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Arrived. 126 was in the wrong game, details withheld for o8bvious reasons, and I fail to see how there's anything weird about my confirmation post either. Epic, Titan and SAD, admirable as trying to catch people is Confirmation stage is, it only really works as reaction testing from what I've seen. Which is admittedly low amounts, but still.
As for everything else: VOTE: Vifam. That was an odd u-turn, and 4th man on an (effectively) page 1 wagon?
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Titan: I'm not alarmed by the 4 man wagon, I just feel that the 3rd and 4th men on a wagon are the most suspicious, ESPECIALLY when they were calling me townie in the previous post, all of MINUTES prior.Current Losing Streak: 4 (record: 9)
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The third and 4th men are not suspicious because of quicklynching potential (of which there is basically NONE in this large a game), but because they are jumping on a bandwagon after it's started rolling, but before it's picked up much speed. Enough that they won't be accused of jumping on the bandwagon, but not enough that they have to think, over parroting the existing arguments. Also, the u-turn was STILL the more important of the two.Current Losing Streak: 4 (record: 9)
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In post 429, Titan wrote:Actually yea,
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Vote: Robocopter
Tammy feel free to change this.
And Phill can get vigged tonight so yea.
Not gonna happen, titan.
In any case, I can see the arguments on robo. Remind me of this post in about 6 hours if possible, I intend to go through everything and churn out a decent reads list as soon as possible. This is likely to be a one time only thing until it gets down to few enough players to do it easily. Until then, UNVOTE:Current Losing Streak: 4 (record: 9)
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In post 490, AurorusVox wrote:Reads at the end of quantum mechanics and alcoholism debate stage:
Vote: Alsark
Nacho, Alduskkel and Epic are all town.
Vifam's probably not.
Titan, if you think the game can be broken, why would you feel cheated UNLESS YOU WERE SCUM? Also confirmed as not reading the thread
VOTE: Titan
Nexus so town.
Malpscamp do you really think he's being srs? CE and Phil as well? What's wrong with you all?
I love you
Wrong game, as noted later
In post 494, AurorusVox wrote:In post 229, Nikanor wrote:also vifam is probably scum too.
like holy shit going from reading his f62 posts to reading these posts is like watching a honey badger transform into a sea cucumber.In post 230, Phillammon wrote:PEdit: Yes. Also, interesting metaphor.
It's a simile.
Acknowledged later.
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NOTE: ALL READS THAT FOLLOW ARE MILD AT BEST.
PROBABLY TOWN
Phillammon- There is basically no way this guy can be scum.
xtopherusD- I was gonna say slightly scummy, but then suddenly 338.
Nachomamma8- Hunting. Questioning. Lurking but admitting to it. These are good things.
Epic (petapan/Empire)- Sounded out thought processes are townie. Even if one head of the hydra is off its meds.
Pandorica (faraday/nexus)- Analytical, and to be fair, if this slot isn't town, I'm doomed anyway.
Sunshine and Rainbows (shadoweh and working manju)- 435 is GOOD STUFF.
Porfervor (Hydra of Someone)- Is at the very least keeping up and commenting, even if those comments are of questionable usefulness.
Noir- Terribad posting, but at least posting and keeping up, and occasionally being insightful.
Nikanor- Trying to work through things and is apparently doing single analysis, judging by most recent post alone.
MAYBE NOT TOWN
Titan (Ser Arthur Dayne/Tammy)- OMGUS mostly, but also suicidal overconfidence in "scumhunting" (I believe I've played with both heads before, I'll doublecheck meta to be safe)
combinatorialEnigma- Feels like active lurking, though I can't really talk on the matter. I like 137, though, you are now QOTD.
Alduskkel- You know what's worse than active lurking? Actual lurking. Your ISO is one of the shortest and still says NOTHING.
malpascp- Just not particularly liking anything in the ISO.
Paschendale- Yeah. No. Joking aside... No.
SoraAdvent- Luuurking.
Vifam- My view has already been made clear.
numberQ- Was gonna call nullish lurking, but refusal to read the game at this stage? Not a good precedent.
BT- Just start the game implies that you'll join in with it.
8UGGERED IF I CAN GUESS
ζ (lowercaseZeta)- Post more, also talk about something that wasn't clearly a joke.
AurorusVox- Genuinely reading through. I'll wait to pass judgment, but things are looking good.
