game was dragging, people were not posting, and there was a deadline coming up. I didn't feel like I had much to say either, but we needed to get conversation going, so I just re-read all of the posts of the people on the execution list and wrote down my thoughts as they came to me. I was trying to stir discussion on those three people, becuase it seemed clear that the king was going to execute on of them, and it apparently failed as most people still didn't comment on them. This game has been pretty frustrating for me pretty much all the way through, and all game I've felt like I've been talking into an echo chamber where everyone ignores me and nothing I say or do seems to matter.
Your stances on all 4 were noncommittal. I find that very suspicious.Again, based on PJ's earlier thoughts, it seemed clear that he WAS going to execute someone on that list, and there was nothing I could do about that. Anyway, if someone picks three people they think are suspicious, the odds are very good that at least one of them is scum, so there's certanly something to be gained by wieghing in on which one looked most suspicious to me.
Now, if I had looked at PJ's list and thought that all three of the people looked townie to me, I would have said so. I did not.
You didn't even try, you just told the King to do it. However small, pressure is pressure.I think that in this kind of game we need to have at least some support from the king in order to put pressure on people. No one really feels pressured unless they really think they're at risk.
Now, it dosn't have to be active support; if the King just said something like "Anyone with 8 votes will be automatically added to the LOE", then votes would be a useful form of pressure. But without at least the passive support of the King, it's very hard to pressure people.
I like his voting behaviour, or most of it (votes on Mert and you). I think MoS is town, and MoS is very sure about Phoebus' townieness.Ok. What has Phoebus done that makes you think he's pro-town? Use specifics, please.
Basically, I agree with Glork's points in Post 601.I was asking for specifics here. What about my defense do you disagree with?
Oh, I disagree with you there. There were definitely comments on Rosso:Yosarian2 wrote:The real problem is that we got almost no information day 1, because the king executed someone almost no one had commented on, and most people in the game haven't commented on most people in the execution list it looks like we're heading that way again (although a few now have; nice summery SV).
Note MBL here. He went from:My Notes wrote:Cardb0ardb0x is suspicious of pablito, MBL and ShadowLurker/Rosso Carne.
ShadowLurker/Rosso Carne votes Cbox.
Cbox OMGUSes ShadowLurker/Rosso Carne.
Pooky (jokingly) attacks ShadowLurker/Rosso Carne.
ShadowLurker/Rosso Carne votes Phoebus and Mert.
Rosso Carne thinks pablito is stupid, PJ is scum and Phoebus is town.
Vibe: Rosso wtf?, Posts 273-278.
Rosso thinks PJ is scum for posting like he's in the scum's heads.
MBL makes a "get your shit together vote" on Rosso.
Pablito votes Rosso, doesn't think Vaughn is scummy.
Glork states: -Rosso is scummy.
PJ will consider Phoebus, bird111 and Rosso.
MBL wants Rosso, Twomz or CTD executed.
Pablito is suspicious of Pooky and CTD and wants a Rosso execution.
PJ posts opinions in Post 516. Puts bird111, pablito, Phoebus, Rosso, spectrumvoid (not so much), Vaughn/Hammer (same performance as KM) as scum.
PJ executes Rosso.
To wanting him executed.MrBuddyLee wrote:vote: Rosso.
I doubt scum would act that retarded, so he's probably town. This is a "get your shit together, man" vote.
There was definitely interaction between Rosso and other players.
I can live with that, but it'll be difficult to find replacements for this game.Cardboardbox probably needs to be replaced, he's vanished from the game I'm modding as well.
I've answered this question before, but my LOE would still consist of Yosarian2, MrBuddyLee, CrashTextDummie, Mert and spectrumvoid.1. What do you think of Glork's current LOE? If you were king, what would your LOE look like?
Mert. We can extract enough information and behaviour from the others before deciding to kick them out, but Mert will probably not come back.2. If we were going to pick and execute one person on the current LOE, who would it be, and why?ShowFinished: 159 (120 Town, 33 Mafia, 5 Other, 1 Cult, 4 Cultivated)
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I wanted to know if Glork wanted me to keep an eye out for specific players and such. For the rest, I'm not sucking up to Glork. If you think I'm sucking up to Glork because I'm defending him/I think the people who attack him are scum, you need to understand that defending=/=sucking up. I think you're suspicious, and you're attacking Glork. The enemy of my enemy is my friend, and such. It is only logical that we would be found to have comparable opinions.MrBuddyLee wrote:Hey Zindaras, I'm curious, are you pitching or catching for Glork's team in tonight's doubleheader? Good god, man, I didn't think anyone could possibly kiss up more than pablito did, but you've done it. Congratulations. I counted thirty-seven distinct suckups to Glork by you, and you've only been in the game four days. And I nearly split a spleen laughing when I read this:
Oooh, now I have to be careful, or the big bad boogeyking will execute me!I can't believe you have the gall to say that when every other sentence you type is a defense of a Glork action or an attack on a comment about Glork. pablito did it strategically for some curious reason or another, but yours looks more like straight up brown-nosing, and it's going to trash your credibility in this game if you're not careful.
