Mafia Behind the Maiden (Game over!)

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hey yall, its me, your favorite kanye

could someone who is town please give me a list of nething important thats happened and also whos obvtown and whos scum? we all know im not reading 98 pages lmao.

also is my slot obvtown yet?

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also why the fuck is this game only mid day 2 and were on 98 pages????

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Tierce and Glork are awkward claim town.
SpyreX is derpy mistake town.

can you elaborate on these?

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Sup KKB vote Oman.

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vote oman

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glork whos scum.

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oh nm i forgot u hinted @ it.

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also have either of the scum kills been claimed?

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i would have said something if i was. has there been any discussion on what seems to me to be the scum win condition? "ie you win when x roles are removed from the game"
can we lose outside of losing majority if this win condition is met?

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why are we lurker lynching then?

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also why are people claiming role names. claim role function and keep your name to yourself unless its absolutely essential to avoid death.

can you explain the oman wagon 2 me dear spychan? also what is the mistake that made you obvtown that ddd was talkin about?

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unvote

juuuust incase

unvote

argh stupid opera. vi please delete my clutter

just in case what?

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hey whats ddd at right now? ill vote him as long as its not a hammer. just got back and all.

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vote ddd

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okay so. gonna read this day now. im like 15 pages in2 d1 as well but im not gonna get to that for a bit. got to read for spyrex's slip thing too because i dont like the explanation he gave me and i didnt like the way ddd sold it to me. spy pushing the oman wagon against scum nexus doesnt help. which wagon came first btw? another thing i need 2 check.

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hey singer. is tierce scum?

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yah ill get 2 it dont worry. im just askin : )

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yah whats up m8.

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promise u wont make fun of them?

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promise u wont make fun of them?

pinky promise

ppl i wont lynch: glork, tsh, alchemist, moi, dana
ppl i would lynch: ddd spyrex tierce

im really tryin to grind through the thread right now so expect more matured reads in a little bit~ (i havent reached any jucity interactions with flipped scum yet so i reserve the right to change drastically)

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im mostly caught up i think? i gave up on reading the entire thread and read a few hotspots + scum isos and vcas. i still need to find this oversoul fakevig that clears tierce apparently. i am completely ambivalent on un (dont worry ill start distancing w. him in a minute 4 sure)

town who i will never ever vote - glork, tsh, alchemist, toastytoast, moi, dana, singer
likely town based on flipped scum - rhinox, ludi, katsuki
leaning town - tammy, gamma, lld, nikanor
null - un, hindu, greyice
scum - spyrex, benmage, ddd, tierce

im gonna do another pass on all of my leaning town/null

as far as spyrex's no country claim shit yeah fuck all that noise. hes scum. the entire thing was way too awkward and forced from his end. consider hes atrocious in vca as well as his scummy play, his interactions with my other scum suspects and the way shmugen treated him and hes my number one lynch choice right now.

haze is gutscum, that little avenging angel/shmugen exchange was scum

I am willing at this point to give Spyrex a pass, and here's why: Scum has no reason to claim "no nation." It isn't worth the WIFOM. It isn't even worth the (very uncertain) chance that someone like myself will recognize this and give him a pass. Spyrex is good enough that he has other options available to him aside from a "shoot the moon" strategy like that. Claiming "no nation" is too insanely risky to be anything but the truth. Even if scum had no nation, they'd fakeclaim one of them to be on the safe side.

Angel makes a strong point regarding SpyreX's whole nation thing, the WIFOM would be far more trouble than its worth. Welcome and thank you for taking over a less than productive slot.

and benmage safely hopping onto ddd now that the coast is clear and the heat is on un is scum.

unvote vote spyrex

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kats kill spy w. me please. you can come too un strut ur stuff tell the haters 2 step

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nah alch kats is most likely town.

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@alch given some stupid shit i saw in one of the scum isos and also that he dropped his secret town tell

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??

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btw kats whys gi scum?

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ahahaha i just read os's fake dayvig wtg kid im real fuckin proud of u.

unfort i have to rescind my scum read on tierce for now. gay.

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i believe un's tracker claim given this

Duplicity. I'm not scum. ;)

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vi's very capable of putting scum trackers in the game, it's just whether you think he's town or scum in addition to the claim.

this.

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thats a valid point. un why didnt you track tierce?

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I JUST NOTICED THAT.

THERE'S NO FUCKING WAY THAT'S COINCIDENCE.

SPYREX DIES NOW.

YES

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WAIT WAIT
MAYBE THAT EXPLAINS DUP KILL N2?
I haven't read any of his posts so no idea how town he was and all.
But track to implosion, kill N2?
I'll probably revote later. need some thinking time

i was thinking this too, but surely scums not retarded enough to nk him this soon??

