The game of the year: town won!

[Trevor]

Sorry I'm late. Out of the chesskid wagon, I'm leaning more towards IceGuy for his extremely antitown play and milk for that hammer comment. Rhinox's 20 is terrible.

[Trevor]

Unless Mime victory ends the game

Which I doubt

And if so then is god damned hilarious

I think that is more likely. There's probably ~5 mimes in the game.

[Trevor]

'Game of the year'

'49 players'

'5 lynches day one'

'Game ending jester team...' Wait, what?

What did you expect? 1 day per lynch?
Mimes aren't nearly as bad as their win-con isn't very easy with 50 players and a likely pandemonium during the night.

[Trevor]

Oops, forgot to

Vote: rhinox

.

[Trevor]

What powers do you have izak?

[Trevor]

Since you fucking claimed JOAT?

[Trevor]

What do you have to hide?

[Trevor]

Or we could not policy lynch anyone as that is just as stupid as the voting blocks?

[Trevor]

thoroughly insulted

Really? This seems to be a bit far.

[Trevor]

Just skimmed through the game. Good job to Kairyuu or whatever for removing the mimes. I was certain Milk was scum, but reluctant to vote due to the mimes.

Vote: Milk

[Trevor]

There are so many scum this round that they can easily influence (and they will) any attempt to lynch scum. I think a block of five pretty obvious town would actually be effective by this point to counteract this. We should also be looking at wagons that were quickly dissuaded.

One scum joins the voting block. Influences every lynch. no.

[Trevor]

Why are people really doing read lists with 40 people in the game? I find it hard to believe you can "most definately town" read 7 people, especially people like redFF or Uber.

[Trevor]

VT, I don't care

[Trevor]

For claiming, or my play this game? I firmly believe Milk is scum.

[Trevor]

T-bone isn't scum. Those lists aren't scum-motivated and his wagon is pretty shitty.

ISO Milk then vote him.

[Trevor]

Vote: milk

Why is he not dead yet? The T-bone lynch is dumb.

[Trevor]

T-bone wagon: He's voted a lot of different people and created some bad lists. Anything I'm missing here? This flip will show absolutely nothing.

[Trevor]

Yaaawwn this is stupiddd but lets go ahead and get it done fast

Unvote, Vote: T-Bone

(I wasn't paying attention and I thought we had one more yesterday)

Why the fuck are you voting for a stupid lynch?

[Trevor]

Milk or Peregrine die next.

[Trevor]

You're saying that the night is less than 24 hours long?

[Trevor]

Oh shit, didn't see the night action time. You're probably right, theamateur.

[Trevor]

Yes, it is. BB won as the lyncher.

[Trevor]

Who was scum, btw?

[Trevor]

Nope, fuck you. BB gets all the credit for this win.

[Trevor]

How many lynchers were there?

[Trevor]

well that was a waste of time. how are you supposed to win against a lyncher team of 6 when its 10 to lynch?

Well, you get 4 idiots to vote with you...

[Trevor]

OH WAIT, THE OTHER 4 PEOPLE WERE MAFIA

[Trevor]

So, when did this game lose credibility as "the game of the year"? When chesskid got lynched?

[Trevor]

No scum in the fucking planet would night kill T-bone.

[Trevor]

Did anyone actually FOS T-bone? People were just voting him because they thought it was inevitable.

[Trevor]

If any of you bothered to ISO bb after he claimed lyncher, you would know this is fake.

[Trevor]

Oh god this is turning out bad.

I was trolling. Don't claim.

FUCK YEA. I knew it. You were role fishing too much. "Oh, so who was really scum?" "What other third parties were out there".

FUCK YEA HE DIDNT CATCH ME THOUGH - Luffy

Vote: PeregrineV

Yo, I know this is correct.

[Trevor]

Who is the one player that has killed all scumhunting today?
...
...
...
...
THAT'S RIGHT
IT'S KONDI

vote:kondi

>Implying there was scumhunting going on before all this

[Trevor]

Oh, FFS.

Someone deserves rope for that...

And is lucky I'm not a role with a kill ability.

VOTE: Kondi2424

Where the fuck were you when this shit was going on?

[Trevor]

Can we please get the T-bone flip? *tries to summon myko*

T-bone has been lynched! He was a Vanilla Town. You have 3 lynches left.

yw

[Trevor]

Hey, vote Peregrine if you are town and if you want to see a scumflip.

[Trevor]

Yeah, let's policy lynch more obvious townies, because that works wonders for the town.

[Trevor]

Pretty sure the flip isn't coming for 12+ hours.

[Trevor]

Because its never going to stop.

This makes it go away faster and thats a good thing. Especially after thinks like UN's post above.

Anyone care to explain to me what is this talk about the game being over?

How, and why are people still voting if it is??

Troll/joke. Nothing's actually happened.

[Trevor]

Redeem yourself by voting PeregrineV.

[Trevor]

What the fuck is this shit?

VOTE: LowMan

He's acting shady.

I'm happy T-Bone is dead even if he was town.