I already outlined the whats and whys above.
You're putting it wrongly here. I think people attacking Glork are scum, thus I think Glork is Town, not the other way around. It's even in my Player-by-Player Analysis.You say you're primarily finding Glork and pablito innocent because of who's attacking them. Well, let me tell you how I see your entry into this game. As scum or town, you decided to make faith in Glork the cornerstone of your worldview. Now, every action anyone takes is seen by you through Glork-colored glasses. And it doesn't sound like you're keeping the option open that the people criticizing Glork are town--you're trying to splat every single anti-Glork point down with a giant flyswatter.
Read better.What is currently decisive for my opinion on him are the people who are attacking him.
1) If they wouldn't be convinced of their rightness, the scum discoveries would be useless.If you're town, I hope you realize you're on an island by yourself as you find everything I say scummy and you find everything Glork says smells like roses. It's true that occasionally one town makes a brilliant scum discovery that no one else agrees with, but let me tell ya, ace, this ain't that time.
2) I'm not the only one who thinks you're scum.
*laughs*Addressing your reasons for finding me scummy (which I think are all secondary to the real reason: cause I'm being big meanie to your pal Glork):
First, you find 5 people suspicious. Then, you find 3 people suspicious, of which only one was on your original list. Then, you make a complete turn again, going to 3 entirely new people when it's lynching time. That's some huge changes, with no new info confirming people as town or scum (no lynches or kills), just posts.This is a silly comment. Since when are suspicions not supposed to change over the course of D1? OMG MBL U RANDOM VOTED PHOEBUS AND U DONT FIND HIM SCUMMY NEMORE WTF
Mind giving the proof for that?Scum are more concerned with their image than town. Thus they'd be more likely to draw attention to changes in their image via tricks like this. I believe the first scum caught in Himalayan was nailed for doing something similar. I never said it was a guaranteed tell, just something to note.
Zindaras wrote:Linking Mert to Glork was rather ridiculous, in my eyes, when Glork was asking Mert for clarification.
Yeah, I want to have his babies.You bought Glork's "linking" paranoia hook, line and sinker, which is not surprising given your deepfelt love for him.
What actually happened is that Glork made a big post commenting on most of the players in the game. I noticed that he left out Mert and asked him for his opinion of Mert. Glork called me a fucking idiot who couldn't read. I corrected him--he'd actually never given his opinion of Mert, so he was wrong and I was immensely relieved to not be a fucking idiot. That is what actually happened, and it doesn't surprise me that you were too busy sucking Glork's toes to get the story correct.
Your only response to that was :lameposting:. You tried to link Glork to Mert specifically, when there were other people Glork didn't comment on.Glork wrote:Also, your attempts to link me to Mert specifically have also been noted. If I made comments on 16 other people, then there are 7 people that I did not make comments towards.
The fact that I dislike his play so far this game very much doesn't make him sucky.I thought you found Pooky a sucky, inactive player.
I stated that Thok was a perfectly fine scumkill N1, so congratulations for missing the crux of my point entirely.
The important parts are bolded. You want us to keep a closer eye on Glork, PJ and Pooky simply for surviving. I find that suspicious.MrBuddyLee wrote:WhileI think Thok is never a bad pick for scum to execute N1,I'll note that the longer Glork, PJ and Pooky are left around the closer they should be watched.Glork in particular is a prime N1 scum target. Particularly in a game where it'd make sense to off someone who'd make an excellent pro-town king.
It's a bit harsh, yes, but I understand it's in good fun. It's just a game, after all.Sorry if this post seems harsh, it's actually all in good fun.
Before?And you really should get your nose out of there before any permanent damage is done.ShowFinished: 159 (120 Town, 33 Mafia, 5 Other, 1 Cult, 4 Cultivated)
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Well, that's a nice line to start with.CrashTextDummie wrote:Zindaras, your case against me is utterly ridiculous.
Why not? I mean, it doesn't have to be begging, but you can try to bring it to the King's attention.I voiced my opinion, I placed my vote. What else do you expect me to do? Come begging to the king whenever I feel a player hasn't posted enough, so he may do something about it?
