I love the 90's Cartoons - Game over all hail The Brain!

[Porochaz]

Oh and the reason why I am suspecting you is your lynch hunger for Pere, even if what your saying is true and you have a guilty, surely its better to no-lynch today regardless for the people who dont have your info.

[Porochaz]

Have you read my posts, LS? Pere is acting like he did in Paranoia and I don't think he would deliberately mark himself as town in his analysis since that is taboo on this site.

If Pere gets lynched and flips town, Poro you are sheeping my ass until kingdom come.

Oh and there is this stuff as well.

I pretty much think your lying to get your own way.

[Porochaz]

That day was yesterday. Your claim doesn't really add up. It's not that I don't like you. Its more, Ive seen you pull shit before to get your way and at LYLO thats not a risk Im going to take.

Unfortunately, your actions recently have failed to seem town recently. So whilst your previous action dictate that you are most likely town, Im starting to have my doubts. There is a lot today I dont understand, like swords obsession, jals grumpiness and your over eagerness/claim.

[Porochaz]

vote count

Peregrine (1) seanald
No Lynch (3) Porochaz, Jal, Peregrine, Oversoul


with 6 alive it will take 4 to lynch
deadline is november 30th, 8:00 am EST

Is that vote count absolutely correct?

[Porochaz]

...

VOTE: no lynch

Mod,

OS voted here, thats the last vote as Im aware, your initial post suggested it didnt count, I was checking that.

[Porochaz]

When some mods allow no lynch at L-1 why would it be different either.

Why ask the last question?

[Porochaz]

Players may vote to No Lynch; a no lynch will occur if a majority of players vote for no lynch or if no majority is achieved by deadline.

[Porochaz]

...

VOTE: no lynch

Mod,

OS voted here, thats the last vote as Im aware, your initial post suggested it didnt count, I was checking that.

I saw post 2938 that was an unvote and vote for Peregrine.
Let me know if there was something else I missed.

mod

doesn't that mean no lynch hit majority?

[Porochaz]

I still don't get why you needed to know the PR thing.

Most likely scum is pere.
Most likely couple is jal and sword. Getting extremely bad vibes off both of them together. Just as an example, sword stepping in to end the day between seanald and jal interests me.

God does that mean that by process of elimination I have to find seanald town?

Looks like I doesn't matter in regards to voting majority for no lynch.

[Porochaz]

Im going to say the immortal words that is going to send Oversoul flying into a rage in the dead qt...

I think its sword and jal. Oversoul set himself up as the next death, regardless of him telling the truth or not.

[Porochaz]

Oh here we go...

In lylo, yeah, if you can, you probably should, probably not reluctantly either.

Regardless OS has been known to lie. Its not too much of a jump for me to believe you have taken advantage.

[Porochaz]

Or porochaz. How much more fucking ridicoulous can you get poro?

Hey, consider all the possibilities. OS basically lied himself through the game to get what he wanted, so yeah, its more likely than you think. Also your flip flopping like mad.

[Porochaz]

fair enough, But peregrine will die today, that is a must. OS flipped TOWN, he wouldn't leave us with a lie when it could lose us the entire game just not going to happen regardless of his previous actions in other days.

Who do you think is Peregrines buddy though porochaz?

No pere should be strongly considered today. Remember we are in lylo. OS would COMPLETELY leave us with a lie just to get his own way. What Im trying to work out is whether he has or not.

Considering I am currently working on the assumption that Pere is town. I dont think pere has a buddy. Stop asking stupid questions.

[Porochaz]

Before any of us do anything else. We need 2 things to happen.

1. Pere needs to post. Like in front of anyone else.
2. Sword needs to "prove" he is town.

[Porochaz]

Guess who has had 28 hours to prove he is town and he has failed to deliver.

s w _ r d / _ f / _ m e n s

[Porochaz]

Missed the v/la but no I didn't.

[Porochaz]

Uhm... no I didn't

lrn2rd

I say 2 things need to happen
Then I list them
Nowhere do I say its an ordered list.

[Porochaz]

You are an absolute fucking idiot, you know that.

[Porochaz]

Because his role isnt in question. His results are.

Besides I never said I believed his Seanald result either.

