Mafia Behind the Maiden (Game over!)

[Nikanor]

Meow

Meow meow trill meow
meeeeow

Vote: UberNinja.

[Nikanor]

Nikanor thats scummy as fuck. Its like OS just fucking summoned you with toast magic.

FoS: Alchemist.

[Nikanor]

Ludi do you want to lynch Alchymust with me? It'll be fun.

[Nikanor]

Nikanor's opening posts in the game are absolute fucking garbage. Re: Opening vote on UN, the easy target. Meow meow meow for his sig. A bunch of blank nothing from a player who can do more. Re: FoS Alchemist because he's mad/reataliating; a dumb post. Re: Question to Ludi to add to the FoS. A summation of his posts: Vote: Easylynch, FoS:for fun, blank, blank, blank, blank.

I voted UberNinja for his earlier posts (p68 in particular). I actually find LLD slightly scummy for her posts re: UN, especially p209.

As for Alchemist... have you read his posts? Go through his iso, ignoring the picture (glorified iioa btw), and tell me how you don't find him scummy.

I was going to hold off on switching my votes for a bit to avoid the whole "he's switching his vote because he's getting flak for it!" bullshit that's inevitably going to erupt from

somebody

's mouth before I realised that I don't give a fuck.
Mentioning this means that nobody's going to use it against me right right?

Unvote. Vote: Alchemist.

[Nikanor]

Oh.
That's the amount of dead people, it's for the Eternal War mechanic.
Or it's very similar to the giant blue number in the corner of the ETERNAL WAR map in the game that increases everytime someone dies.
Technically once we've killed enough people we're gonna go into total chaos, Ashera is gonna awaken and we're gonna all make peace to go whoop her ass.
But that's probably not what's gonna happen here.
But yeah, it's PROBABLY a corpse counter.

Actually, I thought something similar, but more related to the Micaiah win condition of eliminating certain roles, to at least help us know how many of the 'special roles' scum have eliminated.

Not much point to that other than to cause anxiety (which may be what Vi wants).
I'm sure it'll make sense once we have Mass Outrage explained.

Another thing I wanted to mention is that the scum probably have one or two fakeclaims that could be considered targets. Kurthnaga and Skrimir come to mind.
Probably going to take shit for saying this but we shouldn't write off a lynch just because somebody claims Tibarn or something.

[Nikanor]

Skrimir then. Been a while since I've played, but you get the point.

[Nikanor]

Nik I HAVE TO METNION

Ehh its all good. Although I'm still pretty damn sure alch is town.

I'm here and kinda bored. What were you going to say?

[Nikanor]

Spy: You should jump on the Alch wagon.
Actually, can you tell me why you think he's town?

[Nikanor]

You're not gonna like it so I'd rather not start that whole diatribe.

If you REALLY need it sure but lets not for now and just call it informed gut.

But I'm a daycop and got a guilty on Al- nvm.

Suspects, aside from UN and Tammy?

[Nikanor]

his post on toasty is decent though. there's probably someone better to vote right now but that isn't happening til tomorrow.

I think I can think of somebody who needs more votes.
Hint1: His name starts with an A and rhymes with "talcum mist".
Hint2: It isn't Tammy, so don't vote her.

[Nikanor]

1. nikanor only posts when mentioned (which hints at tactical lurking) and comes out of the blue with weak RVS shit nobody cares about. throw in the predatory omgus/semi-buddying on ludi and you have a decent chance of scum

Predatory OMGUS? Semi-buddying? lol. Anybody who tries to use these tells seriously is scum, regardless of alignment.
Point 1: The game had been open for about 18 hours(?) when I first posted. I posted as soon as I was able; the fact that I was mentioned on that page is a coincidence. The fact that you're trying to pass that off as a scumtell means you lack either a brain or a town role PM. I'm leaning toward the latter. Consider it a compliment.
Point 2: I've posted that I had a reason for voting UberNinja, meaning my vote was neither random nor part of the RVS. But of course, you don't care about that, you only care about scrounging up whatever you can to me look scummy, so you're still saying that my vote was a part of the RVS.

3. spyre is the type of player that can explain anything away given enough time. the fact that he felt the need to elaborately explain his actions given the specific set of circumstances that led up to that post, and his subsequent reactions (he really had to think about that <3 post, he was spam posting like a mo'fucka before it) lead me to believe he's probably scum given how it does not fit in with his general off-the-cuff style he demonstrated at the beginning of the thread and continues to demonstrate.