Then why did you vote him? Prods nor votes were really helping.It should also be noted that there's a difference between not posting at all for a while and posting every once in a while and saying nothing of susbtance in the process. It has already been proven in this game that prodding ubertimmy does not result in him posting any useful content.
You could not make an extensive case on PJ? I mean, really, you think PJ is scum, you vote him, but you can't make a big case on him, even if he's been arguably the most prolific player Day One?Again, what do you expect me to do? I see something scummy, I vote. I'm sincerely sorry that I don't have 3 paragraph cases on all these people...[/sarcasm]
Yes, you are correct. But you need to do more than just that. Pointing out scummy posts is not enough. You need to keep focusing attention on the players, ask them questions, be inquisitive.I really hope you are joking here, but pointing out scummy posts and voting accordingly is what a pro-town player is supposed to do. You did it yourself when you declared me scummy for one post I made. If I were able to make a detailed case against someone on D2 shortly after a significant number of posts have been lost, this game would be a lot easier.
So, because Rosso was town, PJThe first time Rosso was mentioned by the king at all was 24 hours (give or take 1) before the deadline hit. Before that, he didn't seem to mind him (check his Post 349 for reference, where he said that he didn't have "any strong feelings" about anyone not discussed by him before. This was after Rosso had made his last contribution to the game, i.e. all his posts were available for review). When he was executed, his only real offense that I could agree with was "not getting his shit together" like he promised, but then again, the pro-town thing to do according to you would have been to ask for his prod, which I don't think anyone did (certainly not the king).hasto be scum?
See above line.Which part of "judging by his actions, as opposed to his words" did you not understand? A scum-king can be as pro-town as he wants all day long without doing any harm to himself or his team. It's his execution which ultimately counts. Plus, I wouldn't put it behind PJ to fool me for a while, given his skills at playing this game.
I think PJ was just under a lot of pressure, from the deadline and from himself, and that made him screw up.Way to not read what I said. I vote PJ because his reign as a whole is more in line with that of a scum-king in my opinion, not because I'm "leaving everything else he's posted" out. Again, I have to ask you: Is it scummy to reevalute someone I found pro-town before with the added knowledge of how the execution went down?
You can make cases against whoever you want to. If they are good, the King will consider them and listen to you.Again, you don't seem to grasp what really went down. SC said PJ made a good executionwhile at the same time saying that he didn't understand why Rosso was executed at all. How can it be a good execution if you don't understand why it happened in the first place?
I can't comment on what SC said, since it was lost in the crash, before I got in this game, but it seems like a weak case altogether.
The difference is that I've looked at all your other posts and found nothing in there that speaks for you.And while we're on the subject of "damning someone for one post", I believe that's what you're trying to do to me right now. Just thougt I'd point that out.
What made your vote on ubertimmy useful, exactly?Ubertimmy and bird1111 were the most extreme lurkers on D1 in my opinion. I can't afford to vote every single lurker in the game, because that would render my votes completely useless.
Newsflash for you, champ. The kinghasto make all the work for me. The only thingIcan do is point out who I think is scummy and hope for a pro-town king to make the right decision. I find your accusation that doing this is scummy absolutely ludicrous.ShowFinished: 159 (120 Town, 33 Mafia, 5 Other, 1 Cult, 4 Cultivated)
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That and the fact that most of the votes on and by him were cast by people I feel are scummy.petroleumjelly wrote:1.) What are your reasons for thinking Bird1111 is town? I don’t really see an explanation I can grasp (although I am going to take a ‘wild’ guess that MBL’s nut-kicking theory on Bird1111 is your motivating factor).
Well, just go and continue reading the debate between Yos and me, I daresay, but the original reasoning is explained in Post 771:2.) It could be the case that I am just continually not seeing the Yos2 “case”, but could you go into more detail on why you think Yos2 is so scummy? If you could try to tailor comments towards my analysis of Yos2 found here, that would be appreciated (andyes, I have read your post 780andGlork’s post 783).
Now, as for your post.Another interesting case. I had three scum vibes from him, from Posts 189, 376 and 426. He defended Mert and attacked MoS. He FoSed pablito. He pressured PJ to pressure others (instead of doing it himself). He voted Phoebus. Though Glork stated he thought Yos was pro-town Day 1, he attacked Yos Day 2, an attack against Yos defended himself very awkwardly. He voted Twomz and pablito.
I was suspicious of Yos all reread, and I'm happy to see others picked up on it, even though they did it much later than I did. I've played with Yos before in Reverse Mafia (Mini 370) and his play style seems to be different from that game (in which he was town). I definitely think he's scum.
