WoT Mafia, GAME OVER

[Machiavellian-Mafia]

Woah 3 dead, from the description of the deaths I'm assuming Fuldu and Mudbuck were town while Shamrock was scum? I'll kick off this game with a

random vote: MrBuddyLee

[Machiavellian-Mafia]

Woah, never seen a poem post like this, maybe it's a posting restriction? Looks like Tamuz is quite sure about Mr. Flay being scum, so

unvote, vote: Mr. Flay

, and let's see how Mr. Flay defends himself.

[Machiavellian-Mafia]

Can we get a vote count please?

[Machiavellian-Mafia]

as for the flay thing, granted there could be sanity issues involved, but there are not very many ways to test sanity, and one of them (esp in day one) is to lynch the person and see what pops up

I expected that defense from Mr. Flay and the first thing came out of my mind was exactly that.

Lots of good stuff here. It looks a lot like four or five people in particular are scum, which is a huge number to be this sticky-out this early, but better to reserve judgment until everyone has checked in. But one thing is clear: Karn is scum. Also, probably, Mariyta is scum, and the Flaywagon is scum-ridden (which does not rule out the possibility that Mr. Flay is himself scum).

Interesting, your avoidance of Tamuz's poems, the main topic of discussion right now, and lack of reasons for yor main scum suspects are noted. Have anything to say about that either?

I would also like to hear what pj has to say about what has happened after his most recent post.

[Machiavellian-Mafia]

PJ I think you misinterpreted my post. I tend to write a lot of run-on sentences sometimes. What I mean about "I expected that defense from Mr. Flay and the first thing came out of my mind was exactly that" is that I expected Mr. Flay to come up the defense of cop sanity and what logiticus said was also my reaction to Mr. Flay's defense.

[Machiavellian-Mafia]

Since tamuz claimed not to be cop and there is possibility of mind control like people are mentioing, mr. flay is off the hook for now so

unvote mr. flay

Also a vote count would be pretty helpful right about now

[Machiavellian-Mafia]

1.) Karn1’s random vote was on Mariyta (who he has now claimed an innocent investigation on, making this, if true, a very badly placed random vote)
2.) Karn1 “trusts my gut” a lot more than a random vote: seems like a cross between flattering me and being willing to hop on ChannelDelibird so long I mention the word “gut”
3.) Was the first person to mention the goodness that is probably cross-killing
4.) Small use of humor in his first post (The “I hate random votes”, “Random Vote: Maritya”) thing
5.) The “I would probably vote Mr. Flay at this point” and waits for Mr. Flay to defend himself
6.) But afterwards says the he “will probably vote Mr. Flay as soon as he comes in to defend himself”
7.) Votes Mr. Flay for ‘overreacting’ without giving any examples of overreaction
8.) Said “lynch either me or Flay”, which is firstly a false dilemma, and secondly showing what I think to be slight scum frustration
9.) Claiming very quickly upon suggestion
10.) Claiming only “Nynaeve, Village Wisdom” when last names appear to be the norm
11.) Claiming a role which does not mesh well with the character of Nynaeve (super-Cop)
12.) Happened to randomly investigate my (and others) next biggest guess at who is scum
13.) Saying he “has no idea what type of role Nynaeve would be”, which implies to me that he therefore thought Super-Cop sounded powerful enough to get the votes off of him
14.) Asking for a Doctor to protect him

If you need clarification on

why

I think these things are scum-tells, I suppose I can do that as well, but I think this is sufficient.

Good catches pj. The point that convinced me of karn being scum is #11 about karn's made up claim. I see no reason not to finish him off now, so vote: karn1

[Machiavellian-Mafia]

EBWOP:

vote: karn1

, sorry forgot to bold it

[Machiavellian-Mafia]

Do you have no intent to role-claim, Karn1? I think we're going to want one before much else goes on.

Is that what everyone is waiting on? People should tell me these things.

If you must know, I'm

Nynaeve, Village Wisdom

My role is very simple but it has a variety of uses. Each night I can ask a yes or no question. I get a correct anwser in the morning. I'm not sure if asking that someone is scum could bypass investigation immunity or anything, but it's far beyond a simple cop role.