[Porochaz]

Look, you guys are trying to pin me down here. If I was making a definitive opinion I would vote. I need these two things done currently, because I don't trust oversoul completely and I have a theory I want to try out. I have these two outstanding questions. I then have a follow up question and then I profit and hopefully in turn you do as well.

[Porochaz]

On my phone...

@Seanald...no I stated I cam prove i'm town...Poro has nothing to do with it...

@Poro, I should probably wait til tomorrow to prove it...
If I get killed tonight over Seanald, you will know i'm town anyway..
Also, if I was partners with Jal, we would have quick lynched Pere and won already...
OS isnt lying...and you know this...

You need to prove it now.

[Porochaz]

On my phone...

@Seanald...no I stated I cam prove i'm town...Poro has nothing to do with it...

@Poro, I should probably wait til tomorrow to prove it...
If I get killed tonight over Seanald, you will know i'm town anyway..
Also, if I was partners with Jal, we would have quick lynched Pere and won already...
OS isnt lying...and you know this...

You need to prove it now.

[Porochaz]

I will heavily push your lynch today if you do not tell me in the next post - stop stalling.

[Porochaz]

Paraphrasing a role PM takes seconds, fabricating a good fakeclaim takes an eternity. - DGB

[Porochaz]

I will heavily push your lynch today if you do not tell me in the next post - stop stalling.

Answer my questions poro

Your questions are dumb. Stop asking them.

[Porochaz]

also note who are the active ones right now, you, me and poro. I think its cuz we are town and want to see us win this game.

God Seanald. Shut. the. Hell. Up.

You are not helping. Like this whole game, you are not adding anything, you are just being a pain.

Jal, response.

[Porochaz]

Actually nothing is wrong with my RL atm. But you have grated all game and god there is a point I have given up on you saying something useful and just want you to go away.

[Porochaz]

Sword, lay a vote on Pere and see what happens.

Im struggling here, my thought process has to make you town, purely through process of elimination. But god, you keep making posts like this and Im like: GAHSCUMMYFUCKERVOTEVOTEVOTE!!!

So I repeat, shut up. You are a distraction I dont need.

[Porochaz]

I doubt Oversoul would have wasted an investigation on Seanald..I'm pretty certain his predecessor was the one that investigated him...OS only stated the Seanald= town because everyone was still looking at seanald as a lynch candidate...
anyways, we are getting off point...

right now, this moment,
Who do you think is scum?

Its interesting that you are now considering Oversoul lying.

[Porochaz]

I doubt Oversoul would have wasted an investigation on Seanald..I'm pretty certain his predecessor was the one that investigated him...OS only stated the Seanald= town because everyone was still looking at seanald as a lynch candidate...
anyways, we are getting off point...

right now, this moment,
Who do you think is scum?

You should probably answer this first by the way.

[Porochaz]

Because some of us are trying to work out who scum are.

You know, playing the game...

[Porochaz]

calm down angry man, calm down.

question actually holds weight considering Swords statement below.

Why hasn’t Peregrine been quick-lynched today?
Because he is scum.

condradictory in a way considering sword isn't helping in an obvscum lynch.

and all this time isn't pro-town, your giving more time for obvscum to wifom this shit up. also you can have a possible 2 people removed from the game to make selection easier.

there is like what over 120 pages? more than enough information to find out who is scum, if your relying on right now to decide that means you didnt play very much earlier or you don't give a shit to remember.

Okay so he needs to explain that. I dont particularly believe or care in "wifoming this shit up" especially as Im getting useful info out of it. Your either scum or retarded if you think that removing 2 people before we are ready will help. Let me spell it out. A. What if we're wrong initially, and B. Who then dies if we are successful.

For me, currently its 50/50 as to hitting scum, hit scum and then a town dies. Guess what, it will still be 50/50!

The previous 120 pages help but that doesn't mean we automatically stop! I understand that this game has become a burden to you because you cant be assed playing properly and really want to say "I didnt get replaced out of this one!" So want to get it done as fast as possible, but hey the most useful information I have gleaned this game is from the past few pages.

Also sword, I haven't fully decided yet. I want this conversation between you and Jal to reach a head.

[Porochaz]

I am away until sunday evening. Try not to do something stupid and listen to seanald whilst im gone.

[Porochaz]

vote pere

you haven't convinced me otherwise and lets be honest here, we can't ignore Oversoul.