I think this lynching shit is trolling and I'm ignoring it for now.

This post sucks and you know it.

[Trevor]

Peregrine first please.

[Trevor]

Ohhhhh look at that.

Now lets take a step back from dumbcliff and actually parse out the wagons we've had - this is NOT something I'm doing right now but it absolutely should happen today.

As for the game of fake-fake of fakelands the winners of that prize are Hoopla for even pretending to believe the lynchers and Luffy's ohh wooe is me I was wrong bit turning IMMEDIATELY to trying to lynch lurkers in the no feather ruffling business.

the BB votes are .

Unvote, Vote: Luffy

Yaaawwn this is stupiddd but lets go ahead and get it done fast

Unvote, Vote: T-Bone

(I wasn't paying attention and I thought we had one more yesterday)

almost as stupid as the T-Bone wagon was

[Trevor]

I'm off to sleep. Couple things:
Today's fake lyncher claim was very telling. It wasn't anti-town at the slightest, so don't fucking lynch someone based on that. Too bad no one was active when it happened.
Lynch Milk or Peregrine. I don't care which.
Uberninja's next post will be very bad.

[Trevor]

Don't be mad you got caught Trevor. Just don't vote obtown like Rhinox next time when they suggest non-random lynching.

I've been caught? Where have I been caught? I don't know about you, but I feel pretty confident that I will not be lynched an time soon. Even so, any wagon formed on me should be extremely telling.

Just don't vote obtown like Rhinox next time when they suggest non-random lynching.

Rhinox's original plan we terrible and could bee manipulated in so many different ways. I felt it was antitown as fuck. Even so, how does him giving a plan like that make him "obvious" town?

I feel as though Peregrine just has some shitty townreads but his lists are the only thing holding me back from being 100% sure of him being scum.

YYR is a good wagon, his ISO is full of wagoning and "fluff".

Vote: YYR

[Trevor]

No, scum was Miyu, syellowtail, Fate, and Mist Beauty.

[Trevor]

Trevor is town. RedFF is town.

YYR is fine and I'd hammer it but I was hoping for a bit juicier early.

Why does everything you do contradict what you say? What could possibly be more juicier than a scum-read lynch? You want to lynch someone who has a lot of things to say?

[Trevor]

Isn't callforjudgement enough? He subtly made himself unlynchable at the moment because of those useful votecounts.

[Trevor]

What? We are speculating whether CFJ is using those votecounts as means of gaining town-cred and if they are really necessary. I think he is town, but whatever.

I refuse to watch youtube videos until those stupid fucking political ads are removed.

[Trevor]

Explain how me questioning these extra votecounts leads to me being scum, Uberninja. I really want to hear this.

[Trevor]

Explain how me questioning these extra votecounts leads to me being scum, Uberninja. I really want to hear this.

[Trevor]

Explain how me questioning these extra votecounts leads to me being scum, Uberninja. I really want to hear this.

Is that so? Well, alright then.

You

yourself

are bringing into question his alignment, based on something as thin as providing extra votecounts. You don't want people to get credit for doing good things. You want everyone to look equally scummy and equally possible for mislynch.

Yes, he's doing votecounts (he's done 23 of them, for the record) but out of his 62 posts thus far that leaves 39 posts remaining, and that's more than at least 30 people in the game (some of which are dead, but etc -- there are only 16 people with more posts), so I'm not sure where you're trying to find fault with him.

Is it because he's providing a service to us for free, and you don't think we should be appreciative because he's only doing it for town cred?
Or is it the more obvious reason: because he's using the vote counts as an excuse for lurking, and hasn't provided any real content so far?

Because neither of those reasons are true.

And you bringing it up and trying to paint him as scummy for either of them is not only retarded, it's scummy as hell.

I'm glad you "really want to hear this", because I "really wanted to explain it to you".

You didn't actually say the reason I gave, which was, "Is he using this service as a way to make people more hesitant to vote him?" I didn't even indicate if that was scummy or not. I said that he was making himself harder to lynch, not questioning his alignment. Regardless of his alignment, I was saying that he was only benefiting himself. With proof that he would do this as either alignment, the question of whether he would do this as scum only trying to gain town-cred is gone.

[Trevor]

Yes, because people are really going to avoid voting someone they think is scum just because they'll *gasp!* lose the free vote counts and have to wait for the actual MOD to do it!

I'm rolling around in my mind the idea of you being town and just stupid, but then I've seen stupid scum get written off for their stupidity before, and they lasted way too long (one was my scum buddy in my first game here) and even if you're town, that ridiculous level of stupid shouldn't be allowed to survive to cause damage later in the game.

The earlier you die, the better. If you're scum, which is likely, it's just bonus.

This post just reeks of bullshit. Let's just say you are right, and I stupidly created unnecessary suspicion on CFJ. Do you think that is policy lynch worthy? Creating suspicion on someone?
You obviously don't have a conclusive scumtell on me, and you are setting up the "It was his fault if he was town" excuse.

