D.N. Does Star Wars (Town Victory)

[WrathChild]

Fast Re-Read through the game:
#3-23: RVS
#24 Ooba: First real vote of the game on Fenin for what he sees as an insincere post
#25-29: RVS
#30 Andrius: Mentions the possibility of a Kise-Scum Slip for mentioning Imperial Scum in #3
#31 Shadow: Recap with questions directed at 8 different players. Not much else to see here.
#32 Andrius: Defends against Wall accusation in #31
#33 Kise: Implies his Darth Maul claim in the RVS was not necessarily true
#34 Slandaar: Votes Fennin for being wishy washy
#35-49: RVS
#50 Kdub: Says that he thought it was forbidden for Jedi to love regarding Nero Cain and Kdub's lovers claim/joke. However at no point did Nero Cain claim Jedi.
#51 Death Note: VC
#52-55: RVS
#56 Kurtis: Votes Channe Delibird and nothing else
#57 Nexus: Votes Kurtis for #56 not commenting on anything else
#58: RVS
#59 Ooba: Directs questions/comments at 4 other players, overall no real content
#60 Shadow: Joke Post
#61 MoI: Agrees with Ooba #24 vs. Fennin. Calls Peregrine out for posting fluff. Asks Elmo why he votes Malee. Calls Kise out for voting Malee while calling Fennin scum. Implies he thinks Kdub is town for Imperial Scum comment.
#62 Nero Cain: Joke Post
#63: RVS
#64 Kdub: Votes Iec for being too quiet.
#65 Kise: Insists that Malee is scum and will park her vote until there's a good wagon to join.
#66 Nero: Votes Elmo giving no reason
#67 Malee: Says that her vote on Fennin was not based on scumminess but him being a smartass instead.
#68 Slandaar: Votes Kise giving no reason
#69 Fennin: Asks why everyone is picking on him then votes Kise giving no reason.
#70 Slandaar: Asks why Fennin is voting Kise for no reason like he did.
#71 Andrius: Wall post with little actual content
#72 Elmo: Says he has his reasoning for voting Malee, but then says it was a joke.
#73 Shadow: Calls Andrius out again for answering for Kise
#74 Peregrine: Responds to MoI calling him a fluffer by saying he was only following rules and questioning why he ignored the Lovers claim from Nero and Kdub, which was obviously a joke. Other than that just more fluff.
#75 Nexus: Responds to #74 punt waffle question
#76 Kurtis: Accuses Nexus and CDB of scumbuddy insulting each other.
#77 Shadow: Asks Peregrine why it is his job to enforce joke rules.
#78 WC: Responds to Peregrine #74 and calls stupid joke rule stupid.
#79 Malee: Asks why Kurtis declared RVS over in #76
#80 Kurtis: Answers #79 with "Because I'm the Law"
#81 Iec: Catchup post. Calls Elmo scum for #52 and Slandaar town for no reason.
#82 Malee: Calls Kurtis out on #80 pointing out the hypocrisy of it
#83 Nexus: Calls Kurtis Scum but no vote
#84 DN: VC
#85 Shadow: Says Kurtis is BSing but no vote
#86 Shadow: Says Vincent's inactivity and failure to contribute content is scummy. Points out Iec using 3rd person.
#87 Iec: Admits to using 3rd person
#88 Malee: Points out that she's seen breadcrumbs and asks the reasoning for it and a posting restriction for Iec
#89 Ooba: Says Slandaar and Iec are town for no reason
#90 Malee: Responds to joke in #89
#91 Shadow: Advises Malee not to point out breadcrumbs
#92 Slandaar: Goes along with #89
#93 Kise: Clarifies how Fennin screwed up with the awesome abillity
#94 Kdub: Asks Malee about Elmo OMGUS comment and Iec about Slandaar town. Votes Kurtis for his nexus attack and fluff
#95 Midnight: Votes Kurtis and agrees with #94
#96-97: Jokes
#98 MoI: Tells Iec to stop faking Post Restriction, Calls Malee cute and demands the top 3 scum picks right away, calls Kurtis a bad player, says Kise was more interested in distancing than scum, says we should shoot Slandaar for #70, says Kise dodged questions because Andy answered for him, calls Peregrine a fluffer again, calls Ooba's random town claims scummy
#99 Kise: Responds to MoI constant search for scum motivation by saying that sometimes scum don't always have motivation and react on whims. Doesn't like the 1-2 vote on Kurtis by Kdub and Midnight, says shadows questions are transparent
#100-25: Missing
#125 Malee: First half of #126, see below
#126 Malee: Last half of a player by player analysis, Leaning scum : Kurtis, Wrathchild, Fennin, Kise
Leaning town : MagnaOfIllusion, Andrius, Otto Von Clark
Null : everyone else.
#127 Slandaar: Calls Malee's #125-126 hollow and pointless at this stage of the game. Calls it a Town-Looking analysis
#128 Malee: Responds to #127 saying that it was not intended to "look town" but instead was a response to MoI's request in #98
#129 Slandaar: Says hes town for posting more than most. Calls Malee scum, no vote
#130 Malee: Responds to #129 saying quantity doesn't mean quality and calls Slandaar out for wanting to blaster Vince
#131 Slandaar: Says its funny Malee didn't mention the blaster comment before
#132 Malee: Says that she was mid-post when it happened
#133 Slandaar: Asks why its a scummy comment to want to blaster vince
#134 Slandaar: Builds case on Malee based on #127, also mentions how the reads on Vince, Nero and Fennin don't match up
#135 Malee: Explains why it is scummy to want to Blaster Vince but not vote him
#136 Slandaar: "hes had 3 posts at various points to show any kind of scumhunting intent
he has failed to do so
the vote thing ties into this
hes scummy
he needs to die and is an easy vote for scum if hes town so we blaster him... seems pretty obvious to me"
-This reads to me like Slandaar is implying that he knows Vince is town.
#137 Malee: Defends against #134 and #136 (well in my opinion)
#138 Nero: Continues to suspect the Elmo slot but admits he can't convince people, didn't like the WC vote on kdub for calling Nero a Jedi, accuses Malee of fear mongering.
#139 WC: Explains how he felt the Kdub-Nero-Jedi-Lovers thing was a slip and how he chose to pursue it. Addresses Otto's suspicion on him further by explaining how his case was being taken out of context.
#140 MoI: Further questions WC's slip case and chides him for thinking he got a RVS vote regardless of the position of the game, explains to Malee why a Lurker Blasting would benefit town, says that Vincent and Kurtis are front-runners for blasting, agrees with NC's fear mongering comment against Malee in #138, jumps on Slandaar for calling Malee scummy
#141 Kdub: Responds to my slip accusation (well in my opinion) and suggests a consensus on the Blaster Target
#142 Malee: Apologizes for using spoiler tags
#143 Malee: Agrees that we should coordinate blaster attacks
#144 Kdub: Responds to Malees concern about town consensus conflicting with personal opinion
#145 Slandaar: Still pushing that Malee's post was worthless, directed at MoI
#146 Malee: Responds to #144
#147 Ooba: Catchup post, ties Nexus to Vincent, calls WC's slip-case paranoia scum hunting, thinks Slandaar and Iec are town for posts #122 and #127, which happened to be after he randomly declared Slandaar and Iec town in #89 (this is a red flag to me), thinks Malee is scum for poor read-reasoning, thinks Vincent is scum for vibes, thinks WC is scummy for pushing the Jedi-Slip, which is odd because he thought Malee was scummy for making a bad case on WC (Definately take the time to read this post yourself people)
#148 MoI: Calls Kdub scum for pushing Blaster Consensus and discussed his town read on Malee
#149 Curtis: Votes Malee for annoying walls. WHAT!? Curtis is scum
#150-174: Missing
#175 Peregrine: Asks WC to show him Midnight's fluff
#176 Shadow: Basically asks Malee to point out breadcrumbs she found
#177 Shadow: Asks Slandaar to back up his accusations against Malee
#178 Shadow: Reiterates #177
#179 Shadow: Calls Slandaar hypocritical for demanding MoI post insights gained from Malee's #125-126
#180 WC: Answers Kdubs tunneling question with a post link to Otto #118
#181 WC: Points out Midnight's Fluff posts as requested in Peregrine #175
#182 WC: Clarifies what #181 was in response to
#183 Shadow: Is unsure is Curtis is scum or dumb
#184 Shadow: Argues against coordinated blaster shots
#185 Peregrine: Responds to WC's #181.
#186 Shadow: Votes Slandaar for his attack on Malee
#187 Kise: Gives a gut-scum read on Kdub, accuses MoI of playing the stumped card
#188 Nero: Still is pushing the Elmo-Scum theory and then accuses shadow of buddy-protecting Malee from Slandaar attack
#189 Elmo: Gives Nero scum-meta data
#190 Slandaar: Asks Elmo why he thinks he is town
#191 Andrius: Promises catchup
#192 Slandaar: Basically blows off all the questions and accusations directed at him claims town and tells everyone to go away so he can scum hunt. I don't like this post
#193 Vince: Requests /out
#194 Fennin: Votes Slandaar for attacking Malee
#195 Slandaar: Demands shadow show proof of his accusations of content
#196 Slandaar: Calls Fennin out for ingenuously scumhunting then basically goes Piano Key Neck Tie on Fennin (I invented the Piano Key Neck Tie! What have you done!? NOTHING! NOOOOTTTTHHHING!). Basically I don't like how Slandaar gets defensive against Fennin here. Slandaar basically implies that he's the king of scumhunting Fennin is faking when in reality I don't see any particular difference between the quality of each of their scumhunting efforts.
#197 Slandaar: Continues his attack on Malee and Fennin. Accuses Fennin of not reading.
#198 Slandaar: Demands Fennin answer his question about voting Kise
#199 Slandaar: Points out how Fennin acted fake excited and proceeded not to post content. I'm actually starting to like Slandaar's case more once he expanded on it.
#200 Malee: Accuses Nero of fluffing and being single sighted on Elmo, basically says Elmo is doing the same, then defends against Slandaar. I'm starting to see something come together here. Slandaar and Malee both have scum-reads on Fennin but Slandaar seems to think Malee's are insufficient or faked.
#201 Slandaar: Asks for clarification on why Fennin was scummy for his Shadow vote and following post #23
#202 Malee: Tells Slandaar to go read it again
#203 Slandaar: Still doesn't get it
#204 Ooba: Answers Nexus' question on being scum by association with Vincent or Curtis (missing relevant link), asks Malee for more clarification that Andrius is town, says MoI and SD are attacking a painfully obvious town (Elmo I assume), dislikes Fennin's vote on Slandaar, but no vote
#205 WC: Asks Ooba to clarify on his above post
#206 Kdub: Attacks Fennin for voting Slandaar
#207 WC: Calls Vincent slot town for replacing out
#208 WC: Wants to work things out with Kdub and unvotes him
#209 Slandaar: Asks WC how its not pro-scum for scum to replace out
#210 WC: Answers Slandaar about scum not feeling as intimidated as town
#211 Malee: Backs off WC's scum read, says she's leaning town on Andrius cause of gut, and responds to Slandaars bait to reveal more breadcrumbs
#212 Kdub: Says WC is playing Peregrine and Otto against each other because peregrine accused him of backpedaling after Otto said WC was tunneling
#213 Slandaar: Asks Malee to reveal why breadcrumbing yoda is scummy
#214 Slandaar: Apologizes for revealing Yoda
#215 NEro: Annoyed with Malee and Slandaar's breadcrumb talk, can't tell if theya re dumb or scum
#216 Malee: Explains why the particular crumb was so scummy
#217 WC: Explains his view of Kdub's slip, and Kdubs #212 about backpedaling/tunneling and shows Peregrine using posts predating Otto's
#218 WC: Points out that one of Fennins crumbs could point out Jar Jar (pretty stupid upon re-read, oh well)
#219 Kdub: Accepts that WC may have been reaction testing
#220 Peregrine: Asks Kise for reads on WC and Midnight
#221 Slandaar: Responds to WC #218 with a picture (yes I realize my post was stupid)
#222 WC: Wonders why Fennin would crumb a powerful role if they were town
#223 Peregrine: Disagrees with WC's stance on the Vincent /out and implies that WC knew scum had day-talk by saying that they could get their hands held, asks what WC thinks of Midnight
#224 Malee: Agrees with WCs #222
#225 Ooba: Clarifies his #204 in response to WC's #205 and agrees that Fennin's crumb was scummy
#226 WC: Responds to Peregrine's accusation of supposed day talk scum slip
#227 Ooba: Gets on the Fennin Wagon
#228 WC: Asks Ooba if MoI, Slandaar and Shadow are town
#229 Ooba: Answers Yes, Yes, No. Says Shadow was on bad-wagons Kise and Slandaar
#230 Curtis: Asks why Malee thinks crumbers are scum and that everyone that's voting Fennin for crumbing are scum
#231 WC: Explains why crumbing Yoda is scummy
#232 DN: Vote Count
#233 Slandaar: Understands why Malee had the the scum read on Fennin now and double questions why Fennin did not catch this himself
#234 WC: Says that Midnight is blaster bait because he doesn't really play mafia by the unsaid rules making it hard for town. Asks about a Blaster Pool
#235 WC: Points out VC error
#236 Malee: Says WC summed up the Crumb-Scum theory well and points out that her scum reads haven't all crumbed, just Fennin and Curtis
#237 WC: Votes Fennin and checks his vote effectiveness
#238 Malee: Thinks a blaster pool is good
#239 Malee: Answers #237 for him
#240 WC: Explains why, he wasn't in no vote either
#241 Malee: Hug and make up with Slandaar
#242 Slandaar: Doesn't think crumbing is scummy
#243 DN: Correct VC, uberninja replaces vincent
#244 Malee: Welcomes Uber
#245 Shadow: Disagrees with a Fennin Crumb wagon, asks why ooba thinks the Kise and slandar wagons were bad, has a gut feeling the Vincent replace was town
#246 Slandaar: Asks Shadow for quotes
#247 Midnight: Responds to various accusation and basically jokes and blows them all off
#248 Malee: Responds to Shadow #245 and agrees on vincent replace theory
#249 Elmo: Promise Post
#250 Kdub: Not convinced on th crumb-scum theory but wants slandaar and fennin to discuss it more
#251 MoI: Questions Elmo's town read of Curtis, suspects that the VT role was replaced by the blaster role and accuses kdub of being scum for ignorance of blaster mechanics, says Slandaar's attack on Malee was weak, , accuses Peregrine of soft attacking WC, disagrees with the vincent/out theory, and disagrees with the Blaster Pool idea, votes WC
#252 Peregrine: Presses WC issues
#253 Peregrine: Accuses Midnight of no scum hunting
#254 Shadow: Says no need for walls
#255 Peregrine: Suspicious of Fennin claim

#256-324: I need a break. Will finish this later

#325 Slandaar: thinks MoI is distracting from Fennin/Malee lynch efforts, implying that Slandaar thinks MoI is scum with Fennin/Malee
#326 MoI: Attacks Malee for yelling BREADCRUMB!
#327 MoI: Attacks Slandaar for ducking questions.

[WrathChild]

The above post would have been better served in personal notes.

In most cases you're right but when the majority of the game at this point is located off-thread, I figured this would be useful. Skip over it if you want. Makes no difference to me.

1. It appears that the game is archived somewhere. Where is the archive?

2. WrathC, perhaps you could group your impressions into themes after you finish....

1. Should be linked in the first few posts.
2. Planned on it.

[WrathChild]

Should there be a post restriction in one of my games, the punishment for ignoring it would be further post restrictions. Once it gets to the point of being ignored to much, then I will be forced to incapacitate the player. This may or may not mean Mod Killing.

As for the status of rebooting this game, the following players have yet to respond to my messages or post in thread:
*Kurtis
*ChannelDelibird
*Otto Von Clark
*Fennin

This does not include Vincent, Kise, and Malee who have dropped out.

That is seven possible replacements which seem to be tough to find. People who have expressed interest have yet to respond to my follow ups. I promise I will do the best I can to get this game full and playable again. In the mean time, all you (as the players) can do is catch back up with the link I posted. I just need a little more time and I am sorry for any delays.

Let me know if you have any more questions or need a status update!

This actually makes me sad and takes a lot of wind out of my sales. I spent a lot of time going back through the archive and planned on spending more. However, if this games is going to collapse due to tiger attack, I may hold off on dedicating a lot more time to it.

@DN: Can we get updates on the game status and likely hood of it being able to continue? If we are left without replacements would there be mod-kills or would the game go into the DNF bin?

[WrathChild]

EBWOP: Sails not Sales

[WrathChild]

This game will not die even if I have to replace all seven inactives. Just play the game normally for now and the replacements will start flowing in soon.

Ok, thank you. I didn't know if we were gonna get shut down or have a mass modicide or what. Sounds good. I'll finish reading and summarize my thought then.

[WrathChild]

Shadow, the case on Fennin is not just the breadcrumb thing. I will read through the old posts tomorrow and provide quotes from him that establish why I suspect him.

This is one of the things I noticed too on the re-read. Somehow the Fennin case became all about the crumbing, but there were actually some other good points against him as well.

I have to travel on Sunday, but I'm hoping for some airport down time to finish my recap and conclusions. However, I am a bit concerned that there aren't any other people actually trying to do the same thing themselves.

[WrathChild]

I'm on the road, but think I'll have some time this morning after breakfast.

Hey, Slaand,
High post count does not = town BTW.

[WrathChild]

Hey WC
Large Walls of nothingness not = town BTW.

I'm not the one saying I'm town because I posted a lot. Wall of nothingness is not finished btw. I just happen to have a business trip this week and am having a hard time finishing it.

[WrathChild]

Ok, like I mentioned I'm on the road right now, but I'm taking some time tonight to finish my previous thread re-read and then I'll post my impressions from that I promised, but kind of a lot has happened since then, mainly the Slandaar thing. I don't like the 1 v 1 challenge he threw out there because I don't think 1 v 1s ever are protown. They're a bunch of chest thumping and muscle flexing but its never a good thing to turbo lynch anyone day 2.

