The game of the year: town won!

[Staeg]

Okay, erm, I got neither a link to this thread nor a "D1 has started come post" PM, and I'd say that it's really unlikely that I'll be reading 40 pages that are (probably) mostly composed of nothing
I see spyrex has a vote down

vote: Milk

[Staeg]

VOTE: SpyreX

This shit don't fly, bro.

Oh, and, I'd like to kill T-bone, but that Luffy person is scummy. As is techno. I'll maybe read his iso after a bit.

[Staeg]

Not just yet, no.

[Staeg]

Who would I be sheeping atm?
Okay, so you have person A being. I find person A scummy. However, person A's primary pusher is just as scummy if not even scummier than A. Anything pushed by things scummier than the wagon itself has a "you read person A wrong, stay away" sign over it.

[Staeg]

I don't know how to read Elmo's 'come at me bro' post, but obviously it screams of sus. Plus his random voting. However, I am getting more of a 'disinterested in this game because it is so big' vibe from him more than scummy - but I would not hesitate in lynching him at this point.

My accusation that Spyrex was OMGUSing Milk was not because Milk doesn't seem scummy (which he does), but because
a) Milk had not long ago voted for him, and accused one of his votes as stupid
b) He provided no reasoning as to why he was voting Milk; to me it appears to just be classic OMGUS. I could be wrong; Spyrex may have ISOd him after the vote drew his attention to him, but tbh, even ISOing people in secret that vote you and throwing votes back at them still seems driven by OMGUS and scummy in my opinion.

Elmo, Spyrex and Milk all seem pretty scummy, but at the moment Spyrex seems more so, and I am hoping the wagon on him provokes him to respond in more detail, because I anticipate he is more likely to respond intelligently to pressure than Elmo, who I think at this stage is unreadable other than as a somewhat scummy loltroll.

Okay, no

unvote
Vote: tehnowc

[Staeg]

I don't know how to read Elmo's 'come at me bro' post, but obviously it screams of sus. Plus his random voting. However, I am getting more of a 'disinterested in this game because it is so big' vibe from him more than scummy - but I would not hesitate in lynching him at this point.

My accusation that Spyrex was OMGUSing Milk was not because Milk doesn't seem scummy (which he does), but because
a) Milk had not long ago voted for him, and accused one of his votes as stupid
b) He provided no reasoning as to why he was voting Milk; to me it appears to just be classic OMGUS. I could be wrong; Spyrex may have ISOd him after the vote drew his attention to him, but tbh, even ISOing people in secret that vote you and throwing votes back at them still seems driven by OMGUS and scummy in my opinion.

Elmo, Spyrex and Milk all seem pretty scummy, but at the moment Spyrex seems more so, and I am hoping the wagon on him provokes him to respond in more detail, because I anticipate he is more likely to respond intelligently to pressure than Elmo, who I think at this stage is unreadable other than as a somewhat scummy loltroll.

Okay, no

unvote
Vote: tehnowc

Normally I wouldn't feel the need to defend myself, but you mentioned me as potentially scummy earlier, and now you are voting for me with no explanation.

I'm willing to think it's just a vibe thing gone wrong, but I am going to request reasoning behind your vote. Because the other tell I am getting is you are scum trying to establish an alleby for voting me off later in the game, should you need to.

That post was all kinds of wrong. From a weak gut-feeling about the tone to the assumption that OMGUS = scum to the assumption that elmo, spyrex and milk can be on a scumteam.
Oh, and spyspy definitely had some reason for the vote, sometimes you just don't feel like explaining it (and, no, I don't know where this vote was or what circumstances were there).


I would also feel happy with voting chevre.

[Staeg]

I'll respond to techno later today, but luffy, how is using one of the first 4 lynches on CC better? I'd say that it's worse, if anything.

[Staeg]

No, see, policy lynches SHOULD be the last lynch, because no discussion comes after the last one, whereas an educated lynch on the first 4 gives you time to discuss the flip and make a better lynch off it. I don't follow your flow of thoughts at all.

[Staeg]

someone has way too many words on one page

[Staeg]

Vote count please mod?

CC, Elmo and Spyrex, all much better lynches than T-Bone.

T-Bone lynch should not be happening.

Unvote
Vote: CC

Would rather an Elmo or Spyrex lynch, but CC is MUCH better than T-Bone.

Staeg, did you reply to my post yet?

Gotta run to uni. Again, mod, votecount please.

Nope - that'll happen about 6 hours from now.

[Staeg]

vote: T-bone

He was meh-town until the emotion-splosion and that hammer was just horrendous. Therefore, I'm making another one.

