The game of the year: town won!

[TheTrollie]

This game is already hard enough to follow, gotta get rid of spammers. Posting is happening faster than I can read.

VOTE: redFF [/unvote]

[TheTrollie]

woops... that wasn't right:

VOTE: redFF

[TheTrollie]

BB is also high on my scum list:

The mislynch thing was obviously sarcastic, and the scum/town thing I was just not paying attention. Don't see what's so slippy (slippery?) about that.

There are 49 god damned people in this game

Are we really going to take our time with each lynch

If I wasn't an extremely important role I'd advocate my own lynch to get things moving.

Wagon time folks.

VOTE: Milk

Vote Chesskid

Hammer :p

little reasoning, trying to get people to cast votes without putting much thought into them & trying to get us off his back with the power role claim. He's looking pretty scummy to me.

p-edit: matt beat me to this it seems. well, i agree.

[TheTrollie]

BB is also high on my scum list:

bbmolla is scummy to you but you're lynching redff for being a "spammer"

yes...my scum list is nowhere near strong enough yet to vote based on my weak scum reads. spammers cloud our ability to make scum reads, i want them out first

[TheTrollie]

but you post a giant-ass case on bbmolla

yeah gonna toot my own horn here

VOTE: thetrollie

with the number of lynches we have today i have every right to go after more than one person

[TheTrollie]

Vote: Mini Librarian

Posts #38 and #39 say it all for me.

Rhinox is town. Hoopla is, Fritz is, Syndrome is...NINJA'd, Spyrex is...

Izak is also scum. Opportunisitic like MiniLib. Should be lynched next.

I want a protown voting block of doom by the end of the day.

this seems to be asking for a voting block to be made by someone who people think is pretty town.

Okay. Needs to die by lynch...
UberNinja
Izak
Petapan

Vote: UberNinja

Needs to die by other means
IceGuy

Town voting block
Me
Spyrex
Rhinox
Amrun
Chevre
errr...I need to go back and check all that. I should make notes.

Okay I went back and found my protown reads.

Town Death Squad

Me
Rhinox
Syndromeofadown
SpyreX
Chevre
Amrun
Chronopie
callforjudgement
Kinda like Hoopla, Nobody Special, imaginality...so we'll add them to the list anyway

now you swoop in and make your own block.

RedFF hasn't been spamming so I am getting off that wagon

UNVOTE: RedFF

and hopping on this one:

VOTE: T-Bone

[TheTrollie]

lots to read up on...still like my T-bone vote. Waiting till he is back from V/LA to respond to these questions

[TheTrollie]

Trollie's

Post #273 he quotes a bunch of BBmolla and says he's scummy.

BB is also high on my scum list:

bbmolla is scummy to you but you're lynching redff for being a "spammer"

yes...my scum list is nowhere near strong enough yet to vote based on my weak scum reads. spammers cloud our ability to make scum reads, i want them out first

But there's this. BBmolla is stronger scumread than RedFF but he wants to policy lynch RedFF anyway. (he voted him in another post) I can respect him not voting anyone if he says "I'm not confident in my reads yet" but no, he has a vote on RedFF, which isn't explained much.

But in post #567 he throws out any notion of BBmolla, and votes me because...and this is the kicker, he quotes a post where I ask for a voting block to be formed, and then quotes another post where I propose a voting block. What have I done here exactly to earn your vote anyway Trollie? It seems like you spent more time forming a read on BBmolla than me. Oh, hey trollie, what about BBmolla?

lots to read up on...still like my T-bone vote. Waiting till he is back from V/LA to respond to these questions

I'm sorry, what questions? The questions you DIDN'T ask?

Trollie has no redeeming qualities. Luffy is one, I think Trollie is also one of the scum on my wagon.

Oh hey UberNinja, thanks for coming in and continuing not to scumhunt. I appreciate the effort. You're on my wagon too right? Good I got time for one more ISO, and since you have no content to speak of, it shouldn't take long.

the questions i was referring to were the ones brought up by other people not my own.

I have already explained my voting pattern. there were several hundred posts between my vote on Red and my vote on you. I explained why I was dropping off the red wagon. you are pretending that didn't happen.

