Worst Role Mafia - GAME OVER!

Phillammon · Post Post #7 (isolation #0) » Sat Apr 07, 2012 9:04 am

VOTE: 2birds1stone. I reckon it's a double bluff. Oh, hullo WIFOM. In any case, I'm v/la for a few days...

Phillammon · Post Post #94 (isolation #1) » Sat Apr 07, 2012 8:16 pm

Molla: Please makeyour posts scan too.

As for 2birds, I just had a thought: How does vigjester sound? As in, he wins if he's vigged?
Waitimg for elmo's death or otherwise now.

Phillammon · Post Post #224 (isolation #2) » Sun Apr 08, 2012 8:36 pm

I'm tempted to start rhyming/giffing too, in solidarity, as well as because it looks fun. On another note, shadow, if you're planning on global modkilling, DON'T. I think my role may screw it up royally.

Phillammon · Post Post #229 (isolation #3) » Mon Apr 09, 2012 1:49 am

Your given reason or thinking that he's scum and that the shot was good was selfish- you said you found it hard to read him. I would vote you here and now, but it's not worth the effort on this device to get square brackets up. Also, you're basically confirmed innocent, which is another good reason not to lynch you. Wait. Damn.

Phillammon · Post Post #241 (isolation #4) » Mon Apr 09, 2012 5:36 am

Okay, mind changed. I won't be rhymingfor the hell of it, on the offchance that molla's recruits have to rhyme. Sorry.

Phillammon · Post Post #249 (isolation #5) » Mon Apr 09, 2012 6:13 am

That rhyme seems quite laboured, but I'll let it slide
and you're right. Your role seems to good for the inside
of a "Worst roles here!" game. I'd suspect your recruit.
Do you have to? Or can you just choose not to shoot
your powers of recruitment. Or if you should choose
not to bring one in would it be playing to lose?
This posting restriction you have is most fun-
but I will not use it once we've finished night one.
For a scholar of yours would most certainly rhyme.
I guess we'll find out in the fullness of time...

Phillammon · Post Post #262 (isolation #6) » Mon Apr 09, 2012 7:04 am

He quite clearly asked IF he had a role, not WHAT the role was, and repeatedly explained that. Stop that.

Phillammon · Post Post #291 (isolation #7) » Mon Apr 09, 2012 11:47 am

You're a neighbourizer, in other words. Not normal, but not bastardly. Maybe their roles change when they change?

Phillammon · Post Post #294 (isolation #8) » Mon Apr 09, 2012 12:01 pm

BBMolla- that last line: Was it just to keep the rhyme, or is "jason" Mr. Vorhees, you can only recruit SKs?

(Stealth rhymes go!)

Phillammon · Post Post #299 (isolation #9) » Mon Apr 09, 2012 12:25 pm

I have been told I have some skill as a poet. As a songwriter, I have won two little-known national awards jointly. I like the idea of a rhyming PR. Anyway, now I'm done bragging: to make your posts less jarring, stick to a format. I usually use 11 syllable lines, broken up as 3-3-3-2, but as long as it's consistent, it should work.
From the common roles list:

Goon Boon (benefit), Tune (As in singing a different)
Blocker Mocker-y (That's a tough one)
Father Rather, lather (as in, keeping him clean?)
Cop Mop (As in, mop up kills?)
Doc Mock-ery, lock, clock, block
Vig How do you pronounce it... or more importantly, how does the mod pronounce it...
Killer Thriller, Miller, Filler

Any roles that can mess with Post restrictions, while you probably have higher priorities, shifting Molla's to me would help a decent logician communicate and hinder me, an incompetent newbie, less.

Phillammon · Post Post #302 (isolation #10) » Mon Apr 09, 2012 2:09 pm

Okay, let's see if I can use my knowledge of the role... or what little there is... to try and divine the trigger. It will probably be to do with how much attention we give you, be it little or less.

Would it be scummy to try and detonate Moneybags? Cause if not, I think ignoring him for several pages may cause an explosion of self-centred attention whoring.

Phillammon · Post Post #306 (isolation #11) » Mon Apr 09, 2012 2:42 pm

I wouldn't be surprised if Miss Modkill comes unstuck against me too, but I could be wrong, as said earlier. Nothing else to really say, now. Gnight.

Phillammon · Post Post #317 (isolation #12) » Tue Apr 10, 2012 3:28 am

No, read it properly. His communication has been hampered a bit, but he clearly stated he didn't want a specific role, just to say if he had one. Please try reading back, I've said this every time someone's attacked that.

Phillammon · Post Post #319 (isolation #13) » Tue Apr 10, 2012 3:52 am

Apologies, didn't spot that there was a question there. I guess exploding him would only be good if he were scum, so we'll try not to. Keep mentioning Moneybag's name, to be on the safe side. I'm just interested to see if we can derive how some of the roles work.

Phillammon · Post Post #326 (isolation #14) » Tue Apr 10, 2012 4:18 am

Gmorning. My role supremely messes up anybody who has a decent role and tries to use it on me. I'm not gonna nameclaim, but trust me- cops, docs, vigs? You don't want to target me.

Phillammon · Post Post #331 (isolation #15) » Tue Apr 10, 2012 5:10 am

I don't quite see what's wrong with that, but, if we get closer to a lynch, I'll happily fullclaim to avoid confusion and WIFOM. Happy?

Phillammon · Post Post #333 (isolation #16) » Tue Apr 10, 2012 5:19 am

There may be a "Death Note" style effect like in mind screw mafia (I forget which one). In any case, without a nameclaim, anybody who targets me will turn into me, and the action will fail.

Phillammon · Post Post #335 (isolation #17) » Tue Apr 10, 2012 5:26 am

In post 335, knox wrote:
In post 327, Phillammon wrote:Gmorning. My role supremely messes up anybody who has a decent role and tries to use it on me. I'm not gonna nameclaim, but trust me- cops, docs, vigs? You don't want to target me.

Phillammon · Post Post #338 (isolation #18) » Tue Apr 10, 2012 5:34 am

From here on in, just to show solidarity and I guess sorta in keeping with my role, I may be imitating other people's PRs if I'm talking to a PRd person specifically. Just for fun.

More usefully, yes. Anyone targeting me loses their role and becomes a ditto too. Ditto is not my role name, but it's what I'm gonna go by for now, to avoid death-noting. It was specifically noted that voting me does not ditto a person, but any other action does. So I'm not sure, as I said, if you successfully modkill me, or get ditto'd. I'd suspect that you turn me into a survivor, then kill me, but I don't want to test that hypothesis. At all.

Phillammon · Post Post #344 (isolation #19) » Tue Apr 10, 2012 5:57 am

I wouldn't put it past Izak to have put a deathnote style role in- a role that NKs anyone by quoting their role name. This was used in mind screw mafia. I know I'm a newbie, so shouldn't know it- I just like to read. Also, in pennance:

Our mother, who art the mod's friend
Shadowgirl be thy name
Thy modkills come
Thy will be done
In thread, as it is in dead QT.
Give us this day our daily reads
And deliver us from mafia
As lynch those who kill among us
For yours is the best role, the power, and the glory
Now and forever.
(For reference, I'm Christian, but not above making fun of my own religion, before I get flamed into the ground for that.

