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Nope I didn't. And there I was thinking 9 pages on Arafax's 100 MPH was a lot... And this game has had so many replacements!
I don't really get the reason why people are voting for Bogre. I agree that the reason Bogre voted for viper (because of his so-called defensiveness) was scummy, but why did everyone concentrate on Bogre instead of the 4/5 people before him? Bogre's reactions to the comment might just've been overly defensive if he's one of those players who hate dying no matter what. If Bogre dies, I'll be taking a close look at everyone who jumped on the wagon (people like lordy for example.)
I also don't get the reason for the vote on Spamwise. The only thing vaguely scummy about him was his saying that that the lynch was a bad idea. I mean... how does that even sound scummy? Cesspit did say that Spamwise (post 257) had to be nudged back into the game, but there've been way too many replacements in this game already, and I don't see people voting those replacements.
Post 206 by MMofdoom quoted spamwise saying "Vipers wagon stalling because his scumbuddies haven't jumped on". I don't see how that makes spamwise a mafia. In fact, I'd call that pro-town behaviour because he brought up a point about the viper wagon that hadn't been mentioned before.
About Masterchief: I don't like how he poofed from this game entirely. And his excuse was that he forgot. That's bad townie behaviour. And he 'randomly' joined one of the wagons. I'm so tempted to just kill him (like Frit) but I'll hold back to see if he contributes to the discussion.Blank.-
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I think it's unlikely that alignment will change each night. How will we win the game? Like if person A is a pro-town everyday, and does a fantastic job, and he becomes mafia on the lynch-or-lose/last day, and town wins (partly because of what he did in the earlier days), he'll lose. This makes the game very unfair.Blank.-
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I agree with Fuldu.Fuldu wrote:Huh? I don't understand BMQ's argument against Yosarian and Ireallydon't understand bluemonick's jump to that bandwagon. It seems like BMQ is suggesting that Yosarian's playstyle is different from past games, which I don't see, but if he'd care to elaborate a bit more, I might. But bluemonick is new enough that that can't be what he's saying. And the comment about "less of an investigator" and "more like 'laying back'" is, frankly, nonsense. Yosarian seems to me to be pushing as hard at the issues he finds important in this game as he usually does. I happen not to find the particular issue he's chosen to be especially noteworthy, but I can see the logic behind it. Coupled with the fact that he got himself blowed up, which seems likely to be a scum mechanism, I think this looks like a scummy pair of votes.vote: bluemonick
I disagree with the lordy bandwagon. What has he done to seem scummy? There was some confusion over his so-called claim, but I read that as other people misinterpretating what he originally said.Blank.-
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Iba: Yup, I agree that he is giving off newbie vibes. However, I believe him to be newbie scum. Reasons as stated both in my earlier posts anad below.
Now he seems to be trying to throw suspicion off himself by trying to accuse others. Claiming vanilla townie on day 1 usually equals mafia. (Empasis onusually). In any mafia game, if I was vanilla townie, I'd never claim my role. So there's nothing wrong with lynching people who claim vanilla townie.
BM, I find it interesting that you waited till now (aka when you have votes on you) to accuse IB. If you weren't just trying to throw suspicion off yourself, you'd probably have pointed that she didn't answer your question earlier. I also don't really believe that you 'just didn't explain it better', it as in the reason for voting Yo. Townies would put a clear reason why they vote someone. No clear reason = bandwagoning.Blank.-
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Fuldu, my reason for the vote was the same as yours. I didn't feel it was necessary to repeat everything. Also, the 2nd post you quoted had a reason: to revive the game. Masterchief seems newbie, so I don't take that into account. While townies may not put reasons for the vote, they usually explain themselves before the actual post with the vote. (Once it goes past the random stage, that is.)Blank.-
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I'm guessing the 3rd layer is blowing up offices. Just a guess though... We've been assuming that blowing up offices is due to a tool that can be found in somebody's office, what if it's independent of everything? As in, the mod just randomly chooses someone each night and asks him/her to choose an office to blow up?
I'm thinking role claiming is a bad idea with these game mechanics. Since roles/abilities change every night, knowing that a person is cop doesn't mean that he'll be cop next night, and doc should protect him. So power roles shouldn't claim anyway.
Pooky has checked in some of his other games that I'm also in. I think BJ is more lurk-ish, since he has no RL excuse.Blank.-
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vote: BabyJesusAnyone who has played a game with Anix and I know that I always prefer to lynch non-participative people in early game.
armlx: you can't stay out of it... that's like saying: hey I don't care who's gonna get lynched, as long as it isn't me!
With regards to the office issue, I'm guessing maybe some people didn't have offices issued to them in the beginning of the game. That might have been the cause for the confusion of the people who claimed they wanted offices.