VOTE: T-Bone

[TheTrollie]

Here's an idea: We lynch the first 40 people on the list, no questions asked, and then the remaining 10 scumhunt it out amongst themselves. In all likelihood, getting rid of 80% of the players that quickly will do wonders to get rid of the scum. Unless a large amount of scum are in the last 10 on the list. It could be any of the blocks of 10 players, I don't give a fuck.

not sure if this is a real suggestion, seems very dumb to me.

Why the HELL are people

justifying votes on other people

with "Keeping my word" and "I keep my promises"?

It's a fucking

50-player game

and I'll be damned if you need to justify

anything

on Day 1.

FOS on Fritzler and Fluffy. Fuckin fucks.

the justifications quoted are not justifications at all, then you criticize them for not having justifications

UberNinja is probably not scum.

and

how the hell

do you know that?

(1) why are you asking about this (2) very aggressive (aggressive a lot in this game. does ayone who has played with UN before have something to say about if this level of aggression is normal?)

In other news: UN is now scummy.

then lynch me, bastard

Verry aggressive defense. very scummy

Re the izak wagon: you're wagoning him for his meta. This doesn't mean that he isn't scum; it just means that what he's done so far isn't a scumtell for him, it's null. (I seem to remember him doing something incredibly rash on day 1 of an election-based game before even reading the role PM; I can't remember the exact name.) Arguably this means he makes a good policy lynch, but we have other more policy-lynchable people around, also actual scum.

...I've made it very clear why I think he's scum.

No, you'd made it very clear THAT you think he's scum, you had said virtually nothing about the WHY part

I thought the why part wasn't important in a game this large to you

VOTE: UberNinja

[TheTrollie]

@kondi how about enlightening me as to why rather than just saying something unhelpful like that

[TheTrollie]

pretty confident UN is town

UNVOTE: UberNinja

[TheTrollie]

From one reply you go from Uber as a strong scumread which you backed up, to him being a strong townread?

never thought of him as a strong scum read. Just was tired of everyone else saying it and wanted to see for myself.

[TheTrollie]

Vote: Matt P

He needs pressure put on him to respond to my posts, and people to review his.

are you serious?

You said about him quote "very scummy" and you placed a vote on him.

So basically, you are lying.

are you serious?

[TheTrollie]

I have been busy with graduation stuff for the past few days. Can someone summarize the case on Luffy & Lowman for me? I still might be ok with riding the BB wagon but I have to ISO him again before deciding that.

[TheTrollie]

is luffy done or is that L-1?

[TheTrollie]

chevre reeks of scum who was hiding under the radar, then finds a wagon to hop on but feels he needs to overjustify the vote

VOTE: chevre

[TheTrollie]

u got bb on there twice for amrun

[TheTrollie]

^@mod

[TheTrollie]

yep...and now my vote on chevre feels very good. note the descriptive nature of that last post which is unlikely to help us find scum. Total defense mode after a second vote is dropped on him.

[TheTrollie]

the reasons were "from me from memory" what do you mean?

[TheTrollie]

Chevre is still the lynch to make:

AAAAND

Chevre comes out of hiding to post RIGHT AFTER there are two votes on him

WOOSH

Vote: Chevre

@ Spyrex: Come with me if you want to live

A) how was I hiding?

by not posting until you were under attack

B) Can I not defend myself against votes I don't feel I deserve?

yeah, sure you can. doesn't change the fact that when you did this you came out of hiding to do so. we are calling that scummy, not the fact that you defended yourself.

yep...and now my vote on chevre feels very good. note the descriptive nature of that last post which is unlikely to help us find scum. Total defense mode after a second vote is dropped on him.

So...being descriptive is bad? Sounds more like it's more words than you wanted to read. I feel that I addressed the points I wanted to address in a good way, and I'm not sure how this could be scummy. As I said above with UberNinja, am I not allowed to defend myself? Plus, I promised content today which I am about to provide.

we all know what the thread says, descriptive posts add nothing. sometimes they help to summarize or clarify but they are never insightful and thus do not help us find scum as well as something analytic would

also, the idea that we should be listening to what the mislynches had to say is a bad one. Sure, we know they were town, but (1) townies also know that they themselves are town so there is no reason to trust dead people over themselves (2) just because they were town doesn't mean they were right

[TheTrollie]

newb or not, chevre is scum

and what is it with people on this forum telling me im a terrible newb without helping to explain what about my posts is so objectionable

[TheTrollie]

kondi can you provide a summary of why NS is a better vote?

my vote is on chevre for overjustifying his hop onto a wagon that was well established. That paired with how quickly he responded to attacks on him and his convoluted, descriptive posts are why i think he is scummy.