More of this trying to make other people look scummy crap. This line is bullshit.

I don't know why people think that Alchemist is town. I'm trying my best to apply Hanlon's Razor to everything he posts, but it just doesn't work.
More in a few hundred seconds.

[Nikanor]

ML's initial reaction to just FoS Alcheater is pretty scummy and unnecessary. Its pretty forced for so relatively early in a large game to use FoS, but it makes sense as a scum who needs to set-up multiple lynches down the line and is quite happy with is current vote on a juicy mislynch-Tammy (you're wrong SpyreX and Glork and you should feel bad.)

I usually find "why am I town" posts scummy, but,
Why point out Ludi's FoS and not my own?

I could see Dupliscum.

Glork, this is what Timeater is like as town. Read 1 or 2 of your games and you'll notice so.

Didn't you JUST say that Tim is read as town as either alignment when playing by his old meta?

Toasty's probtown. I think that, as scum, he'd attack two of the strongest wagons and then throw in an oddball (singer, Haze or me, for example) to make it look like he actually has opinions that stand out from everyone else's, while still being lazy and exclusively attacking the two strong wagons he mentioned.

[Nikanor]

Oversoul, do you have flavour knowledge?

[Nikanor]

I feel that Oversoul is town. If he were scum, I think he'd fakedaykill someone who has a lot more negative attention (Toasty, for example) than Tierce has. The fact that he chose Tierce tells me that he genuinely finds Tierce scummy (which is something that I can believe, as should everyone who was voting Tierce at the beginning of the game).
However, there's something else that bugs me about Oversoul; it's not too important but I'll bring it up if I ever start finding him scummy.

I also think that Katsuki is town. Kats doesn't like playing scum. I really,

really

don't think he'd start playing after Vi had already started looking for a replacement if he had received a scum role PM.

dramonic is pretty obvtown so idk why he's getting votes? Like I didn't realise it was possible for people to find dram scummy in this particular game but eh.

Anyway Grey's vote on Katsuki is pretty awful. I still want to see Alc dead but that's never going to happen so.

Unvote. Vote: GreyICE.

[Nikanor]

Can someone explain all of the sudden dram-hate? I am seriously not getting it.

[Nikanor]

I *think* it has something to do with him voting Oversoul after the gambit made him conftown to most everyone.

I'm voting the person I believe is the most pro-scum in this game.
They better have a better reason to vote me.

How is what Oversoul did pro-scum? Here, I'll spell it out nice and clear.

Scum motivation for 'killing' Tierce:
-Possibly get to know Tierce's full role (but see below)

Scum motivation for 'killing' non-Tierce:
-Possibly get to know a player's role name ("gj idiot, you just killed Elincia"), which is at least as important to scum as knowing full roles, and a chance of outing a player's full role.
-Gain town cred for clearing up one of the town's more neutral players (UberNinja would be a good target for this).
-'Kill' a scumbuddy so that the scumbuddy can go "awww I was town I am so angry lol" and get free town cred.

There's not really any scum motivation for fakedaykilling Tierce over half of the other players in this game. That is why voting for him is silly and why we should be lynching someone else today.

[Nikanor]

Nikanor what do you make of OS's piss-poor backpedaling after his supposed Tierce daykill? Does that read like gambit or reaction fishing to you?

Shitty town gambit, followed by the realization that he's done something stupid, followed by apologies.

[Nikanor]

Hold it.

Nikanor, where did you get the impression that Katsuki hates playing scum?

GoofBash.
Although that may have been more a factor of him always getting lynched d1 at GoofBash. >_>
Oh and the game where he was mod-confirmed scum d1. Good times.

[Nikanor]

afk GW2 weekend

[Nikanor]

I have to read this don't I.
fffff

What happened to the GreyICE wagon? What is this green thing above my head, Alc, and why does it matter?

[Nikanor]

Hey guys who should I vote.
Totally sheeping the next guy who posts.

[Nikanor]

what a dilemma
to sheep someone i think is scum or to break my promises
it's a tough decision because i'm usually such an honest and honourable person.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
not gonna tryhard
just gonna go with the flow
for today at least
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Vote: Katsuki.

[Nikanor]

I explained very clearly that Oversoul was town but nobody ever listens.

Whatever I guess I'm ready for the day to end.

Vote: MaguaofIllusion.

[Nikanor]

I explained very clearly that Oversoul was town but nobody ever listens.

Whatever I guess I'm ready for the day to end.

