Mafia Behind the Maiden (Game over!)

[SpyreX]

Dont stoop Alch. Its not worth it.

[SpyreX]

Ohhhh man looking at those wagon comps

[SpyreX]

Unvote, Vote: UN

Use it at night.

[SpyreX]

And you fucking browbeat her into submission until she claims her character name?
Tierce and Spyre, you should be ashamed of yourselves (assuming Tierce is protown).

No, fuck this.

No one in any multiverse said claim your name. That was unnecessary.

Much like the raw acid spewing forth gnawing holes in the fabric of space time itself. I frowned at Alch for the personal insult because thats not called for - the 0% fun though is right on the money. I'd love to do a search for how many times we've seen "fuck off" from that slot because its pretty awesome. MoI and Tammy are peas in a pod and all are unlynchable now which means, frankly, win or lose this is already a loss. I've got three games left and then its time for a hiatus because its flat our ridiculous.

The fact that that claim made sense in only that case (I was thinking commuter) is the only saving grace. The ONLY one.

As for that wagon? The only one I'd even entertain a lynch about is Ludi and even that is waaay down the line. The fact that DDD's still getting this flak when you hopped on quoting him AND no single player played save-a-ho more with Nexus than you did says something masterful.

In comparison?

Nikanor

, GreyICE, danakillsu, singersigner,

Katsuki

,

Lady Lambdadelta

, MaguaofIllusion,

kanyeknowsbest

, ToastyToast

Of those the only legit town doin stuff thats town reads I have is Grey as per yesterday. Singer and Toast are simply functions and MoI and Dana are ~claim~ magic. If a tactical nuke could be dropped on one wagon that one would be a hum dinger.

So now, I get to watch it scatter until DDD gets lynched and then *gasp* watch that be a town flip. YES.

[SpyreX]

Fine, whatever. There are like 2-3 scums left, and 19-20 towns. I'll just sit this one out and let you guys implode, /winvitational style.

Go get your DDD lynch and then talk about how I should be ashamed.

As of this point its clear Tierce was pretty wrong about her role within the greater mechanics (that doesn't change how it all went down though).

[SpyreX]

Hindu's been a town read for a while - but the big kicker was the response to your country hunt. It was the yin to the yang we saw in other places.

Add into that actually trying and that general feel its a pretty town read.

[SpyreX]

"you don't know if you have any special abilities"

I also forgot all about that fyi.

Its apparently true which could really mean hijinks later (but, with the nature of hijinks even BETTER for us with the scum decimation).

[SpyreX]

If Tammy uses tonight and Hindu targets well they either waste a RB there lalalala OR it confirms Tammy.

It wouldn't kill you if it didn't work right Hindu?

Also yes more UN voats are a good thing. I'm actively hoping that I get extra sweet powers and its a fuck you vig.

[SpyreX]

I guess I'm confused help me out:

Hindu = the love love.
Tammy = commutes.

Both of you use your abilities

If Hindu love love to Tammy:

Success:
One of you (tammy) is lying or Tammy was RB'd.
Failure:
One of you (hindu) is lying or Hindu was RB'd.

So, as long as Failure != dead Hindu well.

[SpyreX]

WELL FINE MR

[SpyreX]

Well that was a whole bunch of bad pages with some nuggets inside.

I am absolutely 100% fine with being the lynch today with the caveat that after that is done and I'm set free:

1.) UN dies.
2.) LLD dies.
3.) EVERY BIT of this cloak and dagger bullshit with these softest of claims goes away. All across the board.
4.) Tierce or someone else does a proper full out VCA and looks at it in detail.
5.) You promise me that if we start moving towards endgame Glork isn't there. Call it official paranoia.

Despite the bad end results I think KKB is town. I can follow the process even if the end result is bonkers.
I dont think its definitive that Hindu will die and even if he doesn't Hindu is town.

There is absolutely nothing about my role that would have interfered with not one but two attempts to do something to me. Unless someone wants to fess up with interference I'm calling nonsense from at least one of those.

Also, to make this even easier, I'm pretty sure under any realm of normalcy with the SKUM LIST I'm probably not on it. So, get it done.

[SpyreX]

Dup was very, very town fyi.

Part of the reason that tracker claim is nonsense.