[TheTrollie]

over justifying is scummy because mafia is more concerned about looking like they have reasons for their votes than town so they dont look like they are voting to get a lynch or to bus or whatever. town votes to lynch scum. scum votes to forward their own agenda but they can't get caught doing so, and therefore they come up with arguments for why the vote is about finding scum rather than their hidden agenda. this time, the overjustification was super scummy though because there was already a large wagon on luffy and a lot of discussion on the issue. chevre was distancing his vote from wagon jumping. That is scummy. You can tell me other reasons why you think he is town but dont tell me my logic is flawed or stupid.

And I don’t care if you have been posting every day or not. What is important to note is that you posted 30 minutes after the second vote was placed on you. You hadn’t posted for almost two days before that.

[TheTrollie]

Oh, and now, Trollie is scummy because he just completed a near-perfect game as scum, and he's acting much the same way here.

just out of curiosity and self-interest do you mind telling me what you think is similar about my play in that game and this one (that was my first game so i dont really know my own playstyle yet)

i kinda dont want to respond to this because i feel like it will carry more weight when someone else explains why this logic is flawed, but at the same time i think its important this is said: That was my one complete game (besides some marathon games). There is no way to know what elements of my playstyle in that game were because I was scum, and what were just part of my playstyle. at least I dont think (ill give you a hint though: the similarities are a result of my playstyle )

[TheTrollie]

The chevre wagon could be a scum lynch (I doubt it though)

because of the chance of multiple scum teams

, but even if it is, it's not difficult to see that it is a scum led wagon, look at its speed and who's on it lol.

scumslip maybe? seems to be saying "chevre isn't on

my scumteam

, but he still may flip scum if there is another team"

[TheTrollie]

not retarded...now i see what you meant but the way you said it was not the best way to say what u meant...

what you meant, i think, is that you are working off of the ASSUMPTION that it is a scum-lead wagon, and you are saying that we still may get a scum flip on chevre even if it is scum-lead because the scum on the wagon can be from the other team.

yeah, ok, fine. they could also be on his team bussing. or they can be town. the argument you need to be making is why the wagon is scum lead, then if chevre flips scum you can say well the wagon can be filled with scum from another team.

[TheTrollie]

i actually do agree with matt...its impossible to get anything out of anyone in this game because of the number of lurkers/people in general.

I still think chevre's scum and that we should lynch him now, but after that I am down to lynch lurkers

[TheTrollie]

U know what, fine. once the lurkers are out of the way we will have an easier time finding scum anyway

UNVOTE: chevre
VOTE: robotnick

[TheTrollie]

VOTE: milk

[TheTrollie]

well lookie there...i disappear for a week and when i come back we have a scum flip. dat's good. gonna go back to this vote:

VOTE: BBmolla

[TheTrollie]

I care a bit, i will care more and more as we start getting rid of peeps (thats why i liked the kill all lurkers strat). Its hard for me to keep up with the thread when there are so many peeps and hence dont really care...i do care, i just wish there werent so many ppl (i guess i got what i asked for). ill do some reading this week and try to contribute soemthing more useful

[TheTrollie]

i'm fine risking it, either way we are going to get scum and with a game this large the 50/50 chance is better than any other lynch.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: NS

[TheTrollie]

Holy shit! i just realized that amrun's avatar is not a man wearing a birthday hat in the clouds, but is a cat with a birthday hat on its nose!

That's life changing.

time to catch up. will post sometime tomorrow probably feeling tired, i've been sick all day.

[TheTrollie]

ill vote sykedoc if i really have to. do want to kill the lurkers but his posts read disinterested townie to me. trying to find a better lurker lynch but like i said if i cant I'd be ok lynching syke i guess

[TheTrollie]

no the trollie doesn't get in for another hour or so, take the bus

[TheTrollie]

yeah nor did i, dude, join the club

[TheTrollie]

im for waiting since i think syke is town, but i don't get why you are saying we should wait for him when we never waited for the other lurkers. why do you think he will respond if we wait anyway?