[WrathChild]

Fast Re-Read through the game:
#3-23: RVS
#24 Ooba: First real vote of the game on Fenin for what he sees as an insincere post
#25-29: RVS
#30 Andrius: Mentions the possibility of a Kise-Scum Slip for mentioning Imperial Scum in #3
#31 Shadow: Recap with questions directed at 8 different players. Not much else to see here.
#32 Andrius: Defends against Wall accusation in #31
#33 Kise: Implies his Darth Maul claim in the RVS was not necessarily true
#34 Slandaar: Votes Fennin for being wishy washy
#35-49: RVS
#50 Kdub: Says that he thought it was forbidden for Jedi to love regarding Nero Cain and Kdub's lovers claim/joke. However at no point did Nero Cain claim Jedi.
#51 Death Note: VC
#52-55: RVS
#56 Kurtis: Votes Channe Delibird and nothing else
#57 Nexus: Votes Kurtis for #56 not commenting on anything else
#58: RVS
#59 Ooba: Directs questions/comments at 4 other players, overall no real content
#60 Shadow: Joke Post
#61 MoI: Agrees with Ooba #24 vs. Fennin. Calls Peregrine out for posting fluff. Asks Elmo why he votes Malee. Calls Kise out for voting Malee while calling Fennin scum. Implies he thinks Kdub is town for Imperial Scum comment.
#62 Nero Cain: Joke Post
#63: RVS
#64 Kdub: Votes Iec for being too quiet.
#65 Kise: Insists that Malee is scum and will park her vote until there's a good wagon to join.
#66 Nero: Votes Elmo giving no reason
#67 Malee: Says that her vote on Fennin was not based on scumminess but him being a smartass instead.
#68 Slandaar: Votes Kise giving no reason
#69 Fennin: Asks why everyone is picking on him then votes Kise giving no reason.
#70 Slandaar: Asks why Fennin is voting Kise for no reason like he did.
#71 Andrius: Wall post with little actual content
#72 Elmo: Says he has his reasoning for voting Malee, but then says it was a joke.
#73 Shadow: Calls Andrius out again for answering for Kise
#74 Peregrine: Responds to MoI calling him a fluffer by saying he was only following rules and questioning why he ignored the Lovers claim from Nero and Kdub, which was obviously a joke. Other than that just more fluff.
#75 Nexus: Responds to #74 punt waffle question
#76 Kurtis: Accuses Nexus and CDB of scumbuddy insulting each other.
#77 Shadow: Asks Peregrine why it is his job to enforce joke rules.
#78 WC: Responds to Peregrine #74 and calls stupid joke rule stupid.
#79 Malee: Asks why Kurtis declared RVS over in #76
#80 Kurtis: Answers #79 with "Because I'm the Law"
#81 Iec: Catchup post. Calls Elmo scum for #52 and Slandaar town for no reason.
#82 Malee: Calls Kurtis out on #80 pointing out the hypocrisy of it
#83 Nexus: Calls Kurtis Scum but no vote
#84 DN: VC
#85 Shadow: Says Kurtis is BSing but no vote
#86 Shadow: Says Vincent's inactivity and failure to contribute content is scummy. Points out Iec using 3rd person.
#87 Iec: Admits to using 3rd person
#88 Malee: Points out that she's seen breadcrumbs and asks the reasoning for it and a posting restriction for Iec
#89 Ooba: Says Slandaar and Iec are town for no reason
#90 Malee: Responds to joke in #89
#91 Shadow: Advises Malee not to point out breadcrumbs
#92 Slandaar: Goes along with #89
#93 Kise: Clarifies how Fennin screwed up with the awesome abillity
#94 Kdub: Asks Malee about Elmo OMGUS comment and Iec about Slandaar town. Votes Kurtis for his nexus attack and fluff
#95 Midnight: Votes Kurtis and agrees with #94
#96-97: Jokes
#98 MoI: Tells Iec to stop faking Post Restriction, Calls Malee cute and demands the top 3 scum picks right away, calls Kurtis a bad player, says Kise was more interested in distancing than scum, says we should shoot Slandaar for #70, says Kise dodged questions because Andy answered for him, calls Peregrine a fluffer again, calls Ooba's random town claims scummy
#99 Kise: Responds to MoI constant search for scum motivation by saying that sometimes scum don't always have motivation and react on whims. Doesn't like the 1-2 vote on Kurtis by Kdub and Midnight, says shadows questions are transparent
#100-25: Missing
#125 Malee: First half of #126, see below
#126 Malee: Last half of a player by player analysis, Leaning scum : Kurtis, Wrathchild, Fennin, Kise
Leaning town : MagnaOfIllusion, Andrius, Otto Von Clark
Null : everyone else.
#127 Slandaar: Calls Malee's #125-126 hollow and pointless at this stage of the game. Calls it a Town-Looking analysis
#128 Malee: Responds to #127 saying that it was not intended to "look town" but instead was a response to MoI's request in #98
#129 Slandaar: Says hes town for posting more than most. Calls Malee scum, no vote
#130 Malee: Responds to #129 saying quantity doesn't mean quality and calls Slandaar out for wanting to blaster Vince
#131 Slandaar: Says its funny Malee didn't mention the blaster comment before
#132 Malee: Says that she was mid-post when it happened
#133 Slandaar: Asks why its a scummy comment to want to blaster vince
#134 Slandaar: Builds case on Malee based on #127, also mentions how the reads on Vince, Nero and Fennin don't match up
#135 Malee: Explains why it is scummy to want to Blaster Vince but not vote him
#136 Slandaar: "hes had 3 posts at various points to show any kind of scumhunting intent
he has failed to do so
the vote thing ties into this
hes scummy
he needs to die and is an easy vote for scum if hes town so we blaster him... seems pretty obvious to me"
-This reads to me like Slandaar is implying that he knows Vince is town.
#137 Malee: Defends against #134 and #136 (well in my opinion)
#138 Nero: Continues to suspect the Elmo slot but admits he can't convince people, didn't like the WC vote on kdub for calling Nero a Jedi, accuses Malee of fear mongering.
#139 WC: Explains how he felt the Kdub-Nero-Jedi-Lovers thing was a slip and how he chose to pursue it. Addresses Otto's suspicion on him further by explaining how his case was being taken out of context.
#140 MoI: Further questions WC's slip case and chides him for thinking he got a RVS vote regardless of the position of the game, explains to Malee why a Lurker Blasting would benefit town, says that Vincent and Kurtis are front-runners for blasting, agrees with NC's fear mongering comment against Malee in #138, jumps on Slandaar for calling Malee scummy
#141 Kdub: Responds to my slip accusation (well in my opinion) and suggests a consensus on the Blaster Target
#142 Malee: Apologizes for using spoiler tags
#143 Malee: Agrees that we should coordinate blaster attacks
#144 Kdub: Responds to Malees concern about town consensus conflicting with personal opinion
#145 Slandaar: Still pushing that Malee's post was worthless, directed at MoI
#146 Malee: Responds to #144
#147 Ooba: Catchup post, ties Nexus to Vincent, calls WC's slip-case paranoia scum hunting, thinks Slandaar and Iec are town for posts #122 and #127, which happened to be after he randomly declared Slandaar and Iec town in #89 (this is a red flag to me), thinks Malee is scum for poor read-reasoning, thinks Vincent is scum for vibes, thinks WC is scummy for pushing the Jedi-Slip, which is odd because he thought Malee was scummy for making a bad case on WC (Definately take the time to read this post yourself people)
#148 MoI: Calls Kdub scum for pushing Blaster Consensus and discussed his town read on Malee
#149 Curtis: Votes Malee for annoying walls. WHAT!? Curtis is scum
#150-174: Missing
#175 Peregrine: Asks WC to show him Midnight's fluff
#176 Shadow: Basically asks Malee to point out breadcrumbs she found
#177 Shadow: Asks Slandaar to back up his accusations against Malee
#178 Shadow: Reiterates #177
#179 Shadow: Calls Slandaar hypocritical for demanding MoI post insights gained from Malee's #125-126
#180 WC: Answers Kdubs tunneling question with a post link to Otto #118
#181 WC: Points out Midnight's Fluff posts as requested in Peregrine #175
#182 WC: Clarifies what #181 was in response to
#183 Shadow: Is unsure is Curtis is scum or dumb
#184 Shadow: Argues against coordinated blaster shots
#185 Peregrine: Responds to WC's #181.
#186 Shadow: Votes Slandaar for his attack on Malee
#187 Kise: Gives a gut-scum read on Kdub, accuses MoI of playing the stumped card
#188 Nero: Still is pushing the Elmo-Scum theory and then accuses shadow of buddy-protecting Malee from Slandaar attack
#189 Elmo: Gives Nero scum-meta data
#190 Slandaar: Asks Elmo why he thinks he is town
#191 Andrius: Promises catchup
#192 Slandaar: Basically blows off all the questions and accusations directed at him claims town and tells everyone to go away so he can scum hunt. I don't like this post
#193 Vince: Requests /out
#194 Fennin: Votes Slandaar for attacking Malee
#195 Slandaar: Demands shadow show proof of his accusations of content
#196 Slandaar: Calls Fennin out for ingenuously scumhunting then basically goes Piano Key Neck Tie on Fennin (I invented the Piano Key Neck Tie! What have you done!? NOTHING! NOOOOTTTTHHHING!). Basically I don't like how Slandaar gets defensive against Fennin here. Slandaar basically implies that he's the king of scumhunting Fennin is faking when in reality I don't see any particular difference between the quality of each of their scumhunting efforts.
#197 Slandaar: Continues his attack on Malee and Fennin. Accuses Fennin of not reading.
#198 Slandaar: Demands Fennin answer his question about voting Kise
#199 Slandaar: Points out how Fennin acted fake excited and proceeded not to post content. I'm actually starting to like Slandaar's case more once he expanded on it.
#200 Malee: Accuses Nero of fluffing and being single sighted on Elmo, basically says Elmo is doing the same, then defends against Slandaar. I'm starting to see something come together here. Slandaar and Malee both have scum-reads on Fennin but Slandaar seems to think Malee's are insufficient or faked.
#201 Slandaar: Asks for clarification on why Fennin was scummy for his Shadow vote and following post #23
#202 Malee: Tells Slandaar to go read it again
#203 Slandaar: Still doesn't get it
#204 Ooba: Answers Nexus' question on being scum by association with Vincent or Curtis (missing relevant link), asks Malee for more clarification that Andrius is town, says MoI and SD are attacking a painfully obvious town (Elmo I assume), dislikes Fennin's vote on Slandaar, but no vote
#205 WC: Asks Ooba to clarify on his above post
#206 Kdub: Attacks Fennin for voting Slandaar
#207 WC: Calls Vincent slot town for replacing out
#208 WC: Wants to work things out with Kdub and unvotes him
#209 Slandaar: Asks WC how its not pro-scum for scum to replace out
#210 WC: Answers Slandaar about scum not feeling as intimidated as town
#211 Malee: Backs off WC's scum read, says she's leaning town on Andrius cause of gut, and responds to Slandaars bait to reveal more breadcrumbs
#212 Kdub: Says WC is playing Peregrine and Otto against each other because peregrine accused him of backpedaling after Otto said WC was tunneling
#213 Slandaar: Asks Malee to reveal why breadcrumbing yoda is scummy
#214 Slandaar: Apologizes for revealing Yoda
#215 NEro: Annoyed with Malee and Slandaar's breadcrumb talk, can't tell if theya re dumb or scum
#216 Malee: Explains why the particular crumb was so scummy
#217 WC: Explains his view of Kdub's slip, and Kdubs #212 about backpedaling/tunneling and shows Peregrine using posts predating Otto's
#218 WC: Points out that one of Fennins crumbs could point out Jar Jar (pretty stupid upon re-read, oh well)
#219 Kdub: Accepts that WC may have been reaction testing
#220 Peregrine: Asks Kise for reads on WC and Midnight
#221 Slandaar: Responds to WC #218 with a picture (yes I realize my post was stupid)
#222 WC: Wonders why Fennin would crumb a powerful role if they were town
#223 Peregrine: Disagrees with WC's stance on the Vincent /out and implies that WC knew scum had day-talk by saying that they could get their hands held, asks what WC thinks of Midnight
#224 Malee: Agrees with WCs #222
#225 Ooba: Clarifies his #204 in response to WC's #205 and agrees that Fennin's crumb was scummy
#226 WC: Responds to Peregrine's accusation of supposed day talk scum slip
#227 Ooba: Gets on the Fennin Wagon
#228 WC: Asks Ooba if MoI, Slandaar and Shadow are town
#229 Ooba: Answers Yes, Yes, No. Says Shadow was on bad-wagons Kise and Slandaar
#230 Curtis: Asks why Malee thinks crumbers are scum and that everyone that's voting Fennin for crumbing are scum
#231 WC: Explains why crumbing Yoda is scummy
#232 DN: Vote Count
#233 Slandaar: Understands why Malee had the the scum read on Fennin now and double questions why Fennin did not catch this himself
#234 WC: Says that Midnight is blaster bait because he doesn't really play mafia by the unsaid rules making it hard for town. Asks about a Blaster Pool
#235 WC: Points out VC error
#236 Malee: Says WC summed up the Crumb-Scum theory well and points out that her scum reads haven't all crumbed, just Fennin and Curtis
#237 WC: Votes Fennin and checks his vote effectiveness
#238 Malee: Thinks a blaster pool is good
#239 Malee: Answers #237 for him
#240 WC: Explains why, he wasn't in no vote either
#241 Malee: Hug and make up with Slandaar
#242 Slandaar: Doesn't think crumbing is scummy
#243 DN: Correct VC, uberninja replaces vincent
#244 Malee: Welcomes Uber
#245 Shadow: Disagrees with a Fennin Crumb wagon, asks why ooba thinks the Kise and slandar wagons were bad, has a gut feeling the Vincent replace was town
#246 Slandaar: Asks Shadow for quotes
#247 Midnight: Responds to various accusation and basically jokes and blows them all off
#248 Malee: Responds to Shadow #245 and agrees on vincent replace theory
#249 Elmo: Promise Post
#250 Kdub: Not convinced on th crumb-scum theory but wants slandaar and fennin to discuss it more
#251 MoI: Questions Elmo's town read of Curtis, suspects that the VT role was replaced by the blaster role and accuses kdub of being scum for ignorance of blaster mechanics, says Slandaar's attack on Malee was weak, , accuses Peregrine of soft attacking WC, disagrees with the vincent/out theory, and disagrees with the Blaster Pool idea, votes WC
#252 Peregrine: Presses WC issues
#253 Peregrine: Accuses Midnight of no scum hunting
#254 Shadow: Says no need for walls
#255 Peregrine: Suspicious of Fennin claim

#256-324: I need a break. Will finish this later

#325 Slandaar: thinks MoI is distracting from Fennin/Malee lynch efforts, implying that Slandaar thinks MoI is scum with Fennin/Malee
#326 MoI: Attacks Malee for yelling BREADCRUMB!
#327 MoI: Attacks Slandaar for ducking questions.

#256 Shadow: Addresses Malee #248, and questions how reserved she was with her votes and points out some suspicious posts/actions by Kurtis, Slan, Kise, and says they are more suspicious than a Fennin breadcrumb
#257 Elmo: Really derps the claim and thinks A) Fennin could be a storm trooper and B) Stormtroopers are bad mmmkay?
#258 DN: Armored saint replaces Uberninja
#259 Elmo: More jibberish
#260 Saint: Promise Post
#261 WC: Responds to MoI's accusations in #251
#262 WC: Stands by the feeling that the replace out = town for now
#263 Slandaar: Asks MoI what the problem with #190 & 192 was
#264 Slandaar: Says shadow is scum for not backing up what he says about voting Slandaar for his attack on Malee
#265 Slandaar: Articulates #264
#266 Saint: Says WC replace out read is scummy
#267 Malee: Asks if Saint is a hydra
#268 Malee: Responds to Shadow #256 and says she has scum reads on Fennin and Kurtis, but not together
#269 Saint: Asks what a hydra is
#270 Malee: Answers #269 and points out that the difference in posting styles of #269 and #266
#271 Saint: Asks if Malee thinks Saint is mafia
#272 Malee: Tells Saint he never said any such thing and not to get worked up about it
#273 Shadow: Accuses Slandaar of an OMGUS
#274 Ooba: Promise post
#275 Slandaar: Responds to #273 with some quotes that don't really prove his point. His move against Shadow seems like a fail case to me.
#276 MoI: Accuses Peregrine of vote hoping, accuses WC of using charged language, using personal experience for bad logic, role fishing with an open ended statement, argues against a blaster pool, points out the contradiction of Slandaar 190/192 and also points out Slandaar fail-casing Shadow
#277 Nexus: Declares VLA
#278 DN: VC
#279 Slandaar: Says Fenin knew that Malee fluff walled and didn't attack her therefore Fenin is scum. This is kind of a stretch IMO
#280 MoI: Disagrees with above and says there have been many more fluff-posters than Malee, continues to attack Slandaar
#281 Slandaar: Really starts flaing here and basically says "No! You More!" at MoI. Feels like a restrained OMGUS at MoI.
#282 Iec: Promise post (breaks posting restriction)
#283 Iec: Fixes above
#284 Iec: Votes WC for his replace out town read, says Otto #118 is scummy, Malee scummy for 130, Ooba town (no reasoning), Nero-Town for 138, Kurtis-Scum for 149, Midnight-Town (no reasoning), votes Fennin, says Shadow and Peregrine suck, Ooba town (2nd time), says MoI is scum if Fennin is scum and then WC is Town.
#285 Iec: Points out mod-anger for failure of posting restriction
#286 Elmo: Points out Iec is Jar Jar, thanks Elmo
#287 Iec: Expands on restriction details
#288 Midnight: Promise post
#289 Saint: Vote Malee says die scum die
#290 Midnight: Says saint is stupid
#291 Fennin: Promise post and claims Yoda, doesn't get whats wrong with that
#292 Malee: Says saint is stupid and explains whats scummy about Fennin's claim
#293 Slandaar: Posting restriction joke
#294 Malee: Says Saint is bullying
#295 Slandaar: Asks Malee for her read on Slandaar
#296 Nero: Promise post, says he has gut scum read on Elmo
#297 Kdub: Reiterates the Fennin case and clarifies it was not just a bread crumb thing, points out WC-Peregrine slip accusations back and forth.
#298 Saint: Trollo
#299 Otto: Says saint is stupid
#300 Nexus: Calls saint a troll
#301 Slandaar: Supports Saint-Troll because he's voting Malee
#302 Midnight: Calls saint a troll
#303 MoI: Calls saint a troll
#304 DN: Promises saint ban
#305 Malee: Responds to Slandaar and says slandaar is slightly scum and that Saint is stupid
#306 WC: Retracts town read due to Troll attack in that slot
#307 Peregrine: Responds to Elmo #259 and says no flavor specing here. Seems odd to focus on this out of everything that happened between then and this point
#308 Malee: Accuses WC on using the convenience of Saint-Troll to retract his town read on the slot based on Replace out
#309 Peregrine: Says Midnight has posted low quality and quantity
#310 WC: Responds to MoI #276
#311 WC: Explains to Malee #308 the difference between the circumstances and why the Vincent slot can no longer be considered town
#312 Peregrine: Attacks the Fennin crumb
#313 Malee: Responds to #312
#314 WC: Expands on why the Fennin crumb was scummy, but can't decide if its scum or dumb play
#315 Iec: Explains his midnight-town read, but basically boils it down to gut. Breaks posting restriction
#316 IEc: Claims scolding by Mod
#317 Shadow: Calls the Fennin case nonsense
#318 Iec: Explains crumb-scum and says Fennin is scummy on top of the crumbing
#319 Kise: Promise Post
#320 MoI: Asks Ooba to clarify his stance on Slandaar-Town, asks Otto for top 3 scum, doesnt like Kise empty promise #319, accuses IEc of chainsaw defense for Slandaar, attacks slandaar more, threatens to blast slandaar tonight, responds to WC #310
#321 Iec: Lols at MoI
#322 Iec: Claims relevant content
#323 MoI: Lols at Iec's Lols
#324 Malee: Responds to crumbing case, says Fennin and Kurtis appear to be distancing.
#325-327: See original post
#328: Accuses MoI of Hero-Syndrome
#329: Kurtis: VLA
#330 Iec: Points out that he was actually accusing MoI of being scummy, not Ooba
#331 Iec: Clarifies #330
#332 Iec: Top 3 scums WC, Fennin and MoI, but says they all can't be scum together, but maybe Fennin and MoI can be together. Advocates blastering MoI.
#333 Ooba: Explains his town read on Slandaar for "mirroring his thoughts", questions WC's trolling = scum stance (incorrect), says Iec is town (no reasoning)
#334 Iec: Fixes posting restriction fail
#335 Slandaar: Accuses MoI of distracting from Fennin and Malee lynches
#336 Iec: Agrees with #335
#337 Fennin: Claims special jedi powers, thinks Slandaar is town and votes Nero for focusing on inactive Elmo
#338 Nero: Still says Elmo is scummy and aggrees with WC that it is generally believed replace outs are often more town
#339 Nero: Tag fix
#340 Nero: Supports the lynch of Malee, Elmo, WC or Fennin
#341 DN: Vote Count
#342 Channel Delibird: Promise Post
#343 DN: Fox replaces Saint

[WrathChild]

Ok thank god that's done. I'm dead tired now and about shit a brick when I hit submit and it sent me to the log in screen for taking too long. Thank god it cached when I went back. I can't possibly post my reads right now (2am, must sleep), but have notes on paper, so when I get a chance to summarize tomorrow I will.