As you said, he is lacking in the direct scumhunting department. He hasn't presented any great cases, he hasn't added much. My comparison is with Reverse Mafia, and I'm not liking it.petroleumjelly wrote:K... just read through approximately D1, and I suppose Yos2 did not do very muchdirectscum-hunting. He has given some thoughts about game theory, which are at least helping to advance discussion. However, he did push quite a bit on Mastermind of Sin (and on sound reasoning, so far as I am concerned) which at least helped me to form my opinions on MoS. He also scolded cardb0ardb0x a couple times for his posts, although he did not press the issue very much. He poked once at ShadowLurker, Pablito, and slightly Phoebus during D1.
I suppose Yos2 seems like he was playing slightly "safe" (i.e. trying to not to get into debates unless he could handily hold his own, and not being overly provacative), but I would frankly have to review games with Yos2 in order to decide whether or not this is consistent with his normal style (and whether or not I would hence expect that of him), so I am going to find the original Kingmaker (I can't think offhand of another game I've played with Yos2)...
In the original on D1, Yos2 again made a lot of theoretical comments (so I do expect that much). In that game, he narrowed pretty quickly down onto RandomActs after he had claimed Townie (seems like Yos2 might have a thing for D1 targets in particular: RandomActs in KM1, MoS in KM2). He asked a few questions to a few people without pressing the envelop too far. He also voted and confirm-voted Broomhead, which admittedly was actual direct scumhunting (which also pointed to scum), and was well-reasoned.
Comparing the two games, I would say that Yos2's behavior overall is not overly inconsistent. I would also say that (at least early in games) he is rather conservative with his vote(s), so him doing the same in this game is not a problem for me. Yos2 seems to traditionally ask questions generally and comment on current discussions, while only going after one or two people at a time, which is also consistent with this game.
Discussion catches scum in general, however, and I didn't find any of Yos2's posts very scummy (if at all) or contradictory. So, I still think Yos2 is town, although I agree I would have liked to see him present more direct cases.
I'll see if I can get around to it, but I honestly think he's scum.3.) I actually want you to read MBL’s posts again. I don’t like his play-style either (and I have told him as much before), but he does manage to draw lots of reactions from many people, and oftentimes, it’s pretty clear that’s his intent. Do you think he isscum, or justscummy?ShowFinished: 159 (120 Town, 33 Mafia, 5 Other, 1 Cult, 4 Cultivated)
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Sorry for quintiple posting (this really should've been in the last post). If anyone thinks I should put my big responses all together in one post, please say so and I'll do it that way (even though it'd make for a couple of massive posts).
What's the last line supposed to mean?MrBuddyLee wrote:Glork, I'm inclined to trust you on the Zindaras thing. I guess being kissed up to doesn't ping your scumdar like it does mine. The fact that the guy entered the game and posted War and Peace doesn't hurt his credentials either.ShowFinished: 159 (120 Town, 33 Mafia, 5 Other, 1 Cult, 4 Cultivated)
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I think my focus is broad enough. I'm focusing mainly on 5 guys, but I've expressed suspicions regarding others, and the one I want executed currently is the one who is the most useless of the bunch, if he's town.ShowFinished: 159 (120 Town, 33 Mafia, 5 Other, 1 Cult, 4 Cultivated)
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There's a huge difference between not posting and not voting. You can not vote and still contribute. You can't not post and still contribute. If someone announces they will not vote, does that make them scummier than someone who simply doesn't post?Yosarian2 wrote:No, he didn't say he wouldn't contribute, and I was never trying to imply that he did. You're trying to take my words out of context here by deleating the part of your post that I was responding to, and as you took the effort of quoting the post and then deleating your words.
The post of yours that I was responding to was this:
You said "You're attacking MOS for not deliberately not voting, but you're not attacking people who are deliberately not posting". And I pointed out the incorrect logic of your statement by saying "I will never contribue anything this game", I would vote for them. In other words, if anyone actually announced a stratagy of delibratly not posting the way MOS announced a stratagy of delibartly not voting, I would have voted for them.Zindaras wrote:For the rest, I find MoS's way of playing not in any way to hurt the town. I have quite a few entries in which MoS stated opinions, so your attack on him is based only on "he won't vote", while votes aren't even that relevant. You seem to find deliberately not casting votes as scummier than deliberately not posting.
This is the relevant quote, from Post 189:I didn't attack MoS for being a "non-contributor", and that's not true anyway; one of the main reasons I supported a Phobus lynch over the other options PJ offered yesterday was because of lack of useful contrabution on his part.
Not contributing to finding scum-->Attack.I don't see how the way you're playing here could possibly help the town in any way, or how it could possibly find scum. Especally in a game where the town has no information roles, if you're not going to help the town find scum during the day, you're going to have to die.