I don't think it's a stupid question to ask about changing offices. I was trying to ask if our roles were assigned to us via offices or whether the roles were permanent. I also asked earlier if it would have any impact on our alignment. Would it help if I said this is my 1st theme game? (not counting the one where I died night 0)?Blank.-
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I kinda pitied you a little, because you have the uneviable job of defending what someone else said. But your vote on Yos changed my mind, because it doesn't seem to make sense. Added to that is masterchief's scummy behaviour yesterday. I also agree with the later part of post 608. Sovote: inHim
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BJ: post 651.
Iba, either you or BJ could get killed tonight, so that discussion would never happen.
TheCesspit: What BJ defense? I haven't seen him put up a good one. So basically you're going to vote whoever isn't talking much at the moment? While it may be a good way of ferreting out lurkers, it isn't a good playstyle in the long run.Blank.-
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Basically, I agree that BJ and HP are the most suspicious people today.
@Thecesspit: While putting votes on BJ have gotten him to talk, what he has said so far seems scummy. So yes, we're getting info, but we're also getting info that says he's scummy.
@Yos2: Don't just look at his voting record. Refer to everything he's said so far about masons.
mod: Take a look at MBL's list 708. Could you please prod people and get them replaced?
vote: BabyjesusI like the 'looks like you've caught me' remark. And what you've said about masons, claiming Iba's role and yours, not talking at night etc is scummy behavour.Blank.-
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unvote, vote armIx
For his illogical posts. And for voting Iba by following MBL, when MBL himself didn't even vote. By the way, I don't really think MBL's cautiousness/not votingness is a scum-tell, because MBL usually gives long analysis and waits really long before voting, even though he will accuse someone before he votes.
I don't quite understand the reasons for Iba being scummy, and I think she's responed to the accusations against her (I've read her post 870). There's nothing wrong with picking on one lurker, and not the rest. After all, it is through applying pressure that we get lurkers to talk/replaced. With only one vote, spreading pressure all around is useless.Blank.-
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Hi STD! I really should start a record of how many games we're in together. LML has disappeared from other mafia games too.
I'm a little confused over what Fuldu said. ArmIx commented on the roles independent of alignment thing (which we all knew about anyway). It's the second part of the argumnet where I'm lost.Blank.-
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The main reason was you not liking the wagon yet voting for Harry_potter, for no apparent reason. And for wagoning. Another thing is the downplay of Fuldu.
But it's just a little 'feeling' here, (I didn't even put an FOS) because I don't think Iba's other arguments make sense. It's as if she's saying you're scummy for saying she's scummy... I read that and I was like... huh? Also because I think you did state your reasons for voting. It's more like a combination of tiny little things.
Uraj: thanks for picking on me for saying obvious things. When there are people who aren't even saying anything content. And you yourself hasn't said much. Gah.
Note the timing of HP's post. It came directly after Uraj said he's still alive. That's lurkerish.
MBL tries to lead the town all the time. I think he just has a naturally dominating playstyle. Also, it's because he likes to do good game analysis. Which you ARE NOT DOING.
You know what? I'm going to go ahead andvote: Harry-PotterBecause he's so lurky he's just not helping.Blank.-
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Uraj: maybe you can instead state the reasons why I'm scummy so I can say something about them? (If you've stated them already, ignore me. Reason below.) The argument against what you stated has been stated by Iba already, so I won't repeat that.
I see both Iba and MBL fixating on each other, and I'm glad it's moving on. I still don't really get why MBL didn't vote, but I went back to look at his earlier posts and he did say that he was also suspicious of other people, so I guess that's why. Also the fixation started because Iba poked at him first, he might have been too preoccupied defending himself to focus on the other people.
I also don't understand STD's case against mathcam.
I'll do a reread of the past 20 pages or so, and hopefully will post tonight.Blank.-
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Here they are.
mystery meat of doom wrote:I read today, and I've been fuck confused because I lurked all of last day too. So I'm going to go back and read day 3 too.mystery meat of doom wrote:Well I've neglected this game. I'm going to reread and catch up.
Does lurking = scummy? I think possibly, but not definitely.mystery meat of doom wrote:Not really sure whats going on atm, so I'm going to reread some time (I'm moving into university on monday, so I won't be posting much more then I am now with packing, moving, settling in, getting internet, etc). The opening of offices could be that the role switcher could possibly switch the open office with someone else, but considering rolenames are switched too, it seems less likely as the open office doesn't have a "rolename" anymore.
FOS: whoever is jumping on this wagon.Blank.-
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MMOD's last past sounds scummy. So basically he just said that he didn't read through the post carefully, and that's his excuse. I also don't think a 'strong reaction' is needed. I have usually needed to do a reread to get a better read on someone because I generally don't have 'strong reactions' the first time.