[WrathChild]

Impressions from Re-Read:

1. Kurtis' participation has been minimal. What posts he has are contentless or scummy. Look at #56, #76 and #230.
2. Peregrine has been posting fluff and has yet to do any real scum hunting. #74 in particular, Peregrine basically said "Yeah I am posting fluff, here's more fluff". The only real attacks Peregrine has made have been on the coatails of others versus my self and Fennin. In post #253 he accuses Midnight of no scum hunting (constantly asks for other peoples reads on midnight as well and attacks him in #309 as well, which is ironic because in post #175 he asks me to point out Midnight's "Fluff posting" implying that I was defacing Midnight's good name by saying something he says 75 posts later. Peregrine has really pushed the lynch to land on me, but what really stands out to me about Peregrine is that in post #307, Peregrine comes back and responds to single Derp post by elmo 50 posts earlier, ignoring several important issues that arose during that time including but not limited to Vincent Out Saint Troll in, Fennin Yoda claim, Iec Jar Jar claim and restriction reveal, Slandaar's attack on shadow. When I read the Elmo post (#259) I felt it was jibber jabber and did not warrant any other response than a head slap. I just feels weird that's what he'd come in and focus on first thing. Also, following the rebirth of the thread Peregrine has made no effort.
3. Generally I get a sincere feeling from Malee's posts (maybe some ignorance on the issues with pointing out breadcrumbs) and felt that the Slandaar attack against her was a fail case and was pushed way too long. However, I felt that Slandaar's case against Fennin was better constructed. Later though Fennin votes Slandaar for attacking Malee, something about this seems important to me but I can't put my finger on it. The problem with Slandaar is that he seems to be over-aggressive and defensive at the same time. I need to meta him to see if this is normal. I do take it as a good sign that he was willing to back off Malee eventually.
4. Nexus has been near useless/scummy
5. Kdub makes a good case against Fennin pre-crumbgate. I get a protown feeling from Kdub.
6. Ooba's posts seem a bit hollow. #89 he declares Slandaar and Iec are town for no reason. #149 he echoes his comments in #89 but he also attacks me for pushing the jed-slip case but also attacks Malee for a bad case on me. In #204 and #205 he chides Fennin for voting Slandaar but does not move his vote. He doesn't finally reveal his reasoning for thinking Slandaar is town until post #333 in which he says it for mirroring his thoughts. Again he declares Iec town for no reason. Finally he misreps me by saying that I said Trolls = Scum, when in fact I said Trolls don't get replace out town-cred. I have a bad feeling about Ooba.
7. The Fennin issues have been beat to death, but they're issues non-the-less. I don't think I need to recap them all here. Malee, Kdub and Slandaar have all made initial attacks on Fennin, so I'd keep them in the clear if Fennin flips scum.
8. I think MoI has been pro-town and don't like the Slandaar lashes at him lately. I don't know MoI's meta totally but I played on the scum team with him in one of my first games here and he's playing very different this game.
9. Midnight has contributed nearly nothing and post #247 really rubs me the wrong way, where after a long posting gap he basically comes in and jokes and leaves commenting on none of the content. Peregrine has been pushing Midnight suspicions (not in the best way), so if Midnight flips scum I may give Peregrine a pass. It troubles me that Iec declared Midnight town in post #284 and #315 basically boiling it down to a gut read.
10. I don't think Iec is faking the posting restriction, I don't think scum would be given that post restriction, which is why I was troubled by what I wrote in the point above.
11. Channel Delibird, Elmo, Kurtis, Midnight, Andy and Nexus have all been pretty worthless this game. I need to double check who's replacing out.

So those are my feelings from the re-read. Now I need to look at current events more closely.

[WrathChild]

Sorry, I got addicted to boardgamegeek during the site break and forgot about this for the last two days - I'm back to my usual posting self (I hope) …

Things of note in new thread:

I did not receive a prod for the game.

Shadow

+: Calling out Nero for vote on Iece
-: Reducing Fennin's case to "breadcrumb=scummy"

Slandaar

Seems different somehow. I'll attribute it to the fact that "loss of thread"+"posting gap" is disorienting.
Slandaar vs SD reminds me of this exchange:
- Elmo votes me for not posting
- I post soon thereafter (coincidence)
- He says it is indicative of scum
- My thoughts at that time were "Rotten Logic. I would have never done that as scum (i.e the timing of it all)"

Nero:

-: Has mentioned his vote in this thread was RVS or non serious. But then calls out SD for "chainsawing" implying SD and Iece are partners and he called Iece as scum.
Addn: Shifting this to neutral because his definition of chainsaw is different from mine: "A chainsaw is player C attacks player B for attacking player A.

A and C are scumbuddies

". Will have to check if Nero sticks to this definition of "chainsaw" in other games.

- WC's 75 reminds me of LC's post in Battle for Olympus. A small post damaging the credibility of one player while seemingly looking "active".

Foxace

(who replaced Vincent):
-: Attacking Iece for post-restriction slippage
-: Reading the gist and calling Magna vs Slandaar TvT (or TvsScumTryingTooHard)

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@Magna:
- Fennin was (is) no where to be seen. WC's notes were interesting but I wanted to see it's conclusion (i.e his scum list) before I open up the zip.
- I also think you're wrong about Slaandar. I'd like to point out the logical vs emotional theory I had earlier. Can see parallels with respect to Chess and Gandalf in BoM. (I'm not sure if I responded to SD's statement about chess being a "troll" that game; I thought he wasn't trolling and was trying hard to scumhunt until called out)

Unvote.Vote: WC

on account of being my #2 suspect in the earlier thread and post 75 in this one. I also have my reservations against post 21 in this thread but I'll wait till you finish and reply to it en masse.

So you're not the only one calling #75 scummy, however I fail to see what was scummy about it. Please expand.

[WrathChild]

So those are my feelings from the re-read. Now I need to look at current events more closely.

Hey, Magna. The reason I didn't take solid stances in that post was because I needed to analyze current events first. I'm not like Slandaar and I'm not running around throwing my hands up in the air yelling OMG Scum!

Welcome idanyboy. Content stat please!

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After Post 198 I feel even better about my vote and this wagon. I’ll summarize his conclusions –

1. Kurtis’s slot was useless.
2. Peregine is not scum-hunting and fluffing.
3. Malee is Town and Slandaar is being fence-sat upon.
4. First sighting of actual direct comment that someone is scummy. Note, unlike the long posts at 2 and 3 where there is tons of verbage Wrath has no reason WHY Nexus is scummy.
5. Kdub is Town. Given I’ve already pegged them as possible partners this is not surprising.
6. Ooba’s postings are hollow and he has ‘bad feelings’ about him. I need to go back and see what Wrath’s feeling were prior to ooba’s vote on him.
7. Fennin has issues surrounding him but Wrath doesn’t want to repeat (as in actually take a stance) on them. Malee, kdub and Slandaar are all Town if he flips scum (despite the fact he’s already called two of the three Town).
8. I’m Town. I hate buddying.
9. Midnight is useless.
10. Iec isn’t faking a post restriction and I’m going to call him not scum via Mod Outguessing.
11. CDB, Elmo, Kurtis (again), Midnight (again), Andy and Nexus (again, but he was also scummy earlier) are useless.

So when you get to actual commitment to positions in this thread we have –

Nexus is scummy.
Malee and Kdub are Town.

That’s it. The rest is fence-sitting / non committal garbage. Not to mention that lumping Andy in with CDB and the rest is so incorrect (he doesn’t have a ton of posts but has more content than at least half the player-list) it hurts my brain.

Who is Wrath voting? Nobody. No vote since the thread re-opened

When you write as much as Wrath has but commit to basically zero postitions on who is scum it’s active lurking seeking Town activity points.

More Wrath votes!

Additionally let me translate something for you useless = scummy.

Andy has only recently started to contribute. Look at the archive. How are my town reads fence-sitting? I was getting my re-read done and putting down my initial thoughts before I went through the current thread events which should certainly have an impact on my reads from the original thread. And calling me out for not voting? Come on, the tiger attack sent this game in a tail spin and it came back online while I was on a business trip. I'm not capable of just hitting the ground on this thread at the moment. Plenty of other players aren't voting.

[WrathChild]

Impressions from Re-Read:

1. Kurtis' participation has been minimal. What posts he has are contentless or scummy. Look at #56, #76 and #230.
2. Peregrine has been posting fluff and has yet to do any real scum hunting. #74 in particular, Peregrine basically said "Yeah I am posting fluff, here's more fluff". The only real attacks Peregrine has made have been on the coatails of others versus my self and Fennin. In post #253 he accuses Midnight of no scum hunting (constantly asks for other peoples reads on midnight as well and attacks him in #309 as well, which is ironic because in post #175 he asks me to point out Midnight's "Fluff posting" implying that I was defacing Midnight's good name by saying something he says 75 posts later. Peregrine has really pushed the lynch to land on me, but what really stands out to me about Peregrine is that in post #307, Peregrine comes back and responds to single Derp post by elmo 50 posts earlier, ignoring several important issues that arose during that time including but not limited to Vincent Out Saint Troll in, Fennin Yoda claim, Iec Jar Jar claim and restriction reveal, Slandaar's attack on shadow. When I read the Elmo post (#259) I felt it was jibber jabber and did not warrant any other response than a head slap. I just feels weird that's what he'd come in and focus on first thing. Also, following the rebirth of the thread Peregrine has made no effort.
3. Generally I get a sincere feeling from Malee's posts (maybe some ignorance on the issues with pointing out breadcrumbs) and felt that the Slandaar attack against her was a fail case and was pushed way too long. However, I felt that Slandaar's case against Fennin was better constructed. Later though Fennin votes Slandaar for attacking Malee, something about this seems important to me but I can't put my finger on it. The problem with Slandaar is that he seems to be over-aggressive and defensive at the same time. I need to meta him to see if this is normal. I do take it as a good sign that he was willing to back off Malee eventually.
4. Nexus has been near useless/scummy
5. Kdub makes a good case against Fennin pre-crumbgate. I get a protown feeling from Kdub.
6. Ooba's posts seem a bit hollow. #89 he declares Slandaar and Iec are town for no reason. #149 he echoes his comments in #89 but he also attacks me for pushing the jed-slip case but also attacks Malee for a bad case on me. In #204 and #205 he chides Fennin for voting Slandaar but does not move his vote. He doesn't finally reveal his reasoning for thinking Slandaar is town until post #333 in which he says it for mirroring his thoughts. Again he declares Iec town for no reason. Finally he misreps me by saying that I said Trolls = Scum, when in fact I said Trolls don't get replace out town-cred. I have a bad feeling about Ooba.
7. The Fennin issues have been beat to death, but they're issues non-the-less. I don't think I need to recap them all here. Malee, Kdub and Slandaar have all made initial attacks on Fennin, so I'd keep them in the clear if Fennin flips scum.
8. I think MoI has been pro-town and don't like the Slandaar lashes at him lately. I don't know MoI's meta totally but I played on the scum team with him in one of my first games here and he's playing very different this game.
9. Midnight has contributed nearly nothing and post #247 really rubs me the wrong way, where after a long posting gap he basically comes in and jokes and leaves commenting on none of the content. Peregrine has been pushing Midnight suspicions (not in the best way), so if Midnight flips scum I may give Peregrine a pass. It troubles me that Iec declared Midnight town in post #284 and #315 basically boiling it down to a gut read.
10. I don't think Iec is faking the posting restriction, I don't think scum would be given that post restriction, which is why I was troubled by what I wrote in the point above.
11. Channel Delibird, Elmo, Kurtis, Midnight, Andy and Nexus have all been pretty worthless this game. I need to double check who's replacing out.

So those are my feelings from the re-read. Now I need to look at current events more closely.

Welcome idanyboy. Content stat please!

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After Post 198 I feel even better about my vote and this wagon. I’ll summarize his conclusions –

1. Kurtis’s slot was useless.
2. Peregine is not scum-hunting and fluffing.
3. Malee is Town and Slandaar is being fence-sat upon.
4. First sighting of actual direct comment that someone is scummy. Note, unlike the long posts at 2 and 3 where there is tons of verbage Wrath has no reason WHY Nexus is scummy.
5. Kdub is Town. Given I’ve already pegged them as possible partners this is not surprising.
6. Ooba’s postings are hollow and he has ‘bad feelings’ about him. I need to go back and see what Wrath’s feeling were prior to ooba’s vote on him.
7. Fennin has issues surrounding him but Wrath doesn’t want to repeat (as in actually take a stance) on them. Malee, kdub and Slandaar are all Town if he flips scum (despite the fact he’s already called two of the three Town).
8. I’m Town. I hate buddying.
9. Midnight is useless.
10. Iec isn’t faking a post restriction and I’m going to call him not scum via Mod Outguessing.
11. CDB, Elmo, Kurtis (again), Midnight (again), Andy and Nexus (again, but he was also scummy earlier) are useless.

Can everyone please read my post and not MoI's worthless recap of it. Let me point out some important distinctions here:

1. I cite specific instances where Kurtis was suspicious. I don't just say "lurker-derp!" like MoI would have you believe.
2. I say sooooo much more than Peregrine is fluffing and not scum hunting. I point out specific concerns I have with that slot, especially since the game has restarted.
3. I'm having a hard time reading Slandaar's slot and don't act like you don't see both scummy and towny posts from him either.
4. Here MoI says this is my first reference to someone being scummy. Look at #1 please.
5. I also pointed out why I thought Kdub is town and didn't just give a "Derp-Town" read on him like Iec has been doing all game to Ooba and Midnight or how Ooba has to Elmo, Slandaar and Iec. Now there's an interesting connection. Ooba has Iec as town with no reasoning and Iec has Ooba as town with no reasoning. Why am I being falsely singled out for this?
6. I built a case much more in depth than MoI implies on Ooba. He implies like it is a "Gut-Read" but if you actually read MY post. It's not. Again I specifically cite evidence that MoI downplays or even ignores. I have a bad feeling about Ooba = Ooba is scummy, not "This is a gut case".
7. I believe my vote was on Fennin before the crash, so how is that not taking a stance? It was pretty obvious that I thought Fennin was scummy. Why is this being ignored by MoI? How does me calling Malee, Slandaar and Kdub town if Fennin flips scum elicit this response:
"(despite the fact he’s already called two of the three Town)." What!? Despite!? How does that make any sense? I called them town and they are attacking the person I've had my vote for the majority of the game before it crashed. How does "Despite" make any sense here?
8. I'm starting to question MoI's towness after this terrible straw man recap by him. I've played with MoI scum and with MoI town, but never has MoI actually lockjawed on me like this. Usually I find logic in his cases and didn't see him be this aggressive as scum. However, I was never the focus of his attacks in previous games so I can't tell if this is a biased perception or not. The recap by him was extremely poor and a pretty clear manipulation of my comments. I don't like it.
9. Again, I say sooo much more than Midnight is useless. Additionally I point out potential associations with him. Again content that is flat out ignored by MoI.
10. Mod Outguessing is a scum tell now? I also point out that the PR is not enough justify him as fully town because of what I said in #9.
11. Mentioning players aren't pulling their weight is scummy how?

[WrathChild]

But let's continue - I see you have zero focus on Wrath. What do you think of his catch-up post and subsequent reaction? Do you still think he is scum?

Yes, I still have a scum read on him. I found him suspicious pre-crash, and his posts today have been mostly empty filler that does not give me any reason to change my opinion. I simply found Fennin to be more suspicious, which is why I have focused on him more than WC. I still think you are looking to interpret any action I take in a way that fits your pre-conceived idea that WC and I are partners though. For example, if I were to
UNVOTE:
VOTE: WrathChild
...I bet you go back to calling it "distancing" between us.

Now you understand how I feel. Go back and actually read my post and then read what MoI translated that to, then read my response. No matter what I do MoI is convinced I'm scum and I'm going to spend the entire day arguing with him about and get no where because he is a more powerful poster than me. I spent a lot of time reading through the archive to just have something in thread for people (primarily myself) to read through instead of going back through the archives. I don't see how that is "empty posting". I provided a lot of insights and comments and now that the game crashed again for two weeks you all should be thankful that I posted something like that and save you a shit load of time going back through the nightmare archives... again... to get caught up. Now you can scum hunt with out wasting so much archive time. Your welcome. It will be my legacy when I die.

As far as who to lynch besides me, I would have said Fenin, but I dislike lynching people's replacements before they get to at least have a day (game) in the system.

Without going back a re-re-reading everything I would lean towards Peregrine, who has posted more content but has really said as little or less than the duddely-post-littles listed in my point 11.

With a fresh vote count, let's try this out:

Vote: Peregrine

[WrathChild]

EBWOP:

Without going back a re-re-reading everything I would lean towards Peregrine, who has posted more

frequently

but has really said as little or less than the duddely-post-littles listed in my point 11.

[WrathChild]

Now that you have caught up you need to actually explain this read.