Vote: MaguaofIllusion.

this goes beyond simple laziness and pretty obviously into opportunistic scum territory

I'm fairly obviously town to anyone who knows how to scumhunt. I'm sorry that you do not fit this description.

MoI: I'd like a full name claim, please. Since you're claiming that your ability will only work on 'eligible' targets, to not claim your role name leaves too much wriggle-room for fakeclaiming later.

[Nikanor]

How do you know that I think

I dont

ftfy

MoI: Target me tonight, tia.

Unvote. Vote: implosion.

Weak play, has done essentially nothing all game. Also a couple of small meta-related things that I'm just noticing now after going over implosion's iso. I can elaborate if such is desired by someone who isn't Alchemist.

P-Edit: I think that Ludi's analysis is just the sign of someone who likes numbers more than the sign of scum.

[Nikanor]

I really don't think MoI name claiming is a good idea (or name claiming in general). His claim is pretty powerful, its going to be proved one way or the other, and revealing if he is on the 'hit list' or not doesn't help town.

The thing is, he can tailor his claim later based on what other people claim.
I'm realising now that it's a problem we can deal with later, though, if MoI ends up not proving his claim.

[Nikanor]

Also a couple of small meta-related things that I'm just noticing now after going over implosion's iso. I can elaborate if such is desired by someone who isn't Alchemist.

Can't hurt, right?

Mainly just him calling Toasty 'scummy' instead of 'scum' in iso2, and him calling Toasty out directly after giving him advice that would only pertain to town, as well as him using many grey-words ('meh','bleugh', etc.) instead of black/white-words.
Basically, his posts are just really weak and many do not provide any real opinions. This is not what I have come to expect from implosion.

[Nikanor]

Hindu, weren't you supposed to find me suspicious? Why are you being so amiable?

[Nikanor]

WHAT

[Nikanor]

So you did. OKAY this is embarrassing.

[Nikanor]

By 'weak play,' I mean 'weak wording.' Saying, "Toasty is scummy," instead of, "Toasty is scum," is a good example.

And yes, I believe I've done significantly more.

[Nikanor]

You know, if certain players aren't going to be nameclaiming, why don't we just forgo nameclaiming entirely? I mean, it's not like scum are going to not have flavoured fakeclaims anyway. We could all just say "I'm from <country> and can <abilities>" and not lose any information.

P.S. Don't really think that Quil is scum; early vanilla claim is not really scummy at all. implosion makes for a better lynch.

[Nikanor]

When are people going to realize that lynching people that you don't really think are scum is the way games are lost? If you're not going to try to lynch scum, why the hell are you even playing?

[Nikanor]

so dumb. I go away for an hour or two and Quil gets lynched.

I told Quilford to fakeclaim VT because I thought it would stop his lynch. We're actually daytalking lover masons. If I'd known that this was going to happen, I'd have just told him to trueclaim. :I

Whatever, I'm done with this game anyway. Lynch implosion tomorrow and Wyrd the day after, tia.

[Nikanor]

Yeah, I strongly doubt it. You'd have to be captain dumbfuck of the dumbfuck brigade.

Gonna laugh at you tomorrow nikky.

This coming from the guy who called me the dumbest town player in mafia history.

[Nikanor]

Tierce you are no fun at all.

[Nikanor]

lol alc.

I used to hate reading your posts but now I find them hilarious.

[Nikanor]

I'm here. I'll read the thread later tonight; we're off to the zoo soonish.

[Nikanor]

You'd have to be pretty damned Bad at Mafia to actually think I'm scum this game.

Now back to your regularly scheduled lurking.

[Nikanor]

you're a piece of shit

lol

[Nikanor]

is it within nik's meta to be trollmaster

sigged

[Nikanor]

So why would UN-town ever post this?

He probably forgot that part of the town wincon. I was also considering the possibility of an SK before you said something.

[Nikanor]

Man, I've actually no idea on whom I'd like to vote.

Oh wait I just read TSH's iso and his first few posts are absolutely terrible, especially the vote on Toasty for missing a guy's posts and the vote on ML for 'hypocrisy'. Quote below.

I already think ML is scum from before my holiday when he used the word "odd" after calling someone out for using the word "odd". That's been solidified by his claim that Pere only put ML in the FoS list because he's been "pressuring us," when if anything he's only on us because I called him out earlier in the game. Then there's his latest post which YUCK.

