WoT Mafia, GAME OVER

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Hey, Day!

Vote: Mariyta

- post 18 looks like fishing for a cop claim.

/me lurks until we can play mafia and not role specualte.... I have no clue about anything from the series....

I always wonder why people sign up for themes they have no clue about...

Because we like playing mafia. Hard to grasp isn't it?

Vote: Mr. Flay.

. That's eight.

FOS: Tamuz

Last time I saw a rythming role they were mafia.

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There are a lot of games here on this site. Why play a complex theme you know nothing about?

Why not? This might actually motivate me to go read the books.

Also, major

FOS: mmod

for voting me and putting suspicion on Tamuz at the same time. If you don't believe him, why are you voting me?

Who said I didn't believe him? It certainly wasn't me.

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See, Tamuz could be one of four things the way I see it. A mafia (fellow or not) selling you out for a gambit, a cop, a watcher who saw you go to a dead player, or just a townie who thinks you're scum.

The last one is the least likely. The other three are more likely, though with his conviction it seems more like he's the cop or a mafia pulling a gambit. The FOS was just for that. The small chance he could be mafia pulling a gambit (and because last time I saw this restriction they were mafia).

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make sure the man does not have enough rum

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That would suck.

Unvote

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Are talking about real-life mind control or some sort of flavour?

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Vote: Karn1.

The points brought up before were valid, and my role did have a last name.

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Can we just finish this already? It's dragging on and on and no one is posting. Someone just kill him.

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Okay can anyone identify them as mafia/town?

Three kills a night is alot. This means we have two mafia-groups and a SK, one mafia group and 2 SKs, or we have a vig.

I'd rather like it if that if its the vig, that he stop firing.

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Lynching scum does not always mean it's the best play. Cult leader/SK I believe to be better plays on day three in a large game.

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If voting,

unvote, vote: Yosarian2.

100% is pretty good.

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Yos are you a neutral?

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I'll get with whatever damn program I feel like. Don't try and judge my actions when you don't know everything.

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No. Your comment rubbed me the wrong way and pissed me off. I reacted as much.

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I find it unlikely that a townie would be so utterly unhelpful to the game, and as such, I voted him. Not because I don't like his attitude, but, because it doesn't help the town whatsoever for people to act in that manner, in fact it accomplishes exactly the opposite, and I'm 'pretty sure' that preventing the town from making progress is exactly what a scum would want to accomplish.

First of all I'm not like this always. Second of all, you reacted to me because of my attitude. I reacted to PJ because of his. Does this make you utterly unhelpful too?

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Unvote, Vote: ChannelDelibird

. Pure bandwagonning.

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The flavour seems more like untargettable then doc to me. I am hesitant as everyone else is, to lynch the claimed doc. I, however, don't believe that there are two complete docs in this game, and my vote will stay here for now. I really don't have time today to review anything, sorry about that.

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When did MBL say he was collared? Night 3 or 2 or 1?

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I'm not sure if it's the right time to come out with this info, but w/e. Before this collared thing gets anymore guessed upon about it stopping, it hasn't. I have role-based information that Babyjesus was collared before he died on night 3.

I actually like Theory 2 alot, and Theory 1 to some extent. I'm still not sure about MBL, because I feel like he defended Flay, Karn, and Mariyta, and they all ended up being non-town(it's possible that Taim was actually the Vig, but, this seems unlikely to me). However, his immediate suspicion of CD yesterday, even if only for reasons that he knows, makes him seem more town to me. So..I'm not really sure there, but theories that support the 'someone tried to collar me' theory certainly help.

That makes him MORE suspicious, I'd say. He defended all the non-towns, and in an effort to look more town ratted out his mafia buddy.

CD WAS scum right? His claim didn't match up to who he actually was.

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I actually like Theory 2 alot, and Theory 1 to some extent. I'm still not sure about MBL, because I feel like he defended Flay, Karn, and Mariyta, and they all ended up being non-town(it's possible that Taim was actually the Vig, but, this seems unlikely to me). However, his immediate suspicion of CD yesterday, even if only for reasons that he knows, makes him seem more town to me. So..I'm not really sure there, but theories that support the 'someone tried to collar me' theory certainly help.

That makes him MORE suspicious, I'd say. He defended all the non-towns, and in an effort to look more town ratted out his mafia buddy.

You're misrepresenting my behavior, mmod. I didn't defend Flay per se, I pointed out that Tamuz was coerced to keep his vote on Flay for day one and thus we should view that vote with a grain of salt. I defended Karn so much as to say we should be cautious about lynching a claimed power role. And I don't believe I ever defended Mariyta, I only cast suspicion upon her, which means you either misread something or just made some bullshit up to try and discredit me.