Out of interest, lady high shadowgirl, is there something more to your role? I suspect perhaps you may be some kind of insecure god or something- as in, if people vote you, you die, or something. Or a douglas adams style if we prove you exist then you don't. Care to comment, or not? I'd happily accept either.

PEdit:

PEdit 2: I have no night action, so I can't voluntarily ditto anyone, and I win with town.

Phillammon · Post Post #346 (isolation #20) » Tue Apr 10, 2012 6:00 am

I think he was talking to me, knox.

Phillammon · Post Post #353 (isolation #21) » Tue Apr 10, 2012 6:12 am

Ooh. Good point. I don't know what happens if scum target me, I will ask the mod. This role is a bit powerful, but there is a power limiter on it that I will NOT be sharing, for obvious reasons. I maintain that I am not a third party, still.

Phillammon · Post Post #354 (isolation #22) » Tue Apr 10, 2012 6:12 am

Ooh. Good point. I don't know what happens if scum target me, I will ask the mod. This role is a bit powerful, but there is a power limiter on it that I will NOT be sharing, for obvious reasons. I maintain that I am not a third party, still.

Phillammon · Post Post #360 (isolation #23) » Tue Apr 10, 2012 6:55 am

In post 360, Candy Corn Vampire wrote:
In post 317, Captain Haddock wrote:So did everyone miss BBmolla's rolefishing and lying?

In post 317, Captain Haddock wrote:
Candy corn, What actually stops you from posting regulary?

So did everyone miss Captain Haddock's Rolefishing and hypocrisy?

QFT.

Phillammon · Post Post #384 (isolation #24) » Tue Apr 10, 2012 11:01 am

I've revealed everything except my role name and my power inhibitor. I think that's fair. In any case, gnight. I've read up, will react tomorrow.

Phillammon · Post Post #391 (isolation #25) » Tue Apr 10, 2012 12:20 pm

I note I haven't voted yet. As of yet, I agree that someone is being VERY tunnelvisioned. VOTE: Haddock, as my largest scumread.

Phillammon · Post Post #401 (isolation #26) » Tue Apr 10, 2012 2:56 pm

I was under the impression that a ine shot vig would be town, but damn if that isn't some good evidence right there. VOTE: GNR.
Could you repeat the questions? I can't find them.

Phillammon · Post Post #415 (isolation #27) » Tue Apr 10, 2012 11:48 pm

Quick question for knox- you limited to a single panel per post.

Phillammon · Post Post #473 (isolation #28) » Wed Apr 11, 2012 11:15 am

Wouldn't it be equally interesting if he

does

flip scum, mayhap? That would imply inside information, given the vote volume and speed.

Phillammon · Post Post #481 (isolation #29) » Wed Apr 11, 2012 11:39 am

Shadowgirl being scum sounds like *exactly* the sort of twist I'd be expecting. I'll admit it was a suspicion on the role, rather than the player, mind, so pass over it in general.

Wait a sec, did I just agree with mcqueen?

Phillammon · Post Post #487 (isolation #30) » Wed Apr 11, 2012 11:56 am

No, no, Alt is right. I was saying that having a God as scum would be delightfully twisted. What you're doing is attacking the player, and ad hominem is never good, regardless of the theoretical alignment of the target. Don't do that.

Phillammon · Post Post #488 (isolation #31) » Wed Apr 11, 2012 11:57 am

Sorry, that was @mcqueen

Phillammon · Post Post #490 (isolation #32) » Wed Apr 11, 2012 12:00 pm

I thought that the conditional acceptance would mean he'd changed. Oh well...

Phillammon · Post Post #518 (isolation #33) » Sat Apr 14, 2012 9:54 pm

Okay. For a quick reference, did anyone get ditto'd? Cause that'd be a really easy way to prove that I'm not a third party here and now, I imagine. Also, @Molla- apologies for misunderstanding what you mean by "recruiting into the game".

Phillammon · Post Post #521 (isolation #34) » Sat Apr 14, 2012 10:15 pm

Finally found the questions: I meant a double bluff by the Mod into the alignment of the guilty child. THought that's been pretty much resolved now.
PEdit: Oh hell. Policy time?

Phillammon · Post Post #530 (isolation #35) » Sun Apr 15, 2012 4:02 am

Why am I being voted? Just for reference.

Phillammon · Post Post #554 (isolation #36) » Sun Apr 15, 2012 8:27 am

Holy quoted wall of text, batman!

All the same, very good points raised there. Unfortunately, saying this alone makes me guilty of exactly what Oversoul is being accused of. Oh well.
VOTE: Oversoul

Phillammon · Post Post #562 (isolation #37) » Sun Apr 15, 2012 9:25 am

In post 555, Amrun wrote:

WHY didn't you vote Oversoul when you made a case on him, Oversoul? You WEREN'T already voting him, and that's crap.

Who was that meant to be aimed at?

Phillammon · Post Post #564 (isolation #38) » Sun Apr 15, 2012 9:42 am

In post 563, Amrun wrote:
In post 562, Phillammon wrote:
In post 555, Amrun wrote:

WHY didn't you vote Oversoul when you made a case on him, Oversoul? You WEREN'T already voting him, and that's crap.

Who was that meant to be aimed at?

The "Oversoul" address is pretty clear.

So you meant to ask Oversoul why he didn't vote for himself?

Phillammon · Post Post #604 (isolation #39) » Mon Apr 16, 2012 9:57 am

Saulres: This is my suspicious side talking, but: are you sending some sort of message to TSH there? Are you under a similar restriction?

Phillammon · Post Post #606 (isolation #40) » Mon Apr 16, 2012 10:03 am

Right, yeah, TSH is dead. I was meaning the TSH votes received restriction, and change that from message to TSH to message to your third party buds.

Phillammon · Post Post #609 (isolation #41) » Mon Apr 16, 2012 10:44 am

What I was saying was, if such a hypothesis were correct, then presenting it as a hypothesis would be a great way to confirm to buddies. As I said, my suspicious side says that. Feel free to ISO me anyway.

Phillammon · Post Post #619 (isolation #42) » Mon Apr 16, 2012 11:25 am

Right, fair enough, the heat is on, time to claim the restriction:

It's 1 shot.

I have one shot ditto'ing, then I'm effectively a VT. My role name is Green Slime, but that doesn't help much given it appears not to be in the original thread. I'll admit my posts have looked fairly scummy. I'll freely admit I've been extra speculative/paranoid because of the nature of the game. So yeah. My fault.

Phillammon · Post Post #621 (isolation #43) » Mon Apr 16, 2012 11:28 am

Pardon me, I'm green goo, not slime. But I am not a third party. Just did a search, apparently this role name has some history on the site.