DeasVail- Nothing particularly good, nothing particularly bad. A bit odd at times, but seems to be in the same boat as me.
Cheery Dog- Last post bugs me, but nothing jumps out at me.
buldermar- Lurking, but justified.
torgonitoh- I don't even.
ActionDan- He's in this game?
GaryOak- Who?
BroodKingEXE- Lurking, but with a decent attitude, at least.
Alsark- Weird speculation and forwardness early, and nothing of note later, really.
Guy_Named_Riggs- Until the game starts and beyond, it would seem.
Robocopter87- Not actually seeing anything wrong with his ISO. Though I fail to see what he sees in Vifam, but we can agree to disagree.
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I honestly don't care if it looks like I'm parroting, because I went through each person in isolation. I literally did not see the arguments already being made until I ISOd the people making them, and I basically ignored them at that point. SED, yes, Regalia, but now I come to think that was the one game I have replaced out of, so it may be a tad iffy. Still, meta exists in my wiki if anyone wants it. Also, could you elaborate on what you mean by awkward posting?Current Losing Streak: 4 (record: 9)
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In post 557, ζ wrote:Phillammon's reads are useless, and he is probably scum.
Primarily off the back of this post, I'd like to see the "Let's see you do better" clause. Before criticising mine, make your own reads clear. What your saying here is ambiguous at best and just a flat out insult at worst. If we have a comparison, we can argue over the specific people you disagree with me about. This is not entirely pointed at zeta, to be clear, this is at EVERYONE. In fact, if we can have a fair few people being at least open with their thought processes, this a good thing too.Current Losing Streak: 4 (record: 9)
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I have to add myself to the torg is awesome pool. Also, that's some pretty solid analysis there. Not got long, but: Pash's replacing out feels like a scum reaction to me, Cheerydog looks like scum trying to look town rather than genuinely town, and Nacho is looking very town over the last few pages.Current Losing Streak: 4 (record: 9)
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No, u.
I'm not trying to be worthless, I'm having issue enough getting off even small posts atm due to lack of time and being in the middle of bloody nowhere with nowt but a kindle. I can't ISO, readback or quote while making a post, I was just reporting in to say yes I'm keeping up and giving the major feelings that I could remember and get down. Speakingof which, I echo noir's sentiment and wish for a pasch lynch at the minute.
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Okay.Have returned from V/LA now, currently prioritizing other games, but, as I said, I have been reading, I have had some reads change slightly, I may do another rehash of the readlist later. One read that hasn't changed is the paschtaz slot. Lynch it with fire still sounds good to me.Current Losing Streak: 4 (record: 9)
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Tazaro, I'm happy to be called scum if you are willing to give reasoning. Same on the other two, but the former directly affects me. Meanwhile, I'd be happy to sit here and tellyou why you are scu. On a kindle, so I may misremember and there willbe no quotes, but still.
1. Your predecessor. Regardless of whether you think he is an idiot or not, his actions were in your slot, and everything up to and including his replace out were awful.
2. Your interactions with torg. Torg may well be a gimmick alt. This has no bearing whatsoever on his alignment. Trying to claim that his reasonably well justified read must be a joke because sun has the same number of letters as bad is not a remotely legitimate or justifiable course of action. Refusing to read his reactions and rebuttals on grounds of grammar is even worse. Unrelated, it's grammar, get it right lest the pot call the kettle black.
8. On this page alone, your interaction with robo. Accusing someone of active lurking off the back of one post wherein he has been making a decent effort to hunt in a vast majority of his ISO (or at least that which isn't interaction with noir) is not a good move. Even less so is your attempt to imply jokes = scumnIn the next post. It isn't scummy, and if you homestly think that it is, you should not be in a game based afound a humorous webcomic.
It's all little things, but it's little things that add up. I'm sure the rest of the wagon would be happy to offer up more fuel for the fire.
Lesson now, Phil out.
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Tazaro: I will accept a reasoned case. I will also accept rebuttals. I will not accept thinly veiled wifom and accusations of my newbieness in lieu of reasoned cases or rebuttals. Interestingly, dismissing a case as being wikitells is one of the scumtells on the wiki. This is irrelevant, but amuses me.