[Staeg]

I don't know how to read Elmo's 'come at me bro' post, but obviously it screams of sus. Plus his random voting. However, I am getting more of a 'disinterested in this game because it is so big' vibe from him more than scummy - but I would not hesitate in lynching him at this point.

My accusation that Spyrex was OMGUSing Milk was not because Milk doesn't seem scummy (which he does), but because
a) Milk had not long ago voted for him, and accused one of his votes as stupid
b) He provided no reasoning as to why he was voting Milk; to me it appears to just be classic OMGUS. I could be wrong; Spyrex may have ISOd him after the vote drew his attention to him, but tbh, even ISOing people in secret that vote you and throwing votes back at them still seems driven by OMGUS and scummy in my opinion.

Elmo, Spyrex and Milk all seem pretty scummy, but at the moment Spyrex seems more so, and I am hoping the wagon on him provokes him to respond in more detail, because I anticipate he is more likely to respond intelligently to pressure than Elmo, who I think at this stage is unreadable other than as a somewhat scummy loltroll.

Okay, no

unvote
Vote: tehnowc

Normally I wouldn't feel the need to defend myself, but you mentioned me as potentially scummy earlier, and now you are voting for me with no explanation.

I'm willing to think it's just a vibe thing gone wrong, but I am going to request reasoning behind your vote. Because the other tell I am getting is you are scum trying to establish an alleby for voting me off later in the game, should you need to.

That post was all kinds of wrong. From a weak gut-feeling about the tone to the assumption that OMGUS = scum to the assumption that elmo, spyrex and milk can be on a scumteam.
Oh, and spyspy definitely had some reason for the vote, sometimes you just don't feel like explaining it (and, no, I don't know where this vote was or what circumstances were there).


I would also feel happy with voting chevre.

Maybe you should look into it then before you start throwing votes around.

I never said OMGUS = scum, I said OMGUS = scummy. Big difference.

No, I meant it as the same thing, which it still isn't. OMGUS is usually anti-town, but town does it more than scum.

And I never said anything about a scumteam between elmo, spyrex and milk. Something you know there that happened to slip out?

Well, they're your scumreads, so I can only assume that you don't expect yourself to be wrong?

Care to explain your case on Chevre? That read came out of left centre

Gut.

Okay, erm, I got neither a link to this thread nor a "D1 has started come post" PM, and I'd say that it's really unlikely that I'll be reading 40 pages that are (probably) mostly composed of nothing
I see spyrex has a vote down

vote: Milk

Wow, this explains a lot.

Again, I am going to assume the positive and assume you buddied with Spyrex because you are friends from other games.

Well, that and if I'm replacing (not actually replacing, but I missed 40 pages, so it felt like replacing) into a game of 50 players there's going to be a higher-than-usual count of derps. Spyrex is one who can be trusted to purge them out, town or scum.

All I am going to ask you to do at this stage is, put the fact that you are friends with Spyrex aside, and go and ISO him, while trying to be as unbias as possible. Then come and tell me what you think.

I'm absolutely handicapped when it comes to reading spyrex. I'll either end up paranoiaing myself to the grave and help lynch spy-town or just confirming him as town when he's scum.

[Staeg]

Wait, who was the Lyncher(s)? I'm lost o.O.

Have you been on site for longer than 8 months? On your main acc, that is.

[Staeg]

HOW THE FUCK DID ANYONE FALL FOR THAT

[Staeg]

Oh, FFS.

Someone deserves rope for that...

And is lucky I'm not a role with a kill ability.

VOTE: Kondi2424

Luffy came out as bad in this gambit, not kondi.

[Staeg]

vote: Luffy

[Staeg]

Why would we EVER PL red at this point? Yes, his attitude vs kondi was annoying, but he knocked it off and that actually made me not hate this game anymore - I might read the first 40 pages of the game.

By the by, I'd also be up for a YYR wagon.

P-edit: yes, the most active pushers are most likely to be town.

[Staeg]

There are four levels of being annoyed/mad: the meeeh level, done/faked by scum and town equally, the fuck you level, most commonly done by town but also faked, the NO FUCK YOU level, usually faked by scum and the NO FUCK YOUR MOTHER, DIE IN A FIRE WHILE BEING MOLESTED BY A TREE, which is preeetty hard to fake. I'd put what Tbone did on 3. The thing is, he did it without any provocation and with rhetoric instead of caps. And it was directed at amrun, not his entire wagon, so it's not exactly due to the to-be-lynching.

Oh also also, while I do appreciate you helping to get luffy lynched, you're in horrible confirmation bias territory now.

[Staeg]

Well, anyway, red is right. Most of the smaller wagons are going to be led by town due to pure numbers.