[Porochaz]

Ok so its down to me and not the person who couldnt give a shit. I have my opinion on who the last scum is. Prove me right or wrong.

[Porochaz]

Posting.

[Porochaz]

I wont be voting until Ive had a look through, but you do need to respond.

[Porochaz]

Will look through when Im less tired.

[Porochaz]

Sorry was letting this continue and computer system failure at work caused problems. I am away at the moment so might be a few more days.

[Porochaz]

I have a train today where I plan to give this my priority.

[Porochaz]

Except the power sockets on the train dont work...

[Porochaz]

I will. Stay calm. Im just pissing off those in the dead qt.

No seriously, I have been away on holiday, so havent had much time to look over the walls of text.

[Porochaz]

Do you seriously have nothing else to say, Sword?

I was going to ask this...

[Porochaz]

Couldn't be helped.

I've done about 66% of what I wanted to read up on.

Jal, Im not happy with your interactions with MSH during the second half of his tenure.

[Porochaz]

"with" should probably read "about".

[Porochaz]

mod what time on the 21st

[Porochaz]

Page 110 - Going after Seanald, a good thing to. Hes playing awfully, the combination of the oversoul sheeping and the berating of pere makes this a good place to put a vote. Then pere digs himself a hole that he wont get out of

Page 111 - Is me playing terribly just vote Pere already. Jal makes a good post earlier on on the page. Jal puts the vote down. Oversoul makes a terrible post in 2764. Dont have two sentences directly contradicting each other. Jal then roughly picks up on what Im thinking.

Page 112 - Quote from MSH from a sword post

that leaves Amrun, Peregrine and Sword as scumcandidates.

Would MSH really put all 3 scumbuddies on the firing line?

Post 2778 should be interesting... Reviewing Jal...
I agree 2150 doesn't smack of a townie thing to say.

Finally I vote Pere.

At the risk of beating a dead horse... Seanald still shit.

Pere makes Oversoul delay whilst humping sword. This is where he should have been lynched.

Page 113 - Swords reasons for why pere are town aren't good. OS's effort comments are crappy and show a lack of actual content (sorry but its true) Heh, I stick to OS, and Seanald doing his usual "OS IS AWESOME!1!!" routine. Seriously why join a game just to hump someone all the way through it.

Page 114 - I hate Hugh Jackman.

Post 2833, Seanalds right. Jals emotions seem out of touch for the suspicions being laid upon her. THAT SAID, this unfortunately, because its the two of you clashing, seems like a non issue. OS made a good case on LS, shame it was wrong.

Page 115 - Sword hammers LS (town) over Pere (scum)

Page 116 - Ah yes the sword trying to make OS lose his vote thing. Ah that was quite scummy. OS obviously had a post restriction and obviously was town... Jal support sword urgh. That said I am struggling to work out where OS was on the PR punishment list.

Page 117 - Was a little stupid there...

OS thinks Jal is scum.

Confused as hell just now, Sword pushing the PR thing is pissing me off.

Page 118 - The whole lying thing now makes sword look really bad.

Page 119 - The mods vote count and then correction which still is probably wrong is so god-damn confusing. Jal wondering about OS makes me a sad panda.

Page 120 - Not happy with swords explanation of his behaivour over the past couple of pages. The mods votecounts are still confusing me, god no wonder I got so angry at this stage of the game. Amused at my predictions.

Ah right, get it now. Never mind.

2998 - Jeeps tell right there.
2999 - Isn't much better but makes sense.

Page 121 - I hate reading myself over. Who is the dumbest person in the game? Well, its close. But Im in with a good shout.

Oh yay, the proving town thing. This was fantastic.

Seanald is funny and Oversoul V3.0. It was a shame however that they brought out the 2.0 and 3.0 version together, especially since 3.0 was so much inferior. I mean I know I should focus but God, you fanny around and sheep for most of the game then you have the audacity to tell me that Im fucking ridiculous. I am, but you don't get to say it.

I should point out however that while I was considering the possibility of OS lying I was still going to vote Pere and 3012 I remember being sure I was but kept playing this thread longer. Seanald forcing me into thinking his way was annoying.

It was partially spiting oversoul that I was suggesting he was lying.

I take an intake of breath as Seanald votes going "what an idiot" then I see I posted it.