Sorry for the confusion, I was actually basing what I wrote on the quote I had quoted, so all my information came from there. I don't actually remember what happened.

Vote: Yosarian

What exactly is channeling?

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@MBL: The mod told me.

Thx for the explanation PJ. Now, I'm 90% sure that the collars are used to control (or stop if they can do that) channelers and that I'm 60% sure that when xGreyJoyx claimed his name he was neutral and now Yosarian is probably scum of some sort, if what Illumina said about xGreyJoyx claiming to be black ajah (from what I gather is scum of some sort in the book) and Yosarian claiming to be someone else.

Note: This second point is very speculative, but I'm fairly sure at least one of the masons started out as neutral, if not more then one.

Have any of the nightkills have characteristics of someone using channeling to kill someone else?

Obv I haven't read the books as you can tell. Can someone tell me the flavour between the masons? How are their characters related?

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The fact that he claimed to be who he was makes me think he was neutral to begin with. If he was scum, then why the HELL would he claim it?

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I'm saying that Yos is lying about his name-claim.

Is his fake name-claim part of the Aes Sedai?

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What does balefire do btw?

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Hm. Well. Must've missed that.

I have more information about stuff. Some might be harmful to town if I let it out, I'm not sure, but also it would help the town too. Should I bother revealing in case I die tonight?

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I said I was 60% sure. Not insisting on anything here.

If you are who you say you are then: xgreyjoyx lied about being scum or you magically change roles when you get replaced.

If you aren't who you say you are then: xgreyjoyx was reckless and he actually was scum to begin with, xgreyjoyx simply didn't know he was scum, or xgreyjoyx started out neutral.

I find it more plausible at the moment that you are lying about your nameclaim.

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Does it matter where I got the idea?

The point is that what the person who is ALIVE is saying doesn't match up to what YOU'RE saying. That's why there's the speculation of what xgreyjoyx was thinking/saying and why you are currently being voted.

FOS: Cyan

. We do obviously need the third mason to clear up who's lying and who's not. This could all be a simple misunderstanding and you're saying of "Illumina gets lynched tomorrow" is very scummy to say, especially since you're advocating this lynch without all input from people who know what's going on.

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Just so there's no confusion. I'm lead to believe that BJ dying and BJ getting collared are mutually independent of each other.

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Well, before anyone gets their panties in a bunch, was there anyone who DID NOT POST day 2, but posted day 3?

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Just waiting for spamwise here.

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I'm assuming the first him refers to spamwise and the second him refers to yosarian?

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In past games I've played all night-coversations, if recorded, were given to the replacement, or the general gist of it.

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Not by the mod, by other players. I don't know about others, but I tend to keep all my night-pms until game's over.

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Hm. Should I bother ability-claiming? It's pretty obvious at this point what my ability is.

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Oh, if

that's

your information, you should be fine without claiming today. Good to know. ^_^

Not sure what you mean here. If

that[

refers to my ability then no. I have extra information about OTHER stuff relating to the game.

Unvote

until we get my saying information thing right. Not sure how much it is to lynch, and I don't want someone to speedlynch before we clear this up.

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Well it's pretty obvious to me it's not.

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It doesn't explain my inquiries on the traitor thing, or the who didn't talk thing.

The clarification was because eventually (if not already) someone would mention his death and the collaring, and I didn't want people to go off saying this is evidence collaring = death, which I guess, in a way leads people to believe I'm the collarer (I'm not)

Info not already known:

Apparently night 2 someone ordered someone else to kill themselves, but they didn't (kill themselves that is).

Night 3 babyjesus was collared not long before he died. Apparently someone (in general, not the person) was found, and I don't like the fact that he was found, but it seems to be good.

Not sure if I should release this, but I know that there are people who can stop, direct and protect from channeling.

This is the one fact I was really hesitant on releasing, but I've basically breadcrumbed it for people who actually have this role and didn't know the specifics, so I guess it's better for the town to know. There are neutrals who can become non-neutrals. See, this was my whole mason-traitor thing I was going on about, but I suppose the neutral in question, if he didn't know he could turn, has figured it out by now from my insistence on the mason-traitor.

Vote: Yosarian

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Wait, don't get too happy. See, the way it was worded is ambiguous. Hm, I need to check wording with the mod so as to not modkill myself.

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Well that was scummy considering there was still things to discuss.

The mod hasn't gotten back to me, so I'll use a "safe" version of what I was going to say.