He doesn't seem to be making much of an effort to actually scumhunt, seems to be kind of lurking on the sidelines poking at people, pointing out fairly obvious stuff or just taking the piss out of people.
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 5#p3924115
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 0#p3924140

Don't worry, MoI says Andy is obv-town, so just trust him or he'll call you scum 500 times.

[WrathChild]

@Fennin/BB: Please don't claim, I understand that I was being narrow minded about the crumb thing and I think I get it now. I suggest other people follow suit and let him live, which sucks for me because he was the most likely counter wagon to my own lynch.

However,
I would like to encourage the exploration of a Peregrine lynch. I went back and looked at his ISO since the crash and it is awful and then I went back and looked at his archive posts and realized that they were, for the most part equally poor. I know Peregrine to be a better player than what he's put into this game which leads me to believe he is not committed to actually scum hunting here in this game.

I'll post more detailed points shortly.

[WrathChild]

@Mod: Please delete above post. I tried multiquoting and it failed. It just posted the bundle before letting me even comment. On top of that the formatting is wrong and it makes it appear I'm voting when I'm not.

[WrathChild]

Peregrine Post-Crash ISO:

ISO #0: Ohhh, hooray for double RVS. This is majorly suspect. A) This is not the beginning of the game and there are hundreds of posts to analyze, B) You know who likes to over-RVS?

ISO #1: Four days between posts and all we get is another "Promise Post"? No motivation to actually find scum.

ISO #2: Just pointing out that he was notified that the day was started. Keep in mind that this was as MoI was pushing for the Sland lynch based on him not posting and saying that he was not notified the day had started. The only reason I see for this post is to instigate more suspicion on Sland. It's also ironic because at this point Peregrine has basically contributed less than Sland since the restart.

ISO #3: Huge OMGUS on me after I vote him. He also says that I misrepped him ignoring my EBWOP minutes after my original post. He even admits to not saying anything since the crash.

ISO #4: Duplicate post of above

ISO #5: Realizes how scummy ISO #3 was and immediately changes his vote to Fennin. He says I am second tier, whatever that is supposed to mean.

ISO #6: Changes his vote to Fennin's replacement and FoSes Midnight and me, but gives no reasoning to support any of this.

ISO #7: MoI called Peregrine out on ISO #6 and demanded reasons. Peregrine's response was "Early arguments with WC made him suspect, but less so now". So Peregrine, who keep in mind just OMGUS voted me, says I was scummy in the old thread, but not so much in the new one. He just called me scum in ISO #3 and FoSed me in ISO #6. He then says that he didn't like Shadow's posts in the old thread. This has no logic attached, just "I didn't like it". He says that Fennin's breadcrumb of Yoda has not been explained to his satisfaction. This implies two things, A) Fennin is scum because he breadcrumbed Yoda, and B) He would like more details on Yoda's role, aka rolefishing. I know at one point I felt the same way regarding A, but I'm pretty sure I get it now and don't think BB is scum, which makes me suspicious of Peregrine's continuous push against him for "The Crumb" and not the other things that Kdub has pointed out.

ISO #8: When BB responds with, "Why's his bread crumb matter?" Peregrine continues to try to subtly draw out role information.

ISO #9: Peregrine continues to push the crumb-scum case, which I understand now can be severely flawed. I suspect other people had caught on faster than I did, but I don't like how lockjawed in this Peregrine has been.

ISO #10: For some reason Peregrine addresses this to MoI and posts a link to the archive, but basically this is another "Promise Post".

ISO #11: Yet another "Promise Post"


ISO #

[WrathChild]

WC, if you were trying to respond to me in that big post, I'm not reading it until you fix those quote tags.

I have an opinion on the Peregrine "slip" and some subsequent reactions to it, but I'll wait until he answers the question about his role name to share.

Did I owe you a response on something? If I do, please restate your request, I seem to have missed it. That big post was a nightmare formatting glitch when trying to multiquote Peregrine's 13 post ISO since the reboot. I did it in a different format so you can ignore that piece of visual diarrhea.

[WrathChild]

@MoI: Umm, I'm the first person to push a case/lynch on Peregrine, how is that being opportunistic as you are implying?
@SoO: I have to admit you're right I'm not being as aggressive this game as I was in FF6, but I also don't feel like I'm surrounded by nearly as many frustrating players. FF6 was riddled with them.

[WrathChild]

Holy crud. What the hell just happened?

@BB: That was about the stupidest panic-claim I've ever seen. Anyone who hadn't figured your role out didn't deserve to be told and the person who did coerce you into claiming was the vote-leader and likely lynch for the day.

@BB: Firstly, you're a moron if you think any game with this amount of testers would have a role that was unkillable all by themselves. I could see them perhaps missing some strange combo, but all by yourself? Really? I don't know what 'cryptic douche' things I was saying, it was quite clear. Ironically enough, BB, I think you've succeeded. I think you're town, and I think you are going to draw the night kill. The problem is your assumption that all scum kills are going to be force related. Sure, they probably had some, but now they are going to choose their non-force related kill methods. You say to blame PeregrinV, I say you have no one to blame but yourself for losing your temper. You have the scum saying this:

I have no issues with being night killed. Stops more important PRs from being killed. I don't believe i'll be killed though, too many folks are like "OMG YOU'RE LYING" for that to happen.

And I'm only unkillable if I don't use force pull.

Wait. You and your predecessor claimed one of the most powerful PRs in the game and you think there are other PRs more powerful than yours? You have no problem being NKed!? You go back and forth from being unkillable to being untargetable by force powers and blasters and back again. Before Peregrine weaseled a claim out of you I thought it was pretty obvious your slot was town, but now I have no idea because you just farmed it so hard. Still, if Peregrine is scum as I expect he is, then I think you're just playing dumb not scum.

[WrathChild]

The fact that only BB has bothered to comment on Peregrine’s slip makes me go hmmmm…

What slip are you referring to?

Wait. You and your predecessor claimed

one of the most powerful PRs in the game

and you think there are other PRs more powerful than yours? You have no problem being NKed!? You go back and forth from being unkillable to being untargetable by force powers and blasters and back again. Before Peregrine weaseled a claim out of you I thought it was pretty obvious your slot was town, but now I have no idea because you just farmed it so hard. Still, if Peregrine is scum as I expect he is, then I think you're just playing dumb not scum.

1. Please indicate how Information roles are not considered ‘Powerful’ and important to Town in your thinking.
2. He was Town up until a scum read of yours pushed him to claim and now you don’t know? Please explain how that makes any sense.

1. Please indicate where I said information roles are not considered powerful or important to Town. However, a Bulletproof, Untargetable, Self-Redirector is definately among "ONE OF THE MOST POWERFUL PRs IN THE GAME". Another example of you misrepping me. This is actually a very scummy stab by you.
2. Wrong, if you read my summary, you'd know that I thought it was scummy when Fennin was in the slot, but when BB came in and said Fennin had a plan it was pretty obvious what that was, which made me think he was town. I don't know about him anymore because he panic-claimed far from a lynch, regardless if it was the direct result of Peregrine or not, it was still an over-eager claim. I have a really hard time telling the difference between bad and scummy play, you know this.

[WrathChild]

This is a "as I do first read" post, skimming a lot of things.


Ok, seems like this Slandaar thing is an important part of the start of this game.
I believe the "I posted in the reboot thread and didn't check it later", because I've done the same thing he's claiming to do.
However, I also think MoI is town because of this, because this seems like the type of thing he'd jump on if he were town.

That said, I don't read anything on slandaar yet

I really want to vote Shadow Dancer for trying to bring the mod into the game to confirm/deny what someone said in thread. This is ridiculous.

ugggggh foxace lost pretty much all positive thoughts I had about him with Post 143. Just awful.

The more I see Slandaar post, the more I think he's Cassandra-ing. The fact that he seems to keep bringing up the original thing reads as a "you caught me for the wrong reasons", hence why he wants to keep bringing it up.

Peregrine is probably scum

vote: Peregrine

Regardless of the weirdness of the breadcrumb, PV's actions regarding it are incredibly scummy. He kept pushing and pushing, and there's no town reason to push like that right now.


Other scum reads:
WC

worried about:
shmugen
slandaar
Iecerint

Just to clarify, you think me AND peregrine are scum?

[WrathChild]

@MoI:

1. Post 395 "Slip": I didn't know what the slip was, that's why I asked.
2. The implication!? I said ONE of the most powerful PRs, IMPLYING that there are MORE THAN ONE powerful PRs, which his surely is ONE OF. You are smoking crack and make no sense. The fact that you are even arguing this is mind-blowing.
3. How hard is it to believe that my read-progression on Fennin/BB goes as follows:

-I think Fennin is slightly scummy
-Tiger Attack
-BB Replaces in
-BB clarifies what Fennin was doing (subtly)
-I think Fennin/BB Slot is probably town
-BB panic claims with like 4 votes or something
-I think that is slightly scummy
-I am slightly confused.

The fact that you call that flip flopping is stupid. Things happened, when things happen, reads can change. Oh I forgot, once you think someone is scum, you can never think otherwise, right MoI?

4. Me and Peregrine scumbuddies?: I just thought it was pretty clear that we wanted each other dead and when whats-his-face came in and suggested it I was a bit surprised and asked him to clarify.

[WrathChild]

@MoI: I have no idea what you're talking about as far as a slip goes. I didn't in the first post and I didn't in my post and I still don't now.

Where did I call BB out with all these questions?

"1. Oh certainly reads can changed. Either because Town gets new information or scum is forced to move stances. Using that as a defense doesn’t really apply."
-So you attacked me for flip flopping, but as you say here town or scum can change stances, so you're attacking me for something town or scum can do.

"2. More undermining and insulting language noted. If you’d like to point to where I said anything to that effect be free to link there. Otherwise this is just you misrepping my position. Your play has been suspect and scummy this game. I suspect you. Later events in the game may change that read."
-All game you have had one set of reads and basically stuck to them, then you accuse me of flip flopping. I don't think I've seen you once this game change a read based on events, it's almost like you're avoiding it.

[WrathChild]

List of Topics over the last day

1)

Iec Absence

: While I'd like him to participate more, I don't blame him from getting down on a posting restriction of that caliber.
2)

NC's push to lynch me

: I find it rather suspicious that NC is trying to manipulate Hasdfgas (and others) to vote me instead of Peregrine. NC has not come out and said that he thinks Peregrine is town, he just keeps pushing other people to vote for me, despite saying that "Cow is obv scum." and "WC doesn't really give me town vibes". Yet his vote stays on me. Sidenote on NC: He sticks up for Slandaar's "Non-Notice Lurking", but attacks Elmo for it.
3)

Kdub's push on a BB lync

h: I understand where Kdub is coming from here. In post #500 and 511, he articulates his case a bit better. We'll probably have to lynch BB at some point regardless. If he IS town, scum won't kill him (even if they could), if he IS scum a claim like his is pretty standard.
4)

Peregrine

: He continues to be worthless, his posts over the last day consist of:

@BB you should have left it alone right here:

He didn't leave anything for me, it's just pretty obvious for me to see what he was trying to accomplish.

that was plenty....

If so, ask Peregrine why he kept fishing.

"Why did you do A" is not the same as "what can you do?", and you know it.
And your supposed to be investigating the person who first mentioned it, because scum notices breadcrumbs and care (right MoI?).
Once you've done all that, get back to me.

And your supposed to be investigating the person who first mentioned it, because scum notices breadcrumbs and care (right MoI?).

Scum caring are the people who kept making it an issue (like yourself).

My vote is in a good place.

Uh, no.

I flip town. What are Peregrine and Shmugen?

Town and dunno.

This all just reeks of cheeky scum. He IS more capable than this FYI.
5)

Syndrome vs. MoI

: I give Syndrome some major credit on this attack. I think his points are good and its interesting that this has not been commented on at all since he posted it. I think this is a good case and the combination of tunneling and double standards MoI has been exhibiting are very suspicious. I need to consider this versus my read on Peregrine. I think I'm going to go back and check some of MoI's scum-games and see if he is a day 1 busser or not.
6)

Andy's Wall:

Accuses Slaan of being overly defensive (among other things), and accuses me of being scum for a reason I don't understand:

WrathChild wrote:I suggest other people follow suit and let him live, which sucks for me because he was the most likely counter wagon to my own lynch.

"BRB seeing if this guy voted/pressured BBmolla.
If not then he's scum.
Almost as guaranteed as Slandaar."

Why would me not voting or pressuring BB when he was the most likely counter wagon to me make me scum?

He seems to spend most of this post challenging people to expand and throwing out questions. I typically find this a scummy action. It's a way to appear like you're contributing when all you're really doing is making others contribute more. To his credit, he does throw out some points against Slaan instead of just prodding others with questions. This post also seems to buddy MoI a lot, though I'm not sure what to make of that.
7)

Nexus is still useless

: Self-Admittedly even. As the great MoI would say PEW PEW PEW PEW (This is me saying that we should blaster the content-lite and covering my face and nuts before MoI hits me with the No-Blater-Talk-Stick).

[WrathChild]

So my reads change. They are supposed to. new posts/new information/rethinking=new reads. Malee/SK was never a town read. I actually started suspecting Malee for having a Myra(?) Jade (who is a bad guy) avatar in pre-game but switched it after the game started like she was scum and was worried about having a bad guy for a picture. Then when SK replaced in he was just generally useless and not at all like the town Sleepy I've played with before. Then I felt like Cows post was terrible. Never said I stopped suspecting Elmo. I also wasn't the one that said I have a small gut feeling on WC. Why did you misrep me like that?

Actually, you are correct on the WC thing (I misread your quote), but I think the rest of my summary is accurate just looking at your iso. So your reads change, fine. There's little explanation for

why

those reads changed to the extent they did. What was terrible about cow's post that makes him obv scum?

Yet his vote remains on me. Yet again, he tries to push others to vote me over OBV-Scum Cow.

[WrathChild]

PS
I demand a Prod or Replacement for Midnight

[WrathChild]

Why am I useless? I've outlined who I want to lynch. I'm making Slandaar squirm more. Or do you think that Slandaar is acting pro-town?

Would you rather I took a leaf out of your book and post a load of crap post by post analysis in an attempt to look busy? Fuck that.

@Nero: Schmugen is leaning scum because of his slot's actions pre-crash - I was on Kurtis from the beginning, because he was scummy as shit. Cow's giving me town vibes, and I didn't think Malee was the scummiest person around before she was replaced. KDub I haven't paid much attention to, as he hasn't shown me anything outwardly scummy. Probably need to re-read his posts.

Want a cracker?

[WrathChild]

What was terrible about cow's post that makes him obv scum?

I'm pretty sure I've already explained this. His singular scum read on WC looks like distancing. Nor do I like his leaning pile. I'm interested in why he finds the Slandaar thing so interesting, why he ignored my question, why he called Slandaar town only to have him leaning scum at the end of the post. I'm also interested in the omission of SD from his leaning pile after claiming that he'd vote him but didn't commit to a read and later calls him neutral.

NC has not come out and said that he thinks Peregrine is town, he just keeps pushing other people to vote for me, despite saying that "Cow is obv scum." and "WC doesn't really give me town vibes". Yet his vote stays on me.

Ok then, I think Pere is town. Ya happy? We are like three days to deadline, lynching scum in you is better than a no lynch. Unless there's a massive COW push in the imediate future then I doubt he's getting lynched today. Are you willng to vote him? Is anybody?

Why is Peregrine town? So you are implying that the alternatives are me or no lynch? What about Fennin/BB, Slandaar, even MoI? By my count Slandaar is the vote leader at L-6 and Peregrine is in second at L-7. As far as I can tell you have avoided discussing the lynch leaders until I prodded you. You have Slaandar mentioned as scum multiple times, but you never expand on why you think that. You haven't even mentioned the Fennin/BB thing since the Tiger Attack. You had no comments on Peregrine until I prodded you about it. Yet you want to push my lynch to avoid a no-lynch?

I'd be willing to vote Cow for the record, but still prefer Peregrine, who has, as of late made two completely unserious posts when we are at a very serious point of the day (#504 and 506).

[WrathChild]

unvote,vote: Andrius

wat

unvote, vote: shadow

Care to explain?

only up to pg.4 in the archive, scumvibes from Andrius.

up to pg. 9
scumvibes from shadow's tone

pressure is a good excuse as well.

4. Me and Peregrine scumbuddies?: I just thought it was pretty clear that we wanted each other dead and when whats-his-face came in and suggested it I was a bit surprised and asked him to clarify.

A ring-a-ding Wrath makes the exact same slip as Peregrine.

neither are slips, wrath was trying to tie himself to a townie tho.

unvote, Vote: Wrath

Uhh, what?

What townie am I trying to tie myself to? Do you know someone is town that I don't?

[WrathChild]

@MoI: You continue to farm it:

1.

Scumslip

: Did you even read the last game you modded, in which I was town, where I continually pushed the assumption that we are against a single scum team, until proven otherwise? How the fuck can you call it a scumslip when someone says "Scumbuddies" Day 1. That's the most bogus thing I've ever seen. Are you really telling me that we should be playing under the assumption that there multiple scum teams? That's bullshit. You play to the standard until proven otherwise.

2.

Questioning BB

: Yeah, his panic claim was suspicious. You ever heard of Rhetorical Questions? There's a good example. Now that that's cleared up let's look at your accusations. You said, I left room for BB to be scum in my wording:

"Still, if Peregrine is scum as I expect he is, then I think you're just playing dumb not scum."

Damn straight I did. Do you know he isn't scum? The intended meaning of that statement is pretty clear, I think Peregrine is scum and that probably means BB isn't. Oh wait MoI, we might be playing multiball right? So me making associative assumptions are scumslips right?

You're full of it of you know it. Seriously MoI, I'm looking you right in the eye and am telling you, you know this is a BS suspicion, just like your Slaandar lurking one. I know what you are and if, at this point in the day, I try to swing a wagon on you, all I am going to end up doing is getting myself, the one person I know to be town, lynched. Too many people sheep your crap (just look at the votes on me, not a single original point against me) for me to do this and my early vote on Peregrine can mean the difference between life and death for me.

3.

Manufactured reads

: You write:

"No I’ve said that Town, with new information (aka flips and more Day of play), can certainly change their opinion. I’m saying that your changes are characteristic of scum who don’t have actual reads and are manufacturing theirs."

So you said town with new information can change their opinion, but when I change my opinion its manufactured. How do you differentiate between manufactured and uniformed townie reads?

4.

Flip flopping vs. Tunneling:

So you're saying you flip flopped on Ooba and Andy? You must be scum. As far as important events, read the posts, people have and have not contributed in differing amounts. I'm not going to go through the thread and point out every single post I think might have some significance. The fact is that I don't see you getting a scum read on someone and then realizing, "Oh hey, they might actually be town". Once scum forever scum in your book and I can tell you the scum motivation in that pretty easily.

5.