Page 122 - Delay on swords side. He is also certain that he knows hes going to be alive the next day. More stalling... smacks of dug himself into a hole. He hasnt given a good reason to not post why he is conf-town so I am struggling to see why he hasn't just posted it.

Jal is right in 3048, when I ruined the whole vest thing, there was no reason for OS not to fully post. Whats more, claiming everything immediately is a lot less risky strategy. The whole thing is full of holes and seems like a desperate attempt at staying town. It all hinges on a simple statement from OS which could have been incidental. Your proof has never held water.

Page 123 - Ah I picked up on the contradiction I missed on this reread, Sword deciding when OS is lying...

Post 3064 - Is amusing, but Ill explain why in my conclusion. But its partially because I use "wifoming this shit up" which makes me giggle.

For the record, I would have killed OS at that point despite the claim if I was scum, okay it clears and condemns one of my team mates but I wouldnt have risked having what is essentially a cop around any longer. Also despite my dislike of his play, I can't exactly say he isn't a good player.

Pere votes himself. Doesn't really do much.

Page 124 - I feel sorry for Porkchop.

I find it weird that I was chosen over Seanald, he is a lot more of a loose cannon.

Jals massive post.

As an aside. As a dyslexic, this page is hell for me especially this post. I have looked through it before and am only completely analysing it now. There are a number of good points in it, but god, it could have been more concise.

The whole proving he is town at the expense of everything else is my fault. However the whole lynch pere and be done stance makes the point still stand. Swords defence against Jals points fail to engage or make any true point to make me thing "huh, shes wrong about that one"

The redirect ability allows me to choose a player then send any actions to another player of my choosing (also it would be useful as a scum ability - by the by)

Page 125 - Post 3111 is bad WIFOM and not really the answer to the more major points made against you.

Hee hee, I tried something earlier, Sword didn't take the bait and Jal didn't post and this can't wait much longer.

ooh new post. Hey this is passionate, this makes me feel like I might be wrong here. Good Job... except I check the facts. The multiple people posts, I see a lot of luckyjt, OS and Michael, only one of which is scum. The seanald thing... and?

Conclusion

Here is how I approached the day.

I looked through the votecounts, Jal won that battle, just.
I then went your iso's focusing on how you interacted with scum, Jal won once again, but there were doubt there about her relationship with MSH.

Today I read through all the posts from Day 8/9 whatever day started on 109 onwards.

Sword won the early pages but then Jal took over later on.

I may have done other stuff I have forgotten about.

Basically my feelings of todays analysis has been that Jal has had scummy posts but a lot of it has been minor stuff. A lot of it I can justify and go well I guess... or dismiss it as somewhat minor.

Sword on the other hand has a lot less minor things, but the game has unravelled from beneath him. There is also 3 major points that I can't let slip by.

1. The PR thing.

Unneeded and if he is scum, he could have pretty much win the game right there. It didn't make much sense especially from a townie standpoint.

2. The L/S Pere vote.

If you are unhappy and have 3 days left then why choose one of the two? This wasn't a point I made, but its a good one that damns you.

3. The "I Can Prove Im Town" argument.

Was a load of bullshit wasn't it?

Then there is the fact that the majority of Jals big post remains unanswered. All the points I wanted you to counter, you didn't. Your case against her didn't really hold up.

And when comparing you, she is a lot more aggressive, a lot more stereotypically townie than you are. She asks the right questions and you, well... don't. Not in the latter days.

To annoy everyone, I came into this day, knowing what I was going to do. I also did what I have been doing consistently from the start. Allowing discussion to take place.

I knew at the end of yesterday (game day) I would vote for sword in the end.
I know now Im going to vote for sword. In fact I pretty much knew from the whole PR thing, that a sword vote was the way I was going to go. Which is why I find post 3064 funny.

I gave you a chance to dig yourself out. You failed. Not even just a little.

I have roughly, 15 hours. You don't have nearly that long. But I want you to admit your scum in a lost cause. Or have one very final attempt at proving to me your town.