Surely that should be a dead giveaway that I'm *not* the normal version of the goo?

Phillammon · Post Post #629 (isolation #44) » Mon Apr 16, 2012 11:56 am

Okay, checks have come back. Goo-ing does not change alignment, it just turns them into goo too. I was focused on third parties because that is what I'm being accused of for my role. I am not a survivor or a mafioso either. I win so long as there are no more threats to the town and a pro-town survives. I may be scummy, but that is different from being scum.

Phillammon · Post Post #679 (isolation #45) » Tue Apr 17, 2012 4:15 am

Okay. I thought my role was dangerous, not powerful, panda- in that dittoing a townie powerrole would obliterate us fairly effectively. As for what happens to scum, apparently being ditto'd doesn't affect alignment. Just role.

As for Amrun's criticisms, what I had personally meant by "anybody" was that it didn't matter about their alignment- as in, implying NKs were included in the role's limitations. I guess I had a poor choice of words there, but I was careful not to outright lie.

Phillammon · Post Post #681 (isolation #46) » Tue Apr 17, 2012 4:29 am

That's what's called out of context. That was referring to alignment, which I went and checked, as I said. Scum targetting me would stop being scum whatevers and starting being scum green goo. That is what was meant there.

Phillammon · Post Post #683 (isolation #47) » Tue Apr 17, 2012 5:00 am

Why is a survivor a LyLo liability? Surely they aren't treated as a threat to the town? Wouldn't that be basically the same as town?

In any case, I maintain I win with town, but oh well. If we had a day role we didn't need/want, there would be an easy confirm method here, I guess. I'm willing to throw myself open to Shadowgirl, if she wants to risk it too, but failing that, I guess there's little I can do, beyond intentional lightning-rodding through force of personality.

Or something like that. Besides which, the Green Goo role was used in that capacity in another game, as has been pointed out. Even if you don't believe me, You must concede that the role would have been changed, to make it a worst role...

Phillammon · Post Post #685 (isolation #48) » Tue Apr 17, 2012 5:17 am

Ook. Good point. I don't really have a response beyond "It's not me", so yeah.

Phillammon · Post Post #688 (isolation #49) » Tue Apr 17, 2012 5:46 am

So, you now have to speak in haiku. This is interesting. Any reason for the change that you know of?

(Not trying to distract, just interested. The PRs here are looking fun)

Phillammon · Post Post #693 (isolation #50) » Tue Apr 17, 2012 6:22 am

Well, I guess we did find out. I think that I may have killed him by sandwiching... oops. Or possibly the double post did it.

In response to iceguy, I have no defenses left. I've explained everything, but it still seems to be useless. I'm utterly confused as to what the scum might even resemble, let alone who they may be, so I can't get out any reads, really, either. Amrun looks the scummiest, but I suspect I only think that because of her overreaction to my two claims. Not nearly suspicious enough of anyone to vote again.

Phillammon · Post Post #698 (isolation #51) » Tue Apr 17, 2012 7:54 am

The haikus are all legit, so that's not it. Random post times seems equally possible.

Looks like I'm toast. I'm gonna throw out a counter accusation and VOTE: Amrun, but really, I brought this on myself. Sorry, guys. I reckon Tierce and Molla are probably town, from what I've seen, and I'm prepared to believe saulres is too, to be honest. That's really the extent of my reads, anymore.

Phillammon · Post Post #707 (isolation #52) » Tue Apr 17, 2012 10:31 am

In post 706, ManiacalLemon wrote:VOTE: Phil
Self explanatory.

No, no it isn't. Don't just sheep or parrot out the party line, what are

your

reasons?

Phillammon · Post Post #712 (isolation #53) » Tue Apr 17, 2012 10:57 am

In post 708, BBmolla wrote:
In post 703, Captain Haddock wrote:A. There's no benefit to quicklynching compared to lynching later, and you argued the pros if 2birds was town.
B. Is the most ridiculous excuse I've ever read. Why not quicklynch every game to be nice to replacements

A proved that roles are possibly bastard. This is really fucking important.
B, replacements voluntarily join a game, I recruited Tierce, meaning she just got thrown a PM(according to her she wasn't even asked if she wanted to play). Wouldn't you be upset if you got a role PM for a game you didn't sign up for and had to read 30 pages to catch up?

Your arguments are shit Haddock.

Oversoul wanna lynch Haddock with me?

In post 709, BBmolla wrote:VOTE: ManiacalLemon

Wait, what?

Phillammon · Post Post #717 (isolation #54) » Tue Apr 17, 2012 10:59 am

Ah, right. Yeah. You could have mentioned, mind...

PEdit: Whew, thanks for catching that- I nearly did the same... also, vote magnetism as listed in the original thread is *permanent*, not just for the day...

Phillammon · Post Post #723 (isolation #55) » Tue Apr 17, 2012 11:08 am

On Haddock's case:

Point 1 seems actually pretty good. Pushing a quicklynch is not really justifiable unless it's instant night and the scum appear to be lurking, regardless of how weird the game may be.
Point 2 I've already made my position clear on. He's disregarding what was actually said in favour of subtext. Subtext, I hasten to add, utterly contradicted by said actual wording. I'm willing to take it on face value.
Points 3 and 4 I'm not seeing the real scum implications of. I'm aware that faking a PR is nearly on par for LaL, and I know that your role was hard to crumb, but haddock's case there seems like a bit of an overreaction. I personally still think that Molla is town, but all the same haddock doesn't jump out as me as scum either.

Phillammon · Post Post #730 (isolation #56) » Tue Apr 17, 2012 11:26 am

My role was heavily modified too, I'm prepared to believe him, tbh.

Phillammon · Post Post #812 (isolation #57) » Thu Apr 19, 2012 5:31 am

Wait, know, who are you accusing of being scum? Dana, or me?

Phillammon · Post Post #815 (isolation #58) » Thu Apr 19, 2012 6:28 am

In post 813, Foxace36 wrote:Ok, I am all caught up.

Spoiler: Thoughts
wtf did i just read

Sounds about right to me...

All the same, your reads, please?

Phillammon · Post Post #823 (isolation #59) » Thu Apr 19, 2012 12:07 pm

WHAT... The... i...

Phillammon · Post Post #903 (isolation #60) » Sat Apr 21, 2012 8:50 pm

Actually, you guys are right. Oversoul is the best lynch for today, or at least the best one that's gonna get anyone behind. VOTE: Oversoul

Phillammon · Post Post #906 (isolation #61) » Sun Apr 22, 2012 12:31 am

I still fail to see why I'm a danger in Lylo- town generally are considered good to have around. Otherwise, your reads are looking pretty much similar to mine. Molla is getting scummier, but still looks like town to me. I'm willing to gamble on it.

Phillammon · Post Post #909 (isolation #62) » Sun Apr 22, 2012 2:03 am

Willco, guv'nor!