Syndrome Points against MoI:

-White-Knighting/Scumbuddy preservation on Malee Day 1 Pre-Crash
-Attacking Slandaar for lurking after Reboot when other players did the same or worse
-Making OBV Town calls with little to no reasoning
-The push on Iec who apparently has a debilitating posting restriction. Seriously, posting restrictions suck and one as serious as Iec's appears to be can easily suck out motivation to post.
-Halting of Blaster Strategy

I don't agree with some of his other points (like the slips).

Now I want to make an important point here:

MoI obviously is speaking out against Blaster Strategy, but it is only to "Appear Townie" because he doesn't really mean it. How many times has he included, "PEW PEW PEW PEW" in his posts. This is subtle influencing on blaster strategies. While publicly speaking against it, he is in fact trying to control or guide blaster shots with those comments.

6. 7 Point 529 Post: Since when does ever point need to include a alignment read. Why can I not just discuss current events with out fear of being called scum for it? Let's go with your accusation that Points 1, 3, 4, and 7 are non-important (I'll address that further), you agree that point 2 and 5 do reflect reads of mine. Two reads in one post! At that point that's more content than Peregrine, Shadow, Nexus, Ooba, Midnight and Iec combined had contributed over the previous couple of days.

Now to dismissing Points 1, 3, 4 and 7. Let me translate for the MoI sheepers herer:

1. Lay off Iec, he has a shitty posting restriction
3. I say that at some point, we are going to have to lynch BB. How is this a non-important comment? Do you disagree MoI?
4. Peregrine continually being worhtless furthers my belief he is scum, so go ahead a scratch this from your "No alignment Reads list" and put it in the Reads category. So chalk another misrep up to our misrep leader, MoI!
7. This is me saying we should blaster the content lite as we are more likely to get information from lynching active posters. If anything it should get the lighter posters to be more active and we save ourselves the trouble of lynching lurkers. How is this a non-important comment? Do you disagree MoI?

Now to address, my "fence sit" on Andy. So I saw some scummy things and some townie things, this game is hard and I'm not blessed with MoI's god-given gift to be certain a player is either town or scum. I find that this type of gift is enlightened when the player already knows who is town and who is scum.

So TLDNR:

-MoI is scum. However, I need to see a VC to be sure that me switching to him at this point will not result in my lynch. With the number of players blindly sheeping him, I think it will be a hard lynch to achieve at this point. If I wasn't on the chopping block I'd be voting MoI right now. I still think Peregrine is scummy and a good lynch and I think MoI, may have been fake-bussing him. His push on Peregrine seemed to be significantly less sincere than his push on me and it kind of seemed like he was just waiting for the right time to swing it back to me.

[WrathChild]

MoI:
If I move my vote to you and fail to secure your lynch, I lose the tie-breaker to Peregrine, who I think is scum and I (who I know is town) die. So, unless I see my vote lynching you, I need to leave it on Peregrine and avoid what I know as A FACT to be a mislynch on me. I'm not saying people need to take my word for it, I'm explaining it from my perspective. If by some miracle, I can fight off your horde of sheep and gather enough support for your lynch I would vote you. I would vote you even if I was relatively sure I wasn't going to be lynched today. Hence, why I asked for an official vote count.

[WrathChild]

You know you could have just as easily voted Peregrine and saved your ability. Do you think Peregrine is Town?

[WrathChild]

I lost a couple other 1shot powers using it today btw

so now we can lynch Nexus

How about MoI? He is at the same L-# and he pushed harder than anyone on your lynch because of your "Lurking". Do you think Nexus is that much scummier than MoI?

[WrathChild]

Unofficial Lynchoral Campaign:

WC (3)

: Ooba, MoI, Kdub

Peregrine (6)

: WC, BB, Cow, Brinz, Shmu, Split

Cow (4)

: Peregrine, Nero, Syndrome, Sland

[WrathChild]

Can someone post a more detailed case on Cow? I'm not seeing a lot of detail on why this has become Peregrine's Counter wagon. Kdub voted me because he didn't like who's on the Peregrine wagon (weak, but understood), but I'm not crazy about 50% of the people on the Cow wagon.

[WrathChild]

~No lynch occurs if a lynch is not established by 10:00 P.M. central time.~

I thought it was a deadline lynch.

Ah well, what can you do.

No, not oh well. Might as well vote day 1 no Lynch peregrine. The op specifically said vote leader is lynched. I'm 95% certain. Please someone go back and check the archive. I can't from phone. Day 1 no lynch is awful.

PS Nero. I'd still vote cow. But I'm still, like I was last time stuck until people get off my wagon.

[WrathChild]

Let's play a guessing game.

1. Guess who KNEW there were two scum teams before Day 2?
2. Guess who KNEW SD was on a second scum team as opposed to an SK?

Vote: MoI

[WrathChild]

VOTE: BBmolla
The flips do not change my read on him from yesterday. Shmugen and Nero are also good lynches.

That was me. Going at the person who can direct all the Blasterfire probably wasn't a good move.

Explain please. This makes it sound like you killed syndrome specifically because he thought you were scum. Why not WC instead? You were on him far more than you were on syndrome.

This

[WrathChild]

What's the scum case on WC, is it just his shitty hop on to a scumread on me?

His early posts were IIOA and the town PV lynch was a counter to the WC wagon.

I don't care wich scum dies so

vote:WC

With evidence of two scum teams how does a counter wagon to me mean anything whatsoever? Also to clarify if there was a counter wagon to anything it was to Town-Sland.

FFU: Syndrome's death was ironic.

Do I really need to repeat myself?

MOI KNEW THERE WERE TWO SCUM TEAMS DAY 1, MOI KNEW SD WAS MAFIA NOT SK.

[WrathChild]

Compare this to him accusing me and Peregrine (Town) of slipping and making associative tells. Do we realize that Peregrine flipped town and MoI accused him of the exact same thing he is voting me for today?

FFS, stop sheeping him. Don't force me to claim when it's this obvious what's going on.

[WrathChild]

Meh. Killed N1 again I knew this would work out badly ;..( Go team, go!

Cool, so he's confirmed not serial killer.

Go no rule against bah posts!

Go lynch MoI now.

[WrathChild]

In fact

unvote

VOTE: WrathChild

ooba stayed on WC after Peregrine became the vote leader. This tells me that ooba wanted to avoid being in on a townie lynch, so was probably distancing from WC.

Ooba hadn't posted since April 8th. If that's your reason for voting me, you can go ahead and wait your turn at the gallows with MoI.

[WrathChild]

Syndrome was obvtown btw, so shame on you townies who blastered him.

That was me. Going at the person who can direct all the Blasterfire probably wasn't a good move.

VOTE: WrathChild

Hey look. Multiscum. He knew the being linked to someone (with all his "How Can We Be Partners" whining) who could flip scum and not be his partner was a bad thing.

I'd also vote Andy at this stage ...

Will re-read later.

MOD - I'll be LA from 4pm EDT today until Monday for my usual weekend family duties.

Already addressed this. MoI is scum and bad players are sheeping him because they are afraid to argue with him. See my case on MoI in prior posts.

I don't understand how Magna is taking credit for the death of Syndrome. Syndrome died to blaster shots, meaning it wasn't just Magna in charge of shooting him, or am I missing something?

VOTE: WC

So if I'm such scum and MoI controls blaster shots, why is town Syndrome dead? Because he made MoI nervous. So kindly get off my wagon Shmugen. Look at the other votes on it.

In fact

unvote

VOTE: WrathChild

ooba stayed on WC after Peregrine became the vote leader. This tells me that ooba wanted to avoid being in on a townie lynch, so was probably distancing from WC.

Except he was inactive for more than a week before the deadline. So kindly get off my wagon Split. Look at the other votes on it.

vote: WC

Well we already established that Cow is scum, so asking him to get off my wagon won't do any good.

What's the scum case on WC, is it just his shitty hop on to a scumread on me?

His early posts were IIOA and the town PV lynch was a counter to the WC wagon.

I don't care wich scum dies so

vote:WC

Multiball eliminates any sort of counter wagon chain lynch you'd like to propose. Guess who was accused of the same "Scumslip" as me? Town Peregrine. So kindly get off my wagon Nero. Look at the other votes on it.

VOTE: WrathChild

I'm sure we're all supposed to claim right?
I'm Jabba the Hutt. Town-aligned and I can use Extortion.
Also I am immune to Force powers. Whatever that is.
WrathChild looks scum cuz everyone else thinks he is. Just helping out Town for a lynch

What is this? I wish we could just not count votes made by obviously inattentive players, but we have to. All I can do is hope that some other less ignorant players realize what crap this wagon is and we can lynch MoI.

[WrathChild]

In looking at Slandaar's post - I have to laugh.

I'm specifically claiming a Vig ability - I can direct Blaster shots at night to a limited degree (which I'm not disclosing). You want to make an argument that I'm scum with that ability? Knock yourself out. Otherwise I'll just ignore you like I do other confirmed Town VIs.

Why am I alive then? How is directing blaster shots pro-town? By directing blaster shots, you are robbing all the VTs of their joint vig. Also why would you care so much about silencing blaster strategy when you just hijack it yourself?

It almost sounds like MoI is an SK, which would also explain why he assumed SD was a second scum team and not an SK. I also don't like the idea of the guy who controls the "Joint-Vig" killing people for attacking him and not killing the people he thinks are scum. Can we please lynch him already?

[WrathChild]

SD isnt an SK read his bah post

Magna do you want me to vote you?

Yes, dead Serial Killer Shadow would never WIFOM for the fun of fucking over Town

Again - why aren't you voting your top Scum read at this stage?

So now SD was an SK? I thought he was on a second scum team? Which one is it?

[WrathChild]

So now SD was an SK? I thought he was on a second scum team? Which one is it?

Probably a Serial Killer. If you were bothering to read and engage your brain you would have noticed that my initial "multi-scum' comment was based on a quick glance at the flips (seeing multiple colors). Upon reading it when I had more time I noticed that Shadow was specifically "He was also a scummy (only one scummy) person." which indicates he was a Serial Killer.

More undermining and insulting language noted.

[WrathChild]

In fact

unvote

VOTE: WrathChild

ooba stayed on WC after Peregrine became the vote leader. This tells me that ooba wanted to avoid being in on a townie lynch, so was probably distancing from WC.

Except he was inactive for more than a week before the deadline. So kindly get off my wagon Split. Look at the other votes on it.

This is true, but he was active when Peregrine was the vote leader, and had him as a town read while never commenting on the points being raised against him. By contrast, he was voting for you partially on the strength of this post:

I'm on the road, but think I'll have some time this morning after breakfast.

Hey, Slaand,
High post count does not = town BTW.

Wazzupwitdat?

At that point Sland was going on about how he was one of the post active posters in the game. So I just said that didn't necessarily make him town.

[WrathChild]

I have been modkilled for saying something like that before

I think BB will be also

You cant say you are scum without being modkilled because otherwise it conftowns you as scum are not allowed to play against win con which is what it is, therefore anyone who says they are scum even joking has to be modkilled.

I doubt BB will be modkilled. I wouldn't get your hopes up.

[WrathChild]

I would normally say let's reserve Nexus for blaster fodder, but since MoI seems content with shooting people who attacking him instead of lurkers or scum I guess we may need to consider lynching lurkers while I really don't like doing so. Based on the activity over-view our top lurkers are Andy and Nexus, both of which I'd be ok to lynch, but still prefer to have them blastered.

No body gonna join me on a MoI wagon? Has the mean old MoI scared you from voting him by shooting Syndrome?

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@BB: I just touched the surface above. He has misrepped me and others multiple times, he tunnels on people, he shoots people who attack him instead of people he thinks are scum, he KNEW SD wasn't an SK because either he himself is the SK or on a second scum team.

[WrathChild]

Shmugen you thought BB was town on day 1?

Why?

By the end of Day 1 I thought BB was town. I agreed with the general idea of PeregrineV's push on BB regarding breadcrumbing in this game being a scummy thing to do. After BB's claim and the way he handled the situation, I thought he was more likely to be town. His responses to Kdub's pressure struck me as genuine and not from someone who invented a claim.

All my thoughts and conversations are genuine, Slandaar, now and forever. I agree with you that Dr has been worse than useless, but you've been calling for Nexus' head all game.

I am unsure how to convince people to not blaster me.

Like I said before, as long as you don't attack MoI, you should be fine. That being said, I will repeat we should be lynching people that will post and Blastering people who don't. Blaster fire is a perfect solution to cull lurkers. When we can actually interact with a player during the lynching process we are left with much more information than if we lynch a lurker a blaster a suspicious player. That's why what MoI did last night is inexcusable for town in my book. I think MoI is a good enough player to know this and hence my suspicion of him being scum.

[WrathChild]

MoI: Read on Nexus, Cow and Shotgun?

[WrathChild]

ok..

quick 2 cents...

MOI - still trying to wrap my head around you...what was the purpose of coming out and claiming what you did about responsibilty on Syndrome? based on what you said, and if i'm guessing correctly, enough people wanted you dead to warrant a Syndrome kill.. and I doubt Slandaar had a blaster shot if he could ModConf himself...then we have the NK's...unless we have another Vig or a redirector who got very lucky, i don't eally see how there could be only 1 scum team.

WC - can someone please tell me what the case is on WC? based on my theory above i can only see WC as scum is if he is on a second team of scum and they have access to Blaster shot(s)...targetting MOI would make sense as MOI came after him pretty hard. like i said, i don't think enough people thought MOI was scum to warrant blasters...

Shotgun's play is all over the place bad...i can vote him today if it comes down to it, but a well placed blaster shot i think would be better...

Iece- i still like my vote on Iece...pretty sure that there's scum in that thar Jar-Jar...i can see how he would be bitter about everyone making fun of him...oh..and the fact that Iece isn't playing as the town Iece i remember helps me feel very comfortable with my vote on him.

Nexus - quick ISO of Nexus is pretty much nothing but going after Slandaar...i could vote on Nexus as well if i had to...

RE: MoI: That's what I've been saying, there was no reason for him to claim it except to scare people.
RE: Me: That doesnt make sense. Going after MoI with blasters? What?
RE: Shotgun: Agreed. That's what I think our Blaster Kill is meant for, but when MoI hijacks them it doesnt matter.
RE: Iece: I don't get the case on Iec, can you expand?
RE: Nexus: What makes him a better lynch than Shotgun? At this posting rate, I'd say it'd be better to lynch Shotgun, and balster Nexus unless content levels change. Why Blaster Shtogun and not Nexus? Just curious as to your distinction between the two.

[WrathChild]

I am unsure how to convince people to not blaster me.

This worries me. Quite a bit. It feels more like "don't kill me" than actually doing something useful like scumhunting.

Well of course that portion of my post doesn't feel like scumhunting. Scumhunting is a bit of a difficult game when you have as many lurkers as we do. My vote is on Nexus, I am pleased with the case against Nexus, and unless something drastic happens or we approach the deadline with no lynch, I don't foresee my moving my vote off of Nexus.

The problem is that any sort of "what do I have to do to seem town/not get blastered?" question is the same. Scumhunt and just play the game. Asking it is an unnecessary appeal to emotion and completely unuseful. It's just a "I need to live" comment, which, while town don't want to die, is much more inherent in scum play.

It's more useful to me than the town

, true, but I figure there's always the offchance that someone thinks I'm scum for some particular point and I could attempt to clear that up for them.

Hello there. What's this? What's more useful to you than it could be to the town? I'm pretty sure you've got your priorities mixed up here. Explain.

[WrathChild]

Wait MoI. Are there two scum teams or was SD an SK?

[WrathChild]

1 (RE: Shotgun): Shotgun, are you even trying to play mafia or are you just here from the free cookies? Can we please blaster him?
2 (RE: Cow): Obviously I had my issues with him yesterday and he hasn't really done much to improve his stance in my book. Yesterday he fencesat on SD and gave town pants to my top scum read for today. What really reads as distancing to me is this:

"I really want to vote Shadow Dancer for trying to bring the mod into the game to confirm/deny what someone said in thread. This is ridiculous."

Why even mention SD at that point? He had no votes and was under zero discussion at the time. Of all the things that had happened since Cow replaced in, how does this rate as a notable subject? Nero actually pointed out that Cow omitted SD from his suspicious pile despite saying that he would vote him. He also goes along with the two scum team assumption Day 1 before it was revealed as a possibility. And here, he continues to push the two scum-team concept despite there being a possibility of one of them being an SK. I would put a vote on a cow wagon.

3 (RE: MoI): The reason I asked again is that I feel that the SD=SK thing is BS. Why is SD an SK and not Ooba? Why did you come in Day 2 so convinced there were two scum teams? Why did you spend a lot of Day 1 attacking people based on the idea that there were two scum teams? Why all of a sudden are you convinced one of the scums that were killed last night was an SK? Also, please explain why an SK would WIFOM the town in a bah post.

4 (@MoI's #1059): I didn't have time to follow up on Friday, but the reason I asked for those reads was because they were suspicious in my book. I find it weird that you have no read on the day's vote leader. You vote split for lurking but not Nexus. You say Cow is town, Cow says you're town, noted. On that note it also bothers me that you are set-up speculating based on force powers which seems fruitless and pointless confusion. I do agree with you on Shotgun though. I've secretly put a sign on his back that says, "Blaster Me".

[WrathChild]

@Split: Here's some reading

3 (RE: MoI): The reason I asked again is that I feel that the SD=SK thing is BS. Why is SD an SK and not Ooba? Why did you come in Day 2 so convinced there were two scum teams? Why did you spend a lot of Day 1 attacking people based on the idea that there were two scum teams? Why all of a sudden are you convinced one of the scums that were killed last night was an SK? Also, please explain why an SK would WIFOM the town in a bah post.

Can you provide your reasons why Shadow as SK is bullshit? Just saying that isn’t good enough Wrath – you need reasons.

I didn’t ‘come into Day 2 strongly thinking we had 2 scum teams’, I saw two non-Town colors when I skimmed the flips and voted accordingly. After others pointed out the differentiation between Shadow and Ooba’s flips I reviewed the Mod post and judged accordingly.

Umm there is no reason whatsoever to believe Scummy Scummy indicates scum or SK and Scummy indicates the other. On top of that he bah posted "Go Team" (More on that later). Why is Shadow SK and not Ooba? Was is anyone SK and not just multiball? It's BS because by painting him as an SK you are attempting to nullify associative reads which coincidentally bring you under more suspicion. You were all aboard multiball until someone mentioned SK and you all of a sudden thought that was the best misdirection to push things.

Please explain why a Serial Killer would NOT WIFOM to screw with Town.

What would be his motivation to do that? By definition an SK has no other allegiances and it would serve no purpose and provide zero benefit to deceive town. On the other hand, a dead scum would have all the motivation in the world to WIFOM in a bah-posts, so any sort of WIFOMing in a bah post most definitely comes from scum.

Please explain how your behavior being so absolutely worried about being tied to a player deemed scummy doesn’t look like scum who knows we are in Multiscum before any flips are made.