[Porochaz]

Sad then, really...
I have asked you ti let me address any questions and you wait tul now..
I left work sick today and am checking in on my phone where I have reception..
I wont be able to get to a computer until prob tomorrow and by then it will be too late...
Ill try and get somewhere I can actually sit and pot something together but from a phone it's gonna be a bit hard.
I am not scum, Poro..
Testi.g OS for his restrictiin was a small safeguard..we were going to no vote that day.
With everyone unsure of who wa s what I thought it wouldnt hurt to prove he had one..it was a small chance but il l take what I can get. Funny you damn me for that when even Jal didnt argue with it.
Also Seanakd was under heavy suspicion and avoided a lynch on day 1, He wa s a big question mark after that ..
he would have ben a good target for OS's pred.
When OS came out with his claim how come he didn't cal me scum?
Scum knew he had a power role..remember Jal even corrects me telling OS that I was probing a post restriction, not Powet Tole..

If you voye me, we both lose...

Wounded puppy and AoE aside. (I hope you feel better soon though)

You address my three concluding points as the priority.

Jal didn't argue with it, thats true, I don't agree with Jal in regards to that but still, she didn't push it. Also I had a post restriction and if he was faking one, how would that effect whether he was scum or town?

I also don't get your point. Why would OS know whether you were scum or not?

[Porochaz]

In other news, I completely glossed over the third party thing. Count that as a point in your favour Sword.

[Porochaz]

You have around 10 hours.

[Porochaz]

Sword on the other hand has a lot less minor things, but the game has unravelled from beneath him. There is also 3 major points that I can't let slip by.

1. The PR thing.

Unneeded and if he is scum, he could have pretty much win the game right there. It didn't make much sense especially from a townie standpoint.

2. The L/S Pere vote.

If you are unhappy and have 3 days left then why choose one of the two? This wasn't a point I made, but its a good one that damns you.

3. The "I Can Prove Im Town" argument.

Was a load of bullshit wasn't it?

Then there is the fact that the majority of Jals big post remains unanswered. All the points I wanted you to counter, you didn't. Your case against her didn't really hold up.

[Porochaz]

I mean you have me doubting myself slightly so I commend you on that, but when it boils down to it, I personally think the whole OS thing was pretty clear cut and I dont know why you had to check it.

The only conclusion I can come up with is that you were frantically searching for an out. You should have never changed your vote once it was set.

The main thing I keep coming back to is point 3. I can prove Im town. I can't see how you are going to convince me otherwise. You stalled hugely, then when you finally "proved" it, it was a lot of conjecture and extrapolation of OS's posts without any proof.

If you want me to believe you are town you need to explain:
How O/S's post restriction would have helped you determine whether he was scum?
How it wasn't clear that MS was only given role names?
Why you stalled for so long on the proof of town?
How the extrapolation of O/S's posts provided conclusive proof you were town?

Im going to bed for what looks like 6 hours.

[Porochaz]

Im here, as far as I've worked out, I have 55 minutes.

[Porochaz]

Jal says I keep saying town mentality and scum mentality..and the reason I say that is because I want you to know the difference. Town has to guess and deduce and try to understand all the shit that’s going on, whereas scum works with inside knowledge. I had no inside knowledge nor does it look like I do at any point. Jal looks like she does, as I’ve explained already, and she blew up when I called her out on it..and that’s not typical of her play this game at all…

This was in my considerations.

The problem is and where you ultimately fail is that there is logic there but not enough to hide any shortcomings.

The way you see things going down are not the way I saw things. For instance, I couldnt care less what OS thought you meant, I cared about the intent behind it. I was also pretty confident MS didn't get anything more than role names.

Your first and last line of 3118 also strike me as off. Its a minor thing and might just be a language thing, but I hadn't voted yet. You act like all is lost. You don't ever say town in that post, you refer to the loss as your own (and at the end, mine as well)

[Porochaz]

I looked at FF, very different scenario to here.

Not convinced.

Oh god, I hope Im correct...

vote sword

[Porochaz]

LAST HAMMAH EVER!!!

[Porochaz]

Gah I need to know whether I've done awesomely in the last couple of days or just ended a shit game (for me) even more shitly...

[Porochaz]

If you are not scum trolling me then you should know that you should have never tried to prove you were town. It wasn't out there, from an outsiders perspective it didn't prove a thing it just served to condemn you.