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unvote vote un

k, im game for un today.

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unvote vote spyrex

yall tuggin my heart strings here real bad. im honestly fine with either one but if we can make this spyrex thing happen lets get it done.

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why the fuck did you nameclaim

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vote uberninja

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eh gamma leaving the backdoor open on the POSSIBILITY of me being scum is very interesting.

ALSO HEY KANYE
FUCK YOU

that aside UN HO

VOTE: UN

yolo

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singer why are you opposed to un lynch?

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@kanye...a few reasons: 1. I think he's confirmable. 2. I think LLD+his claim can help confirm him. 3. I've never seen him as scum but I've seen him herpderp enough around as town that I think if he were scum, his buddies would bus the fuck out of him, but those that have pushed for his lynch the hardest I believe are town.

hes confirmable as a tracker sure, but the problem is that hes a scum tracker, not a town one??

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yo if youre going to claim scum tracker at least do it in a way that it isnt obvious from your track targets man...

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btw my guess is that spy was jailkept n2. seeing as we didnt have anyone stop his lynch by claiming jk, i think we can assume its a scum jk. would also make sense as to how un knew that he wouldnt be able to track spy n2

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scum jk also makes sense w. the sk

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yeh im perfectly happy to let sleeping dogs on that matter lie. its just a distinct possibility

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also just a thought, i dont think we should be freely sharing country information (ie lld dont claim any more country claims you dig up) as when scum get closer to completing their list that information will probably help narrow their targets down.

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well fuck. lol

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youd have to be the most babying forgiving and also gullible person in the world to look at that track list and say "oh, well i guess you could track all of those as town ill letcha off the hook :)"

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hey. how come un isnt lynched yet?

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dont do this to me kats

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He did.

since I just slipped to high hell might as well say

targetted tammy n2, avenging angel n1

Then I'm counterclaiming because I'm a roleblocking neighborizer and highly doubt that town has two roleblockers. It's a day ability so unfortunately I've only had one action (D1 I forgot and D3 I was V/LA). Day 2 I neighborized/roleblocked LLD.

unvote:vote:Alchemist

what the fuck.

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hey toasty not that it would have dissuaded me but mb thats information that would have been useful while spy was getting strung up?

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yeah alch is still town. are you opposed to the idea of 2 town roleblockers because of something in this game or simply on principle? do you guys have daychat in your neighborhood? i assume he didnt mention the roleblock to you previously in there lambda?

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hey tierce btw, benmage is his buddy, not a lot of use in trying to sell the case to him

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lol

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hey alchemist let me lay it out for you: remember when we lynched spyrex? remember when kats said hey i really dont think spyrex is scum lets not do this?

~THATS 100% TOWN KATSUKI~

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also fucking lol @ benmage acting like scum do not white knight mislynches that have zero chance of aborting.

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whatcha peepin son fill me in on the sweet details.

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lld it was def bodyguard

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i dunno shit abt fire emblem so flavor question: do we think there is any followup to this petrification scum can pull on glork? ie finaly fantasy petrify -> break?

im assuming this is a limited shot ability and muting glork at this juncture seems a bit of a waste if theres no followup to it?

p-edit alchemist its a noose

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agree

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WHY THE FUCK DO YOU RETARDS KEEP NAME CLAIMING WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU

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like, how hard is it for everyone to understand that name claiming in this game is not a good idea? give us the ability claim and if we still want to lynch you after that and a name claim is literally all that will stave the noose then fine.

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hey thanks man, sweet dreams m8 : ]

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fyi scum facing the noose claiming the names of their targets to bait the counterclaim is a p legit strat

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what was your assertion?

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oh right, the leaders thing. thats what i was thinking too.

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my votes not there because i dont know that i believe youre not just pulling a retarded gambit to force the lynch through. i certainly believe that you believe he is scum whos kill your blocked but~~

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ALCH: When did you get whatever power you got?

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its not an issue of fakeclaims hindu, if grey is scum its very clearly attempting to bait the cc of a kill target.

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Hatari = Nailah (whoever you are, keep it a secret at all costs)

this one is scum since theyre the one who stoned glork app? also you left off the crimean leader fyi.

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Nnnnngh.
WWGD.

how bad do you wanna know~

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believe grey is L-1? im not gonna be the one to hammer im afraid.

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yeah no matter what happens here tierce alchemist is still town ~_~

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hey rhinox whos scum?

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Still no Glork. -_-

agreed. hope he comes back soon~

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vote benmage

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toastys still town guys,. alchemist was obvtown before the sanaki counterclaim and hes still town now.

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cool wheres your selfvote m8?

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unvote vote Benmage

Yawnnnn... kkb you're terrible at this btw.