Putting my 2 cents in, I do agree with UN. Not as much as the reasons he game, but when I read these:

Trevor

Isn't callforjudgement enough? He subtly made himself unlynchable at the moment because of those useful votecounts.

What? We are speculating whether CFJ is using those votecounts as means of gaining town-cred and if they are really necessary. I think he is town, but whatever.

You can't tell me that these 2 posts aren't horrible contradictions. First you say that Call has basically made himself look townish with the vote counts, and then right after you say, you "think he is town, but whatever".

Sooo... what was the point of making the first statment in the first case, if you think he is town? Why are you trying to get suspicion on your townreads? If you would've said that you think he is null because of the vote counts, or that the vote counts can really be WIFOM, you would've looked fine. But here, it looks like "Oh, look. Let me throw some suspicion towards a generally liked townie, and then get myself out of the hole by saying that I think he is town."

Did you not read? Tell me where in the first post I called him scum. Luffy: Tell me where I suspected him.

[Trevor]

Isn't callforjudgement enough? He subtly made himself unlynchable at the moment because of those useful votecounts.

Yea, I mean this risk of lynching him

is

great, considering we'll be losing those helpful votecounts*

*Unless he agrees to continue on doing them even after being lynched (Call, you should totally agree to this!)

Might I add, you agreed word for word with what I originally said.

[Trevor]

Did you not read? Tell me where in the first post I called him scum. Luffy: Tell me where I suspected him.

“He subtly made himself unlynchable at the moment because of those useful votecounts”

Uhh, I think that is very indicative that you suspect someone. I mean, why are you throwing a fastball in the first place then if you don’t think it’s suspicious? For funsies? Or for the town’s entertainment? Or… maybe, to throw more WIFOM and confusion onto a townish player?

Because I noticed it when someone was referring to making Peregrine the official votecount fixer? I never painted him as scum or even put suspicion on him.

Uberninja, you never answered my question. You think I am either scum or a town worth policy lynching. Is what you think I did that bad for a policy lynch? Putting suspicion on a not very discussed player?

[Trevor]

Well, it's not like I could meta you anyway, because I've never heard of you or Westeros.
I just care if you're somebody I have played with before.

That's why I said it wouldn't really be helpful

I wish so bad I had dayvig powers. Sometimes, I just get the urge to shoot some people right on the spot *sigh*. Ellibereth, what happened to shooting Trevor? Or anyone else for that matter?

Funnily enough, I have no idea why that shot failed. Luffy, do you think I am scum? If so, why aren't you voting me?

pedit: Someone please quote 1600 when I die. Uberninja is full of shit.

[Trevor]

Alright, I'm off. Feels like I've spent the entire evening conversing with the same 2 people.

If you didn't know, I intend to survive until Day 12 lylo, where I can quote this while simultaneously hammering the last scum 2 minutes until the deadline.

[Trevor]

Hello there, Luffy is a bad lynch, as I think he is town. Why does it seem like only the most outspoken people are in consideration for a lynch?

Fos on Nobody Special. I appreciate you not wanting to lynch me, but is this seriously the reason you changed?

Well, I was all set to vote Trevor over the CFJ votecount fiasco thing.

Then I saw THIS scumbuffet:

Trevor dying inexplicably would be grand.

GRAND, I tell you.

I swear, UN, you get scummier every time I play with you. Eat some rope.

I think UN is likely scum. That post is definitely not what convinces me, or what should convince anyone else.

[Trevor]

:

To place my vote on YYR.

[Trevor]

If Mimes are a threat to town, then by all means let's mime-hunt. Otherwise, aside from screwing up vote count analysis (if those are even possible in a game this size), they should be scumhunting and are more annoyance than threat.

Rhinox plan is good, and he'll stay a town read for it.
I think the portion of the plan people are missing is that each group will be looked at closely by all players, and focus should be on that group for a few days. This does not preclude you from scumhunting elsewhere, but it will be the FOCUS group.
If that's too much to think about, consider it multi-tasking. Scumhunt everybody while simultaneously scumhunting in that group.

Am down with the TML lynch, but he's climbing back up from the

scumpool

, and I have no probelem letting him contiue redeeming himself.

However, Rhinox votes are bad.

Vote: Dramonic

If we were to do it it would need to be a somewhat of a democracy.

Thats how it would work in practice. No one is really going to be OK with 1 person deciding who we're lynching and then

baaaaaaa~aaa~aa~

. Its more like, this group of people makes the decisions, and you don't lynch from within that group until thats all who's left. Basically steamroll everyone else and hit most of the scum even though you pancake some townies as well in the process - assuming those making up the group are reasonably better than random at figuring out who's town.

pedit: tbone invite hoopla into the club before she ruins all the fun.

This. I would consider a

in-thread masonry

with TBone, Rhinox, & TechNow. Future additions pending.

Not voting the top 6 wagons.

would also prefer to cull the non-posting.

Someone had a good list.

Adding Kariyou to my town list.

This. I would consider a in-thread masonry with TBone, Rhinox, & TechNow, Wednesday Muffin, Kairyuu

Still stick by this.