Saulres looks off for excessive reliance on nonstandard techniques- more importantly, ones he knows can't be turned back at him. Pokerface I don't agree with so much- he's at least been constructive. Oversoul I also disagree with in general, just for all around slipping. Tierce and Amrun have been making genuine scumhunts, as far as I can tell, which seems townish. Ireland has indeed been looking scummy, but the occasional townslips are what leads me to agree he's neutral leaning thick. Molla I think is town, but keeps making... interesting posts, so to speak, which make me wonder. That help at all?

For reference, I'd like to add that knox is probably town, just because it's IMPOSSIBLE to manipulate the game that much through that PR.

PEdit: Point.

Phillammon · Post Post #916 (isolation #63) » Sun Apr 22, 2012 10:47 am

Maniacal definitely- vote magnetism Will royally screw up lylo if we aren't careful. As for Chimera, his vote restriction makes him dangerous in lylo in any case, letting the scum stall for the win. So no, I guess they can't live to lylo, Oversoul.

Phillammon · Post Post #939 (isolation #64) » Mon Apr 23, 2012 9:52 am

Because he's saying theres no way I'm a scum role, and he's saying I'm either 3rd party or town. Which makes sense, I guess, as I've addressed, hence my "paranoia" about being called a third party. Anyway, to answer the question: Oversoul- I can't find the slips I was referring to in that post. What I still have is a gut reaction. This annoys me, so, I'm putting you as neutral-slight-lean-scum, just for my gut.

Phillammon · Post Post #941 (isolation #65) » Mon Apr 23, 2012 9:55 am

Because even if we are assuming my role is a recruiting one, a chain reacting reflexive scum recruiter would upset the balance by a long way.

Phillammon · Post Post #954 (isolation #66) » Tue Apr 24, 2012 6:17 am

I was referring to his use of linking people up, rather than actually giving reads. Sorry if that was unclear. I forget his actual phrasing- relational tells?

Phillammon · Post Post #957 (isolation #67) » Tue Apr 24, 2012 9:25 am

No, I didn't claim survivor. I claimed town. I guess the best way to describe myself is townie one shot reflexive recursive vanillaizer, if that makes sense. You have a point on Knox, though.

Phillammon · Post Post #959 (isolation #68) » Tue Apr 24, 2012 9:37 am

Okay. I am the green goo. Green goo, when targetted, cancels the action and turns them into green goo (meaning they lose their role), vanillaizing the original green goo. Being gooed does not affect alignment, only role.

Phillammon · Post Post #962 (isolation #69) » Tue Apr 24, 2012 10:06 am

In post 619, Phillammon wrote:Right, fair enough, the heat is on, time to claim the restriction:

It's 1 shot.

I have one shot ditto'ing, then I'm effectively a VT. My role name is Green Slime, but that doesn't help much given it appears not to be in the original thread. I'll admit my posts have looked fairly scummy. I'll freely admit I've been extra speculative/paranoid because of the nature of the game. So yeah. My fault.

Since then.

Phillammon · Post Post #992 (isolation #70) » Tue Apr 24, 2012 7:28 pm

I was about to say...

I'm more than slightly suspicious of Haddock and Amrun now, given they appear to be attacking me without checking the ISO as claimed, if he honestly thinks I changed my claim today. Dan appears to be well reasoned and thought out, though, so appears townie. VOTE: Captain Haddock, as this seems to be an agreeable lynch on one of my scumreads..

Phillammon · Post Post #994 (isolation #71) » Tue Apr 24, 2012 7:46 pm

Yes, I said there would be a limiter. I then claimed the limiter. We've already had this argument, and Reducto ad Absurdum is poor form. Stop it.

Phillammon · Wed Apr 25, 2012 12:31 pm

Okay. Molla, whatever you're doing, stop it. Unless you're going to produce evidence for me being town, you're being less than helpful.

Phillammon · Wed Apr 25, 2012 12:52 pm

Yes, but if he flips scum, suddenly I'm public enemy number 1.

Phillammon · Wed Apr 25, 2012 12:56 pm

No. Backing it up would be more useful, or at least just saying "He feels town". But I shouldn't argue against you in any case, looks like people who believe me are in the minority...

Phillammon · Post Post #1043 (isolation #75) » Wed Apr 25, 2012 8:01 pm

I'm not gonna continue protesting my role, for now. What I'd like to find out: Shadowgirl- Is your role a targetted action, or a literal request to the mod?

Phillammon · Post Post #1046 (isolation #76) » Thu Apr 26, 2012 4:31 am

Yes, I'd believe so. So if you guys are really that worried about me, I guess you could feasibly have me modkilled. If we judge by wording as written, it does indeed bypass my ability.

Phillammon · Post Post #1047 (isolation #77) » Thu Apr 26, 2012 4:32 am

...why do you say passive ability? I don't have an active one, but still...

Does your role encompass something beyond omnipotence (as in, modkills). Say... omniscience?

Phillammon · Post Post #1049 (isolation #78) » Thu Apr 26, 2012 4:37 am

I'm aware, but the fact she specified makes me suspicious.

Phillammon · Post Post #1051 (isolation #79) » Thu Apr 26, 2012 4:49 am

Not much, I'd just start speculating wildly about your role. Example: maybe you're less a benevolent god, more True Neutral- ie trying to keep things even. Like Loki. Side with the underdog, etc.

Phillammon · Post Post #1053 (isolation #80) » Thu Apr 26, 2012 5:03 am

I cannot believe that it took me this long to even suspect such a thing.

Okay then. My next question is this, and I realize that I'm using alarmist phrasing, but oh well.

Are you antitown, or is there a heavy limit on your knowledge?

Phillammon · Post Post #1055 (isolation #81) » Thu Apr 26, 2012 5:15 am

I'm asking whether you win with the town, or not. I guess protown third is feasible, but I am literally asking whether you have a town win condition. It seems unlikely if you have role and aligment knowledge.

Phillammon · Post Post #1059 (isolation #82) » Thu Apr 26, 2012 5:22 am

In post 1056, saulres wrote:
In post 1055, Phillammon wrote:I am literally asking whether you have a town win condition.

...

What non-town-win-condition player do you think would answer "No" to that?

One who is forced to be truthful due to their role? It's worth a shot, at least...

Phillammon · Post Post #1063 (isolation #83) » Thu Apr 26, 2012 5:28 am

At least we're agreed on something. I realize you want me dead for my flip. Surely there's some investigative role around here who could deal with that for you, without the inconvenient "dead townie" part.

PEdit: I am neither a third party, nor a survivor, regardless of accusations. I merely have a role that would synergise really well with those, and shares a name and a core mechanic with a third party role posted on the original worst roles thread.

Yeah, it doesn't look good for me.

Phillammon · Post Post #1066 (isolation #84) » Thu Apr 26, 2012 5:37 am

Gack. I genuinely forgot that.

Well, I guess killing me is indeed the logical course of action for today. I wish I didn't see that, but oh well.