[SpyreX]

In what universe does a tracker go WELL LETS TRACK DAT with everything going on D1? Hell, that could have confirmed MoI or a million things.

And me N2? With ~mysterious results~? No.

[SpyreX]

(He's probably not a tracker at all)
(Those "results" are easy enough to fake and no one is going to be able to counter them)

[SpyreX]

Ohh and:

i was thinking this too, but surely scums not retarded enough to nk him this soon??

If you assume UN is full of crap and he was the dayvig - you damn right since he is the ender of worlds.

[SpyreX]

Only thing with that is, in general, the scum don't get shrunk hard enough for that to be a factor against SK or Vig. Because they're one in the same balance sense as far as scumsize.

[SpyreX]

HAHA TOO SLOW

I'm Lethe. The stupid cat.

In a world with dragons, powerful wizards, sweet ass centaur knights, and millions of versions of badassery I am a stupid, stupid cat.

Meow

ALSO YOU READY FOR THIS SUCKERS

I'm vanilla.

Carry on. Remember what I said a page or so ago. ACTUALLY DO THOSE THINGS.

Thank you for setting me free.

@Hindu:

I was going to mention this but it wasn't this game directly that meant it was time for a break. However, this one is really being the poster child for it. So, freedom.

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P-Edits: Its obvious that either I was screwed with by scum (town would have said something) or this is at least in part a smoke and mirrors. Regardless considering the nature of the tracker claims and nation cop = nik is town I want them both dead.

[SpyreX]

Please explain how a "no result" on SpyreX on N2 is a functional guilty.

Its not and the jumping to me scum instead of confirming each other is well, woooosh.

Considering it MAY be me being screwed with and its 2v1 its only gonna make sense to lynch me

So.

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P-Edit:

Actually more than once I alluded to having powers because I was hoping to get killed in the head.

NOPE

[SpyreX]

Its all good I'm ok with it.

I hope you're ok with me not wanting you at endgame because you're makin me paranoid but I <3 anyways Glorky.

[SpyreX]

Just do it.

Dont pretend I'm actually scum though.

[SpyreX]

I thought the cats were just nomads, jeesh. Just part of the army.

I'm already dead and I AM SAYING TO LYNCH ME and you know I'm gonna flip town so not sure what you're paddin for?

[SpyreX]

1.) Yes, I am. I am the right lynch now. This is an absolute and not a bad thing (unless I was somehow scum-???'d and they both are just drunk on crazy) and even then its ok.
2.) Thats fine but sheesh.
3.) I am and thats fine.
4.) All hearts are safe with the smooth silky embrace of a kitty.

Meow.

If you are under the assumption that they are town, that means I was super popular. Thats at least 4 targets on me then yess!

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Yea, the leader of the KITTIES. Sheesh. Lethe is, from what I remember, a high up kitty. And to me of no nation that whole other business made sense *shrug*

If there was a deadline I'd self-vote sure. As it sits considering even with two people going AURHEIORHO about this the fact of the matter is this'll be a fun wagon to watch build up.

[SpyreX]

Well I AM an alien horror but that has nothing to do with anything.

I'll try to actually give some thoughts too as they spring to mind.

Like GI is town in every situation except Oman also being scum. Then I'd be paranoid some because of everything else in his play aside from the Nexus bomb.

[SpyreX]

Let him scramble with that tomorrow. It'll be fun to read in the sleeping thread.

And I can't help thinking how similar this was to SpyreX's D2 in Backroom, where he was scum caught by association with dead scum. But... it might also be town going "okay, fine, there's false results on me, proper play is still to lynch me".

Well either I'm town saying its the right move or I'm scum playing on the mercy of this town AND claiming VT instead of secret shoemaker mk 3 which would have got me 5 days more probably.

Either way BETTER GET THAT JERK

[SpyreX]

<3

I'll take that as flattering. Although I honestly didn't think I was THAT hard to read.

[SpyreX]

TO BE FAIR ASOIAF played to my strength as scum. If there wasn't a cult I would have been in much worse.

Bringing that up does illustrate my still irksome issue with MoI's ~meta~ because you can't think that game and this game's play is the same.

Ahh memory lane. I've pulled some shenanigans as scum. Meeeemories

[SpyreX]

SCUM FLAIL CAUGHT OOOUU

I want to be lynched today I'll answer whatever you'd like until I am. But I can deinvest and just reminisce.