Last night I asked if Mariyta was scum. the anwser was no.

If you want to know anything else, I'll be happy to answer any questions.

Made-up claim + trying to clear Mariyta = Mariyta scum

vote Mariyta

[Machiavellian-Mafia]

I know logicticus, mesaana is like one of the main antagonists in WoT, wonder why that would not be antitown

[Machiavellian-Mafia]

MBL, I did some research on Wikipedia about collars in WoT and I may have found why you broke free:

["Wikipedia"]The Seanchan ("SHAN-chen") are the descendants of Artur Hawkwing and the armies he sent across the Aryth Ocean. The Seanchan have returned after hundreds of years to reclaim the land that was stolen by 'oathbreakers,' rulers who claimed lands after Artur Hawkwing died. The Seanchan believe that any women who can channel (marath'damane - "those who must be leashed") are dangerous and must be captured and controlled. Damane, "leashed ones," are controlled by using a ter'angreal called an a'dam, a silver collar and silver bracelet connected by a leash. The a'dam gives the sul'dam ("leash holder") the ability to direct the damane's channeling as well as deal reward or punishment. Damane are treated as animals and property, a weapon in the hands of their sul'dam, to be used and abused as the sul'dam sees fit; Seanchan are quite good at propaganda and psychological subversion, and those in their service tend to embrace their slavery. The Seanchan as a whole remain unaware that sul'dam are women who can channel but do not have the spark.[/quote]

So if the Seanchan do exist as a cult, they can probably only recruit female channellers.

[Machiavellian-Mafia]

I don't really buy mariyta's claim. From my research on wikipedia Taim was mostly an antagonistic character, and the vig claim can just easily be scum with killing ability. And your kill of Mr. Flay can just easily be your scum group trying to oust someone from the other scum group.

[Machiavellian-Mafia]

unvote

Vote: Themanhimself

When I said I'm fairly sure that Yos is scum, I mean 100% sure that he is. But if themanhimself is a better play for today then that's cool.

Spamwise if you are 100% sure Yos is scum then why vote TMH, who you are not 100% sure is scum?

[Machiavellian-Mafia]

I agree with cyan here, a player claiming 100% certainty on a certain issue is a pretty bold action, so right now I think it's a coin flip between whether SW is lying with his 100% claim or Yos is lying with his mason claim. I'll do a reread to see which one is more likely.

[Machiavellian-Mafia]

I'll be going on vacation from june 29th ~ july 9th with very little possibility of internet access.

[Machiavellian-Mafia]

I'm back from my vacation, ill reread and post ASAP

[Machiavellian-Mafia]

I agree about not making the day short and waiting for others to chip in, so there is no rush to lynch anyone right now.

Looking at Illumina and Yos , it definately looks like one person is lying, with Yos being more likely. I would like to hear SpamWise's take as the other mason before deciding who we should lynch.

[Machiavellian-Mafia]

I buy spamwise's and illumina's viewpoints a lot more than Yos's, let's finish off this scum now,

vote: yosarian2

[Machiavellian-Mafia]

MBL I'd say MMoD is pretty much cleared with his info he gave us yesterday. Also the large amount of scum dead could explain the lone nightkill since there could be an entire scum group dead.

I'll be rereading to see who I'm suspicious of.

[Machiavellian-Mafia]

I have no problem with the mass claiming and afterwards we'll be in great shape to wrap this game up and win.

[Machiavellian-Mafia]

Anony it's a matter of letting the people most likely to be scum claim first so that their fake claims can be counterclaimed later on.

[Machiavellian-Mafia]

I'm a Marath'damane who uses collars every night to first investigate whether that person is a female channeler, and if that person is a female channeler then I would successfully collar her and I may choose to use her channeling to vig somebody that night. So I'm a combo of a weak cop and vig.

