WoT Mafia, GAME OVER

[ChannelDelibird]

Fuldu Silverbow was killed by something with a paw. A paw must come from an animal. And what do you get from an animal? Meat.

Vote: mystery meat of doom

[ChannelDelibird]

I'm so sick of the joke-votes that go "such and such was killed by something, and it has something to with so and so's name"

Vote:ChannelDelibird

- Who's laughing now?

It wasn't intended as a joke vote. =/ It was the best connection I could make and I don't believe random votes are of any use.

[ChannelDelibird]

It wasn't intended as a joke vote. =/ It was the best connection I could make and I don't believe random votes are of any use.

While they may not serve a direct purpose, sometimes certain people will react very strongly to an initial vote (even though it's clearly stated as random). It's a good way to start off determining who may be scum.

I guess that makes sense. Anyway, I might as well stick with voting for the meat of doom for now, it's as good as random.

[ChannelDelibird]

FoS: Channel Delibird

until there is a little more elaboration.

If you mean in terms of why I made the name connection, here is the link to a game I played in which we successfully lynched a scum by making a name connection. It may have been bad modding, I don't know, but it's worked for me before. BTW, the name-connection is made on the first post of the page I linked to.

[ChannelDelibird]

If we assume that The Forsaken are the Mafia, perhaps the black ajah are a cult and Padan Fain is an SK?

The motivation is plain to see
The black ajah is neither you nor me
rather this man it be.

For he hides in impossibilities
While tossing out incorrect realities
Just wait till you see the words into which he flees.

The man tries to flavor talk
So freely his group can walk
But we must call him, and make him balk.

Does this not also implicate Yamahako as trying to stir up false role ideas? I'm not so sure that's so much scummy as curious, but IGMEOY Yamahako anyway.

[ChannelDelibird]

I am going to

vote: Karn

as well, as despite being tempted by Mr. Flay I think we should wait at least another night for Tamuz to more clearly define his role.

[ChannelDelibird]

Damn, must have forgotten to unvote.

unvote: mystery meat of doom, vote: karn1

[ChannelDelibird]

After Tamuz's last post I'm pretty sure that we don't have enough evidence on Mr. Flay to do anything to him yet. Karn looks the best bet for now.

[ChannelDelibird]

From what I gather, the suggestion is that someone has a role that can force people (in this case Tamuz) do post in a certain way or vote for a certain person, maybe both. I'm trying to think of an appropriate character in WoT, but my knowledge of the series is limited...

[ChannelDelibird]

While I'm online, I might as well reiterate my earlier point.

ChanelDelibird: saying his ridiculous first vote on MMOD

wasn't

a joke vote. WTF?

As I've said before, the only games of Mafia I'd played before weren't really serious and death scenes were written as clues to who committed the crime. This name-connection voting was the main method of lynching in those games. But after a couple of weeks reading games on this site I've seen the light. That's why it wasn't a joke vote.

[ChannelDelibird]

Unvote: Karn1

No point lynching a claimed coppish role yet. Unfortunately that's got me fresh out of lynching ideas. I'll have a reread.

[ChannelDelibird]

I'm pretty convinced now that Karn's claim is implausible. There are too many small problems with the role and flavour and of course his scummy previous behaviour. Time to

revote: Karn1

[ChannelDelibird]

I'm actually leaning more towards Karn trying to implicate Mariyta on purpose. He must have known when he claimed that he still had a good chance of getting lynched, and so I wouldn't think that he would allow one of his scumbuddies to be implicated so easily the next day. But of course there's a nice healthy dose of WIFOM in all that...at least for now I don't want to vote Mariyta.

I'm interested to see what Tamuz has to say today.

[ChannelDelibird]

Not yet. I notice that the person Tamuz accused (Mr. Flay) turned out to actually be guilty.

[ChannelDelibird]

*snip*

So if I understand you correctly, the person playing Rand Al'Thor forced you to vote for Flay? Interesting, but given your record so far I'll follow you on this.

Vote: Mariyta

[ChannelDelibird]

I think he's saying the vote is merely based on what you've said. Anyway, thanks for clearing that up Tamuz, I will therefore

unvote

based on the reasons I gave at the start of the Day.

[ChannelDelibird]

Vote: ChannelDelibird

Fairly sure he's scum.

If you could actually give some reasons behind that...

[ChannelDelibird]

Vote: ChannelDelibird

Fairly sure he's scum.

If you could actually give some reasons behind that...

I'd rather eat nachos.

[read of MBL's posts pending]

Wouldn't we all.

FoS: SpamWise

Interesting points on MBL. He does seem erratic and distrusting of the Flay wagon, but I've read a couple of games he was/is in and it seems to me that he's naturally cautious. I'm not 100% convinced but I'd like to get some explanation on your actions, MBL.

Vote: MrBuddyLee

[ChannelDelibird]

I'm reasonably happy with the explanation you've given.