[SpyreX]

I love it how Spyre starts to heavily hint he's scum when he knows he's caught because he cant resist it.

So much <3

I want at minimum a haiku if not a full song singing an apology tomorrow mr.

[SpyreX]

I'm Lethe. Stupid vanilla cat. I could have been a dragon. BUT NOO

Ok here's a quick from the gut set since my scum reads have evaporated and/or protected by roles and I'm kinda in the mix:

1. Alchemist (as an alt of Timeater) - Town.
2. Teleporting Speed Hippos (AurorusVox + PeregrineV hydra) - Ehh. I couldn't tell you one definitive thing about them which means death by proxy.
3. Debonair Danny DiPietro - Town.
4. kanyeknowsbest replacing dramonic D2 - Town. Sillyhats but town.
6. Gammagooey - Town.
7. Glork - Paranoid all over but probably town. Not for endgame though see paranoia.
8. Benmage replacing Avenging Angel N2 replacing Haze N1 - Kill this slot.
9. Hinduragi - Town.
11. Katsuki - Kill this slot.
12. Lady Lambdadelta - As you'll see kill this slot. I still dont like and would love to see the Nik explanation.
13. Magister Ludi - I still say town trying way too hard.
14. MaguaofIllusion (MagnaofIllusion + Magua hydra) - Ignore this slot forever. Town.
17. Nikanor - LLD scum kill this slot.
18. Rhinox replacing Oman N2 - Kill this slot. If scum kill GI.
21. GreyICE replacing Shinori D1 - See above. If Oman town GI town++
22. singersigner - Town. I wish she'd get involved but I understand.
24. Tammy - This, mark my words, is gonna be a hijinks later.
25. Tierce - Town.
26. ToastyToast - Town although he'd be up there on the "new kill slots" if all the kill slots are dead.
27. UberNinja - Scum. SCUM SCUM SCUM. Now I know this makes little sense over LLD considerin the "confirmation" of UN but its too much of a coincidence.
29. danakillsu replacing Zdenek D1 - Towoownnn but see MoI.

Also later, in the later times, when someone claims to have screwed today up for me and didn't come out today kill them with impunity.

Until I'm dead I'll answer stuff but I'm not votin myself. Thats just uncouth.

[SpyreX]

Also for the love of God unless its fun and game pages like this the days need to go faster.

[SpyreX]

Baby steps.

I mean it's only gonna take 20 pages for CONFIRMED SCUM OMG LYNCH.

(If they dont get killed I'm seriously)

[SpyreX]

I don't care if he has fire and hatred for my slot, this feels really wrong. I've been calling him town all game.

VOTE: Spyrex

When you post like this its fine.

I know its been said with more heat than I can give or you probably warrant but the whole fuck off vibe isn't fun for anyone. Even if it wins games (and it doesn't in and of itself) it loses the greater picture.

Remember its a fun game and have fun and

try to be part of everyone else having fun.

Hell look at this even if its wrong this wagon has the most reason to go through of any wagon we'll see all game and almost everyone is sad about it.

That says something and warms my cockles.

Which is hilarious considering its me being lynched.

[SpyreX]

I have a problem with it because you are effectively playing against your wincon. You're giving up. Bleh!

Not at all.

This is a solid net and I haven't been on the top of my game. Me taking rope NOW and forcing the hands of those slots that drove this through on ~role information~ is a good thing.

Much better than fighting over it over and over and it coming up at end game. Especially when I'm vanilla and probably not listed (although that doesn't matter see above)

Long term, young padawan.

[SpyreX]

given that though I do think that this is more likely spy-scum than not because he would aabsolutely do this as scum too so *shrugs*

Also want a song from you too.

Hell, it should be We are the World tomorrow. A masterpiece.

[SpyreX]

*is very sad spyrex is dying over half the

trash

in this game*

This is part of me taking a break from games (and I'm not picking on you but this is an example).

We need to get back to killing each other like civilized folk. We lost that somewhere along the way.

I know we all have those games but it really seems like overall its happening more and more.

And I dont know why.

[SpyreX]

Its more an underlying tone.

I mean most of us have had at least one snap this game. Some are making it way too much the modus operandi.