Phillammon · Post Post #1073 (isolation #85) » Thu Apr 26, 2012 5:50 am

Well. I guess that a flip would be useful to the town, even if it is a town flip. Much as it would solve arguments, I think that saying yes now would be a breach of rule 2 in that I wouldn't be playing to win if I *requested* being turned into a survivor and killed. So I guess no, but if it gets to L-1, I think taking a hit for the town would be in order, even if it would cause me to abruptly stop being town. So my answer is no, but Modkill me if I hit L-1. That way you can use the lynch to find the real scum.

Phillammon · Post Post #1083 (isolation #86) » Thu Apr 26, 2012 6:07 am

Wait a sec: You don't know whether I'm town or not? Interesting, but I guess besides the point. I'd agree with oversoul to avoid a no lynch if necessary, but I honestly have no idea where scum may be right now. I feel there is probably scum on my wagon, but not sure where. Probably the quieter members, so Haddock, and Ice, if I had to guess, but I guess I had been acting incredibly badly.

PEdit: Haddock: I don't see how that would be a softclaim. Especially when I have already fullclaimed my entire role. I feel that transparent play is the best way to play if you're getting used to a new medium, and sometimes even when you know what you're doing.

PEdit 2: What she said.

Phillammon · Post Post #1105 (isolation #87) » Thu Apr 26, 2012 9:44 am

Rrg. So hard to keep reads confined to a single game. Anyway, I'd agree. I have been making bad moves, sure, Saulres, but not bad enough to warrant a total tunnel, I'd have thought...

Phillammon · Thu Apr 26, 2012 10:04 am

In post 1109, mafia-n00b wrote:
In post 1106, Tierce wrote:Seriously, if I die, please please please study my reads and analyze
why
I died, because then you can trust my pure and crystalline motivations.

Too WIFOMy... you could die because:

a) scum thinks you're on to something
b) scum wants us to THINK you're on to something
c) scum thinks you're dangerous
d) scum thinks you're unlikely to be mislynched
e) etc...

OH NO YOU DON'T. WIFOM may be dangerous, but if it's all we have, I'm willing to sift through. After all, the whole "Give stunning confident reads, if you're alive the next day revise your reads" thing seems to work, so we could try and at least extrapolate.

Phillammon · Thu Apr 26, 2012 10:59 am

Bastardry is order of the day, let's be fair. My money's on "will come back to life at some point". Maybe a variant on the memento cop?

Phillammon · Fri Apr 27, 2012 11:09 am

Hey, guys? I have a theory about Mcqueen's role, between his PR and a post in the worst roles thing, I could definitely envision him being a modified version of the role I have in mind. Unfortunately, as written, putting the role here would be dangerous for town, so I'm gonna let you guys figure it out if necessary. Suffice it to say, I think he was indeed town, and may well be returning. He may just be a while.

Phillammon · Fri Apr 27, 2012 11:23 am

Okay then. I'll point you at the page, but if anything comes of it, we IMMEDIATELY suspect anyone who triggered it.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... &start=175

This also applies, I guess, if someone tries to trigger it but fails. I realize it's basically nothing, but it would give us one potential reason. In the meantime, I'd like to say I'm wary of some of the interactions going on here- particularly ShadowGirl/Dana and OVersoul/Everyone. Looking back over, I'd like to here more from oversoul, but I would not be averse as of yet to an oversoul lynch. Just not until prettymuch right up to the wire. We need hunting, we need reads, but that doesn't mean we don't need speculation, surely?

Phillammon · Fri Apr 27, 2012 12:57 pm

Am I the only one who remembers that we didn't actually lynch 2birds?

Phillammon · Post Post #1269 (isolation #93) » Sat Apr 28, 2012 1:10 am

Well, I guess for me it's
1)Oversoul
2)Dana
3)Me

If we're going to arrange it like that. If there are mechanics between dana and shadowgirl, it might be worth seeing what they're like, though.

PEdit: Fair enough.

Phillammon · Post Post #1270 (isolation #94) » Sat Apr 28, 2012 1:11 am

Okay. VOTE: Oversoul L-2, I believe?

Phillammon · Post Post #1273 (isolation #95) » Sat Apr 28, 2012 2:53 am

You're really not helping yourself, Iceguy.

Phillammon · Post Post #1291 (isolation #96) » Sat Apr 28, 2012 8:51 am

Okay. I'm with the whole Oversoul today Iceguy tomorrow thing. Looking over both ISOs, I don't currently have the time to do a full rundown, but Oversoul seems to be rageflailing and Iceguy just looks incredibly scummy.

Phillammon · Sat Apr 28, 2012 10:15 am

In post 1302, inte wrote:I'm now on page ~32
Welp, time for some DotA 2!

More reading coming up later
At least you guys know I'm a pro-town player

Close. We know your role. There's a difference, albeit slight, given the role in question.

Phillammon · Sat Apr 28, 2012 11:54 am

While you're rhyming is quite good
I must make it understood,
that for all things there must be a time and place
And while you have not yet offended
Please, that theam's temper's mended
Make it scan or I'll cave in your rhyming face.

(T'is all in jest of course. But seriously, if you try to fix up the syllables, it will be less obnoxious to read. Stopping rhyming altogether would be hypocritical of me to ask, but bear it in mind.)

Phillammon · Sat Apr 28, 2012 12:22 pm

In post 1311, Amrun wrote:
In post 1310, inte wrote:I never claimed to be a cunningliguist

Who wants to guess how I read this?

Phillammon · Sat Apr 28, 2012 12:52 pm

Oh dear lord. *your.

The ragepost is what completely swung it for me. Beyond that, he's been overreacting to pretty much everything else.

Phillammon · Sun Apr 29, 2012 9:41 am

Indeed. You've already stated quite clearly that you don't care about your team, regardless of who they may be, so surely a modkill is the way to go here...

PEdit: Ooh, look. I'm willing to believe this is "bring-one-down-with-me stuff. On the other hand, could be a crumb. I'm gonna stick with the former until proven otherwise, though.

Phillammon · Sun Apr 29, 2012 10:30 am

:O

Hooray for contribution. Also, does that mean, as a dependency, you can confirm that he's dead?

PEdit: Less good.

Phillammon · Sun Apr 29, 2012 10:38 am

Wait wait WHAT?

IceGuy. IGMEOY for coming forward with knowledge unprovoked. That is, it would be an IGMEOY if I didn't already have a scumread on you, but oh well.

Phillammon · Sun Apr 29, 2012 11:08 am

Apology accepted, for the tiny amount of yelling.

Still want a claim, and my apologies for what appears now to be inevitable. I'm not unvoting yet, though, for obvious reasons.

PEdit: True.

Wait a sec. I have an idea. This came to me as a potential thing for the worst role thread, but if you have no knowledge of your alignment, this may as well be tried. If not, I've just made a random statement. Either way, here goes.

Oversoul. You are town.

Phillammon · Sun Apr 29, 2012 11:20 am

Sorry. I had this random theory about a guy whose role is whatever the last read/statement put on them was prior to death/endgame. I figure we lost nothing by me saying that, in any case. Your reaction pretty much confirms that my wild stab in the dark was barking the wrong tree. In fact, I may well be several galaxies from the right tree. Oh well.