[Machiavellian-Mafia]

I'm a little surprised too, thought for sure Tamuz was Thom Merrillon

[Machiavellian-Mafia]

I'll vote for Skylink soon enough, but I want results from Machiavellian-Mafia first.

Here it is:

Night 1: Targetted MBL(random), not female channeler
Night 2: Targetted PJ(random), not female channeler
Night 3: Targetted BJ(thought BJ could be scum since Bacde super-lurked), yes female channeler, didn't vig
Night 4: Targetted Yos(Followed SW's lead on Yos), yes female channeler, didn't vig
Night 5: Targetted Illumina(To verify claim), yes female channeler, didn't vig

I chose to not vig when I could since I never saw a person scummy enough to be vigged when there was an abundance of kills every night already.

[Machiavellian-Mafia]

*plays Jeopardy music as we are waiting for MBL to respond*

[Machiavellian-Mafia]

I'd get M-M's specific rolename before proposing further action.

My role PM just said marath damane so I'm not a specific character.

Looking at the claims I don't see anyone obviously lying except skylink, so I can agree with the considerations of no-vig.

[Machiavellian-Mafia]

Woah, Lordy's disappearance was very very strange indeed. Do you all want to know who I collared?

I'd agree with attrition. It seems like someone is hiding secrets from us in all the protown-like claims yesterday. It may very well be mod giving people safe claims.

[Machiavellian-Mafia]

I got a "not malicious" (paraphrased) on M-M. I thought he had a good chance of turning up scum after I read this last night:

Damane ("leashed one") are women who can channel and are controlled by use of an a'dam. Women who can channel but who have not yet been made damane are called marath'damane

So technically the one who collars is NOT the marath'damane, the one who GETS collared is. Either our mod made a mistake or something weird is going on.

I am not that familiar with WoT, and my role PM said I'm marath'damane, so the mod could have made an mistake.

Yeah, who'd ya collar?

I collared Lordy last night to check his claim and he looks to be telling the truth. And I was very surprised about Lordy's disappearance, but I didn't have anything to do with it.

[Machiavellian-Mafia]

I targetted nobody last night, so no one was collared.

I'm waiting for MBL and MMoD as well before moving on.

[Machiavellian-Mafia]

1. I don't know where you all got info of me using balefire. I wish I could quote this, but I was specifically told by the mod that when I collared successfully I may use The Power to vig next night.

2. I was investigated by MBL the night that lordy disappeared. So if you think I have GF-like abilities when I don't target anyone, I could not have been involved in lordy's disappearance.

3. I will clarify with the mod via PM, but you should have gotten a PM saying that you were attempted to be collared since I received the same PM about MBL and he admits that he was collared. The only other possibility I can think of is the collaring somehow got transferred to Ghyrt.

[Machiavellian-Mafia]

3. The mod replied to me saying that it was his mistake, so you should receive a PM from the mod now about being attempted to be collared during the 2nd night.

1. A large sized game often have multiple vigs since one vig could be killed quickly via nightkill or lynch. Plus the fact that I don't have the ability to vig every night doesn't make me a complete vig. I'm not here to try to outguess the mod though.

About Balefire and The Power, the mod only told me that I use The Power for vigging, so if it was actually Balefire, the mod wasn't specific enough. Also all this balefire speculation and players' disappearances is a moot point for me since point #3 is resolved.

2. Of course there would be no malicious intent from me if I was trying to collar lordy. Plus the fact that MBL had a positive investigation on Illumina, plus point #3 being resolved, it's clear that I am not the person responsible for balefire and the disappearances.

[Machiavellian-Mafia]

How do you deal with the fact
That unlike almost everyone else it is a name you lack
Just Collarer, and not a named Seanchan seems a bit abstract

My role name is just Marath Damane, period. I'm guessing the reason for not having a specific character was that there wasn't one specific character that fit my role or flavor.

I think the most likely person responsible for all the balefire attacks and disappearances is Ghyrt because he doesn't seem to be very involved in the game and has killing powers.

[Machiavellian-Mafia]

In addition to my suspicions, I just noticed that ghyrt has not posted in a week,

vote: ghyrt