[TheTrollie]

Just ISOd some of the ppl left, SleepyKrew looks iffy

vote:sleepykrew

OMGUS
VOTE: redff

I didn't accidentally hammer right?

uh, no. u worried?

Has TBone claimed? I'll vote TBone.

yeah why not, anything to get a lynch.

Okay, what's the case on CC besides "lol ima lurkin dey be lurkin more"?

then someone was like "thats all there is"

I can ride with that.
VOTE: CC

Activate Innocent Child Treestump

innocent child means hes gonna be confirmed town by the mod right? Ill hold the vote until i give the mod enough time to see that or someone tells me I am wrong but unless u get confirmed ur my vote today.

[TheTrollie]

trollie...

somebody make a list of all of the vote counts with flip colors for me?

petapan, i choose you

lmao

spyrex said he was going to do something heckle him the next time he decides to post

u suggesting I do it? let me check how much work that will be compared to how much time I have right now.

[TheTrollie]

VOTE: sleepykrew

[TheTrollie]

after 3176 im inclined to vote YYR, still want more thoughts on my Sleepy case. Will take another look at YYR in the morning to see if its worth switching my vote

[TheTrollie]

he's certainly more likely to be scum than sykedoc

[TheTrollie]

I'm down for a YYR lynch. I just ask that SleepyKrew be next. syke was way less scummy than either of these two and even if we are lynching lurkers some of them are scummier than others.

UNVOTE: SleepyKrew
VOTE: YYR

[TheTrollie]

Been asking for a YYR lynch since day 1...

happy birthday.

[TheTrollie]

c'mon. just look at this guys ISO people.

VOTE: SleepyKrew

[TheTrollie]

VOTE: bbmolla

just get out

yeahhh i know and i was going to lynch him sooner or later anyway but UGH

UNVOTE:

looking at the numbers we have 10 lynches left at best i think, probably 2 scum left at most because of the vote rules and would make nice symmetry with the mime team

LowMan/Jackal711
Muffin wednesday/Kondi2424
Chevre
Elmo Teh Azn
redff

BBMolla

spyrex
Trevor

^dudes i'm pretty sure are town

Can we stop stupidly pushing lynches on people who we have town reads on. Just because there are a ton of us doesn't mean we should be shooting from the hip. Sure, there are lurkers and annoyances and whatever, but we should try harder to lynch scum. Idk if people are just tired and want this game to end or what, but the quick and rampant lynches aren't helping anyone.

[TheTrollie]

we can always lynch him later if things change though. There is zero reason to lynch him preemptively. Also BB is just one example we haven't been using our votes carefully enough for a while.

[TheTrollie]

Just wen't through Uber's post again from yeterday with the color coded vote counts. Interesting pattern from Staeg. I checked out all of the lynches staeg was on and found this:

Spoiler: Town Lynches

votecount

T-bone (10): Amrun, theamateur, uberninja, kondi2424, mattp, luffy, Thetrollie, lowman, spyrex,

Staeg

RedFF (2): MattP, Lowman
PeregrineV (1): trevor
BBmolla (1): Hoopla
hoopla (1): zajnet
kondi2424 (1): RedFF

As of post 1327, T-bone was lynched. He was a vanilla townie

votecount

luffy (10):

staeg

, rhinox, BBmolla, mattP, zdenek, elmo teh azn, Nobody special, theamateur, chevre, dramonic

lowman (6): amrun, luffy, PeregrineV, petapan, TechnoWC, Lowman
BBmolla (2): zajnet, syndromeofadown
nobody special (2): Trevor, Kondi2424
PeregrineV (2): Hoopla, zoraster
YYR (1): RedFF
Trevor (1): uberninja
Spyrex (1): callforjudgement
chevre (1): thetrollie

as of post 1771, luffy was lynched. He was a vanilla townie.