So now we're back in multiball? I was not "absolutely worried" about being tied to Peregrine, I wrote:
"I just thought it was pretty clear that we wanted each other dead and when whats-his-face came in and suggested it I was a bit surprised and asked him to clarify."

Nice Misrep.

4 (@MoI's #1059): I didn't have time to follow up on Friday, but the reason I asked for those reads was because they were suspicious in my book. I find it weird that you have no read on the day's vote leader. You vote split for lurking but not Nexus. You say Cow is town, Cow says you're town, noted. On that note it also bothers me that you are set-up speculating based on force powers which seems fruitless and pointless confusion. I do agree with you on Shotgun though. I've secretly put a sign on his back that says, "Blaster Me".

Why do you find it weird that I have no strong lead on the vote-leader who in my experience doesn’t have a meta of low activity only as scum? Nexus has contributed jack shit in most games I’ve seen him in, be he Town or scum. And I’ll be frank – part of the reason I’ve not been motivated to go after Nexus is Slandaar is pushing him so hard and I don’t think much of Slandaar’s scum-hunting.

You just provided a read here, even if it is a huge Null fencesit, why no comment on him before prompted? Because Slandaar-Town has attacked him? So we have one confirmed town and you are steering away from any player he suspects because his scum-hunting is bad? You think my scum-hunting is bad but you still voted for Peregrine.

[WrathChild]

Vote Count

WrathChild

- NeroCain (L-8)

BBmolla

- Kdub, hasdgfas (L-7)

MagnaofIllusion

- WrathChild, drmyshotgun, splitfarvle, Slandaar, shmugen (L-5)

Nexus

- Iecerint, BBmolla, Brizingre1 (L-5)

swordofomens

- 4nxi3ty (L-8)

splitfarvle

- MagnaofIllusion (L-8)

With 16 alive, it is 9 to lynch

DN, please confirm if this is correct or not.

[WrathChild]

I'm thinking we should get rid of little Anakin (Slandaar) before he grows up.

I'm thinking you'll get blastered tonight.

[WrathChild]

I’m really bored now – can we just move along rather than puttering around like a bunch of retirees?

My scum reads in vaguely decending order – Iec, Andrius’s slot, Anxiety, Split, Shmugen, Nexus, Briz.

We don’t really get common enough Vote-Counts to really know what wagons are current but it looks like either Nexus or myself is the lynch for today. People not voting us probably need to either make a real strong push on their candidate dejur or pick your poison between us.

I’ll pretty much be prod dodging the rest of the Day until lynch. Sorry Deathnote but I have lost all interest in this game.

This is pretty anti-town MoI.

Let's finish this lynch and move on to tonight when Shotgun gets blastered.

[WrathChild]

I'm gonna be VLA until Monday

[WrathChild]

Back from my trip. I've got some work to catch up on, but I'll be on later to comment. For now I still have a question:

@MoI: Why did you post this:

I’m really bored now – can we just move along rather than puttering around like a bunch of retirees?

My scum reads in vaguely decending order – Iec, Andrius’s slot, Anxiety, Split, Shmugen, Nexus, Briz.

We don’t really get common enough Vote-Counts to really know what wagons are current but it looks like either Nexus or myself is the lynch for today. People not voting us probably need to either make a real strong push on their candidate dejur or pick your poison between us.

I’ll pretty much be prod dodging the rest of the Day until lynch. Sorry Deathnote but I have lost all interest in this game.

Then continue to post ISO #120-124?

Additionally, why are you announcing unnecessary V/LA's? You are only off site for about 48 hours and activity prods set in after 72 hours. Are you afraid of being accused of lurking?

[WrathChild]

Because I wanted to Wrath. You have an issue with that?

As to my V/LA announcements - I make them universally across the board in all my games. You have a reason to suggest I not consistently do so that is alignment relevant? Also given that Sean actually did exactly as you suggested (where is MoI?) this weekend I think it is warranted.

Also Wrath - why not comment about the substance of my posting as opposed to secondary issues like this that are not scum-hunting related?

I have an issue that you felt it necessary to unnecessarily announce VLAs. The content is fine, but there is an issue with throwing your hands up in the air and yelling "EFF THIS!" and then coming back as if it never happened.

It has everything to do with accountability, Nero, which can aid in hunting scum.

@Magna: I didn't claim hated immediately for two reasons. One, I'd never been hated before and figured mentioning it when a wagon cropped up would be good enough and Two, I didn't want scum to get the wrong impression. Hated VT seems a silly thing in a large theme with no VTs.

So... hated VT claim here.

I may have to be replaced ... Pming Deathnote now.

I want this expanded on. Because from the turn of events and Mod response I am thinking that you knew there were two scum teams all along, but for some reason you wanted to flip back to implying that it was Scum Team and SK.

Additionally, why are you announcing unnecessar V/LA's? You are only off site for about 48 hours and activity prods set in after 72 hours. Are you afraid of being accused of lurking?

insinuating someone is scummy for "not following through on their vla" because "they are afraid of looking like a lurker"...? leap in logic to further cement a mislynch is what that comment says to me.

I will support a WC, Iece, or Shmugen lynch today. Something about shmugen's hated claim is making me pause about that lynch yet I still prefer it over a MoI lynch.

unvote, vote: wrath

So now MoI is a mislynch? And you know this because? Cool white-knighting dude.

Ok, Anxiety is scum and bad scum at that because we obviously have two scum teams. Nice slip.

UNVOTE, VOTE: Anxiety

What am I at, L-2 in my hated state? I'll claim later tonight.

By my count, Shmugen only got to L-6 or L-5 in his case. I didn't think I saw any votes on him between here and the VC below.

Vote Count

BBmolla

- Kdub, hasdgfas (L-7)

MagnaofIllusion

- WrathChild, drmyshotgun, splitfarvle, Slandaar, NeroCain, Iecerint (L-3)

Nexus

- Brizingre1 (L-8)

shmugen

- Nexus, MagnaofIllusion, BBmolla (L-6)

Iecerint

- 4nxi3ty (L-8)

With 16 alive, it is 9 to lynch

~Sent Prods and keeping up the replacement hunt.~

I only had a ten minute break at work, and then wanted to see if anyone had any objections.

I am Senator Palpatine, Hated Watcher. I watched Slandaar N1, no one visited him that I could tell.

What's with the rushed contradictory claim?

[WrathChild]

unvote, vote: iece

only glanced at wraths post, am I right in thinkin it looks like an omgus vote?

isn't it deadline soon? If it is don't like how he votes someone without much support close to deadline.

You're only thinking its an OMGUS vote because you didn't read it. However, the point is valid that with so little time to the deadline I don't think I can get support to lynch you even though you slipped and said you knew MoI would be a mislynch (despite there being two scum teams).

[WrathChild]

How about we lynch anxiety and blaster shotgun?

[WrathChild]

Additionally, why are you announcing unnecessar V/LA's? You are only off site for about 48 hours and activity prods set in after 72 hours. Are you afraid of being accused of lurking?

insinuating someone is scummy for "not following through on their vla" because "they are afraid of looking like a lurker"...? leap in logic to further

cement a mislynch

is what that comment says to me.

I will support a WC, Iece, or Shmugen lynch today. Something about shmugen's hated claim is making me pause about that lynch yet I still prefer it over a MoI lynch.

unvote, vote: wrath

Can we lynch Anxiety please?

VOTE: Anxiety

[WrathChild]

PS
Self-Watching is terrible. It's like the next worse thing after anxiety's scum-slip.

[WrathChild]

Can we lynch Anxiety please?

VOTE: Anxiety

explain how i slipped... not just "general set of words is a slip"

shmugen, why didn't you watch tammy, surely you would've been able to potentially confirm several townies andor people with blasters?

vote: shmugen

You knew MoI would be a mislynch.

[WrathChild]

I'm not sold on Briz-Scum yet, but I'd lynch Cow and prefer we reserve Sean for blaster fire. As I've said I prefer to hang active players and bust caps in lurkers. Sean hasn't proven to be anything but a continuation of Andy-Lurk, so blast him I say.

I'd still prefer an Anxiety lynch, but that's not getting much traction.

[WrathChild]

I agree on lucky

Nice prod dodge.

PS, I'm gonna drop my slip attack on Anxiety, not saying that he's town, but saying that I'm gonna concede that it was voided by the fact that it's multiball. That being said I need to take a re-read and see how needs some scrutiny.

[WrathChild]

The longer this day goes, the happier I am with my Briz vote.

The blaster mechanic hasn't been doing us a lot of good thusfar. Without a better idea of scumteam numbers it will be difficult to nail it down but we should draw a line where I get blastered so I'm not around for an endgame speedlynch.

I think with MoI gone the blaster mechanics may work out differently. I need to go back and check, but I seem to recall that there is a minimum number of shots for a kill and if they aren't all concentrated in one place, like they were with MoI, we may even miss an occasional blaster kill due to a spread consensus.

[WrathChild]

way to point out the obvious, you are awarded 0 town cred points, you have successfully faked doing work of any kind.

What have you done?

UNVOTE, VOTE: Sean

[WrathChild]

PS
I'd vote Cow too, but at least it appears that Cow tries occasionally. Sean has made no effort to do anything.

[WrathChild]

shotgun wtf is wrong with you?

Where is Magna to defend against all this? it is alot of heat and I would have thought he would say something by now.

And on the another note. I think I am in love with Slandaar your posts in combination with pictures bring tears of joy to my eyes.

I will be reading through the game more to try and catch up and offer some actual substance soon, but for now my posts will most likely be made of questions and be based off of the current posts.

Slandaar that was a fucking Boss play, and did you see all the people think you didn't know what was going on? llololol

unvote

cuz briz is town now.

@nero, why the hell did you think that stretch against schmudgens wording was a good idea? so obvious, very bad play.

@wraith your vote of me came out of no where.....doesn't make much sense, not in reasoning but in timing. attempt to pull suspcision off a buddy at that time? idk my bff jill will have to go and read into relations there.

Also anyone know what L-? i am at? lolol....fine ill go count my self

[WrathChild]

@above:
I meant to make comments but whatever. Anyways, anyone notice something? More bootlicking confirmed town. Slan is a good player, but not great and does not deserve this level of bootlicking, the only reason Sean is giving it to him is that Slan is confirmed town. That's scummy.

PS
You're accusing me of pulliung heat off my scum-buddy Briz who you just said was town. Game set match.

[WrathChild]

So what about my attack is the same as your attack as scum, and what makes it more likely to come from scum, keeping in mind that everyone plays differently?

This is an unconscious slip that shows that samantha doesn't identify herself as town, there is an obvious separation in the identification thought process when sam thinks about the town and herself.

same logic you are using in this game, the fact that I did this as scum in a multiball large theme makes me believe that scum are more likely to use this logic in this game.

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Can anyone explain to me why seanald is getting lynched over Wraith and Nexus? espescially when considering they both placed very oppurtunistic and vague votes on seanald.

Have you read any of the posts I've made regarding Sean-Scum? No? Didn't think so. Hey Anxiety? You buddy's with Sean?

"Oh please don't lynch Sean. Let's lynch one of the guys voting him."-Anxiety

[WrathChild]

you called seanald a proddodger, said 'what have you done', and quoted two of his posts. Those are vague and general attacks that don't explain how you came to the conclusion that those actions are more likely to come from scum. Also, you mentioned something about reserving seanald for blasterfire since you would rather lynch active players; yet this attitude changed quickly when you realized seanald was a more viable lynch than mine.

About your whole "seanald/anx scumteam theory": I have been attacking you and nexus before sean even replaced into this game.

current read of hascow?

Actually, I at first wanted to lynch you because of the perceived slip, but decided to lay off that because of multiball, and to blaster Sean because he continued to lurk like Andy was. That would have been strong means for blastering, but then Sean started to post, but his posts were hollow. Yes, I accused him of prod-dodging, then he attacked Nexus, by saying that he was faking doing any real work. This rubbed me the wrong way because Sean was doing the exact same thing, the hypocrisy moved me to vote him and I assumed that was pretty obvious in my post. I didn't think I needed to explain that much more explicitly. In my next post I explain that I'd prefer a Sean lynch over Cow because Cow at least appears to try while Sean doesn't even attempt to do anything useful. Yes, I did quote two of his posts, but in the very next post I explain why that was significant. Did you forget to read that? I guess I'll explain it AGAIN if I must, just try to follow along the first time in the future ok? Sean accused me of drawing heat off a scum-buddy by pushing for his lynch. Guess who had the heat at that time? Briz! Guess who Sean called town in the same post? Briz! Another Hypocrisy. Additionally I point out Sean continued boot-licking of confirmed town.

Regarding Cow: I'm actually starting to second guess his scumminess as inexperience. If what he says is true, I don't think he's scum. The question is, is what he claims true? I would definitely prefer to lynch Sean over Cow today. I need more time to figure out Cow.

[WrathChild]

Darth Maul has never held a blaster in his life.

[WrathChild]

Who is Ackbar?

[WrathChild]

Briz is scum.

I'm 80% sure.

Vote: Briz

I'll expand in another post.

[WrathChild]

Day four starts and Nexus got caught with his pants down. He must have said something to piss people off because...

Nexus (Stormtrooper) was shot through the head while falling into a hole night 3.

With 10 alive, it is 6 to lynch.

Deadline is two weeks from today at 12:00 P.M. central.

This originally said he "fell into a trap" and was edited by DN (see the edit timestamp). The kill flavor now matches previous nights kills. Other kills have been flavored appropriately too. I'm sorry I didn't have time to point this out pre-edit. Obviously I can't push this too hard now, but if anyone else remembers that please speak up.

[WrathChild]

Who is Ackbar?

This is further proof of what it said. That wording is exactly what made me ask. Timestamps work out. Now that it's been edited it's even further proof. I'm sorry for flavor breaking this one DN and Briz, I hope this isn't against the rules. I apologize if it is.

[WrathChild]

Glad to know I didn't break anything. I still think its pretty telling. I'll go back and accompany this with a real case as well.

[WrathChild]

@WC - I saw the thread soon after the opening, but did not make note of the flavor except that it was a combo of two previous ones. I think it said 'fell into a hole' for me.

~You are not breaking anything. I simply changed it to be consistent with flavor. The OP was already stated to be "fell in a hole". The players are allowed to try and outguess me as much as they want to.~

DN admits he changed it. It's not up for debate anymore. It's just a question if we really think it was a mod-slip or not and if Brizs previous near lynch really tells us anything about his alignment. I know that was the consensus at the time that it seemed like a true response, but I am now considering the possibility that it was cleverly played. This potential mod-slip combined with the fact that he even got to L-1 yesterday makes him a top suspect in my book.

[WrathChild]

I dont understand how the mod-slip makes briz scum. Sorry, this is the first time I see something like this and dont get how it affects the game. Please explain to me and maybe others who are holding back on the question if any.

I still don't see how this 'flavour slip' makes me scum to be honest.
@WC: I don't see why that makes me scum, care to explain?

I need to ISO both Seanald and ooba in more detail but for now, I'm going to

VOTE:Hascow

The night kills are flavored. Originally, DN posted that last nights kill include Nexus falling into a trap. He changed it half a day later when he realized that it would give you away as Ackbar, who is famous for "It's a Trap!". Prior nights he was careful to make it "Fell in a hole" to avoid flavor implications. The fact that posted "Fell in a trap," and then changed it to "Fell in a hole" implies that it was a mistake with real implications. If the flavor of the kill wouldn't have given anything away, he wouldn't have changed it.

Flavor kills so far:
-"Blastered" (Syndrome, Tammy)
-"Fell in a Hole" (Ooba, Split, Nexus)
-"Sliced and Diced" (SD)
-"Shot in Head" (MoI, Nexus)

So it's pretty clear that each scum has a signature kill. I'm going to assume that since Ooba flipped General Grevious that he kill SD, but I suppose it could have been anyone with a lightsaber. Likewise, the scum with the headshot kill could be anyone with a blaster. However, I can only think of one character/player with a Trap Kill.

[WrathChild]

Cow
Anx
Lucky
LC
WC
NC
Shmugen
Briz
BB
Me

Thats the order to mass claim I think

Not completely based on suspicion, but based on who has claimed already and what etc.

We are not popcorning I think its strictly worse than me just deciding the order.

This is fine with me but with the exception of Briz. I think he's scum. I know he claimed roleblocker and all, but doesn't mean its a good idea he goes that close to the end if I were making this list. Did he claim even night roleblocker? That means his only result would have been Night 2, which he claimed he blocked MoI. Who on Night 2 was killed. So I guess it doesnt really matter where he claims.

[WrathChild]

WC claims next please
Then NC
Then Briz
I think thats all thats left.

Could I possibly request that NC or Briz claim stormtrooper or not before I full claim? I kind of have a theory based on the wording in my PM.

[WrathChild]

Wait Briz already claimed Akbar, so that leaves just NC.

[WrathChild]

NC claim next is fine I think...

Now that I think about it. A flavor only claim would be good enough for me from NC and then I'll full.

[WrathChild]

briz link me to town games where you have been lynched

PS, I'm becoming more and more certain that Briz is scum. Waiting for NC before I land the deathblow.

[WrathChild]

Also, we need Shmugen tonight I think because I think I know why Nexus was killed.

[WrathChild]

We need me? Or we need to kill me?

If you need me to watch someone, you're going to have to hint at who it is.

I think Nexus was killed out of fear of being watched. Nexus was likely to be blastered anyway and not a threat to scum, so anyone caught targeting Nexus, could write it off as a blaster target. If you survive today, I think scum will probably be forced to off-someone they could write off as a blaster target anyway, who in turn is probably someone less useful to the town. Do you follow?

[WrathChild]

Ok, so in a regular 20 player game, we'd expect 5 scum right? So I would bet we either have 2 or 3 players on each scum team here.

A) 2 Scum per team, Only 1 Scum left:

Day 4, 10 alive 6 to lynch, 1 Scum.
Worse Case Scenerio: Mislynch 9 alive, 5 to lynch. 1 Town NK (8 alive, 5 to lynch), 1 Town joint vig (7 alive, 4 to lynch). Still not Lylo even with Hated status.

B) 3 scum per team, 3 (2-1) Scum left:

Day 4, 10 alive, 6 to lynch, 3 scum
Worse case scenerio: Mislynch 9 alive, 5 to lynch. 2 Town NK (7 alive, 4 to lynch), 1 Town joint vig (6 alive, 4 to lynch). So yes, this does put someone that is hated in speed hammer range by scum (auto if the teams work together, 1 vote danger if teams work separate). However, if they do they out themselves at which point there will be a clear joint vig target. It will be very obvious who the two-scum team is at this point and one will get killed, putting us at a 1-1 two scum split going into the next day worse case.

Night 4, 9 alive, 5 to lynch, 3 scum
Worse case scenario: One of the speed hammerers will be blastered most likely the one on the larger team, 8 alive (5 to lynch). Two town NKs (6 alive, 4 to lynch).