That first sentence is just rank with the scent of fake scumhunting. TSH sees something that he can pass off as hypocrisy and jumps on it without hesitation. Scummy scummy scum scum.

Vote: Teleporting Speed Hippos.

No opinion on Nexus, other than to say that we /probably/ shouldn't be lynching the claimed Ike. While Vi is the type of person who would put Ike in as a fakeclaim, I think the likelihood of this is low when there is already a game mechanic that discourages roles like Ike from claiming their names.
Also, Vi hates cops, not doctors, but Vi has still used cops in her games in the past.

[Nikanor]

Oman is going to be replaced. I thought of voting for him too but he hasn't posted in 5+ days so I'm just waiting on a replacement.

[Nikanor]

You can vote for TSH.

[Nikanor]

do i have enough towncred to buy a bandwagon hop?

Unvote. Vote: Nexus.

let's find out.

[Nikanor]

Wait did I actually say that

[Nikanor]

well fuck now what do i do

nobody wants to lynch the guy I want to lynch.

The Oman wagon has built up too quickly to be on scum imo.

[Nikanor]

Like I have no fucking clue why nobody wants to lynch the Hippos. Do people actually think he is town?

[Nikanor]

Yeah and if TSH is scum it means that, depending on the number of scum, either half or less than half of Shmugen's buddies were last on the Toasty wagon when he jumped on. Three scum in a row really isn't a lot in a 29 player game.

Someone please explain how the Oman wagon has "built up too quickly" when it's at fucking L-6 and was started at the beginning of D2. I'd love to hear this.

I thought it just started now
My IQ is like 70 okay give me a break.

[Nikanor]

Whatever I guess we don't even have a choice anyway because there's no way that Vi is getting two replacements in a 100 page game.

Unvote. Vote: Oman.

[Nikanor]

Unvote. Vote: Nexus.

NOW can I do this?

[Nikanor]

Vote: Debonair Danny DiPietro.

This is our lynch for today. Speedwagon please and thanks.

[Nikanor]

So for me Nikanor, your boyfriend for a day, will you please explain: why the DDD quickwagon?
Maybe I'm dense, maybe it's something totally fucking obvious, but I have no idea what this is.
I wanna try to get back into the game, and you helping me out will help me out a lot. Helpfully.

Only if you hold my hand. <3

Also what Glork said.

[Nikanor]

By the way I'm 95% sure that Duplicity was our bluenumber-vig (had the medallion in kill flavour + Ashera's groupie in source flavour). If you don't know the source material, just take my word for it I guess?

[Nikanor]

I'm pretty sure that you're the only one who thinks that there is even a remote possibility that Nexus was both Ike (town) and Tarhalindur (mafia).

[Nikanor]

I'm pretty sure that singer is town; not because of the self-vote or the insistence that she hammer Nexus, but because of this:

Don't forget to read the third post a little more thoroughly... >_>

Also, I don't like how Nexus changed his claim to something several other people have brought up to make more sense.

I'd also like to know why he thought MoI was a much stronger hydra to try and protect than Wyrd since obviously (no, not just hindsight bias), that's not true.

Settle the fuck down and actually read what I said. I claimed that I am able to protect people. You jumped to the conclusion that meant doctor.

I personally would prefer Magua in the game to Fate/Nuwen. Also, Wyrd hadn't done a great deal D1. At least MoI was making an effort. Plus I just plain don't like Fate/Nuwen. Obviously I made a mistake.

Doesn't much look like Nexus was talking to a scumbuddy here.

Anyway I'm gonna get you that *reasoning* Uber. I just need a little while to figure out exactly why I find DDD scummy. >_>

@Vi: Was Nexus's first flip a joke, or was it something related to his role?

Easy as that, Alc.

[Nikanor]

???

I'm not implying anything. I just really think that DDD is scum.

[Nikanor]

Hindu, I've changed my mind on TSH. As soon as he claimed, he became obvtown to me. My reasoning yesterday was that there was no way he'd do that as scum to get a mislynch on Nexus when most people have a town read on him and a scum read on Nexus. Didn't see the point in saying this in-thread because I thought it was fairly obvious that TSH was town because of that claim, but I guess it wasn't!

[Nikanor]

Checking in before the night phase to say that I haven't read anything this whole game day.

I'll have plenty of thyme to catch up soon I suppose.

[Nikanor]

For the record, Meg is a Crimean in the DRA, and Aran may be considered a soldier of Begnion, although he was born in Daein, so nobody is really cleared.