Two lynches remaining today.

also note that at the time of staeg's vote SpyreX was also voting Luffy

votecount

hoopla (10): amrun,

staeg

, technowc, chronopie, jackal711, zajnet, kondi2424, deltawave, uberninja, PenegrineV

MoS (2): bbmolla, syndromeofadown
technowc (1): theamatuer
kondi2424 (1): RedFF
dramonic (1): funkybike1
funkybike1 (1): trevor

Hoopla was lynched, she was a vanilla townie.

You still have one lynch left today.

votecount

sykedoc (10): theamatuer, kondi2424, technowc, jackal711, bbmolla,

staeg

, zajnet, YYR, spyrex, Petapan

YYR (3): redff, trevor, syndromeofadown
Funkybike1 (1): zajnet
technowc (1): Deltawave
petapan (1): peregrinev
sleepykrew (1): thetrollie
spyrex (1): uberninja

as of post 3192, sykedoc was lynched. He was a vanilla townie. You have one lynch remaining today.

votecount

YYR (10): redff, trevor, syndromeofadown, petapan, spyrex, peregrinev, jackal711, thetrollie, funkybike1,

staeg

technowc (1): Deltawave
spyrex (1): uberninja

As of post 3237, YYR was lynched. He was a vanilla townie.

It is now night 5. Send your action in within 24 hours.

votecount

peregrinev (10): BBmolla, petapan, jackal711,

staeg

, technowc, trevor, deltawave, syndromeofadown, zajnet, theamatuer

Sleepykrew (1): thetrollie

as of post 3264, peregrinev was lynched. He was a vanilla townie. You have one lynch remaining today.

with the exception of sykedoc and peregrineV, for every mislynch that Staeg has been a part of, he has been either one of the first to start the wagon or the one to hammer

Spoiler: Mafia Lynches

votecount

nobody special (10): zajnet, mattp, Elmo teh Azn,

staeg

, kondi2424, callforjudgement, bbmolla, TechnoWC, TheTrollie, syndromeofadown

Spyrex (4): amrun, Jackal711, uberninja, YYR
technowc (3): Ellibereth, Trevor, zdenek
bbmolla (2): PeregrineV, thetrollie
sykedoc (1): theamatuer
amrun (1): hoopla
Kondi2424 (1): Redff
thetrollie (1): petapan
hoopla (1): nobody special

As of post 2654, Nobody special was lynched. He was a

mafia goon

it is now night 3. The deadline is in 24 hours

votecount

callforjudgement (10): Amrun, petapan, uberninja, Jackal711, Zajnet,

staeg

, hoopla, syndromeofadown, technowc, dramonic

BBmolla (2): Callforjudgement, kondi2424
kondi2424 (1): RedFF
dramonic (1): funkybike1
funkybike1 (1): trevor
sleepykrew (1): PeregrineV

as of post 2767, callforjudgement was lynched. He was a

mafia goon

You have 2 lynches remaining today.

@Callforjudgement, if you still want to help with the votecounts, that would be appreciated a lot. You've been a great help to the game.

For Mafia lynches that he has been on, he has been consistently voting once a wagon has already gathered a good amount of attraction, but is never one of the last to vote for these players.

I'm running very late to pick someone up at the airport, gonna have to leave it at that and return to this when i get back

[TheTrollie]

@Mod: all sorts of problems with that votecount lol. I think maybe it got formatted incorrectly? I'm not on funky

better?

[TheTrollie]

@Mod: all sorts of problems with that votecount lol. I think maybe it got formatted incorrectly? I'm not on funky

better?

thanks

[TheTrollie]

Let's kick this one up a notch

vote: SKrew

thanks for buddying with me after i point out that i was suspicious of u lol

[TheTrollie]

Let's kick this one up a notch

vote: SKrew

thanks for buddying with me after i point out that i was suspicious of u lol

[TheTrollie]

why has no one explained the funkey lynch. This is what i mean by shooting from the hip. If you are gonna vote, fucking tell us why or I'm not going to vote with you. period.

[TheTrollie]

I've been away. Will be able to catch up tomorrow hopefully monday the latest

[TheTrollie]

hey im away for the weekend haven't caught up yet. Is zd a lurker lynch?

[TheTrollie]

finally a wagon that's not bs
welcome to L-1 zd

VOTE: zdenek

[TheTrollie]

Okay so I am willing to sheep some combination of trollie/peta (more or less because of my own reads being shit).

ironic, cause ur on my list of today's lynches. Eh, why wait.