I dont understand it. When the blood is let out and the curtain raised we're all bros and broettes so why the hate. Especially when it leaks out and seems like REAL HATE versus game shenanigan hate (see Fate who is the king of rage that you know isn't serious).

[SpyreX]

Some people on death row get food. I get speeches.

I don't know if this is the time or place, but I don't care and I agree. Yes, me using 'trash' may be conceived as harsh by some. I stand by it. the amount of vitriol and inane nonsense people spew at each other, shouting out obscenities, caps, nonsense, hate, ignoring, etc, is very overwhelming.

I know 100% where you're comin from. The problem is you can't feed the blob to fight it.

In my games, especially early, I had those hate filled games and someone (I can't remember who) said it felt personal. I felt like a huge dick and since that point I've really, really tried (even if I'm not always successful) to take that step back and make sure I remember the people playing are people outside the game.

We've all had those ones where you want to strangle someone for doing something dumb. The trick is being able to tell them you want to strangle them without turning into "I think you, the player, are stupid and dumb".

The latter happens way too often.

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Guilty as charged.

Honest to goodness, I've been working on it.

You've done it a little bit but overall you're not one of the ones I think of as the hate brigade. Hell, I'm in the SCREAMING DEATH CLAN but its not ever supposed to be like that. DEATH sure but HATE? Ehh.

[SpyreX]

If me getting lynched brings a little warmth and fuzziness to this game I 100% win.

<3.

[SpyreX]

Yes this isn't DONT LYNCH ME TIME.

This is just chattin hour.

[SpyreX]

Will miss you dearly while on hiatus.

FYI I'll still be on site and probably finishing my games I'm trying to get ready to play, helping backside, etc, etc.

Just not playin fer a bit.

[SpyreX]

You're not allowed to take part in the song tomorrow.

You can sit and listen to the frolicking but thats it.

[SpyreX]

Or I was screwed with by not town which makes about as much sense with everything else.

[SpyreX]

Well that was a whole bunch of bad pages with some nuggets inside.

I am absolutely 100% fine with being the lynch today with the caveat that after that is done and I'm set free:

1.) UN dies.

2.) LLD dies.

3.) EVERY BIT of this cloak and dagger bullshit with these softest of claims goes away. All across the board.
4.) Tierce or someone else does a proper full out VCA and looks at it in detail.
5.) You promise me that if we start moving towards endgame Glork isn't there. Call it official paranoia.

Despite the bad end results I think KKB is town. I can follow the process even if the end result is bonkers.
I dont think its definitive that Hindu will die and even if he doesn't Hindu is town.

There is absolutely nothing about my role that would have interfered with not one but two attempts to do something to me. Unless someone wants to fess up with interference I'm calling nonsense from at least one of those.

Also, to make this even easier, I'm pretty sure under any realm of normalcy with the SKUM LIST I'm probably not on it. So, get it done.

Its all I wanted

It wasn't much.

[SpyreX]

That's the one that will always make my head hurt:

DDD was clearly town.

I know I didn't have a great game and voices of the dead etc, etc but DDD getting lynched over LLD will not ever make sense to me.

[SpyreX]

If you can point to something to show me how, than by all means do so because I can look for it in the future. But, in a DDD vs. LLD thing, LLD came off as more town. Maybe I'm just more used to LLD or like her playing style more.

The thing is when its down to LLD vs DDD you have to look at the way before.

Namely the early game - D2 DDD's interaction with me absolutely not only reaffirmed he was telling the truth about his role but the method of interaction was so blindingly town it hurts in retrospect: scum could have curbed me or left me alone, town was trying to inch me to the right direction without screaming I AM A COP YO.

I said over and over DDD was going to be a town lynch because I was that sure of it. Moreso than any other player alive.

LLD's early game? Not so much.

The biggest kudos scumside was GI - he blindsided me early and I applaud him for that.

This game was just one of those games. Wasn't fun at all. In the end, I think that's a big part of why we lost too. EVERYONE kept raging, over and over and over and over. It's not even BaM-type rage or any such sort. It's just rage. And that really detracted from the game as a whole.

Hey now its SDC rage, not BaM rage.

But, yes, this is absolutely true. The rage has to kick down a few notches in general.

[SpyreX]

DDD

You still my bro <3

And I actually now looked at the error because I'm slow and saw that in classic silliness it was only me who had nationhate.

HUZZAH