What could the King do with your opinions? They were pretty much all "Well, he could be scum, and he could be town."What's your point? I was trying to answer the King's question by giving quick opinions on all the people he had on his LOE, so I did a quick re-read of their posts and posted some thoughts; yes, I didn't go into a lot of detail, but it was more of a response then anyone else was giving at the time. Later, I did some more reading on the suspects, and decided that I was in favor of a Phoebus execution.
Yeah, you should do your own work.Someone else said the king should pressure lurkers, and I agreed. Is there something wrong with that?
I have considered the possibility. I'll make sure to look very long and hard at Phoebus if the people I currently suspect to be scum suddenly turn up town.#1 is a circular argument; you think I'm scum partly because I'm attacking Phoebus, who you think is pro-town, and you think I'm scum partly because I'm attacking him. It's an especally bad argument as I know you're wrong about me, a possibility you have apparently not even considered.
Like I said to MBL, I'm not so stubborn as to believe I can't be wrong. Which is why I'm currently most supporting of a Mert lynch, since he's the most useless of the people on my suspect list, if he's Town.
Nah, I know that if Phoebus dies right now and turns up scum, I'll be looked at with more suspicion. I've put him as Town now, though that is not impossible to change.Your second argument is basically "I think he's town because MOS thinks he's town", which makes me wonder if you're trying to hide behind MOS on this one; if Phoebus turns out to be scum, you can always just blame MOS.
I can restate his points, but I doubt there is much use to that.And now you're hiding behind Glork.
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By the way, it would be nice if our Mod could give out a mass prod to everyone who hasn't posted post-crash yet.ShowFinished: 159 (120 Town, 33 Mafia, 5 Other, 1 Cult, 4 Cultivated)
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Ah, yes, but you know that there will be lurkers, eventually. So why attack someone over just making a minor non-contribution, when you know there'll be people who are contributing even less later on? (And you don't even do it)Yosarian2 wrote:No, not at all. Notice, though, that I first attacked MOS for that comment back on september 15, only one day after the game started, which is a little too early to go lurker-hunting.
Why would votes be the only thing we use for connections? By doing that, you miss, I think, 80% or so of the connections.Right. I was saying that his playstyle of refusing to vote for anyone was not going to help the town find scum; votes are how we make connections between people. So yes, i was attacking him for that. If a person says they're going to act in a way that I think is not helpful to the town, of course I'm going to attack him for it.
You were supposed to be helping the king.Well, that re-read and the thoughts I put down in that post helped me figure out that I wanted Phoebus executed. I don't know if they helped anyone else form an opinion or not.
I find it odd that you attack MoS for not contributing and let all the lurkers lay low.Basically, the only real point you're attacking me with here that makes any sense at all is that you're basically saying I should have tried harder to hunt lurkers on day 1. Which is fair enough; I did use certain people's lack of participation in order to help draw conclusions about them, but I never really activally lurker hunted the way I sometimes do. However, that could also be said of most of the people in the town, very few people spent a lot of time lurker hunting on day 1.ShowFinished: 159 (120 Town, 33 Mafia, 5 Other, 1 Cult, 4 Cultivated)
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Phoebus wrote:Just kill someone already
Yos asked you a question. Answer it.
Hey Glork, are you not reading the thread or do you just not want to execute a scumbuddy?ShowFinished: 159 (120 Town, 33 Mafia, 5 Other, 1 Cult, 4 Cultivated)
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Oh, okay, I didn't know that.Glork wrote:I'm here-ish. We're starting final exams soon, so my posting will be significantly diminished over the next two weeks or so.ShowFinished: 159 (120 Town, 33 Mafia, 5 Other, 1 Cult, 4 Cultivated)
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*laughs*pablito wrote:I've recently become very suspicious of Zindaras. It's the way he entered. In some way I want to think that Zindaras did not want to do a total person-by-person analysis when he came into the game. I think that he felt compelled to do it because Luckay Luck did so.
So what you're saying is that I read the thread, then when I got to the point where LuckayLuck posted her analysis, I went back and made another re-read, this time for a Player-by-Player Analysis? Or what are you really insinuating? I'm known for making analyses like this.
Use the "View all posts by user" feature and look at MBL, CTD and Yos's posts in this thread. Then come back and see why I play like I do. As for overaggression, that's part of my playstyle.I don't get a healthy feeling when I see Zindaras posts, they feel more aggressive and they extremely lack restraint. Zindaras seems to be more focused on the offensive when he has no need to do so. It just seems very awkward and I don't get why he'd be attacking so early off of just replacing in.