Phillammon · Sun Apr 29, 2012 11:25 am

Let's be fair, Honest Mafioso and Peer Pressure (As I am now gonna call them) would have been great roles. If we keep getting ideas that wouldn't be harmful to try out, we may eventually stumble on something, and if we don't stumble across anything we've lost nothing.

I'd still like a further claim/discussion, but UNVOTE: OversoulVOTE: IceGuy
PEdit: What? Robot? Okay, I'll... What do you mean by take the fall?

Phillammon · Sun Apr 29, 2012 11:30 am

Oh, right, Robotnick was replaced by MN.

Yeah, that's good enough for me. If tierce and shadow seem to agree you're not worth lynching, I'm willing to accept that. Thanks for the civility, by the way. VOTE: Mafia_n00b

Phillammon · Sun Apr 29, 2012 12:28 pm

Sorry, what? What I meant, was, if you're going to claim an investigative role, then at least give some founding, explanation or at the very least context, rather than just outright saying "I know too". Apologies if my phrasing was bad.

Phillammon · Mon Apr 30, 2012 2:17 am

Quick heads up to everyone: I'm going to be in a field from the 4th to the 8th, so almost certainly a total V/LA from me in that time. If I possibly can keep up, though, I probably will...

Phillammon · Mon Apr 30, 2012 5:23 am

I suppose it's entirely possible that killing the kidnapper releases the abductee...

I'm willing to risk it. Oversoul dies if it turns out to be false? Or not?

Phillammon · Mon Apr 30, 2012 5:56 am

Okay. Let's be honest with ourselves here. Oversoul, if we did lynch you, a flip would be almost completely useless unless it outright said regular mafia goon. Which, looking at the thread... it fundamentally won't. We may get an indication as to what sort of role you may or may not have, but nearly everything has been modified beyond recognition.

You're not our kill for today.

PEdit: +1, dana

Phillammon · Mon Apr 30, 2012 6:06 am

In post 1477, Oversoul wrote:True, but if what IceGuy is saying is true then we are back to square one and I was either redirected or there is a bus driver

This sounds counterintuitive, but you're thinking of it too logically. "Mafia Busdriver" is a good role. "Mafia Selective Lightning Rod" (Could be, I guess) is an okay role. Think of this in worst role terms. If you were redirected, it was for something much, much weirder than a simple redirect. Example: maybe your role takes effect on someone above/below your target on the playerlist? (Not to cast aspersions on people nearby him...) Maybe there's a whirlpool, who takes everyones actions and switches who performed them? Maybe someone is some kind of, I dunno, switchboard operator, who can see who is receiving actions but not who they're from and what they are, and switch them around if they so wish?

Think outside the box. Then stop, cause that's quite painful.

Phillammon · Mon Apr 30, 2012 6:55 am

Gack. UNVOTE: .

Phillammon · Mon Apr 30, 2012 7:00 am

Holy hell.

I'm going to be afk a majority of that time due to timezones and other stuff, but I'll try to be as active as possible. I'm willing on an MN or an Iceguy lynch right now. If everyone else could express preferences in their next posts, please do so.

Phillammon · Mon Apr 30, 2012 7:01 am

Sorry, that was PEdit Blocked from *way* earlier. I could also be convinced to go for OS, for the flip, despite everything I've said.

Phillammon · Mon Apr 30, 2012 7:06 am

1499 was written before 1493. I now fully agree. Sorry, Oversoul, but you're going down. VOTE: Oversoul

Shadowgirl help us if this is wrong.

Phillammon · Thu May 03, 2012 10:26 am

VOTE: Brizingre

Good point MN, and out of interest- are we sure being abducted is bad for you? Might it be possible that there is an abducted QT or something?

In any case, no excuse, Briz.

Phillammon · Thu May 03, 2012 10:48 am

Wait, what?

...oops. I think you're right.

Phillammon · Thu May 03, 2012 10:50 am

Also, I was thinking the same on Gimmicky, given that. I'm gonna check gimmicky's signup, actually. May be interesting to see.

PEdit: No, I still would've. I would usually have waited for brizingre to pull off one last gasp, though, but I'd mostly likely have ignored it.

Phillammon · Mon May 07, 2012 6:22 am

You have a point on the hidden information. If it is the case, lynch me now.

I am almost certain that if it is indeed the case that there is hidden information about our roles. There is obvious information that would be hidden by mine, so I suggest that I be lynched immediately, as something is probably awry with my role that would mess up the town.

PEdit: Briz by wording given up and lied (though there was clearly *something* up there), and there hadn't been a votecount. I should have counted myself, and that was thick of me.

Phillammon · Mon May 07, 2012 10:07 am

I'm serious. A fair few of you want me dead, and I'm confident that my play, if not my role too, has been pretty detrimental to town. I'd prefer a scumlynch, but if it is the case that we all have hidden qualities, it is more than likely that I am the green goo as written, and therefore effectively antitown. If anyone has targeted me and could come forward, that would be great to clear my suspicions of myself. If not, then I guess killing me for proof of flip and therefore allowing associative tells like saulres mentioned earlier would be all I could offer.

Phillammon · Mon May 07, 2012 10:21 am

Oh. I meant the "recursive cult recruiter" version, but okay, fair enough.

Phillammon · Mon May 07, 2012 10:51 am

In post 338, Phillammon wrote:Anyone targeting me loses their role and becomes a ditto too.

In post 344, Phillammon wrote:
PEdit:

In post 629, Phillammon wrote:Goo-ing does not change alignment, it just turns them into goo too.

In post 681, Phillammon wrote: Scum targetting me would stop being scum whatevers and starting being scum green goo.

In post 941, Phillammon wrote:chain reacting reflexive scum recruiter

In post 957, Phillammon wrote: I guess the best way to describe myself is townie one shot reflexive recursive vanillaizer, if that makes sense.

In post 959, Phillammon wrote:Okay. I am the green goo. Green goo, when targetted, cancels the action and turns them into green goo (meaning they lose their role), vanillaizing the original green goo. Being gooed does not affect alignment, only role.

I'd say that constitutes having brought it up, Saulres.

Phillammon · Mon May 07, 2012 10:53 am

Oops. Shouldn't have removed the context to 941:

In post 941, Phillammon wrote:Because even if we are assuming my role is a recruiting one, a chain reacting reflexive scum recruiter would upset the balance by a long way.

Phillammon · Mon May 07, 2012 11:06 am

You're entirely correct. My fault. All the same, the one I was mostly being accused of (and that I'd remembered) was the one I was reacting to there, I guess. And here, similarly. My reaction to the actual role as written (my apologies for confusing the two) would be that a survivor doesn't all but incite two separate lynches on themselves, but that way lies WIFOM.

Phillammon · Mon May 07, 2012 11:34 am

Yep. Standard town wincon. I don't need to be alive.