Add Amrun to my list.

More later, but some are tricky (spryeX, etc.)

Also, Kondi=Muffin?
That's cool.

Don't be mad you got caught Trevor. Just don't vote obtown like Rhinox next time when they suggest non-random lynching.

And argument by repetition? Perhaps you should include it in your sig....

Everything bolded, Zdenek.

[Trevor]

Why are the two players who are closest to confirmed town not saying shit?

[Trevor]

Why are the two players who are closest to confirmed town not saying shit?

Who are you referring to?

Ellibareth, who has some sort of day-kill ability, and Kairyuu, who has some sort of lynch-override ability.

[Trevor]

He tried to, but was unsuccessful for whatever reason. I believe the claim, but expect him to actually kill someone some time in the future.

VOTE: lowman

Let's lynch the lurkers. let's lynch all the lurkers.

Not sure lynching lurkers will get us anywhere. You feel it is hard to find scum in this setup, yet you think lynching lurkers will help us hit scum?

Still, lowman is a PL loving, wagon jumping, happy to kill town lurker scummy.

I don't mind thinning him and seeing what we get; good chance he is one of the scummy lurkers.

Unvote
Vote: Lowman

This is a bad post.

As is every vote on lowman. Your point?

[Trevor]

Your case on Lowman is bad, Tech. What happened to everyone who has lurked even more than Low, or everyone who has tried to policy lynch even more? Your lurking case falls short on the fact that he has been VLA for the past 4 days or so as well. What do you think about zoraster, dramonic, zajnet, robotnick, MoS, and funkybike?

[Trevor]

Disappointed.

[Trevor]

Vote: Nobody Special

Forget Luffy, he's town.

[Trevor]

Really? Read the damn votecount.

[Trevor]

Chevre, you are just throwing as much random shit as you can at Luffy. You don't even explain for most of the stuff why he is scum, he just does something that is evidently scum. Nothing here is a "scumtell". If you actually say "this looks like scum because...", you refrain from mentioning, "but it could still be town, since both scum and town can do this". You didn't even have to write up all this crap, just vote him since he will be lynched anyways.

[Trevor]

unvote
vote: luffy

What a great post, after lurking hardcore, you pop in to vote the largest wagon with no content!

[Trevor]

THE NEXT PERSON WHO VOTES FOR LOWMAN WILL BE POLICY LYNCHED. WHO AGREES?

Vote: Amrun

[Trevor]

No fuck that, Nobody Special just lynched Luffy and moves on to the next person without giving a shit.

Vote: Nobody Special

. BB, Amrun can die later.

[Trevor]

Ok, Ellibareth, I will explain to you each wagon, mainly the Tbone and the Luffy ones, both of which I campaigned hardly against.

[Trevor]

I'd be willing to vote for Lowman just to see the flip, but the fact that he's still self-voting gives me pause.

Are you kidding me? Can you read people at all?

Q: Trevor, wtf? Why are you so sure Lowman is town?

A: self-voting

[Trevor]

Wait, Luffy is dead? What the fuck people.

Let me guess. He was town.

Well no shit

[Trevor]

All of the lynch wagons, have fun analysing

Chesskid
Mini-Librarian
izakthegoomba
moneybags
Captain Corporeal
T-bone
monkey d luffy

[Trevor]

I'd be willing to vote for Lowman just to see the flip, but the fact that he's still self-voting gives me pause.

Are you kidding me? Can you read people at all?

Q: Trevor, wtf? Why are you so sure Lowman is town?

A: self-voting

Except WIFOM. Treating self-voting as implying town on it's own is stupid.

Fair enough, but you seriously can't tell me you can't formulate any read on him and must see his flip. Some people have been saying the same shit all game. Lynch obvious town, we get info, lynch another obvious town/lurker etc.

[Trevor]

UN you think Amrun is town

If I can get enough for Amrun lynch, I'll switch.

Vote: Amrun

[Trevor]

So you're just not going to try to read him? Tell me right now if he's scum or town. You have as much time as you want. Give me one answer.

[Trevor]

Vote: imaginality

dude's been on 3 mislynch wagons according to the vote counts, but only has 8 posts to his name

LYNCH THE BASTARD

He's died last night. This is why lynching based off of number of mislynches on is dumb.

[Trevor]

No fuck that, Nobody Special just lynched Luffy and moves on to the next person without giving a shit.

Vote: Nobody Special

. BB, Amrun can die later.

Newsflash, genius: I was one of TEN people on that wagon.

Really scummy response here guys

vote:NS

Shit, how did I not see this post?

Vote: Nobody Special

[Trevor]

Holy crap Zdenek, you read kondi as scum based on the fact that you think kondi says there is only one team, but cannot put even the slightest read on Lowman?

[Trevor]

tl;dr
T-bone is lynched, people say that his lynch is inevitable even though he isn't scummy at all. He's town.
Some people claim lynchers and that the game is over as t-bone was lynched. Some people believe it, some don't.
Luffy talks a lot and pisses some people off. He dies. He's town.