I also note that if your wiki is up to date, I actually have marginally more completed games than you. Even if I do have a stupidly bad win record. So yeah, don't try that one.Current Losing Streak: 4 (record: 9)
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Whether it's a joke or not, your accusation of "ACTIVE LURKING" was odd. How do you choose to react to the other 2 points I made? I'll accept that you can't really say anything about 1 for obvious reasons, but your interactions with torg still come off as scummy, and your reactions to my accusations as of yet allow me to add a point 4 to the list: Attacking the player over the arguments. Which, looking back, you have been doing a fair amount of.
PEdit: I don't give a damn about robo, he is still one of my scumreads for various reasons. It's just that there is an obvious scum digging their own grave who happens to be interacting with him.
PEdit 2: Lo, the bard of rage.Current Losing Streak: 4 (record: 9)
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PEdit: I like how that post can be summarized as "No, YOU'RE the scum because your reasons!"
As, now I realize, once more, are a fair number of your rebuttals.Current Losing Streak: 4 (record: 9)
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I am going to make an effort to do a larger catchup post at some point tomorrow or, failing that, over the weekend. Bare with me.
For now, just one quibble- could we refer to them as felt green, not lime green? Also, would you be willing to claim your target, por, or did I just miss it?Current Losing Streak: 4 (record: 9)
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And with that, I give you a bare minimum catchup post. Basically, wow, good night, if anyone feels like some setup spec I have a theory, I'd still like to know who por vigged/ failed to vig, as they claimed roleblocking or shenanigans going on. Malpa and CE have gone from possibly scum to probably scum, but I may well do some cross iso-ing with the flipped scum to see what's what, if possible. In any case, up to date, I'll try to keep up.Current Losing Streak: 4 (record: 9)
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In post 1770, Fate wrote:In post 1768, Phillammon wrote:
And with that, I give you a bare minimum catchup post. Basically, wow, good night, if anyone feels like some setup spec I have a theory, I'd still like to know who por vigged/ failed to vig, as they claimed roleblocking or shenanigans going on. Malpa and CE have gone from possibly scum to probably scum, but I may well do some cross iso-ing with the flipped scum to see what's what, if possible. In any case, up to date, I'll try to keep up.
and who the fuck are you?
I'm going to pretend that's genuine. I've been here, I've just been having real life swamping me recently. For reference, my read list hasn't changed enormously. The big colourful post in my ISO, for reference.
Also, I need to pay attention more. VOTE: Malpa, for now.
PEdit: I don't like titan either, which does give me pause for thought.
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Fate: Your outburst at the top of the page looks like the following, and I am REALLY struggling to follow the thought processes behind it. Please, PLEASE elaborate.
"AV, don't vote Malpa because he isn't scum"
"Jeez Malpa stop being obvious scum, I can see why town wants you dead."
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If you're done with setup spec, I have something else to point out.
Kankri Vantas. First appearance,ACT 6 INTERMISSION 3 (The first walkaround). Release, August 30th 2012. Personality takes the community by surprise.
First post of this game:
Mon Oct 29, 2012 6:21 pm
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(I'll admit that I missed a lot before that in the storyline, so he may have been mentioned before, but what was just claimed would have modified the flavour. Flavour that only appeared from the source the following day.
Hmmmmmmm.)
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In post 2117, BroodKingEXE wrote:In post 2115, Phillammon wrote:...Oops. I read the 8 and I saw the oct and completely failed to... Okay, my bad. UNVOTE:
Ignore me. Really.
Even though that is wrong, what is convincing you malpa isn't scum? Is the claim legit in your eyes?
No. Nothing is really convincing me malpa isn't scum at this point, but I'm still waiting on an explanation from Fate before I'm willing to let it fall to night, which looks likely to happen soon.Current Losing Streak: 4 (record: 9)
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In post 2140, DeasVail wrote:I think it's the Alien variant of Jailkeeper.
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In post 2147, DeasVail wrote:"Some Jailkeepers not only protect their target from all kills, but also render its target untargetable by all other actions during that Night. This variant is also known as Alien."
It's a JK variant, and I see it as very possible for town.
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In post 2241, Cheery Dog wrote:In post 2214, buldermar wrote:How do people not vote this -_-
because they are smart and have worked out that I am town, unlike the people on my wagon. (except nacho who is scum and therefore has reason to want to lynch me)
The tone of this post interests me. I'm going to do an ISO of Cheerydog, then pass judgment. I probably should have done this a while back...Current Losing Streak: 4 (record: 9)
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In post 2243, Vifam wrote:What was wrong with it? The bravado? The whole "Nacho is scum thing"?