FOS: MMOD
Like MBL, I'm also suspicious of why MoS is thinking Pooky is town. Pooky has been around too little for me to get a good read.
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Well, look at it this way. If the people who are lurking are say raj, hp or bj and pooky, wouldn't you look at pooky first? So it isn't wrong to point that pooky for abnormal lurking. Also your original post sounds like you clear pooky, but thanks for clarifying.
Pooky: WTF you're too good to lurk as scum?!
I see you didn't read my post carefully too.
Duh, I'm pursuing you for lurking.spectrumvoid wrote:Like MBL, I'm also suspicious of why MoS is thinking Pooky is town.Pooky has been around too little for me to get a good read.Blank.-
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Out-of-game notice: Because of various reasons, I've somewhat lost interest in this game. However, I think that signing up to play a mafia game requires commitment, and I absolutely hate people who disappear during a game. I also posted this to explain my absence, and my forgetfulness. I see from the replacements needed everywhere that there is currently a similar problem in a lot of games here. Hence, I will continue to play on to the best of my ability to fulfill that commitment.
To whoever who thinks I'm talking BS, fine. Just note that I'll post tomorrow night with proper in-game content posts.Blank.-
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Here's a post I made when I was unable to post able to log in:
Contrary to popular belief and expectation, I have read all the posts. To prove it, I'll do a PBPA of every post by Coron regarding mathcam from around page 30+.
1. He asks cam to be more specific on why BJ was lynched. No mention of suspicion on cam.
2. He says he doesn't understand cam's argument. Also no mention of suspicion.
3. Refer to MoS's post on the reasons why this isn't good:
4. Coron's response: he swears he was suspicious of cam before.Mastermind of Sin wrote:
Coron didn't post from Jul 31 until Sept. 16 or so. Up until his return for lurkerland, his biggest contribution seems to have been clamoring for Spamwise to get lynched, who was replaced by mathcam and still seems to be one of his top suspects. But that's another debate. He clearly wasn't here for the last day, so he couldn't have posted when the wagon was actually happening. Now, whether he lurked purposefully or on accident, that's something we'll have to determine.TheCesspit wrote:
I'm not. He could have stated 'I can talk to certain people at night'. This would have been the truth and not outing anyone.Coron wrote:Alright, we just went back to the: not a good reason stage.
Outing more masons than will confirm you masons=bad idea unless there is only one known mason alive.
I'm fine with his play.
He didn't. I don't like the way he played, and think he could have claimed smarter. It looked like a good lynch to me. It wasn't, but I wasn't alone.
Now, why are you questioning the play yesterday? Why not question it then, rather than today now it's over and it's easier to second guess? You've been quiet and called on it, I reckon, and trying to youself look good. For what end, I don't know.
I need to jog the grey cells, but wasn't there a long finger of suspicion over mathcam ealry on Day 2 as well?
5. He then accuses cam of concocting this reasoning, without explaining why, other than saying cam is usually less suspicious of people who have a proven role.
6. Next post: Thinks cam is scum. No reason given.
7. He goes off on a tangent for a while on Ibby.
Coron posted a list.
8.Coron wrote:Mathcam- recently has faded to the background, has keep posting but nothing of consequence for almost as long as I have been not posting.
Unless you want to talk about earlier day stuff, I can't find a single reason for Coron finding cam suspicious. He says cam has faded to the background, but he himself is guilty of doing that by not being active. (as I am). This argument does not specifically apply to only cam.Coron wrote:I don't remember exactly what happened but I remember a lot of people were voting Mathcam and he was very suspicious.
Vote: Mathcam
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And here's my standard posts for all games:
I'm finally back after a horribly long absence. I was having some weird problems on MS.net logging in and posting (I was posting from the future), read the 2 threads devoted to my problems in the help forum for details. Thanks to those who have alerted people to my problems. I'll respond to everything tomorrow.Blank.-
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I agree with Iba, MoS, me on the no kill list. Yos I'm not sure of.
The kill list can be further separated:
Possibly scummy (Not saying I agree with this yet, but just dividing the two up):
Uraj
Fuldu
MBL
Pooky
mathcam
And those who don't contribute:
armIx, Coron, H_P, MMOD, Oberon
I agree with the not contributing people. We have a little too many in this game.
I'm currently of the opinion that we should call for replacements, then lynch lurkers.Blank.-
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I agree with Iba, MoS, me on the no kill list. Yos I'm not sure of.
The kill list can be further separated:
Possibly scummy (Not saying I agree with this yet, but just dividing the two up):
Uraj
Fuldu
MBL
Pooky
mathcam
And those who don't contribute:
armIx, Coron, H_P, MMOD, Oberon
I agree with the not contributing people. We have a little too many in this game.
I'm currently of the opinion that we should call for replacements, then lynch lurkers.Blank.-
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