Or maybe Luckay's playstyle and mine just aren't the same, which is why you're getting entirely different posts.Maybe he's trying to avoid being Rosso by continuing with pressuring others (what Rosso failed to do) or that he's trying to protect his scum buds. But there's a strong difference between Luckay Luck and Zindaras, and I don't get where Zindaras is coming from. Maybe I'm biased because they have polar opinions on me.
I've enjoyed the debates I've had so far, and they changed my outlook on the game quite a bit. Which is why I'm gunning mostly for Mert, currently.ShowFinished: 159 (120 Town, 33 Mafia, 5 Other, 1 Cult, 4 Cultivated)
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Why not?pablito wrote:Zind, I don't really care to respond to your latest post.
I do agree with your lurker thing, by the way. That's why I asked for a mass prod.
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:goodposting:pablito wrote:Yeah, but I'm also trying to go beyond the mass prod. Once they come back, we can't let them slide back into oblivion. Chances are people will be prodded, respond "hey, I'm up for a MBL lynch and here's why: X Y Z" and no one will bother to say much else. I'm glad that Yos put up his two questions though because #2 will force people to focus on who their suspicions are instead of focusing on Glork's apparent lame-duck LoE. I'd prefer to not see anyone executed until we see a majority of answers on who people would place on their own LoE. Because it's way too easy to let everything slide right now because of the lag.
I have to admit Yos's questions are very good. Everyone should answer them. In fact, I'll go ahead andVote: Phoebusand say that I'll be voting everyone who posts (content) and doesn't answer his questions.ShowFinished: 159 (120 Town, 33 Mafia, 5 Other, 1 Cult, 4 Cultivated)
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Well, at least it's an answer...Phoebus wrote:Kill anyone. I don't care.
I don't like it at all, but I'm not against letting it slide. I will be pushing for executing you tomorrow if you don't contribute, though.I am almost tempted to volunteer to put myself out of my misery but given that the fag end of this day has spanned two interruptions, I'd decided that I would contribute something on the next game day. If that is acceptable, that would be great because I'm not someone who opts out of a game for trivial reasons.
Currently, however, I just can't be arsed.
Tomorrow - after more results. Sure.
If you or any other players have a problem with this, or if the mod is concerned with this sort of attitude for the remainder of today, please do what you seem fit.
Ik hou ook van jou.Zindaras: Rot op!
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That's the list of people who haven't posted yet post-crash We need prods on these guys. Are they even posting? There are two others:
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EBWOP:Unvote: Phoebus
I forgot to do that.ShowFinished: 159 (120 Town, 33 Mafia, 5 Other, 1 Cult, 4 Cultivated)
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*laughs*
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Wasn't Mert on the LoE as well? If he's not, he really should be.ShowFinished: 159 (120 Town, 33 Mafia, 5 Other, 1 Cult, 4 Cultivated)
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Well, I can't really defend myself against that. Only that, well, Glork only said it would be nice if I could do a stream-of-consciousness post (and never asked me to give opinions on every player).pablito wrote:Oh and to respond to Zindaras about the player-by-player analysis. The reason I was questioning it was because it seemed so delayed and you were bothered by the homework assignment you were not given more than the player-by-player analysis. It wasn’t until later that you showed that you were going to do it. I don’t care if you do it in other games, but in this one, it did not seem apparent from your entry into the game that it was going to happen. That’s what tipped me off on that position.
To be honest, the main reason why I made the big post was because, well, PJ kinda inspired me to. It appeared that the original Kingmaker was famous for some great playing, and I fantasized (as PJ did, according to him) about catching all the scum in one fell swoop.ShowFinished: 159 (120 Town, 33 Mafia, 5 Other, 1 Cult, 4 Cultivated)
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Just like in a normal game, there's more to a lynch than just a vote.CrashTextDummie wrote:placing my vote = bringing it to the King's attention
What's so hard to understand about that?
Yeah, but if you want to get anywhere, it helps a whole lot.I don't need to have an extensive case on someone in order to voice my suspicion on them.
Meh. I've done it before. I'll admit I have toned down my expectations somewhat, mainly because of a similar analysis that turned out to be completely wrong on basically everyone (though it was Day 1, with considerably less players and considerably fewer posts). Which is exactly why I want Mert executed.I appreciate your little fantasy about catching all the scum in one fellow swoop, but it's too ambitious for your own good. I can tell that you're wrong about at least one of the the trees you're barking up on. Right now I think you're barking up on the wrong entire forest.