[Staeg]

Okay, well, I fell behind about 10 pages at one point and then went oh fuck it I'll do it during the weekend

I don't think any of Spyrex/kondi is scum, but if I was forced to pick from them I'd lynch spyspy
I could easily go with driving a shaft through NS' neck
I might swing on PereV
But I prefer this one

vote: YYR

[Staeg]

One of the major reasons for this wagon seems to be playstyle.

I don't like any of the major wagons, but if I had to choose, I'd go with chevre (and before someone goes "but u called it scum olol" - this wagon is plague itself).

[Staeg]

No, I think the wagon is plague and chevre MIGHT be scum.

[Staeg]

No, manho, that's a playstyle thing.

[Staeg]

Oh right, NS

vote: NS

[Staeg]

Your theory argument implies that townies don't care if they're lynched and that scum always play by the textbook.

I'll dig up those meta links when I'm at a computer.

Pedit: play. style.

[Staeg]

VOTE: Robotnick and that's L-2.

No, that's L-1
Spyrex, do it, but know that I would've been with you all this time

Unvote
Vote: hoopla

[Staeg]

I wouldn't mind this lynch if not for A) spyrex B) the later half of the wagon spelling PLAGUED ROTTING AIDS

[Staeg]

VOTE: milk

honestly at this point i'm dealing with a theory that this is a kooky bastard game and there is an abnormally low number of scum in it. There, I said it.

The thought of a sole SK (and mimes) anti-town force crossed my mind but I dismissed it, so there's that

vote: milk

[Staeg]

Oh, and that.

[Staeg]

If milk ends up flipping scum I'm going to eat a whole box of my cookies in celebration.

If he flips town I'm going to go on a fucking rampage and eat all of

your

guys' cookies.

No, you're not.

[Staeg]

Vote: BBMolla

Only person insinuated to be not town by Rhinox day2 and didn't get lynched.

Eh, I'm VT so I don't care.

VOTE: zdenek

Both of these can't live to endgame but I'm sure we all knew this already.

By the way, guys, scum can't have more than 9 members. Otherwise they'd be able to get online at the same time and just force all lynches through.

[Staeg]

I have been prodded and will read this stuff tomorrow at school.

[Staeg]

I see that I missed something and I offer my vote to uberninja for today and tomorrow. I'll voice suspicions or the like, but.

[Staeg]

vote: BBmolla

[Staeg]

DOUBLE FURTHER, if you dont lynch either of us I will literally just throw hammers down on anyone for the rest of the game and that will be the absolute extent of my contribution.

(abluh abluh abluh SpyreX is SCUM TBone is SCUM I AM ABUBUBHABA)

Best post.

UN, talk to me about spyrex: who does a scumflip incriminate? A townflip? Why is he controversial/worse than the ten bazillion proddodge4lyfe people?

[Staeg]

DOUBLE FURTHER, if you dont lynch either of us I will literally just throw hammers down on anyone for the rest of the game and that will be the absolute extent of my contribution.

(abluh abluh abluh SpyreX is SCUM TBone is SCUM I AM ABUBUBHABA)

Best post.

UN, talk to me about spyrex: who does a scumflip incriminate? A townflip? Why is he controversial/worse than the ten bazillion proddodge4lyfe people?

Because soad's post was a not-answer.

[Staeg]

Uggghh okay. I'm not voting it and I'll be really mad if he flips town and then you all go "oh, actually no leads here".

[Staeg]

and post hammer vote on Fritz is a concern.

Why is the post-hammer vote on fritz bad?

[Staeg]

Have I called someone scum for townreading/not voting Spyrex?

...No.

What the SHIT is this?

[Staeg]

Kondi, while DW is not the brightest of players, he's not a moron, either. Do you know what non-morons do when they are asked to claim upon replacing in? They ISO their predecessor.

[Staeg]

unvote
vote: NS

[Staeg]

Matt can investigate me tonight, I don't care. I am town.

...
...
godfather spotted

[Staeg]

I'm here and I'll go ahead and sheep UN

vote: cfj

[Staeg]

Awww yeah I'm up for this

vote: Hoopla

[Staeg]

Kondi, do you know why he isn't helpful anymore?

[Staeg]

no...?

[Staeg]

Like, there's no mod guarantee that the VCs are right.

[Staeg]

Why not? It's not bastard modding.

[Staeg]

Matt claimed that he was a daycop and when questioned he REMINDED them as much. Don't give me the "oh more resultz den nites".

[Staeg]

Spyrex.

[Staeg]

No, because he wants you lynched and I don't have a townread on you.

[Staeg]

We brush it under the carpet and move on?

I mean, if you're trying to ask about whether I'd let spyspy live to endgame on his POWERFUL WIZARDRY alone, no.