[Trevor]

Holy crap Zdenek, you read kondi as scum based on the fact that you think kondi says there is only one team, but cannot put even the slightest read on Lowman?

No, I don't read him as scum for that. Have you been paying attention at all?

My bad, Ctrl+F'd your ISO for kondi, not Muffin Wednesday.

[Trevor]

@mod, how are you doing prods, if any?

Weekly

[Trevor]

Vote: Spyrex

Not on the top of my scumread list, but his actions have felt fake and I've called him out on this multiple times today.
Also lol @ kondi votes.

[Trevor]

also, the idea that we should be listening to what the mislynches had to say is a bad one. Sure, we know they were town, but (1) townies also know that they themselves are town so there is no reason to trust dead people over themselves (2) just because they were town doesn't mean they were right

This post gave me cancer

Your attack on Chevre was really bad, Trollie.

[Trevor]

Vote: Nobody Special

Another vote on the bandwagon.

Fun fact: out of all votes on Luffy, Chevre's is the best. It's not even close. An attack because "only scum need to justify their votes like that" is dumb.

Please vote Nobody Special, I'm done changing my vote.

[Trevor]

No, we're telling you that your logic is bad. I'm not calling you a newb, and MattP, you shouldn't use that excuse at all.

Pedit: kool post kondi
Pedit: Over justifying? Are you shitting me? Explain to me how overjustifying=scum. You've established that he over justified. Now connect that with being scum. Also: Quickly responding to attacks isn't a scum tell. Neither is descriptive posting. This is just getting dumb.

[Trevor]

PEdit: Why did it take you five extra minutes to type "kool post kondi"? O_o

Actually, it would have taken 1 minute or less.

[Trevor]

Don't see what makes funky distinctively scum from his ISO. Just a lurker.
If you want to get a lurker with a shitty ISO, consider Milk.

[Trevor]

The entire lurking=scum is dumb. Why would you lurk as scum? Posting as scum is a lot easier imo than as town. Also: people are more interested in games they are scum in. No one looks at a game and says, "Nah, I'm not interested in this game I am scum in."
Why is Robotnick at the top of the list? What happened to funkybike or milk?

[Trevor]

Anyone who tries to vote kondi at this point is obvious scum.

[Trevor]

proxy vote to mattp

use as necessary until I have tiempo

what is this

[Trevor]

No what does it do jesus christ

[Trevor]

That is the dumbest mechanic I've ever heard of.

[Trevor]

I really hope that the mod doesn't allow this Proxy-vote nonsense to happen.

[Trevor]

Back to NS people. Lynching lurkers might get you 1-2 scum in the entire group of lurkers.

[Trevor]

I'm finding it entertaining how I've gone from L-10 to L-1 while I was asleep.
I don't think anything I say will stop the wagon now, pretty hard to defuse an L-1 on yourself I gather, so I'll just say that it was fun while it lasted. Also that Matt I'm reading as scum, simply for this whole "voting list" thing - scum know who's scum in that list, and forsaking one or two scum for the sake of getting rid of, what, 10 townies? Seems like a good payoff to me.
Nevertheless, I claim VT. Good luck guys.

(and if by some miracle this bandwagon falls through then I am so gonna be more active than you ever will have seen before.)

You don't even need a flip to say that Robot is town.

[Trevor]

Vote: Milk

He's on the lurker list, fucking vote him next.

[Trevor]

And of course he flips VT. More Milk votes guys

[Trevor]

No, fuck you and fuck the list. What is wrong with voting Milk? Absolutely nothing.

[Trevor]

Vote: Fritzler

Just read his iso.

[Trevor]

I am fine with any order ot the list list of lurkers as long as we lynch them.

Milk

Vote: Milk

Go on sheeps follow the lurker lynch.

[Trevor]

For the record, this will be the first lynch that I've actually approved of.

[Trevor]

halfway the game muffin wednesday went to play as kondi.

Further I intend to have no replacements in this game

, for the simple reason that a game of this size can cope with V/LA's

[Trevor]

VOTE: milk

honestly at this point i'm dealing with a theory that this is a kooky bastard game and there is an abnormally low number of scum in it. There, I said it.

The thought of a sole SK (and mimes) anti-town force crossed my mind but I dismissed it, so there's that

vote: milk

what about an SK with a one-shot governor power

I'm seriously starting to consider this.

[Trevor]

Also the day is going to end soon.

[Trevor]

areyoufuckingkiddingme

whats wrong boy

[Trevor]

areyoufuckingkiddingme

right there with you...

right.

there.

with.

you.

says the person who wants to lynch kondi

[Trevor]

areyoufuckingkiddingme

whats wrong boy

We have another wagon with no reasoning springing up very quickly on what is most likely a non-scum role, same thing thats been happening all game.

We're actually lynching all the lurkers and I managed to flip it to a lurker I have a scumread on.

[Trevor]

Vote: Fritzler

[Trevor]

I'm complaining to Myk after the game, the lack of nightkills/daykills really fucked this game.