[Porochaz]

From a critical point of view, I played badly in the last day in that I should have posted with more time to spare, unfortunately I was unable. That said, throughout the two larger conversations between sword and Jal, Jal came out with some strong points some of which didn't get answered, basically she came out all guns blazing and you responded to a couple of the points then proceeded to attack but with a lot of weaker points, which would have been fine if you had answered all the previous points.

As I said during the game, I also failed to add up a lot of your later day posts. What you were doing didn't make sense from a town perspective. I'd be interested to hear what other town members thought going into this day...

[Porochaz]

Worst player ever wow......

Pretty sure you are talking about yourself there.

[Porochaz]

Like, you all fucking suck

, like I am driunk ansd I can see thsat RBT is as scummy as hell.

Letsd all now look at the douche-o-meter and yes. I can see that 21 of you have hit the "being an absolute douchebag for not voting RBT" section and RBT has hit the top of it for being, like scum or something.

I know this is from like 100 pages ago, but it brings up a point. Note that he says we all suck. Now, let's look at his late game performance. "insert crap from Day 11 and Day 12". Yeah, you pretty much know what I'm saying. Why would you say that everyone sucks when you end up costing the Town the game during a lylo which was SO obvious to begin with. Not to mention you take 5 days to think about who to lynch. Seriously, WTF?

So Poro, it seems to you that everyone who sucks gets killed before endgame when the ones who act stupid throughout the game die. Now, I'm not trying to make it sound like the Scum win should have never happened. Oh no, I actually don't mind the Scum winning this one. All I'm hoping for is that we don't have something like this happen again where someone who acts more stupid than me to a majority of the people in the game. (Which is the reason why everyone blames me for losses like this.)

I don't know what's up with people these days. I get policy lynched in almost all of my games but I end up being better off staying alive than being killed. I know I sound crazy, but a mini Normal game that I played about a month ago proves this.

Anyway, this game lasted for a LONG time and ever since I was dead, I was thinking about how this game would end. Would it end with Poro getting his head back in the game or would the result that just happened happen? Nonetheless, I really hope that another game like this is hosted and I like to thank Farside for hosting this game. It was a blast and I look forward to playing another one of your games.

First, let me call you an ass. Your an ass.

Second, that post was made drunkenly and as part of an obvious push on an RBT lynch. It wasn't actually saying you all suck in general just for not voting RBT. I also remember you mostly hindering town while you were alive so don't you dare act holier than thou against me, you may have been more active than me but you helped just as much if not less. If you want to know why you get lynched in almost every game, its usually because you are playing as well as I did in that game there. You did not play well.

The fact is lylo wasn't obvious. Well to me, it was obvious in the other direction. The amount of times I have gone wrong because I have focused on the little things Jal was doing rather than the huge massive things that sword was doing and have failed. Sword did a good job at the end of the day to make me doubt myself but the fact was I didn't understand his thought process and actually I still don't and if I was in this situation again, I would do the EXACT same thing.

As for my conduct, I think I played absolutely terribly in the first 2/3rds of the game and can't really get pissy for that. But then for most of the rest of it I was trying to make up for it and couldn't. Maybe I should have replaced out knowing that I couldn't have changed opinions. My sense of not having replaced out in 100 odd games overrided it. I think once I claimed and tried wrestling control away from OS, who I felt the rest of the players were blindly following, I started playing a better if still unpopular game.

I regret the final day, in that I wanted to make sure that the fighting between Jal and Sword went on for as long as neccesary. I said early on that something was always off about Jal which is why I didnt vote straight off. I also wanted a reread. But by that point, sword had dug himself into a hole and I wasn't sure how he could be town. In the end, my work, my works virus scare and my train breaking down all helped in not allowing me to do a full reread until late on. Which is a shame, if I had had the time, I would have walked through swords thought process step by step.

Thoughts on other players,

Jal, sword you both played amazingly well. As did Amrun initially, I got really angry when I found I had given you stuff.

PM your unlikely to listen to me, but your whole claim thing was terrible play, I would assume scum kept you around as long as they did because you significantly helped their goals. If I was scum I would have kept you around. (reason 1 we lost)

Looking back Im not sure how we didnt see through the rolecop claim sooner. (sorry sword) It was obvious, and us failing to do so is I think, the second of the three reasons we lost.

Seanald I may have been quite harsh to you this game but honestly, what the hell is the point in joining a game not only to rush through it but to fail to make any meaningful contribution, just sheeping the person who shouts the loudest. Its annoying, I can't imagine it was fun for you, so whats the point?