Not that it makes Grey any less likely to be scum than he was before, so I'm fine with lynching him.

[Nikanor]

i dunno shit abt fire emblem so flavor question: do we think there is any followup to this petrification scum can pull on glork? ie finaly fantasy petrify -> break?

Nope. In the game, the target of Glare gets bonus defense for being a brick.

[Nikanor]

My thought is that GI is Nailah and wanted to use his one-shot glare before dying.

[Nikanor]

Alc, are you a day neighbor with Glork or something?

[Nikanor]

Is the answer to that supposed to be obvious or something? >_>

I've skimmed a lot to catch up so I might've missed a claim.

[Nikanor]

That's more of a "where the fuck did that just come from and why" than anything else. Sure, ANYONE could be neighbors with Glork because of his role, but that is really specific and weird.

Yeah, I'm kind of a weird guy.

Anyway I asked because of this

Looks like Glork cant post for the day. I dont think he's dead.

FIVE MINUTES from the time when Glork was petrified. It's kind of strange to say this when Vi says nothing about Glork being unable to post.

[Nikanor]

ok

[Nikanor]

LLD, exactly what result did you get last night?

[Nikanor]

nah, see if he looks like hes okay with being lynched hard enough well be forced to see that hes town. please remember that benmage is VERY good at this game.

lol?

[Nikanor]

Town

1. Alchemist (don't think he'd bus GI, but he's on the bottom of my town list)
2. Teleporting Speed Hippos (counterclaim on Nexus)
4. kanyeknowsbest (dramonic's play)
6. Gammagooey (Crimean result means nothing; town from play)
7. Glork (GI targeted him)
11. Katsuki (Gallian)
17. Nikanor (play)
22. singersigner (play)
24. Tammy (play)
25. Tierce (play)
26. ToastyToast (play, counterclaim on Alc)
29. danakillsu (mason)

Can be lynched

3. Debonair Danny DiPietro (no town read)
8. Benmage (no town read, roleblocked)
9. Hinduragi (is Hindu confirmed by something? I can't really remember. If not, he's next on my lynch list after Benmage.)
12. Lady Lambdadelta (least likely to be scum on this list, but her play on d2 (repeating "omg nikanor is town whyyyy" over and over) gives me bad feelings.)
13. Magister Ludi (no town read)
18. Rhinox (no town read)

Probably missed some stuff, having not read any of the pages posted when I was at SoL. Really waiting on that night action matrix from Tierce.

[Nikanor]

Why can't toasty be scum? The alchemist block was on toasty, and toasty claims to have blocked benmage town.

For this reason, I think that Toasty is scum.

Also keep in mind that GreyICE, one who was not above suspicion, made the kill on n4. This means that our last one/two scum probably isn't included in our list of 'confirmed town,' because in that case, that person would have made the kill instead of Grey. Using this logic, we can clear people like Gammagooey, who definitely would have sent in the kill instead of GreyICE if he were scum.
This also plays into my theory of Toasty-scum.

[Nikanor]

Oh, I thought you were saying all Crimean were town and I can name at least 1 Crimean who is Branded.

Never mind then. (Bonus points if you guess who I'm thinking of Tierce~)

Which Crimean is Branded and fights for Daein? I cannot think of any.

[Nikanor]

Wasn't dana a mason?

[Nikanor]

hey tammy you should post more words that nobody will read

[Nikanor]

Night 3 - MoI killed - They had already claimed to be a country leader and were masons
Night 4 - No kill - GreyIce was blocked
Night 5 - No kill - Toasty was blocked and I left
Night 6 - Alchemist killed who was Empress Sanaki.

If the reason for the kill being stopped on N5 was you leaving, scum would know that you left that night. Unless for SOME REASON scum decided that they wanted to waste a kill on you without killing you the next night while they had the chance, it means that you weren't the reason for the missing kill on n5.
This leaves, again, Toasty, Glork, and a scum no-kill as the only possible reasons for the lack of kill on n5.

Why aren't we lynching Toasty?

[Nikanor]

What, really? I was thinking it was just like a normal commuter that allowed day commuting.
I'm gonna stop posting now.

[Nikanor]

Vote: DDD.

Hindu on a scale of 1-10 how disappointed are you going to be at the end of the game when you see that I'm town?
I'm hoping for like an 8 at least.

[Nikanor]

Please end the Day, someone, anyone. I need the 48h break we're going to get to be able to continue tolerating this.

You could just hammer DDD.