Implying this game isn't fucked already

[Trevor]

Lowman/jackal is obvious town. Techno is an idiot or scum.

[Trevor]

hearing the word idiot coming out of Trevor's mouth in reference to someone else is rich

Vote: imaginality

dude's been on 3 mislynch wagons according to the vote counts, but only has 8 posts to his name

LYNCH THE BASTARD

k

btw I'm going to be on limited access for 2 weeks or so.

[Trevor]

Trevor
is CONFIRMED TOWN
who is also now granted IMMORTALITY of shots.

What if we lynched trevor. Then, if he actually died we lynch ellibereth for lying?

Very confused by this - how would trevor dying "prove ellibereth wrong?" Trevor would have to flip scum for this.

This logic is faulty because if I flipped town, it wouldn't prove jack shit.

Read Zdenek's [url=http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 5#p4090855] last couple posts. I'm really mixed, as no scumbuddy would be that retarded to buddy and then rely on someone to save his ass, but it's still incredibly scummy.

Here is everyone I think is town (assuming there is 1 scumteam).
staeg
LowMan
uberninja
Sleepykrew (if his claim is legit)
BBMolla
spyrex
syndromeofadown
MattP
Kairyuu
Callforjudgment
Ellibereth
Kondi2424
Chevre

Pedit:

Vote: sykedoc

If we are going with the lurker thing again, this isn't a bad one to choose.

[Trevor]

Also, add Petapan to my townread list.

[Trevor]

@Trevor: And why him over Lowman, just out of interest?

His ONLY scumtell is noncontribution.

Still, lurkers are go.

Funky should be taken off the lurker list if he manages to post more, as amateur said.

Unvote
Vote: sykedoc

Did you really just ask me why I wanted sykedoc over Lowman/jackal, then vote him anyways?

If you really wanted to know, it's because jackal towntold with his "lynch me" stuff.

[Trevor]

but why is everyone ignoring my post about Trevor? I expected him to be dead by now.

Do you actually have a reason why I am scum other than a dead scum trying to lynch me?

[Trevor]

As for Trevor, after fritzler flipped, I went through his ISO to see what stuck out, and Ellibereth called Trevor conftown, and fritzler responded with something like, "I wonder if we should lynch Trevor to prove Elli wrong so we can lynch him afterwards for lying." Ie, he assumes that Trevor will flip scum (but yet never voiced any actual suspicion of Trevor as far as I can tell). So it was really weird and I think he should die for it. But manho should do it. If only I had about 5 votes.

OK amrun. Let's say that I am scum and ellibareth is town. Why would friztler bus me just to lynch a town? Did you even consider that maybe fritzler might have tried to apply pressure onto me and get me lynched?

[Trevor]

Your entire scumread on me stems from a non-serious comment that suggested the idea of a Trevor lynch. I see where your logic is coming from, but it's extremely weak and full of speculation. Have you actually read me? If you really want to get me lynched, reread me and find some shit to pin me on.

[Trevor]

Vote: manho

ehhhhh, still rather get Techno, peregrine or NS but this is OK.

[Trevor]

do we have 3 or 4 lynches today

[Trevor]

Oh hey.
I'm willing to sheep UberNinja on any wagon here. Add Amrun to my townread list for now.

Vote: TheTrollie

NS is scummy, but he is always scummy, so idk.

Interesting quote when NS had 3 votes. FOS is still on NS.

[Trevor]

UNVOTE:

GO CORY

[Trevor]

Read Zdenek's [url=http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 5#p4090855]last couple posts. I'm really mixed, as no scumbuddy would be that retarded to buddy and then rely on someone to save his ass, but it's still incredibly scummy.

Okay Trevor, explain why you thought that Frizler was scum and why you refused to do so before he was lynched.

Vote: Fritzler

Just read his iso.

Way before the actual Fritzler wagon.

[Trevor]

Spyrex and BBmolla are both town.

[Trevor]

Fritz/Spy's interaction is scum/town. BBmolla has just been in general towny.

[Trevor]

Vote: Techno

yada yada this guy is scum.

[Trevor]

Uber: If one of bbmolla/spyrex flips town, can we not lynch the other?

[Trevor]

I'd be okay with lynching Zoraster, but I don't really want to go back to lynching the lurkers yet.

Blatant contradiction

[Trevor]

Trevor, you still haven't answered my question about your case on Fritzler.

Because I don't feel like explaining to you why someone already dead was scummy.

[Trevor]

Trevor, you still haven't answered my question about your case on Fritzler.

Because I don't feel like explaining to you why someone already dead was scummy.

Were you bussing?

I would say no as both alignments. Dumb question.

I was calling him scum, asking people not voting him to read his ISO and make a read based off it. End of discussion.

[Trevor]

Have I called someone scum for townreading/not voting Spyrex?

[Trevor]

Have I called someone scum for townreading/not voting Spyrex?

Sorry, meant to say Fritzler.

Have I called someone scum for townreading/not voting Spyrex?