[Staeg]

Uhhhhh
If you think his VCs are scum-minded, ignore them, like I've been doing (haven't read any of the non-mod VCs due to the high fail possibilty)

[Staeg]

Hi

vote: syke

bye

[Staeg]

I'm clearly not doing much to help the town.

Me, MoS, dram and elli (along with others) are just as useless, and yet we're not asking to be lynched.

[Staeg]

vote: YYR

Note that I do think this one's on scum.

[Staeg]

I'll go along with this

vote: PereV

[Staeg]

Let's kick this one up a notch

vote: SKrew

[Staeg]

Let's kick this one up a notch

vote: SKrew

thanks for buddying with me after i point out that i was suspicious of u lol

Uhhh


no.

[Staeg]

Okay so I am willing to sheep some combination of trollie/peta (more or less because of my own reads being shit).

[Staeg]

vote: MoS

[Staeg]

...and every townie so far has been VT.

[Staeg]

Yeah, I see no harm in testing DW's buddies' power.

unvote
vote: DW

[Staeg]

Killing DW SHOULD mean killing funky; it's not like his team needs the lynchstops as town in the first place.

[Staeg]

Yeah, erm, I've been keeping my head down pretty blatantly. I mean, I'm the only one doing that, so I guess I can die.

[Staeg]

Just ftr - if DW shoots anyone other than me/funky(possibly /zdenek), lynch until it dies. If not, move along with the normal plan.

[Staeg]

Yeahh, erm, triple-vote-giving to peta

vote: MoS

[Staeg]

eep eep eep

So, are you angels masons or neighbors?

[Staeg]

No, here's the thing: your power, in the hands of town, is useless. Utterly. Useless.

[Staeg]

Baaaa

unvote
Vote: zor

[Staeg]

Aaaand yet, you don't vote him?

[Staeg]

vote: techno

[Staeg]

Techno, I haven't read your wallresponse yet, but I liked MoS's rebuttal-attack.

[Staeg]

Wait, no, this is wrong.

unvote

will have actual thoughts on the morrow.

[Staeg]

Which specific parts of the VCs? Cause when I glance over them, amatuer comes out as pretty townie

[Staeg]

Good gravy you angels make me want to bash my head against a wall.

If there is a scum in the angels I would put all the monies on it being Zaj

[Staeg]

Techno, he very likely meant that hus own vote is self preservation.

[Staeg]

Yeah ok

vote: funky

[Staeg]

I have read what DW posted and will

unvote
Vote: trollie

[Staeg]

Trollie, the case on you is the best thing we've had reason-wise in a loooong time.

[Staeg]

vote: funky

I'll go with it.

[Staeg]

...oops

vote: theam

[Staeg]

That is indeed not a scumslip, but if myk added more than 9 scumteam members to this game I'm going to murder him, simply because you can control a lynch by piling all 10 votes on anyone.

[Staeg]

No, I mean, if the scums happened to be in the same timezone (or simply adapted to the need of instawinning the game), they could force lynh after lynch after lynch because they're organized.

[Staeg]

That's not what I mean, MoS. 8 is not 9, and 9 is the amount of votes required for a lynch. Try winning a 17p vengeful with 9 scum.

[Staeg]

Explain. Now.

[Staeg]

vote: cfj

aye aye cap'n

[Staeg]

vote: theam

p obv town ability

still needs to die tho

We already know who did it; I wanted to know WHY THE FUCK SERIOUSLY

[Staeg]

How the fuck do I keep doing that

vote: soad

Yes, MoS

[Staeg]

Okay, eateroftims: MoS, Zajnet and deltawave were angels. They're neighbors and each of them have a lynch-redirect ability. All of them should be used up by now (unless they're hiding something).

[Staeg]

What about the redirect?

[Staeg]

Hello, pot.

Shouldn't that be "kettle"?

[Staeg]

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VOTE: spyrex

Am I the only one who read this as a scumclaim

[Staeg]

This game's lack of dayvigs killed it.

Would you like DW with another dayvig or two

[Staeg]

Spyspy

[Staeg]

unvote
Vote: spyrex

[Staeg]

Vote: soad

[Staeg]

staeg is probably scum

When was the last time we were in a game together and you didn't say this

[Staeg]

dude
duuuuude
you want me to defend myself against "hm i guess ur scum"?
you want me to tell you that

I

am town?

[Staeg]

k

[Staeg]

Uh
soad, theam, zajnet and funky
for not being town

[Staeg]

Oh, yeah, I think feirei can get lynched after the others, I guess

[Staeg]

There, spyspy's passing is honored.

As for the game - eh, I actually kinda liked it - we were kinda unlucky that two morons and that other dude got angel roles, but the premise behind the game was ok.

[Staeg]

I would probably remove 1 mime and maybe add a goon.