About the neutrals. The pm was basically worded thus: there are players whose allegiances haven't been decided (neutral) who can indeed be turned to the dark side (there was another word used instead of dark side). Now, it doesn't say that they can be turned to the light side, but its very ambiguous. It sorta gives off the feeling that they can be town, but still, I'm not clear on this one, so... best off lynch the mafia before anyone turns to anything.

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Gleeman got back to me, but the basic gist of it is still the same. The part that is ambiguous IMO is that he used the word "indeed". "... and can indeed be won to the shadows". This gives the feeling that it's able to go both ways, though it isn't specified.

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Okay so lets lynch Yosarian today and worry about Spamwise tomorrow.

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Would it be possible for you to explain how Ashaman's work? So you were not aware of who your Ashaman was?

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I'll claim when I need to, though it might be a bit early to do mass-claiming. Since we're not at LoL, I personally think that we should wait to see what information we can get without claiming before going to that stage.

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If need be I can name-claim. I'm pretty sure that'll clear me.

I'll have to run through the thread some time to figure out what's exactly going on with others.

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Anonymiites' role matches up with information I have, the part of "can protect from or stop channeling". There's still a redirecter, or controller somewhere, which a mass-claim will hopefully out.

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Waiting on skylink here.

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I'm Thom Merillon

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I'm assuming you thought Tamuz was Thom.

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Is there something wrong with Skylink claiming Alanna? Or is there some other case against him?

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Skylink is Alanna Mosvani, BJ was Sedai. I'm not familiar with the books, but they are the same person?

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I see. I'll wait for his explanation, but most likely my votes going to him.

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So we're lynching Skylink, yes?

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Does it matter?

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EDBWODP: As in which we lynch and which we vig.

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Well if Skylink is scum then no-kill. If he isn't, we should probably decide on a target at this time.

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Vote: Skylink.

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unvote, vote: skylink

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HAMMAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111

Or do we need more?

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I'm not really against the war of attrition.

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Well, this must've happened once before, based on the info that said "someone was found" info I have, which leads to me to believe that "someone" disappeared first.

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The info is in the post where I said all the info I had. It's some pages back.

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Well I'm fine with PJ's plan. Vote:

Lowell

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Well I'm fine with PJ's plan.

Vote:Lowell

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I gotta take a raincheck until tonight. It's frosh week at university and everyday is filled, and I don't have time right now to search up all my PMs, just a heads up. I'll be on tonight to post it all.

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I can either get info about the setup, or info about the night before. I get this because I play the great game (?).
Night 1 choice - neutrals which can be won to shadow.
Night 2 choice - can protect, stop and control channeling
Night 3 choice - night before: TSS vanished, player ordered to kill oneself (refused)
Night 4 choice - night before: BJ collared before he was killed, someone was found, which I don't like, but is good
Night 5 choice - there are ones who can communicate, though unknown to them some can't be trusted.
Night 6 choice - night before: MBL did not catch anyone, Illumina collared
Night 7 choice - night before: not much hostile intent (I'm guessing nobody sent in night kill choice)

What do you have against that word?

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Is there someone who could possibly turn him that's been killed/claimed?

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3.) MMoD learns something about "can protect, stop, and control shadow" (I don't understand this one)

That's a "channeling" instead of shadow. So I'm assuming the protect against means doc, stop means role-block, and control means M-M (who is the collarer).

I'm still confused about the lordy thing. So lordy was in the game, but the mod deleted all his posts and said he wasn't in the game?

PJ: That's a good interpretation of what my actions mean. I'm not too sure about the M-M thing, but I think M-M might be a good lynch, since he controls balefire (so I'm lead to believe), and there have been deaths with that. Also, if he is a neutral of some kind and we DON'T lynch him, there is a chance of him suddenly winning the game with a kill. I think Illumina would know if he were ordered to kill, hence why M-M decided to not kill the few days before or whenever.

I'm going to keep my vote until we come to a consensus.

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Imma hammah then.

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Or do we want to address whatever it is Illumina brought up? I actually had my Hammah post written out before I saw that post.

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I totally bsed the last three night results, hence why everything I said was obviously true. It was so nail-biting when we had the game in the bag (as town) to suddenly getting recruited, and then having I think, 2 recruits fail.

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I had alot of fun with this game, even though I had no idea what any of the flavour or people were. I think PJ did a very good job of killing and directing the town, though the cult wormed it's way to victory.

For night one, about the won to the shadow thing, did it mean cult too?

Did you come up with results for me on the spot for the "learn about game setup" part, or was there a premade list?