I'm not talking about Spyrex. Regarding Fritzler, you said,

Read Zdenek's [url=http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 5#p4090855] last couple posts. I'm really mixed, as no scumbuddy would be that retarded to buddy and then rely on someone to save his ass, but it's still incredibly scummy.

Yeah because 2307 is definitely me calling you scum.

[Trevor]

Have I called someone scum for townreading/not voting Spyrex?

Sorry, meant to say Fritzler.

Is this a buddy-slip?

No, I confused their names.

[Trevor]

oh god 102 pages

time for skimming

Claim now.

Don't claim anything.

[Trevor]

Kairyuu is already as confirmed town as it gets. No need to out otherwise hidden information.

[Trevor]

Uber, are you calling them scummy because they aren't going with your wagon?

[Trevor]

I'd assume the right since they aren't going on his wagon

[Trevor]

Lolwut. Either he was covering for someone, we had an incorrect flip, or he is insane. Also lol@the fact that you lynched ns when I was gone.

[Trevor]

Oh yeah that's who I wanted to be lynched VOTE: Trevor

You're an idiot, I am the first person who tried to lynch ns.

[Trevor]

cfj is town, so let's not do that.

Also, lol at all of our scum lynches being all the lynches of D3

PEdit: Incorrect, and even if so, bussing. Nice personal attack.

Ok explain why I am scum.

Pedit: reread better

[Trevor]

kondi is obvious town. Also the fake town cop was nked while claiming kondi and spyrex as inno.

vote: funkybike1

[Trevor]

Ok delta. Reread NS and kondi's interactions and then reread MattP's claim. If kondi was scum, the scum team would know that the claim was fake, so there would be no reason to kill a VT who could potentially make another wrong "investigation".

[Trevor]

Hi there, sorry I've been inactive, good job with the lynches. Hoopla was meh and I didn't understand the CFJ but whatever. I'm down with the funky wagon and I'm looking at a possible Peregrine lynch in the future.

[Trevor]

Funkybike would be a much better lynch than draconic. Just saying.

[Trevor]

who cares

I think everyone does if I get nightkilled.

[Trevor]

Vote: funkybike1

Lets go

[Trevor]

Fuck it.

Vote: syke

[Trevor]

petapan YYR is a bad lynch.

[Trevor]

Shit I could swear there was a good town post from him earlier after I was tunneling him. OK YYR is a good lynch sykedoc is unreadable but YYR's posts have had very little substance.

[Trevor]

OK actually there is a towntell that he wouldn't kill Amrun but his partners could probably do it and I don't really know his relationship with Amrun so

Vote: YYR

.

[Trevor]

Sleepy case is pretty good. My vote is flexible between Sleepy/YYR atm.

[Trevor]

No we think it is a manufactured reaction attempting to make the possibility of you killing Amrun less likely.

[Trevor]

after 3176 im inclined to vote YYR, still want more thoughts on my Sleepy case. Will take another look at YYR in the morning to see if its worth switching my vote

I'm waiting for a Sleepy response to the treestump claim.

[Trevor]

flipflipflipflipflipflipflip

[Trevor]

I think delta, ellibareth and kondi can be added to that list.

[Trevor]

Someone just fucking vote him

[Trevor]

VOte: PeregrineV

HEY GUESS WHO SUGGESTED THIS LYNCH FIRST

[Trevor]

Eh whatever he was useless anyways.

Vote: Sleepykrew

[Trevor]

It's one big mafia team since only one person has died every night. There might be a non killing 3rd party but that's unlikely.

I want Ellibareth to fullclaim now since he's been useless as fuck after claiming a failed daykilling role. Also he hasn't been targetted by the scumteam at all even though he is a claimed pr. Neither has Deltabacon, who is a CONFIRMED pr.

[Trevor]

BBmolla needs to die. Yes, he may somehow be town, but he really just needs to die. Too much wifom if left alive.

VOTE: BBmolla

funky needs to die also, but BBmolla needs to die sooner.

Just night kill him if you want him dead.

[Trevor]

Vote: funkybike1

just so we can avoid a bb lynch

[Trevor]

Implying anyone here has a scumread on me/thinks that they can get me lynched

[Trevor]

Not feeling zdenek scum. Who the fuck would buddy their scumbuddy that hard when they know he is going to die?

[Trevor]

Where did I say I thought funky was town?

[Trevor]

I thought you were implying you didn't have a scumread on him when you voted him "just to counter BB wagon"

I had a scumread on him and Skrew but I changed my vote to him because his wagon was bigger. Sorry for the misunderstanding.

[Trevor]

Vote: zdenek

[Trevor]

OK Zajnet's ISO is questioning, complaining, quoting, and making observations. No real scumhunting in it. My townlist right now is

LowMan/Jackal711
redff
BBMolla
spyrex
syndromeofadown
Thetrollie
Elmo Teh Azn
TeCHnoWC
Trevor
petapan
chronopie
Muffin wednesday/Kondi2424

I'm trusting other people's reads on TeCHno. It's interesting that Delta, a proven non-VT role, has survived the night kill for 6 nights. It's also interesting that the scum didn't kill Peta last night. Maybe they are just retarded because there is no incentive of killing a slot that just replaced in that wasn't even the towniest.