Day 5, 6 alive 4 to lynch 2 scum (1-1).
Worse case scenario: Mislynch 5 alive, 3 to lynch. 2 Town NK (3 alive, 2 to lynch), however there can be no blaster kill because of minimums required. This puts it into a 3 way at the end. Shmugen can not be allowed to live to Day 6.

So unless there are 4 players per scum team, I think Shmugen is safe to live through tonight for certain, but he becomes a liability Day 6. I'm not sure the best way to handle this. Now we need to remember that blastering requires 3 shots to work. So if we get to Night 5 (and it turns out to be two 3-scum teams) and need to blaster Shmugen we need to have at least 3 blaster-shots able to shoot him. Right now we have four claimed blasters (5 counting cow's double claim), Cow, Lucky, Anxiety and Chronos. So if we plan on blastering instead of lynching Shmugen (who I don't believe is scum) we need to ensure we have the firepower going into it. Either way, I don't think he becomes a major point of consideration until tomorrow.

[WrathChild]

5 scum? uneven scum teams are pretty rare. I cite experience. Though if you do doubt me you can look through the larges.

I am Darth Maul.

I have two powers. A blaster deflect and a reflective blaster deflect.

I was referring to a normal single team set up, when I mentioned 5 scum. Nero.

[WrathChild]

Why was WC just on but didn't claim?

I actually only want a flavor claim from you before I claimed. Not a full one. Anyways it makes no difference.

I wanted to do this:

2. Lord_Chronos: Stormtrooper
4. hasdgfas: Chewy
7. Shmugen: Palpatine
10. 4nxi3ty: Stormtrooper
11. WrathChild: Leah (I have a blaster and that's it, but I have interesting wording to share)
12. luckyjt: Stormtrooper
14. Nero Cain: Darth Maul
15. BBmolla: Yoda
16. brizingre1: Ackbar
20. Slandaar: Young Anakin Skywalker

Now look at all of those people, who could possibly have a TRAP flavored kill? Obviously Ackbar.

Remaining Slice and Dicers: NC (Darth Maul), Shmugen (Palpatine) and BB (Yoda) (Slandaar too but he's confirmed).
Remaining Head Shooters: Chronos (Stormtrooper), Anxiety (Stormtrooper), WC (Leah), Lucky (Stormtrooper), Cow (Chewy)

With only one exception, everyone here has an obvious flavor kill implication. The exception is Briz. Ackbar doesn't use a blaster or a lightsaber. He is left with only traps.

That being said, since it appears (well maybe with the exception of MoI) I am the only VT that is not a stormtrooper. My wording says that I have a blaster, but it says that it's a "Joint Vig with Stormtroopers". To me this implies that Stormtroppers are town. So if we eliminate Stormtroopers from our suspect list we are left with:

Cow
Shmugen
WC
Nero
BB
Briz

However, this does not cover fake claiming stormtroopers, but that's why I kind of wanted to wait until the end.

Now let's lynch Briz!

[WrathChild]

who did you shoot last night?

what does the joint vig bit mean?

Sorry, forget my targets:

N1 Anxiety, N2 Anxiety, N3 Nexus

[WrathChild]

nm joint vig is just saying your blaster accumulates with troopers i guess

Right, but "Vig" implies town controlled in my book.

[WrathChild]

A) I'm going to be V/LA till friday. Camping with fam.
B) Cow assumes I am lying and everyone else is telling the truth. Why?
C) Briz is friggin scum. I don't have time to spell it out again.
D) Why if Cow says his PM is different than mine, am I scum and not him?
E) Why would I lie about my role PM?

[WrathChild]

Posting from phone in the restrooms in the wilderness:
There seems to be some confusion on why I asked for a flavor claim and not a full from Nero. It was BC of my storm trooper vt theory based on my blaster wording.

[WrathChild]

Maybe we just lynch shmugen today, its a pain and I ask the question why people didnt blaster him yesterday (cows scum) but the risk is maybe too high that he lives till tomorrow + there is a chance hes scum... I mean not a good one, but its a chance.

Need to think.

We absolutely do not lynch shmugen today. Blaster yes, lynch no. Everyone needs to stick to the plan. Variation from said plan should be a lynchable offense.

[WrathChild]

Doing a bit of risk/reward analysis.

Unvote, Vote: BBMolla

If we lynch Cow and he is town, we no longer have enough blaster shots to do anything.

Again, chums, THE PLAN IS TO BLASTER ME TONIGHT. Do NOT let the scum keep me around to endgame. If I'm still alive tomorrow, I'm driving after Cow with everything I have.

Just making you aware, if you're town, this puts town at 4-1-2 tomorrow(minus the two nightkills which could possibly put us at 2-1-2)

Just saying.

I don't even know anymore.

[WrathChild]

Do these numbers seem too certain to anyone else?
(Sorry bout the quote mess posting from phone)

[WrathChild]

Yeah, but we tried the blaster plan yesterday and NO ONE stuck to it. Honestly, it might be better to lynch me today just to increase the chances of crosskill tonight.

No. It has to be blasters tonight. Can we PLEASE lynch someone else today. I'm pulling out my hair here. There is a very good reason for you to live tonight. For it to work we have to lynch Briz. A roleblock is the only thing that could ruin this plan. We have 6 claimed blasters:

4. hasdgfas: Chewy
2. Lord_Chronos: Stormtrooper
10. 4nxi3ty: Stormtrooper
12. luckyjt: Stormtrooper
11. WrathChild: Leah

We lynch Briz, and none of them can be roleblocked. Even if we assume Cow is scum and will blow it tonight that still leaves Lord Chronos, Anxiety, Lucky, and me. Four shots. The only problem would be if two other of those blasterfolk don't shoot you. But if that happens, we confirm that 3 of the 5 players listed are scum.

[WrathChild]

Shoot, forgot about BB's force pull. Either way BB or Briz can disrupt what should happen tonight. I need to look back and decide who's scummier.

[WrathChild]

(anybody notice WC wants to follow the shmugen plan but he didn't follow it last night ^.^ oh and lucky vote looks scummy)

With the claim list I am a lot more comfortable with it being tonight's plan than I was yesterday, I have a pretty clear idea of what needs to happen.

[WrathChild]

It's not the blaster shots I'm worried about being disrupted.

[WrathChild]

So basically its BB or Nero based on flavor of the kill.

Nero, what was your action last night?

[WrathChild]

There's still something weird about Night 3. Nexus should have been blastered. The only reason I can see that would cause that would be if WC is lying. Can anyone else see any reason for it?

Anxiety?

[WrathChild]

I mean, BB could have lied too. The kill flavor matches a jedi. Honestly I think BB, me or cow should be dead and the fact that we're not makes me think Nero is scum. Nero should have stolen the blasters and shot me, BB or cow, allowing Shmugen to live with a result. The fact that Nero allowed Shmugen to die, when it could have been prevented is pretty darn scummy. Shmugen was a pretty strong power role and one more result could have made the difference in this game.

I can really see no other reason than scum motivation for Nero to allow this to happen. In fact, why would scum kill Lord Chronos over Nero or BB at this point? All of us are easy lynches in scum books, you know who wouldn't be an easy lynch in the scum books? Nero, but he's alive and he should be dead.

Vote: Nero

[WrathChild]

I mean, BB could have lied too. The kill flavor matches a jedi. Honestly I think BB, me or cow should be dead and the fact that we're not makes me think Nero is scum. Nero should have stolen the blasters and shot me, BB or cow, allowing Shmugen to live with a result. The fact that Nero allowed Shmugen to die, when it could have been prevented is pretty darn scummy. Shmugen was a pretty strong power role and one more result could have made the difference in this game.

I can really see no other reason than scum motivation for Nero to allow this to happen. In fact, why would scum kill Lord Chronos over Nero or BB at this point? All of us are easy lynches in scum books, you know who wouldn't be an easy lynch in the scum books? Nero, but he's alive and he should be dead.

Vote: Nero

I was a little unclear. The remaining power roles were, BB, Shmugen, Nero and Cow. So a Chronos kill over any of those needs to be examined. Upon closer examination, BB already has some suspicions on him, Shmugen was scheduled to be blastered and Cow is another easy lynch. Nero was pretty much unsuspected AND a power role yet he is alive and Chronos is dead.

[WrathChild]

Shoot,

Unvote

. Just re-read Nero's claim. Blasters have to be directed at him. My mistake.

[WrathChild]

BB and Nero's claim seem strangely parallel.

[WrathChild]

WC and 1 of Nero/BB. I haven't liked WC all game. Nero/BB's claims seem too similar and we've already had a couple redirecting abilities.

OK

Where did I go wrong in my POE for team red headshot killer?

WC is in a team with ooba and sean? do you believe that?

I see no reason why him being on a team with ooba and sean is out of the question.
Why is he not orange scum, again?

I basically killed Briz myself.

I don't think WC should be auto town for "peggin'" briz. That exactly what the other team would do it multiball and try to eliminate the other team.

I have two explanations to the lack of a 2nd scum kill. 1.) They tried to kill me 2.) attempting to make it look like one team has been eliminated wich is absolutly false given we had kills from both teams last night.

So I'm thinkin' the last two scum are between BB, Lucky and WC.

vote:BB

Now my question is why would a kill fail on Nero?

[WrathChild]

Sorry for the Double post, DN is welcome to delete the first one if he wants.

[WrathChild]

I'm not following the timestamp thing. Can you explain? Also, if BB is scum he could have lied about force pulling.

[WrathChild]

Oh good, Cow is here. Have you been penalized for violating your posting restriction?

[WrathChild]

I'm not following the timestamp thing. Can you explain? Also, if BB is scum he could have lied about force pulling.

I assume he's saying "DN was on between the time that lucky said he PM'd the mod about a result and the time that he posted with a result, so he must have actually conversed with the mod"

Oh good, Cow is here. Have you been penalized for violating your posting restriction?

No, as I have not violated my posting restriction to my knowledge.

I don't follow how that makes Cow scum.

[WrathChild]

The major weakness I see in this line of thought is that it assumes BB is telling the truth about his role and, to be honest (yes I read your kill flavor comment) I find it much more likely that either BB or Nero is the stabber. So considering that I have my doubts about fully trusting BB in targeting matters. I'm hesitant about lynching cow because I don't think its common to give scum a posting restriction and I don't think Cow is faking it. Now let's look at the scum flips:

Red: Strongman, Cop
Orange: Safe Killer, Silencer/Commuter

Seeing the presence of a a strongman and a safe killer make me think that there is some balance to the teams. Since Cop and Silencer/Commuter don't really balance I'd suspect that there is a missing information role for the orange team and a missing protection role on the red team.

Both BB and Nero have claimed some sort of protected role (force/blaster immune). What still bugs me is that I think Nero should be dead. I think the stabber should have killed him. He had a power role and he was the least suspected among the logical targets.

[WrathChild]

hey slandaar, how about my proposal?

I feel like we have a really good chance of lynching scum between Nero and BB. What do you think about that?

[WrathChild]

If we mislynch and we have 50-50 between Nero and BB, we lynch Nero and blaster BB tonight.

[WrathChild]

If we mislynch and we have 50-50 between Nero and BB, we lynch Nero and blaster BB tonight.

BB only claimed force immune not blaster immune right?

[WrathChild]

We can't blaster Nero. He either deflects it or redirects it according to his claim. We need to lynch Nero so our blasters can still be effective. I don't like how Cow is painting it as I am the only one that can be a liar. Granted he knows whether or not he is lying, but the bottom line is that there is one or more scum remaining who could have lied instead of me. It's not just cut and dry. One of the remaining scum could be a roleblocker and blocked Cow. There are a million other scenerios that don't involve me lying. For some reason Cow is assuming every one else is telling the truth but me, when in reality there is probably a 100% chance that one or more scum are lying about their claim. To assume I'm the one lying based on everyone else telling the truth is bad logic. I still think our best course of action is to lynch Nero and blaster BB. BB has had heat on him quite a bit lately and its obvious why he wasn't NKed last night, but Nero on the other hand should have been target #1 if he was town.

VOTE: Nero

[WrathChild]

yeah night3. Nexus was killed by both scum teams

AFTER

Sean was lynched wich means there has to be a third member.

The major weakness I see in this line of thought is that it assumes BB is telling the truth about his role and, to be honest (yes I read your kill flavor comment) I find it much more likely that either BB or Nero is the stabber. So considering that I have my doubts about fully trusting BB in targeting matters.

I would ask you why you are hunting for only one team but I think the answer is pretty plain.

The bottom line is that we had a new piece of evidence last night:

[WrathChild]

oh stop playing dumb.

There was no "new" evidence

. The fact that Nexus was killed by

BOTH

teams means that its 3 vs. 3. Your failed kill or choice not to kill to atempt to make it look like a 3 v. 2 is so fake fake fake.

Stop ignoring the obvious. Look at the friggin picture. Kill flavor is this game's Achilles's heel. The new evidence is right there in front of your eyes.

STABBED

IN

THE

CHEST

That's about as new evidence as we can get at this point. I have never argued once anything about team numbers and the fact that you're trying to make that some sort of case against me proves you are flailing scum.

nero, you good with you being blaster target? cause, while it may not confirm alignments, it can confirm that you and bbmolla were telling the truth about your roles. may need to rethink though cause scum could pull some shenanigans.

the only other people I'll blaster tonight is bbmolla or wraithchild.

So on the off chance that he's scum telling the truth about his role he can ruin our blaster shot? I think not. If you are ok blastering him you should be ok lynching him. Why would that make any sense over lynching him and blastering bb or myself if you think we are scum?

[WrathChild]

oh scum ple-ase.

I get it. I see. There was one kill last night. That does not mean oly one team is left.

Blasted is the vig flavor.

Nexus was shot in the head AND fell into a hole. Two kill flavors wich means he was crosskilled. That tells us both teams were still alive. We lynched Briz. We had one kill. OK. So for us to have eliminated a scum team you'd have to belive it was 3/2 or 4/2 setup wich I find highly unlikely.

Your "hurr durr wez only had 1 kill soz that meanz we has 1 team left" is so pitiful.

and then you're all like "THATS NOT MY POINT!"

Then what is your point? That me or BB is the stabber (assuming that the stabber isn't fake claiming) ok then.

So why are you hunting for the stabber, why not the shooter?

In wich you replied "ZOMG WE HAS NEW EVIDENCE!!!" wich I fail to see the point unless you were pointing out how we have only one team left.

So I just double checked my ISO (something you should be doing, not me) and nowhere was there anything resembling ""hurr durr wez only had 1 kill soz that meanz we has 1 team left". So... yeah... sweet straw man.

I'm hunting for the stabber because there two people claiming to have lightsabers and 4 claiming to have guns. I'll take a 50-50 chance of lynching scum over a 25% chance any day. We have 100% chance of killing scum if we lynch you (and by some miracle you flip town) and blaster BB. If you were town you'd be fine with the idea. That would leave Cow, Anxiety, Lucky, Slandaar and myself to find the last scum in a 3 v 3 v 14 set up. One scum vs. one confirmed town and three unconfirmed. Sounds like pretty good odds.

We should be lynching WC scum and blastering Lucky.

With you flailing around like this? No thanks.

What's the case on

[WrathChild]

EBWOP:
What's the case on Lucky?

[WrathChild]

Since I know that I'm town, BB has to be the stabber unless one of the blasters are fake claiming.

So why aren't you voting for BB?

Its true that you never actully said "hey guys we only have 1 team left" although your not hunting for a blaster killer strongly suggests that you believe such or that you are the blaster killer and you can't hunt for yourself. And I know you'll say well we have a better shot at killing off the stabber" yet your lack of even speculation on who the blaster may be and your "lets get rid of stabbing roles" strongly looks like you trying to get rid of the opposing scum team.

Hypocrisy alert! I already explained why it is more fruitful for us to go after stabbers instead of blasters, but you seem to want to just brush the stabber aside and focus on the lack of a blaster kill two nights ago.

ABSENCE OF EVIDENCE IS NOT EVIDENCE IN ITSELF.

I dislike the idea of you living. Putting you in a 4 person lylo (as I assume you'll kill conf town Slan) doesn't fill me with cofidence as it gives you the same 25% chance to hit scum that you supposedly dislike. The only reason you'd not want the number of blasters to go down is you'd have less room to hide. If you dislike the 25% chance of hitting scum I don't see why you are so unwilling to get rid of scummy blasters....that seems like a rather big disconnect.

And here we have it. Nero says putting ME in a 4 person lylo gives ME a 25% chance to hit SCUM, implying that he does not believe I am scum but is pushing for my lynch regardless.

We should be lynching WC scum and blastering Lucky.

With you flailing around like this? No thanks.

this is no different then your "lets kill of Nero and BB"[/quote]
Fine I'll concede killing BB tonight won't work. I just re-read his claim. He's blasterproof too. Which is another reason that one of you have to be scum. So I say, let's lynch Nero and then we can blaster lucky because his stupid self confirm gambit was ridiculous and a response to pressure applied by Nero. I say it's probably Nero and Lucky scum at this point.

[WrathChild]

Sung to the Tune of Jizz in my Pants:

(Qui-Gon) Orange eyes from across the room
Down my drink, while the rhythms boom
Take your blade and skip the names
No need here for the silly games
Make our way through the reactor core
The club is the sky and I'm on your cloud
Move in close as the sabers fly
Our sabers touch and the angels cry
Leave this place go back to the core
Our blades first touch inside the doors
A whole night what we've got in store
Whisper in my ear that you want some more
And I'm

Stabbed in the chest

This really never happens I'm an expert with a sword
Double blades, that's just absurd
Mainly your fault from the way that you jest
And now I'm

Stabbed in the chest

Don't tell your friends or I'll say you were a kilt
Plus it's your fault, you were rubbing my hilt
I'm very sensitive to the force, some would say that's the Jedi code

Now I'll go home and change my robe

(Obi-Wan) I need a few things from the Cantina
Do things alone now mostly
Left me heart broken not lookin' for a Master
Surprise in my eyes when I looked at a saber
The check out counter and I saw his face
My heart stood still so did time and hyperspace
Never felt that I could feel real again
But the look in his eyes said I'm about to be dead
He turned to me that's when he said it
Looked me dead in the face, asked "cash or credit?"
And I'm

Stabbed in the chest

It's perfectly normal, nothing wrong with me
Oh we're going to need a clean up in the Cantina
And now I'm posed in an awkward stance because I'm

Stabbed in the chest

To be fair, two swords is a lot
Plus the way you have horns got me bothered and hot
Please stop acting like you're not depressed
One more thing, I'm gonna pay by cheque

Last week - I saw a film
As I recall it was a star wars film
Walked outside into the rain
Checked my communicator and saw you rang and I'm

Stabbed in the chest

Speeding down the street when the red blades flash
Need to get away need to make a dash
Duel of Fates comes on and reminds me of you and I'm

Stabbed in the chest

The next day my alarm goes off and I'm

Stabbed in the chest

Open my window and a breeze rolls in and I'm

Stabbed in the chest

When Darth Vader was Luke's dad at the end of Episode Six

Stabbed in the chest

I just ate a grape and I"m

Stabbed in the chest

I went to

Stabbed in the chest
(Ok seriously you guys can we... ok)

I'm stabbed right in my chest every time you're next to me
And when we're crossing lightsabers it's like cardiac arrest to me
You say I'm premature I just call it death you see
I wear a chest plate at all times it's a necessity

Cuz I'm stabbed in the chest

Yes, I'm stabbed in the chest

Yes, I saw my mother. She reminded me of you so I'm

Stabbed in the chest

[WrathChild]

[WrathChild]

How does someone claiming blasterproof and actually being blaster proof mean they are town? Scum can have blasterproof as well. Planning to blaster either of them to confirm them is a hideous waste of a group vig. I would have never proposed it earlier if I had realized that BB claimed forceproof AND blasterproof. That's why I'm happy to blaster you tonight.