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@KKb

other than being Uberninjas scum partner (even tho he flipped town) I don't know why you find me scum? Care sharing?

dont believe i ever accused you of this. i do recall you mistakenly being under the impression of it though.

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2a. Alchemist fake-claimed Sanaki (??) why did Vi flip a sanaki character falsely if alchemist is sanaki

tsh claims his role information confirms sanaki is in the game, so im assuming that alchemist was telling the truth and vi was just fully trolling. either that or tsh is lying which would be ???????

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nah, see if he looks like hes okay with being lynched hard enough well be forced to see that hes town. please remember that benmage is VERY good at this game.

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@KKb

other than being Uberninjas scum partner (even tho he flipped town) I don't know why you find me scum? Care sharing?

dont believe i ever accused you of this. i do recall you mistakenly being under the impression of it though.

What did you mean here than:

hey tierce btw, benmage is his buddy, not a lot of use in trying to sell the case to him

-quote refers to UN.

you seem to think that i was calling you scum based on un being scum. thats a mistake.

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When I asked if VTs should target people. It was because Vi told me when replacing in that Haze and Avenging Angel didnt take any night actions.

it specifically said your predecessors took no prior night actions?

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oh kayne i forgot about you i'd like scumreads from you too. i'll actually go over toastsssss wagon d1 in a sec i'm working on memory here right now.

hope youre not implying theres any chance you think im scum: anyone paying even the remotest attention will find that its extremely unlikely for me to be scum.

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When I asked if VTs should target people. It was because Vi told me when replacing in that Haze and Avenging Angel didnt take any night actions.

it specifically said your predecessors took no prior night actions?

Yes.

think ur lyin.

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im not.

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would also like to hear from rhinox. ill elaborate after he chimes in.

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bah phone posting loses posts. On comp now for a minute.

Umm.. I have to claim to say anything about benmages info but fine ok. Yes, I believe I am a VT and when I replaced in there was a message with my role PM that said Oman took

no previous actions.

So at least that much is true with ben.

I did ask Vi whether I should submit targets at night and look for magic to happen. Vi was ammused and told me sure, but after I read some and realized I just got the generic VT role I didn't bother submitting any names at night.

a little different from no previous night actions. i stressed it when i was asking benmage again so either hes lying or retarded.

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woops i missed an entire page.

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Your reads are shit Nik

LLD could be a mafia rolecop though. She did claim Daein. Scum often claim flavor that is close or identical to their source material as to not risk being called out on flavor details. And she is the only person who's been in a QT with Toasty. Meh, just throwing that out there. Despite all that she's voting Toasty, so the QT action couldn't have been that hot and heavy.

I posted once, he posted once.

Our QT was entirely BARREN.

Wow, that isn't scummy at all. =/

its typical for lld neighborization. shes a bad neighbor, dont neighborize lld she wont talk to you!!!!!!!!!

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actually he does bring up a good point. think i need to stop tunneling.

unvote

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yeah im going to say every player who replaced in got a summary of previous actions. whats odd however is that this relies on benmage assuming that vanilla town get it too. i assumed at first he had a night action since he said he performed no prior night actions when it was actually referring to actions in general but.....

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either hes vt or hes takin a pretty huge scumgambit

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alternately he could legit be a traitor or some form of scum that is incapable of performing any actions or some shit which would tip him off to that idea but thats a bit of a stretch..

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also that wouldnt really make a lot of sense in this game

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yeah like i said itd be a huge stretch. ill take the simple explanation

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which then leaves me confused about the nk. i have a mega town read on toasty so alch blocking toasty making the kill is a bit difficult for me to swallow.

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dont see how it confirms me or rhinox.

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i apologize again for being retarded enough to pursue that line of conversation with benmage vi :<

With that said, I was still very tempted to modkill Katsuki for receiving and passing on that message from kkb. <_<

katsuki made this up btw. the only thing related to the game i said in private to him was literally "woops i got modkilled"

p-edit this is what u get for spreading lies about me kats!

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Meh, lets be honest. Town victory.

Dramonic/Kanye were soooo far under the scum radar as power roles. We were operating off the assumption that all of our targets were strong power roles (We thought MoI could masonize more than one person). Unless Kanye claimed to have the restorer staff (we twigged Elencia = healer) we would never have guessed that he was our target, and another target being alive would have been awesome.

Of course Oman/Rhinox and Benmage may both have been mislynched, but they may not have. So overall, I'd say the odds of town victory were... high... minus modkills.

i crumbed pretty fucking hard that i restored glork which was probably a mistake (also crumbed my pacifist thing a few times.) if lambda didnt pick up on those then yeah, i agree that i probably wasnt dying ever.