Unvote

The problem with your claim of being attacked by a collarwielding maniac is that it's not confirmable until it fails again, the chances of which I would imagine being much slimmer than it succeeding otherwise the role would be useless. But I'm not a fan of using probability as damning evidence, because as long as there's a 1% chance the circumstances are still possible.

[ChannelDelibird]

Well, this game needs to get moving but I don't think Mariyta is a good lynch.

Vote: armlx

[ChannelDelibird]

I'm not voting for Mariyta because I don't believe that Karn would have named a colleague as an innocent in what was obviously a risky claim. I've made this point before, so I'm not sure why you're so adamant that I'm trying to protect scum.

[ChannelDelibird]

Having just read a bit about Taim on a couple of WoT sites, I'm actually more suspicious of Mariyta as a result of the claim. Not enough to hammer though.

[ChannelDelibird]

That's a lynch, isn't it?

[ChannelDelibird]

It does say in that quote that he was

now

in free control of his soul. I would like clarification from Tamuz as to whether that was just poor wording or there was an element of control before that.

I feel I explained everything regarding my non-voting of Mariyta and questioning of you yesterday, MBL.

But today I'm going to

vote: SpamWise

. Yesterday he attacked me, saying he was 'fairly sure I was scum' without giving an explanation further than that, now he's dropped it today and said instead that he's fairly sure Yosarian is scum. Make up your mind, SpamWise, and give some evidence.

[ChannelDelibird]

Is there any reason we're voting for themanhimself other than the fact that Fritzler feels like it?

[ChannelDelibird]

Is there any reason we're voting for themanhimself other than the fact that Fritzler feels like it?

FoS: ChannelDelibird

.

You're next on my list.

dotdotdot

Actually, I just read over themanhimself's posts and it didn't take long because there were only two. I know he replaced but there was a 10-day gap in between them. I suppose there is some justification on the wagon (I hadn't thought there was any reason because I hadn't noticed themanhimself at all during the game).

[ChannelDelibird]

Is there any reason we're voting for themanhimself other than the fact that Fritzler feels like it?

Curious thing to say when you could sort by poster and figure it out yourself. I understand that's what you eventually ended up doing, but you did it under coercion and that gets you way less than half credit.

You're still more than half scummy in my eyes. A read of all your posts shows a tendency to be inordinately influenced by Tamuz's posts. That's a behavior I attribute to scum wanting the cover of a safe entity for their actions. I'm not saying Tamuz is scummy, I'm saying that you're putting way too much weight into his posts, and you're not a newb so I find that entirely scummy. You're taking cover.

Actually, I just read over themanhimself's posts and it didn't take long because there were only two. I know he replaced but there was a 10-day gap in between them. I suppose there is some justification on the wagon (I hadn't thought there was any reason because I hadn't noticed themanhimself at all during the game).

This rings hollow.

I place value in Tamuz's posts because he pointed the finger at scum on day 1. That could be good intuition or behavioural analysis, and if so, great, or it could be scum throwing his buddy under a bus, in which case paying attention to Tamuz's posts might allow me to see any evidence behind that possibility. His restriction is one of the more interesting things in the game and is worth taking continued interest in.

[ChannelDelibird]

I distrust the source of that '100% evidence', so no Yosarian vote for me.

[ChannelDelibird]

I don't quite think MMoD exhibited a true scum tell there. If his role has anything to do with neutrality, or finding neutrality, then he was being silly saying that so blatantly in-thread. How often do you see games where neutral roles are just mentioned off-hand without any evidence of there being a neutral role? It doesn't happen. The fact that he asked a claimed

Mason

if he was neutral was so silly I had to slap a FoS on him.

I won't speculate on what I think MMoD may have been trying to achieve with his question at the moment. I will probably start poking at him tomorrow, though, if both of us are alive.

Why aren't we lynching ChannelDelibird yet?

Confirm Vote: ChannelDelibird

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Could you tell me exactly what the points against me are, please? You seem very vehement and it'd be nice if I had something to defend myself against.

[ChannelDelibird]

I'll admit the DBird lynch is one based less on pure evidence than on gut feeling, but I honestly think his post history is the scummiest of those who remain. I think he's fairly likely to turn up dirty.

Seeing as it's very difficult to defend myself against gut feelings, it's probably in my best interests to claim now. I am Valan Luca, a doctor. I protected Mr. Flay N1 and Tamuz on N2 & N3.

I'm still happy with my vote on SpamWise by the way.

[ChannelDelibird]

I don't see how Valan Luca could be a Doctor, there are loads of better WoT choices for that. Plus, it really makes no sense whatsoever as far as Luca's character goes. I know that you shouldn't put too much stock in flavor to determine game mechanics, but, Luca being a Doctor makes about as much sense as Nynaeve being a Super-Cop.

I give my target cover in my troupe for the night. I'm not sure flavour-wise how that doesn't make any sense.

[ChannelDelibird]

Didn't he say
He protected Mr. Flay
Who died that day?

I protected Flay on Night 1. He died on Night 2.

[ChannelDelibird]

Bah.