How the hell am I supposed to know that? It's not exactly obvious from the thread that this thread contained so many awesome reasonings.It would take a colossal blunder from someone like PJ for me to nail him on Day 2 of a mountainous game. What he did was not damning, but it was enough for me to be suspicious of him at the beginning of Day 2, and I voted accordingly, in a post that was longer and more thorough than the one you keep referencing, I assure you. It was lost in the crash, so I reposted a condensed version of it. Tell me what's scummy about that.
Because I know you can do better.3/4 of the players in this game are not doing what you're asking of me. Why exactly do you single me out?
I know naught of Rosso's playstyle (never played with him in a game, as far as my memory goes), but, yes, I did find his silly entrance in the game and his subsequent disappearance scummy, or at least odd.Please go back and look at Rosso's posts and tell me he deserved to be lynched over them. He's generally not the easiest fellow to read, but at the very least, he wasn't giving off bad vibes. At worst, you could say he was typical Rosso, which rarely tells you anything about his allignment.
PJ knows Rosso. I really can't picture pro-town PJ going over his posts at the last minute and thinking that he's more deserving of an execution than any other player in the game.
What I understand from Post 557 is that you voted SC for one post, which was lost, in which he contradicted himself. That seems a bit over-the-top.That's just lovely. You can't comment on what SC said (which is quite correct), but for some reason you insist that me picking up on it is hugely scummy.
Yes, I have. I put opinions about all players in my analysis.I'm sure you went over the abundance of posts that speak for StallingChamp while you were at it. I have to say, Zindaras, you're exhibiting some extreme double standards in this game.
If ubertimmy is town (something I do not find unlikely), then your vote could easily have been the beginning of a wagon.You're awfully fond of ubertimmy, aren't you? If my votes weren't "useful" in your opinion, I'm sure you'll agree that they weren't harmful either, correct?
I'm not seeing too much actual contribution from you. The only thing you've pointed out since Post 557 is a possible link between pablito and PJ.I don't consider it my job to make perfect cases so that the king may pick off all the scum one by one, because I'm not dilusional. I'm trying to contribute as best as I can and I will continue to point out what I believe to be scummy actions or players along the way, whether you like it or not.
Yup, I missed something.spectrumvoid wrote:You missed the part in Yos's post where he says he knows enough about where I stand on certain players. You also missed my somewhat reorganised PBPA. I think I've aired enough of my views.ShowFinished: 159 (120 Town, 33 Mafia, 5 Other, 1 Cult, 4 Cultivated)
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That's a lot of townie feelings, Luckay. You can't even make an entire mafia out of the guys you suspect.ShowFinished: 159 (120 Town, 33 Mafia, 5 Other, 1 Cult, 4 Cultivated)
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I'm not saying it's scummy or anything, I just find it a bit odd.LuckayLuck wrote:Truth
I tend to start adjusting after I actually get a feel for everybody. (Need to see more of Der Hammer, Pooky, Twomz, and UberTimmy). I have no doubt that some mafia lie in my townie list, but I strongly doubt they are in the 9.5 and moderately doubt they are in the 9 list.
All I can really say is that you can't execute Pooky because he's just inactive (also in several other games, must have suddenly had something come up). And the MBL/Yos/Zind execution list make me twitch. I think it needs a radical change.
At this moment in time, if there was an execution, I would want it to be Mert. But while this day is dragging out, I still think it's super-important to have those "inactives" (or their replacements) post more.
Though I do agree that Der Hammer, Pooky, Twomz and timmy need to contribute more.
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I don't think bird's play in this game is at all comparable to bird's play in Space Monkey Mafia.ShowFinished: 159 (120 Town, 33 Mafia, 5 Other, 1 Cult, 4 Cultivated)
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*does a re-read on bird's posts*
bird's play in Space Monkey was voting someone, then trying to slip off the wagon without drawing attention. Looking at his posts early on, they're not completely uncomparable.
I'll admit his Day 1 behaviour is comparable, but I'm not sure if it actually says anything about his alignment.ShowFinished: 159 (120 Town, 33 Mafia, 5 Other, 1 Cult, 4 Cultivated)
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Glorky's in exam time, if I remember correctly, and those last for the remainder of the week (again, if I'm correct). I don't think he'll be making a decision during that time, and it wouldn't be wise of him if he does so.
We're also missing a lot of players. I think we could use some replacements. And I'd like to give Ozymandius a chance to read up on the game.ShowFinished: 159 (120 Town, 33 Mafia, 5 Other, 1 Cult, 4 Cultivated)
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Depending on the contradiction, yes or no. There are contradictions I don't find scummy, and some that I do.CrashTextDummie wrote:
Would you agree that contradicting yourself is scummy?Zindaras wrote:What I understand from Post 557 is that you voted SC for one post, which was lost, in which he contradicted himself. That seems a bit over-the-top.