Phillammon · Wed May 09, 2012 4:11 am

I can't spot it either. Apologies for my relative lurking, btw. I don't think I'm voting, but UNVOTE: if I am. I also retract my case on myself, there look to be better, *actual* scum here.

Phillammon · Wed May 09, 2012 7:40 am

Gack. Will be posting with many a typo and virtually no quotes or checkbacks for 3 to 5 business days. Posting this around all the threads it's relevant.

Phillammon · Wed May 09, 2012 8:01 pm

Oh well. Go town (probably). As for thoughts, Dana and Aul look like the likely scumteam here. Dana for reasons that everyone else has outlined, and saulres for heavy hypocritical argumens- especially in the whole molla's scum fr voting ML-Calling lots of actions on me thing. These are just heavy leans more than reads, though. Best of luck lynching scum!

Phillammon · Thu May 10, 2012 8:49 am

Here's a thought. Try Recruiting the alt of a dead player. Or straight up recruiting a dead player.

Phillammon · Thu May 10, 2012 9:01 am

My bad, sorry.

Phillammon · Fri May 11, 2012 9:16 am

Popcorn it if it's gonna be like that, but I fail to see how it could yet be in town's interest to massclaim.

Phillammon · Sun May 13, 2012 11:31 pm

@Call: I probably wouldn't have it on. I'm not afraid of the NK as a result of my claim, but if someone was going to act on me, it would most likely be an antitown with a detrimental role- meaning that accepting the kill/action would be favourable, rather than allowing them to lose their role.

Phillammon · Mon May 14, 2012 5:20 am

"Dana: So it's kind of combination Neighbourize + Alignment check?

Phillammon · Mon May 14, 2012 5:32 am

Yeah, I'm siding with dana on this one. What he said was perfectly legitimate, and the last thing we want to try here is outguessing the mod.

Also, you're a genius, Panda.

Phillammon · Tue May 15, 2012 12:22 pm

The bringer of much confusion, yes. That wouldn't be out of the question.

Actually, you know what. I'm willing to give this a shot again, just on the offchance, having read through the other thread a little.

@EVERYONE: Does your role win with town?

Phillammon · Tue May 15, 2012 12:24 pm

For the record, yes, I win with town. Just want to get the last bit of mileage out of the honest mafioso stab in the dark.

Phillammon · Wed May 16, 2012 6:39 am

Okay then. I don't win with scum.

Phillammon · Wed May 16, 2012 7:22 am

I'll happily promise a vote too. Also, don't be so harsh, I've been lurking pretty hard too...

Phillammon · Wed May 16, 2012 7:23 am

...have you excluded RedPanda or something?

...You can do that?

Phillammon · Wed May 16, 2012 7:33 am

Ah, right. Fair enough. Also, ouch, but fair enough. I can prove myself at a later date, I guess.

Phillammon · Wed May 16, 2012 8:58 am

Point. I'm not voting yet, so VOTE: inte as I have nothing better to do with it.

Phillammon · Wed May 16, 2012 9:23 am

Wait...

DAMNIT!

That was honestly me forgetting...

Phillammon · Sun May 20, 2012 9:50 pm

That's a solid Wut from me. Avatar is obvious enough, but any guesses/references on chrono mage? Aside from paradox inducing editor one, I have nothing on it.

Phillammon · Sun May 20, 2012 11:47 pm

Good catch, but he said mafia are all male. He didn't say anything about werewolves or scum in general.

Phillammon · Mon May 21, 2012 12:03 am

Well, that's a confession, then.

Phillammon · Mon May 21, 2012 12:25 am

Thanks, that derailed my reaction test fairly hard.

Phillammon · Mon May 21, 2012 4:51 am

I'm also gonna VOTE: Haddock for *that* post.

Pedit: How is that a slip? That's a different thread to what I was talking about. That's the sort of thing I'd have expected Amrun to softclaim or at least crumb as a town role, but the only mention of time manipulation so far has been in relation to the post editor guy who self-paradoxes.

Pedit at saulres's other post: We've already concluded that there are two scumteams...

Phillammon · Mon May 21, 2012 4:56 am

Oh fer... THERE HAS BEEN A "MAULED" KILL FLAVOUR, IN ADDITION TO "KILLED", EVERY NIGHT! DO THE MATH!

Phillammon · Mon May 21, 2012 5:07 am

In relation to the first one, no, seriously, I mean that effectively being a modified JOAT is something you could and probably should claim. Good point on the last two though. I have to admit, looking from the outside, I would vote me. May I add to the pile the AtE in 1063, 1073 and 2109?

Phillammon · Mon May 21, 2012 5:24 am

I...
Okay, hands up if you *don't* have a PR...

Phillammon · Mon May 21, 2012 5:25 am

(Post restriction, I mean)

Phillammon · Mon May 21, 2012 5:28 am

Oh, right. Got it. That makes sense. Good thinking.

Phillammon · Mon May 21, 2012 5:46 am

The linked one would have me having lost already- it requires me to get killed by each of those each day. Surely if that were my role I'd have actually tried to have one of those things happen?

Phillammon · Mon May 21, 2012 7:24 am

Um...can't spot the insult there...

Phillammon · Mon May 21, 2012 7:37 am

Oh, right, okay, got it, shutting up.

I'd like to hear from haddock now about his opinion on the wolves, just because I'd like to hear *everything* from him, and this is as good a subject as any. Actually, point there: Until tonight, we have no guarantees that the werewolves actually were werewolves, as opposed to a single werewolf. Just sayin'. (And not even then, if they're wanting to screw with us...)

Phillammon · Mon May 21, 2012 8:21 am

I am not responsible for any kills, as far as I am aware. I have not sent any actions during any nights, as my one and only ability is passive, that being a recursive vanillaizing by the name of "Green Goo". I honestly cannot spell it out any clearer than this.

Phillammon · Mon May 21, 2012 9:04 am

You made a vote, attempted a reaction test thus derailing another, and replaced your vote. What are we failing to listen to?

Phillammon · Mon May 21, 2012 9:06 am

Have any of us disagreed/moved our votes?

Phillammon · Mon May 21, 2012 9:54 am

I am Town.

Besides which, we've already had odd coloured flips, like "Oh, who cares". Sorta. (Also, colourblind. I thought it was brown (As in, werewolf fur...))

Phillammon · Mon May 21, 2012 10:02 am

Okay. My bad. What about the guilty child, though... unless that was a total bastard role...

Phillammon · Mon May 21, 2012 10:10 am

If he were, he would have used it the other times I tried to bait out honest mafiosi

Phillammon · Tue May 22, 2012 2:33 am

I think I have a crazy idea about the button:

Saulres: I (That is, myself, Phillammon) request you press the button

As for the whole voting thing, MN, what about molla's vote back when inte was ML, eh?

Phillammon · Tue May 22, 2012 2:44 am

Claimed and confirmed, might I add.

Phillammon · Tue May 22, 2012 5:34 am

And haddock's when you'd just spent a page telling me off for it?