I don't know, truth be told. The actual content is roughly the same as what's been said recently, so that's not it. It's half gut, half phrasing. (So all gut).
Also, partially because, as I said, I should do a check over him anyway.
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In post 2254, BT wrote:One OTHER reason why we're NOT doing this whole night plan is that it will inevitably derail the game when we start pondering "whyyy didn't this work as planned". And no we can't just assume it WILL work as planned becausewe're not the mod.
Phill's recent thing is a very easy (and not very subtle.....) way to get on a maybe-potentially-viable Cheery wagon. Noted, I guess.
Could people stop being so passive aggressive about me not having been here and go reread my reads list? This is pointed partially at BT, but there are quite a few people guilty of this.
This isn't "Wagon is possibly viable", this is "Reviewing null read that people are talking about"
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Nothing useful is coming of this day, at this point. If anyone uses obv as a prefix again today, I am going to be severely annoyed. VOTE: Mala, because nothing else is going to happen and I don't really have anything against the lynch apart from its current proponents.Current Losing Streak: 4 (record: 9)
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Malpa: Your role isn't even SLIGHTLY confirmable, and confirmed role doesn't mean confirmed alignment. I could EASILY see roleblocker from your descriptions so far, and I'm less than impressed by your slot on the whole as well.
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Maenara. Please go and look at xtoph's ISO and ctrl-f vifam. Now tell me what the difference is between his first day mentions and his second day mentions.
(This is a bit knee jerk, sorry)
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Actually, no it isn't. VOTE: Maenara. Your vote looked like you were trying to get someone else to give you a reason to vote for someone. That isn't townish. Granted, that's kind of also what I'm doing now.
Meanwhile, nacho: Why did you initially vote me?Current Losing Streak: 4 (record: 9)
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I have read up to this point. I am still convinced that maenara is the best lynch here, and I am severely unconvinced on Avox. This is mostly a prod dodge. I am so sorry. Thinkings are lightening up game wise and HAMMERING DOWN irl wise, sorry.Current Losing Streak: 4 (record: 9)
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Okay. Apparently I've been prodded, which is odd given I've posted recently enough and I've not actually received a PM, but that's what the VC said. I am solidly happy with any of the shoot lists given that a majority of my scumreads are now grouped together on them, despite me being lumped in. In any case:
In post 3634, Zdenek wrote:We aren't fucking lynching an un-cc'ed doc.
Brood is is going to flip town orthird-party, and isn't a good lynch.
Third party is a bad lynch.
Care to talk us through that, Zdenek?
Also: I am going to be available for the next half hour or so, and I've read through as much as I can up to this point, I'm happy to adress any cases/ questions that are coming up. Again, sorry about the lack of activity, I've been doing my best, but DAMN this game moves fast.Current Losing Streak: 4 (record: 9)
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UNVOTE: .
Sorry, have a habit of leaving votes on longer than intended. My bad.
Vifam: He looks fairly townie both from posts and from activity to me (I know that that reflects badly), and I don't honestly know why he was being lynched in the first place. Davesprite as a doctor makes sense from a flavour perspective, but there is one niggling doubt about the claim (flavourwise) that I'll try and follow up some time. In the mean time, from a mafia stance, uncc'd doctor is a no go for lynching.
Fate I hate with a fervent passion at the moment and I could DEFINITELY go for that as a lynch. The demeanour isn't helping, I'll admit, but the spamposting rather than content posting and AtAC (Appeal to AllCaps) as an argument form doesn't impress me in any way shape or form. The content feels off by gut as well, which combines into a scumread from where I'm standing. Brood hasn't made much of an impact on me either way as of yet, and I can't honestly remember what I thought of his ISO when I originally went over it. I'll go back and check now, if you like.Current Losing Streak: 4 (record: 9)
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Fair enough. I'll freely admit that I don't know Fate's meta. While Fate's made suspects clear, the arguments have been less than stellar, hence my suspicion.
I'll do a check over brood. If I don't report back, I probably fell asleep.Current Losing Streak: 4 (record: 9)
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Zdenek: Being accused of scumminess is something I'm fine with, even if people are wrong, so long as they bring reasoning. I can argue with reasoning. I can't argue with AtE and foundless accusation.Current Losing Streak: 4 (record: 9)
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Meta me if it would help. Agreeing with people calling me scum is something I do as both alignments, though, so it is a tad null. Although that is self meta, so getting an outside opinion would help.Current Losing Streak: 4 (record: 9)
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