I want Deltabacon to fullclaim NOW because you're obviously not in danger of a nightkill. Abilities, partners, everything.

[Trevor]

Wow fucking hell you have tunneled on kondi the entire game despite everyone agreeing that he is obvtown.

[Trevor]

That would be too OP as scum. 3rd party maybe, but eh.

Vote: funkybike1

[Trevor]

And every flipped town is Vanilla. Your point? You really think mafia would get a lynch-overturning gov and waste it early into d1?

[Trevor]

Why don't we lynch the night killing mafia and let the 3rd party slowly be lynched later?

[Trevor]

OK just make delta claim all angels right now or we lynch him for not having any partners

[Trevor]

The mafia could just shoot an obv mime n1.

[Trevor]

I'm not claiming the names of the other angels. They can claim if they want but I won't out them. You can try lynching me but it will fail.

So pretty much you and the other angels are unlynchable? Any idea why the mafia have avoided you for 6 nights now?

[Trevor]

You are too scared about claiming a power role when obviously the mafia is not aiming for angels.

[Trevor]

Ok then they can claim out loud right now.

[Trevor]

Ok then they can claim out loud right now.

What's the town motivation for this statement anyway?

The fact that there's no danger in claiming and we can find the mafia easier

[Trevor]

You havent answered why you havent been nightkilled yet although you fucking claimed d1

[Trevor]

You are an idiot. I'm not even voting you and I don't even think you are scum. I am telling you that with very few mafia left, now is the time to claim. Are you even following this game? Have you even read me?

[Trevor]

Also that threat is pretty damn empty because unless you tell your secret angel buddy to switch to me you are powerless.

[Trevor]

Nice job avoiding my question. Switching or leading a lynch on me is one of the most antitown things you can do.

[Trevor]

Not much of a power role if theyve been used for jack shit as weve watched 12 FUCKING TOWNIES get lynched. You still avoided my question. Have you read me at all this game?

[Trevor]

Your "angels" have been useless outside of doing something the mafia could have easily done n1. Not only are they not scaring the mafia, they aren't doing anything for the town by staying hidden. Claim all angels and we get 3-5 people we can eliminate from being mafia.

[Trevor]

No he's town he's just following that stupid mafiascum.com theory that says you should never willingly claim a power role unless you are getting lynched or have a guilty or it is lylo.

[Trevor]

Assuming he actually has partners

[Trevor]

Delta, how bout claiming 1 person in your team of probably 5-6? Proof that a team exists will help town. It's not like scum are willing to kill you anyways
Pedit: no mos no

yeah thats fine. Preferably someone who isnt already obv town.

[Trevor]

there's a 0% chance he has a 5-6 group if they all have lynch redirect powers but at this point in all seriousness it looks like he's bluffing

I doubt scum would do something THAT fucking stupid but then again I've overestimated almost all the mafia this game.

[Trevor]

Hey deltawave, you realize I'm obvious town and that a lot of others agree with my theory? Do you realize that if I die, you have zero chance of surviving?

[Trevor]

I'm not even trying to lynch you. Do you honestly have no mafia reads?

[Trevor]

Someone proposed a better idea of you outing one partner to make sure that you actually have a partner. It seems all of your "scumhunting" is solely based on the recent events of today.

[Trevor]

The fact that if even only 1 person claims angel, we get another person clear of being mafia and that you are not some solo-3rd party/scum bluffing.

[Trevor]

The fact that if even only 1 person claims angel, we get another person clear of being mafia and that you are not some solo-3rd party/scum bluffing.

How? If someone were to claim angel buddy with him, they could simply both be mafia together.

No mafia is going to have multiple lynch overturners. Besides, if either of them eventually flip mafia, we get the partner immediately. Considering there are 5 dead goons in a 50 person game, I'm speculating there are no more than 2 mafia alive, considering the lynch required only 10 people to lynch for most of this game. I'll call any angel team of 3 or more clear of being mafia, and if only 2 are claimed and they do end up being mafia, they would have to work until 5 person lylo.

Outing them helps town, do you realize that we're trying to POE the last 1/2 mafia?

[Trevor]

So why did you use your power and claim EARLY INTO D1 unnecessarily while you are so reluctant to out your partners?

[Trevor]

Hey also where were your angel buddies when T-bone, Luffy and Hoopla were lynched? Did they all siteflake too?

[Trevor]

Hey I'm actually scared and I don't feel like dying for the stupidest fucking reason on day 7.

[Trevor]

I find it funny that out of every player here you cannot find any mafia except for me. Man you are incompetent.

[Trevor]

OK then out some of you reads jesus christ

[Trevor]

is it possible that an Angel is scum aligned?

if so then i understand the DW wagon, but if Angels are town roles then it seems very dumb

The entire premise is that if Delta is town he can overturn.