VOTE: Staeg

c'mon people. lets stop fucking around here.

[TheTrollie]

damn.
UNVOTE: Steag
VOTE: deltawave

[TheTrollie]

wait.

UNVOTE: deltawave

Since we have a confirmation that SOMEONE has redirected, and no one counterclaimed kair, why does it make sense to go through with this lynch? we know he isnt lying so... and if this power exists, why not let them protect eachother rather than have them out eachother to be NK'd?

its early.

[TheTrollie]

is it possible that an Angel is scum aligned?

if so then i understand the DW wagon, but if Angels are town roles then it seems very dumb

[TheTrollie]

is it possible that an Angel is scum aligned?

if so then i understand the DW wagon, but if Angels are town roles then it seems very dumb

The entire premise is that if Delta is town he can overturn.

You already know that I can overturn lynches. I did (well, my predecessor did) and nobody counter-claimed it. So saying "IF delta is town" makes no sense in this context, since it was already proven that I can overturn a lynch.

but this is why i asked if angels can be scum roles. your argument falls apart if so, because even though you are an un-counter-claimed angel, that only shows that you are an angel, and not your alignment. If angel is a town-aligned role only, then you are correct. thats why I need someone to tell me the answer (trevor, not sure if you were trying to answer but if so, what you said was not very clear)

[TheTrollie]

is it possible that an Angel is scum aligned?

if so then i understand the DW wagon, but if Angels are town roles then it seems very dumb

The entire premise is that if Delta is town he can overturn.

You already know that I can overturn lynches. I did (well, my predecessor did) and nobody counter-claimed it. So saying "IF delta is town" makes no sense in this context, since it was already proven that I can overturn a lynch.

but this is why i asked if angels can be scum roles. your argument falls apart if so, because even though you are an un-counter-claimed angel, that only shows that you are an angel, and not your alignment. If angel is a town-aligned role only, then you are correct. thats why I need someone to tell me the answer (trevor, not sure if you were trying to answer but if so, what you said was not very clear)

[TheTrollie]

HOLY SHIT! will one of you just answer my fucking question already? I dont care if you think it matters or not, I clearly do and need to know.

[TheTrollie]

VOTE: DW

[TheTrollie]

that was very dumb.

VOTE: staeg

[TheTrollie]

that was very dumb.

VOTE: staeg

do not sheep deltawave. page 145 makes staeg look like he might be town. vote MoS.

not sure i feel the same way about 145. I'm not sheeping that dumb fuck, I think staeg is scum because of what i've said in the past.

MoS is an OK lynch subject but i think Staeg is more likely scum.

[TheTrollie]

I think tech is town.

ima take a look at some of the odd balls tonight

wow this is major EBWOP: i tried posting this at like 12:00 lol i got work to do on this thread now

[TheTrollie]

hey guys sorry i've sucked lately. Work has been insane and i havent had time to keep up with all my games. I replaced out of another game just now so that will help me. lunch is ending but now that its friday I will finally be able to catch up after work.

[TheTrollie]

ok, fun fact, just because its the weekend doesn't mean I am not expected to work all day lol.

Funky looks pretty scummy but not gonna put him on L-1 till i finish reading everyone.

[TheTrollie]

@DW what is the case against me?

Red please let DW answer this.

[TheTrollie]

i hate that DW isn't dead

why the fuck would they have mentioned me? i was a semi-active player. of course they didnt mention me, you didnt even mention me until i started defending you for not outing ur angelbuds.

can someone remind me of why i stopped voting staeg?

[TheTrollie]

on one hand, i think CC is lurking scum. but on the other hand, i don't think scum would cast that second bandwagon vote. so CC is null for now.

t-bone is town. although i don't agree with his accusation on UN, it doesn't seem to be forced.

milk can't be read without reading the exact context. but i don't want to spend time reading that now. so i'll read later.

will vote later.

manho literally describes everyone like that

not sure what the NS interaction being so fake means.

[TheTrollie]

jesus christ I thought finally when we were down to the last handfull of players people would actually take the time to think about shit and not vote randomly. The argument against me is so dumb. If no one is willing to actually put their head into this game anymore this is hopeless.