The fact that it didn't develop into a full-fledged 'wagon doesn't mean it couldn't do that.If I started a bandwagon, then your good buddy PJ jumped on it. Any thought on that?
I have addressed this. I think your votes are scummy because they're on people I think are town and because you seem happy with not following up on your suspicions when they're ignored.You failed to adress the one thing I was most interested in, Zindaras:
Thank you.CrashTextDummie wrote:You have made it perfectly clear by now that you don't agree with any of my votes, I get it. But I still haven't seen an argument for why they are scummy.
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Contradictions of opinions. You can shift opinions on people and contradict yourself in that way. The only contradictions I find truly damning are contradictions in roleclaims.CrashTextDummie wrote:I'd be interested in knowing what constitutes a non-scummy contradiction in your book.
It is a point against PJ, but I think there are other points that speak for PJ.What's the difference between me voting ubertimmy and PJ voting ubertimmy? Why does it make me scummy but not PJ?
Most of my opinions were based mainly on gut. You have to factor in the fact that we're on Day 2, and we only have 2 dead people, neither of which was particularly productive.You think StallingChamp is town because I attacked him and you think I'm scum because I attacked StallingChamp.
Circular logic. I'm not impressed.
Yeah, I thought you were scummy and SC was towny. But those opinions could easily change as people die.
I'm not so convinced about you anymore. Personally, I would still like to see a Mert lynch, though it's pretty much waiting right now.
Trying to get replacements, but not succeeding.ShowFinished: 159 (120 Town, 33 Mafia, 5 Other, 1 Cult, 4 Cultivated)
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Mert's AWOL.
I'm pretty sure of that. He hasn't posted in over a week.ShowFinished: 159 (120 Town, 33 Mafia, 5 Other, 1 Cult, 4 Cultivated)
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bird announced his departure as well. This is what he posted on December 8th, in Newbie 275 (a game I just replaced in, so that's why I didn't notice this before):
bird1111 wrote:As much as I hate to do this, I'm going to have to request replacement in this game, as I never got around to rereading this game, and now I'll have limited access this weekend/next week, and a 10 day vacation w/o internet soon afterShowFinished: 159 (120 Town, 33 Mafia, 5 Other, 1 Cult, 4 Cultivated)
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Mafia: 13 Wins, 15 Losses (1 Win as Cult)
Other: 3 Wins, 1 Loss (1 Win as Cult)
Cult: 0 Wins, 1 Loss
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omg Pooky got nutkicked!
(yes, this is a joke)
I'm looking forward to seeing the rest of that analysis, Pooky.ShowFinished: 159 (120 Town, 33 Mafia, 5 Other, 1 Cult, 4 Cultivated)
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But it sure as hell helps.
We've gotten a few replacements (in the Kingmaker thread), and some inactives are picking up too, apparently. I'm happy with that and look forward to their insights.
Won't work. He's gone from the site.petroleumjelly wrote:@ Mert: What do you think of Bird1111, Phoebus, and cardb0ardb0x?
I don't believe I've done this yet, soUnvote: everyone but Mert.ShowFinished: 159 (120 Town, 33 Mafia, 5 Other, 1 Cult, 4 Cultivated)
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*huggles Glork*ShowFinished: 159 (120 Town, 33 Mafia, 5 Other, 1 Cult, 4 Cultivated)
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1) No doc. I don't think it's a good strategy for the Kingmaker to just come out and claim. This basically means that we're going to doom a random player to death every day. It's possible, but it seems a bit...odd. I'm not Professor Mafia, though, so my theory may be off.
2) I think because we don't want to let the Mafia pick off the King targets. For example, if we decide that either X or Y should be king, and one of them is scum, the other's going to die.
I'm not sure, though. I can see a combination of 1 and 2 working out. If we have the Kingmaker claim, the Mafia will kill him. We'll get a new Kingmaker, he'll claim. This way, the Mafia can't go around killing off the best players. Which also gives us the opportunity to talk more freely about who we think should be King.
I could be horribly wrong though.ShowFinished: 159 (120 Town, 33 Mafia, 5 Other, 1 Cult, 4 Cultivated)
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It just feels a bit...wrong, to be honest. It really should be the King making the decisions.ShowFinished: 159 (120 Town, 33 Mafia, 5 Other, 1 Cult, 4 Cultivated)
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I'd be disappointed with a Pooky execution, personally.ShowFinished: 159 (120 Town, 33 Mafia, 5 Other, 1 Cult, 4 Cultivated)
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Mafia: 13 Wins, 15 Losses (1 Win as Cult)
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