Phillammon · Tue May 22, 2012 5:37 am

If the red button does what I suspect it does, You might not have to...In case wording is relevant, which it probably is:
Saulres: Press the Button.

Phillammon · Tue May 22, 2012 5:47 am

In post 2182, mafia-n00b wrote:
In post 2170, saulres wrote:I have a big red butt

From now on, Saul, I will forever know you as "baboon man".

+1

Phillammon · Tue May 22, 2012 7:52 pm

Okay. If you're able to not press it after being requested, my idea is wrong. I'm not liking mcqueen at all here, if I'm honest. Does izak usually allow conditional actions?

Phillammon · Wed May 23, 2012 9:09 am

Okay Saul. I am cool with that, on two conditions.

First: You are kept on a leash, so to speak. And liable to get lynched at the slightest provocation

Second: We want your other were-buddy too.

Phillammon · Wed May 23, 2012 9:26 am

We already know that there was one special ability, but specials are a dime a dozen here. I think it's safe to say we all have at least one.

Phillammon · Wed May 23, 2012 9:29 am

While I'm at it, everyone: I WAS RIGHT! There *WAS* an honest mafioso... sorta... except it was a werewolf... and kinda not the original role, apparently...

Phillammon · Wed May 23, 2012 9:52 am

I'm am cool with you NKing me because then my role is FINALLY proven.

Phillammon · Wed May 23, 2012 10:14 am

My word. Blocking Briz?

That's... inspired, I'll give you that. And thouroughly devious. I tip my hat to her.

Phillammon · Wed May 23, 2012 10:15 am

And the day-ender looks like the *really* special in question, yeah.

Phillammon · Wed May 23, 2012 10:36 am

Saul: I hope you're taking notes.
Trevor: Srsly?

Phillammon · Wed May 23, 2012 11:03 am

VOTE: McQueen

The *situation* with Phillammon? The gist of what you said, from what I could decode, was that you were gonna let me through to LyLo, then lynch me. As we've just proved that I'm not a wolf, let's assume for a moment that I'm self aligned 3p- like you have been doing, may I add.

Does that constitute a threat to town for the purposes of winning?

Congratulations, you gave scum a quick and easy hammer out of lylo, whoever they may be. No, I don't think you can keep that opinion now we know who all the wolves are. Hence, a vote. Please correct me if I made incorrect assumptions.

Phillammon · Wed May 23, 2012 11:09 am

I am town aligned. I win when, and carefully not precisely quoting here, all players who could harm the town are eliminated. We already know there are 2 scum groups and 2 flipped 3ps so far alone, with one possible 3p in the Oh, who cares. Please, for the love of all that's good, believe me! Tomorrow, Haddock can restrict me, if saul has used up my goo-ify, if it's really necessary.

Phillammon · Wed May 23, 2012 11:29 pm

Oh, hell. Have we considered the possibility that Dana may be dead already? As in, silently killed/Daykilled?

Phillammon · Thu May 24, 2012 4:57 am

Panda: First, what the heck, man. Second, more importantly. I think we need to call in the Clue by Four, here. If he claims SOMETHING HAPPENS TO HIM. That is what he's practically outright said. Several times. I'm still INCREDIBLY with dana on this one. As for Red, I still suspect you, MN and Haddock to varying degrees.

Phillammon · Thu May 24, 2012 10:00 am

Holy Multivote, batman!

Is he... Is he really...?

Phillammon · Fri May 25, 2012 2:32 am

Because he got a wincon by masonizing her?

Phillammon · Fri May 25, 2012 2:40 am

Sorry. He just kinda already did, I thought.

Phillammon · Fri May 25, 2012 5:30 am

And as I said, I'm confident enough that no-one burned through my shot yet that I'm cool with it. Especially as it friggin confirms me already... I'm fine to switch to haddock too, but mcqueen is still in my sights.

Phillammon · Fri May 25, 2012 5:40 am

*confirms my role

Not confirms me. As you've said.

Phillammon · Fri May 25, 2012 6:46 am

He is now...

Phillammon · Fri May 25, 2012 7:16 am

Unfortunately, also true.

Phillammon · Fri May 25, 2012 8:11 am

Go for it. If you can't, I'll hammer.

Phillammon · Fri May 25, 2012 8:14 am

VOTE: Captain Haddock

Phillammon · Fri May 25, 2012 8:14 am

Here's me hoping you didn't poison the vote or something. Hehe.

Phillammon · Mon May 28, 2012 10:41 am

Yeah, I'm disliking how McQueen is playing, and I'm not convinced it's the PR that's causing that. I agree with the dana lynch, but before we quicklynch, could we please discuss how we're going to continue from here?

Phillammon · Mon May 28, 2012 11:09 am

Hey, McQueen. Give it up. You just dropped your PR for a paragraph.

Also, If it's so vital that I die because you don't believe my claim, then WHY HAVEN'T YOU SHOT ME!

McQueen is likely faking. We will see just how much next time izak posts.

Phillammon · Mon May 28, 2012 11:11 am

Oh. Fair enough. So, the vig shots. I'm pressing through on this one. Why have you yet to shoot, if all of your predictions have been spot on?

Phillammon · Mon May 28, 2012 11:22 am

No-one was buying the "there's 4 wolves" explaination. As for haddock buddies, I'll read back. You will note that there was a protracted conversation about why I was a liability to take into lylo if I was a survivor, but you appeared to miss that. Plus, I note you claim to be two shot. Tomorrow will most likely be lylo, so you missed the window in which you could safely take either shot. Hence my not believing you further.

Phillammon · Mon May 28, 2012 11:32 am

My mistake. Misread from the "2WN" that preceded it.

I'm willing to genuinely believe that you simply didn't use it, but it just seems off when you've spent the best parts of several posts telling us that we're retarded for not lynching the people you think are scum while holding a kill for yourself.

Phillammon · Mon May 28, 2012 11:36 am

Did you just claim scum, or claim bad play?

Phillammon · Mon May 28, 2012 8:10 pm

We had an endgame jester flip, which would probably be the equivalent of a scum survivor that reads as 3p- Ie has to be killed in the endgame.

Phillammon · Wed May 30, 2012 7:03 pm

@CFJ: Actually, that's a good idea. I checked with the mod, factional abilities aren't wiped by my ability, but the rest of the role is, so presumably that would cure the PR. And if you are

still

worried about me being 3p, if we've run through all the mafia then I freely offer myself and presumably mcqueen, if he agrees, up for lynching.

Phillammon · Wed May 30, 2012 8:23 pm

I win when all threats to the town are dead, and at least one townie player is not dead.

Again, being careful here, but it is a standard town wincon, as far as I can see. If my wincon is anything else, then izak is being an absolute bastard mod. I have suspected this may happen, hence offering myself for the lynch if wiping out the mafia doesn't end the game.

Phillammon · Wed May 30, 2012 9:03 pm

Alright then, I would say intent to hammer ending claim, but as there isn't one, intent to hammer pending defense.