[WrathChild]

You do realize that if either BB or Nero are scum and truly BP we are going to need to lynch them right?

[WrathChild]

blaster shots on me tonight. My multideflect is one shot so we only get one shot at this.

this might be the last night we get to use the blaster too

would rather lynch between saber claims than blaster claims.

If we lynch Cow we need a perfectly synchronized blaster plan or we will fail. On top of that, both saber claims also claim blasterproof.

Oh crap, I just thought of something.

[WrathChild]

So why is WC scum? Well besides his countless IIOA posts his stance that (and he's going to claim town as scum) he doesn't like the 25% choice of scum between the blasters and therefore wants to lynch between me and BB makes absolutly no sense as town. If he were town as he claims then he'd want to lynch/vig the two other scummiest blasters (Cow and Lucky) but if we killed Nero and BB like he wants. (and assuming that BB is scum) It puts him right back into that 25% choice in lylo that he supposedly dislikes.

I don't even know what you mean by IIOA. Let me draw a map:

Today we probably have a 50-50 chance between saber claims and a 25% chance between blaster claims. BEST ODDS: Lynch Saber Claim
Tonight Slandaar and/or the other Saber Claim die for sure by NK and one of the Blaster claims gets blastered.
If we haven't won, that leaves us with 3 of the following 4: WC, Anxiety, Cow, Lucky. With one of the remaining 3 as scum, we have a 33% chance of lynching scum. Nero's math is terrible and scummy.

Hypocrite scum is hypocrite.

1) + his "Nero isn't dead so he must be scum" is scum logic.

2) +he wants to kill me b/c I'm blasterproof. Only scum want to kill someone for being blasterproof.

1) How so?
2) Nero claims blasterproof, not bulletproof. He's attempting to spin it like he is immune to NK, when his claim is only that he is immune to blasters (The VT Joint Vig). Scum could care less if he's immune to vigs. Him trying to spin it like I just want to lynch because I'm scum and incapable of killing him is ridiculous and scummy.

Since I know that I'm town, BB has to be the stabber unless one of the blasters are fake claiming.

So why aren't you voting for BB?

So why aren't you voting the blasters to try and clear yourself? Simply put there doesn't seem to be any movement on a BB lynch and I'm quite convinced that you are scum. Though if you'd like to vote BB I'll gladly join you

And here it is:

It's not my job to clear myself. It's my job to lynch/balster scum. Only scum need to clear themselves and you thinking that's what I should be doing obviously reflects your scum-approach to this game.

[WrathChild]

So why is WC scum? Well besides his countless IIOA posts his stance that (and he's going to claim town as scum) he doesn't like the 25% choice of scum between the blasters and therefore wants to lynch between me and BB makes absolutly no sense as town. If he were town as he claims then he'd want to lynch/vig the two other scummiest blasters (Cow and Lucky) but if we killed Nero and BB like he wants. (and assuming that BB is scum)

It puts him right back into that 25% choice in lylo that he supposedly dislikes

.

HAHAHAHAHA! SCUMSLIP!!!!

The only way we go into tomorrow in the 25% choice in Lylo is if we lynch scum today. A scum-lynch today means we go into tomorrow with 4 people not 3. The fact that he was drawing out the scenario where 4 people go into Lylo tomorrow confirms that he is scum.

[WrathChild]

I think I made that confusing:

We lynch scum today (6), one scum NK (5), one Blaster Mis-Vig (4), we go into tomorrow with 4 players (25% like Nero stated)
We lynch town today (6), two scum NK (4), one Blaster Mis-Vig (3), we go into tomorrow with 3 players (33%)

[WrathChild]

Nero's trying to cover. Look at what I bolded in red. He specifically says 1 in 4 in LYLO, but is now trying to act like he said 1 in 4 today/tonight. The only way we get 4 people in Lylo is by lynching scum today, if we lynch town today we go into Lylo with 3. I proposed to lynch Nero, he came back with his 1 in 4 scumslip.

I'll go slow for you too Nero.

We mislynch today (6), we go into night with two scum teams. Worst case scenerio, one (Saber Kill) will kill Slaandar (Conf Town) (5) and the other will kill (Head Shot Kill) whichever Saber claim we don't lynch today (4) to eliminate the other scum team. If Saber Kill tries to kill HS Scum, he's shooting into a crowd of 4 blaster claims, one of which will be blastered tonight anyways. Too big of a risk of double killing or missing HS Scum. If that happens he goes into the next day severely at risk. Then we blaster a scummy blaster claim tonight (3) and Walla! Three left, one of which is scum.

We lynch Saber Scum today (6), we go into night with only one scum team, HS Scum. HS Scum MUST kill Slaandar or the other Saber Claim, both of which will be essentially confirmed town (5). Then we blaster one of the blaster claims tonight (4) and Walla! Four left, one of which is scum.

So basically Saber Scum is fucked no matter what he does. He's gonna get lynched today, Head Shot tonight or Lynched Tomorrow. Does this mean that we should let Saber Scum live? Hell no. The other thing to point out is that if we mislynch, we're in a bad way tomorrow where a single vote could end the game with a quick scum hammer. So if I have a 50-50 compared to a 25% chance to lynch scum today, I'd hope I wouldn't be the only one to take that chance.

Do you actually think that if you were immune to one player on one teams NK it would make you town (Godfathers get BP abilities all the time)? I thought it was pretty clear that you claimed immune to blasters, as in the Group Vig mechanic, not flavor kills. How do you even know HS Scum is using a Blaster and not a Cross Bow? Hey BB, you're blaster immune too right? How about we compare wordings between Nero and BB? Did you (BB) have any inclination that your ability might protect you from a shot to the head?

I don't think half the thread finds me scummy as hell, sweet misrep dude.

I am trying to avoid the mislynch and I have explained a dozen times why we need to lynch Saber Scum and not blaster scum. We have twice as good of a chance to lynch Saber Scum as we do to lynch HS Scum. If we mislynch (as I explained above) we're in some hurt tomorrow.

Bottom Line:

I think we have lynch a Saber Claim today. I think Nero made a significant scumslip (1 in 4) and he should be lynched. I would also lynch BB, but I much prefer Nero.

[WrathChild]

This is incorrect and a huge misrep. I'm immune to the group vig AND one teams nk since "shot in the head" is a blaster. This is why you want me gone, you can't kill me or vig me.

Please show me in your initial claim where you said you were immune to one team's NK.

Seriously Cow? Did you even need to ask? You should be jumping all over this. He never did, just lynch him and we can get down to our fire fight tonight.

[WrathChild]

Because I typed my claim from memory it means I scum. Palease.

Also look at Nero's garbage math just to justify his 1 in 4 scumslip. He says both scum teams kill Slan just to justify his scumslip. I already explained why, in the case of a mislynch, slan and the other saber claim will be killed.

[WrathChild]

This is incorrect and a huge misrep. I'm immune to the group vig AND one teams nk since "shot in the head" is a blaster. This is why you want me gone, you can't kill me or vig me.

Please show me in your initial claim where you said you were immune to one team's NK.

Seriously Cow? Did you even need to ask? You should be jumping all over this. He never did, just lynch him and we can get down to our fire fight tonight.

Yes, I do need to ask. It looks like a huge change of claim, but I don't have the time to go back and look for it for a few hours, so I figured I should ask the person who actually made the claim to find where he claimed it before.

This isn't a change in claim. I'm merely assuming that its from a blaster since I think WC is fake claiming town princess leia (which he can't even spell right!)

No, it's you trying to sound more useful than you are and trying to get me lynched for it.

[WrathChild]

This is incorrect and a huge misrep. I'm immune to the group vig AND one teams nk since "shot in the head" is a blaster. This is why you want me gone, you can't kill me or vig me.

Please show me in your initial claim where you said you were immune to one team's NK.

Seriously Cow? Did you even need to ask? You should be jumping all over this. He never did, just lynch him and we can get down to our fire fight tonight.

Yes, I do need to ask. It looks like a huge change of claim, but I don't have the time to go back and look for it for a few hours, so I figured I should ask the person who actually made the claim to find where he claimed it before.

This isn't a change in claim. I'm merely assuming that its from a blaster since I think WC is fake claiming town princess leia (which he can't even spell right!)

Wow, I quickly checked, and you're absolutely right. His claim is misspelled. I don't know how everyone missed that the first time. Lynch WC please.

Also, if Cow is serious about this, its pretty obvious who the HS Scum is. Blasters at Cow tonight.

[WrathChild]

Wow, I quickly checked, and you're absolutely right. His claim is misspelled. I don't know how everyone missed that the first time. Lynch WC please.

Also, if Cow is serious about this, its pretty obvious who the HS Scum is. Blasters at Cow tonight.

"It's obvious when I fakeclaim wrong that everyone who calls me out on it is scum"

Its no fake claim. Yes, I spelled her name wrong, but saying that if proof that I am scum is superiorly weak logic used to try to push forward a mislynch, which as I pointed out is incredibly bad for us tomorrow. If you're so sure I'm scum shoot me tonight, something that you can't do to Nero according to his claim.

Cow, do you think Nero is scum?

If so we need to lynch him. If you're town you can "blaster" me all you want tonight and there is nothing I could do about it. Like I said in my incredibly well thought out plan, we lynch Nero, Slan will get stabbed and BB will get a head shot. Then we blaster away tonight. I'll shoot you, you'll shoot me and Anx and Lucky will take their pick. I'm fine with this plan. What does lynching me do here when I can get blastered tonight? I don't get why this is so hard to explain. Oh that's right, I have flailing stabber-scum mucking up the thread.

[WrathChild]

oh look!!! Outted scum WC is white knighting himself.

infact. If WC flips town lynch me tomorrow.

[WrathChild]

1. What? I don't even... Huh?
2. How about we just lynch you now and save the trouble? If you were really town, you'd know how bad of an idea that is, but you're not and you're just being pompous.

[WrathChild]

I am adamant about lynching Nero because he's scum:



He slipped with the 1 in 4 comment and has been flailing since. Seriously. I gave you Sean-Scum, Ackbar-Scum and I'm giving you Nero scum. Seriously what else do you want from me? As I already explained. A mislynch today puts us in a 3 person LyLo tomorrow. You want to risk that on some pet-theory?

Look at Nero's defense:

"But i'm bulletproof", NC
"No you're not, you claimed blasterproof," WC
"Well that's what I meant," NC

or...

"If you lynch me, you'll go into tomorrow with a 1 in 4 LyLo," NC
"Well, that's only if you're scum", WC
"No I meant today, you're 1 in 4 of the blaster pool", NC
"Nope, I'm pretty sure you said 1 in 4 LyLo tomorrow", WC

or...

"Well, one of BB or Nero has to be scum," WC
"I agree, let's lynch WC," NC
"Shouldn't you be voting BB?", WC
"Well, when he flips town I'm screwed," NC

Seriously, why the hell isn't Nero voting BB?

[WrathChild]

GAH! This is so frustrating. If Nero was town, his vote should be 100% on BB. It's not because when BB flips town, Nero is screwed.

[WrathChild]

well, since no lynch is off the table,

Vote: WraithChild

sorry slandaar, i just find hascow's claim way more believable with the timing of it and the post restriction

also I have a pet theory about scum with the missing kill wanting to lynch the person they know the kill failed on. WC being adamant about lynching Nero Cain lines up with that theory.

Shoot me tonight if you think I'm scum. It's absolute stupidity to not lynch Nero.

[WrathChild]

I am Darth Maul.

I have two powers. A blaster deflect and a reflective blaster deflect.

if someone shoots at me (with blasters) they don't effect me.

Sense I'm a Jedi and I'll I sense your next question, no the deflected blaster bolts don't go anywhere unless DN is keeping that secret.

I have two explanations to the lack of a 2nd scum kill. 1.) They tried to kill me

UNVOTE:
VOTE: NC
So that everyone can see the case on NC.

+ WC's stuff about stabbing in the chest.

The fact that he's not voting BB and has not even once attempted to pursue his lynch pretty much cements that he is scum. This is probably the strongest point against him and it needs to be lynch worthy.

[WrathChild]

also I have a pet theory about scum with the missing kill wanting to lynch the person they know the kill failed on. WC being adamant about lynching Nero Cain lines up with that theory.

I also have considered this

Vote NC, hes scum in said theory.

Not that I'm arguing, but I don't get what you mean.

[WrathChild]

Anx is saying he thinks you know NC is scum because you are the red scum who failed the kill on NC.

If Anx thinks we're both scum, then by all means lynch Nero and Blaster me. Not the other way around. Trying "Test" Nero's claim is about the worst thing we could do right now.

[WrathChild]

lol someone knows they're going to flip scum. WC is scum scum scum. He's scum b/c he doesn't want to find the blaster scum since he can't hunt himself. 4NX is right on the money. He's been trying to get me lynched since he can't kill me. He also

KNOWS

that BB is scum but he doesn't want to lynch BB b/c as soon as BB gets lynched I'd be conf town

AND

there'd only be 1 scum left, himself and so he's trying to keep the other scum alive to keep pressure off himself.

BB is full of cofrimation bias. He's not cofinfirmed to anyone but is trying to say that he is. The 1 in 4 thing is from my, Sland pov. There's 1 scum in WC/Cow/Lucky/4nx. I've asked him numerous times who he thinks the blaster is but refusses to comment. Only scum do this.

"But i'm bulletproof", NC
"No you're not, you claimed blasterproof," WC
"Well that's what I meant," NC

BIGGEST. MISREP. EVER.

blasterproof=bulletproof since ya know we don't have bullets and blasters are the kind of bullets we have.

GAH! This is so frustrating. If Nero was town, his vote should be 100% on BB. It's not because when BB flips town, Nero is screwed.

and if you were town you would atleast speculate on who the blaster kill is but you won't since you can't hunt yourself. I did offer did joing you on BB but you refused since you want to save lynching him until tomarrow.

guys we need to lynch WC. We targets me with Blasters and I mutltideflect.

Anx is saying he thinks you know NC is scum because you are the red scum who failed the kill on NC.

If Anx thinks we're both scum, then by all means lynch Nero and

Blaster me

. Not the other way around. Trying "Test" Nero's claim is about the worst thing we could do right now.

no. You probs have a bullets (blaster for the anal retentive scum) proof power like BB does. So we need to lynch you.

So why aren't you voting BB again? If you know he's scum, why are you lynching me? That's right because you know he's not scum. So you'd prefer to hang me and attempt to blaster someone who claimed blasterproof? Why not the other way around? Why lynch me when I'm going to get killed tonight anyway? Seriously, cow is going to shoot me and Anx is going to shoot me, so why are you pushing for my lynch? Because you know BB would flip town and confirm you scum. So you have to push someone else. You have the biggest hypocrisy boner right now when in fact you are being a bigger hypocrite by not voting BB. Odds are better today to lynch saber claims than they are to lynch blaster claims. Once I explained the saber dilemma you should have immediately been on BB, instead you start waving your hands around trying to make us forget that there are two saber claims and four blaster claims. It makes absolutely ZERO sense to go after blasters today when we can completely eliminate the Saber team by the turn of the day, but you don't want that to happen. Why? Because you are the Saber Team.

I mean, how much more obvious is the flavor kill. I have photographic proof.

Seriously, we need to lynch Nero. Not lynching him is the biggest mistake we can make. I provided so much evidence against him, it should not be this hard. If he were town he'd admit this is the best course of action, but instead he's flailing. I'm a great blaster target for tonight, but an awful lynch today. How does this fit into Nero's doomsaying? It doesn't. Now he's saying I'm blasterproof too? Palease. This implies three blasterproof roles.

Don't even get me started about you claim either.

Seriously, the best course of action is to lynch Nero and blaster me. The fact that he won't admit that confirms that he is scum.

[WrathChild]

Also, the "Well there wasn't any traction on the BB lynch" is basically a scum claim as well. If you're town and there's not traction on someone that's 100% guaranteed scum you make traction. Scum look for the wagon with traction. Want a quote? Coming right up...

[WrathChild]

Since I know that I'm town, BB has to be the stabber unless one of the blasters are fake claiming.

So why aren't you voting for BB?

So why aren't you voting the blasters to try and clear yourself? Simply put there doesn't seem to be any movement on a BB lynch and I'm quite convinced that you are scum. Though if you'd like to vote BB I'll gladly join you

So much wrong with this post. I already explained that I shouldn't have to clear myself, I should lynch scum. The simple fact that he worded it like so says to me that that is his mindset in this game, the mindset of scum.

Then there it is... "There didn't seem to be any movement on a BB lynch." Who the eff cares if there is no movement if a player is 100% scum? You make the movement if you're town, you wait until you see where the movement is going if you're scum.

This is a very simple fact of mafia.

[WrathChild]

Sooooo....
Since I lynched the most scum and was the last surviving scum I get town and scum MVP right?

[WrathChild]

I also really enjoyed this case. Guess I was the only one.

[WrathChild]

Sooooo....
Since I lynched the most scum and was the last surviving scum I get town and scum MVP right?

Nearly. But really,there was no way you were going to win after the night Nexus got shot twice and not-blastered, because if I died and flipped town, you HAD to be lying. Plus, as Nero was pointing out, you were way too focused on the stabber yesterday, when what really mattered was just getting a scum.[/quote]
In all honesty, it was the best move for town to go after saber kill (which was pretty much guaranteed at that point). Yeah I was scum, but it was not antitown to go after nero.

[WrathChild]

Hey MoI,
Was this what you thought you needed to be replaced out for?

http://forums.station.sony.com/strategy ... c_id=78802

[WrathChild]

BTW:

Princess Leia OrganaItems:
A) Blaster- Joint Vig (With Storm Troopers)
B) Disguise- GodFather

Mafia Faction Kill- One player is allowed to make this kill on your team. The person is unable to preform other powers that night. Your quick topic is here.

Win Condition- You win when only your team equal or exceeds the town or nothing can prevent the same.

Please confirm via PM and inform me of any questions you have regarding game specific rules.
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=20887

[WrathChild]

http://www.quicktopic.com/47/H/A7qk27QtZQxGc