Oversoul, we fought, probably a bit too personally, I generally got quite upset with the things you said, in retrospect a lot of it was fair. I am mainly angry at the people who followed you blindly not you yourself. By the end, I respected your opinion, even though I thought it was completely wrong. I quite liked playing with you though in the end.

Farside. I know you like your odd roles and complex games, and I know scum won, but this game really should have gone to town on balance alone. To me, it seems extremely in towns favour.

I also got very frustrated with the nights. Maybe others could weigh in, but I felt like they dragged on forever. (ironic, I know) I know its difficult as well, but more vote counts would have been nice.

However thanks for the game, I didn't play my best and the third major reason was my delay in getting lylo done, however I really enjoyed it.

[Porochaz]

Oh, I didn't actually post the post I thought I posted (hence why I began my previous post with also).

But it was kind of mean so let me just say I'm kind of disappointed that you guys MLd me over obvscum Pere for no real reason. The apology from OS was nice though.

Probably the worst mistake of this game.

I was seriously going to hammer Pere and ten investigate you, which would have left Jal a sitting duck but I went for the opposite.

I still don't know why we NL'd the day I outted Pere.

*sigh*

I'm done with this game (Mafia). Nothing like three straight losses to kill your mood.

I'll see y'all round when I see ya.

Fourth reason.

We no lynched because there was no reason not to, and we got more info and we didn't understand fully what you were saying and if you were lying which you were prone to do then we lost.

[Porochaz]

Oh, I didn't actually post the post I thought I posted (hence why I began my previous post with also).

But it was kind of mean so let me just say I'm kind of disappointed that you guys MLd me over obvscum Pere for no real reason. The apology from OS was nice though.

Probably the worst mistake of this game.

I was seriously going to hammer Pere and ten investigate you, which would have left Jal a sitting duck but I went for the opposite.

I still don't know why we NL'd the day I outted Pere.

*sigh*

I'm done with this game (Mafia). Nothing like three straight losses to kill your mood.

I'll see y'all round when I see ya.

Fourth reason.

We no lynched because there was no reason not to, and we got more info and we didn't understand fully what you were saying and if you were lying which you were prone to do then we lost.

[Porochaz]

Oh also, I was just reminded.

Farside, I really really disagree with your decision to let oversoul back in once he got lynched. I understand he had no additonal info, but his presence as version 1 was so great that it definitely influenced version 2. I mean as I say, I dont have a problem with oversoul and I could potentially understand why you chose him rather than find another. But I felt that it influenced the game badly.

[Porochaz]

Im not retiring after as bad a loss and as bad a game as that.

Im going for a mini now. I hope that if you see me enter another game, you will look at some of my other games as an indicator and try and push this one to the side.

[Porochaz]

Heh, read the dead qt, I really pissed a few people off. I guess since the mod has me on ignore (!) she won't read my criticism or care. Felt I may have been a bit harsh on PM until I read post 84, wow. Seanald, heh.

Sorry Fuki, I really am.

[Porochaz]

*Fuji

I tried with lylo, I hope you see that OS.

Maybe people who found Jal to be obvscum could explain why?

[Porochaz]

To be honest I was frustrated at work, trying to get done for the holidays and get online to at least read, then I was told to disconnect from the network, then shut the computer down, meaning not only did I not have time for the game, but I left a fuckload to do for my cover.

[Porochaz]

Jal you played really well, and thanks for the vote of confidence.

I dont feel I played well, I can understand some of the criticism Im getting (although PM is a bit OTT) I made some weird ass decisions but a lot of that was keeping options open, Im getting paranoid in my old age?

MS immediately deciding to fakeclaim rolecop was an interesting one. Oh he actually got roles as well... Im happy that scum didnt see the sword thing...

Oversoul did you actually ever investigate sword?

[Porochaz]

Hey, ask Tierce, when we played at Scumburgh, I was the chooser in lylo 3 times with her. Every single time I lynched her. Every single time I was wrong.

[Porochaz]

She basically hated me by the end.

[Porochaz]

Ah if I had got to Day 4, you would have got some videos out of me. Joan Rivers I would have no idea what to do with.

[Porochaz]

I lost my Restricton after I got my power role.