Beck First: I had the pleasure of recently completing
a game with Beck in which I pegged him as scum very early and I was just half assing it because I had a lot going on. bobsnox replaced into that game and by reading the scum QT there was already bad blood between the two. As I was reading this game Beck did not strike me as scum. But when he replaced out it struck me as very very odd. This is a guy that posts 20+ times a day and looking back at the time he replaced out he didn't slow down in any other game, nor did he replace out of any other game. In the other game where he was scum, he was almost ready to replace out when they were on separate teams. Can you imagine how frustrated he would be if he was scum with bobsnox? I don't have this slot at the top of my scum list. Probably not even in the top five, but if bob were to flip scum I would have to look hard at this slot. I would also assume that if bob and Beck were both mafia, they had day talk.
Now Blonde Doctor: She has 13 posts so not a lot to go on here. The only real note I have on Blonde Doctor is in
this post I see a link to Hiraki/Deathnote. The comment in question is this:
Blonde Doctor 1654 wrote:Hiraki said something funny in regards to Umbrage. It sounded like he was trying to defend her and sluff her actions off on being a VI instead of them being scummy, while still allowing for the possibility of being on her wagon by calling it a "policy lynch."
Finger of Supicion: DeathNote
I like the sentiment and in fact I have lots of examples of Hiraki doing this. However, that's the problem for me. I felt like it was such an over the top thing that it could be discussed in the QT and this might be a small bus here given the FoS instead of a flat vote. It gets tangled in the middle of the post instead of popping out.
Claim:
None Yet
Verdict:
Null Leaning Scum pending flips of Hikari or bobsnox
So the big things for me surrounding bobsnox is his push on the kendall wagon. And his bread crumbing of buzz light year
here,
here, and
here. I can buy the claim, I don't have a problem with that but I have a theory (yes, I might have lots of these not all of them will be true). What if Nanook is really Buzz Lightyear? It would make sense given that Buzz was in the machine with the aliens in Toy Story 1. Also, someone already said that the mod has given scum main character fake claims in the past. As a mod, I also try to give my scum at least one big character fake claim in theme games. Anyhow, it could be that they set up this bus last night and that is why bob is saying "lynch me and find out". Because if Nanook flips Buzz lightyear, then we know that bob is lying. I know it's a little left field and I am not basing my world on it but there is definitely scum in Nanook/bob I feel pretty strongly about that. And given the reactions to the claim (repeating "scum or town PR" over and over), I believe bob is the lynch for today.
bob, given that you are on the chopping block, I would really like you to explain the quote below:
SpyreX 877 wrote:Bob if you sheep me RIGHT NOW I guarantee you 3 days of life.
bobsnox 878 wrote:haha that's ironic. I'll tell you why later.
Claim:
Buzz Lightyear, bulletproof
Verdict:
Scum
First, there was the
random questions that he never followed up on and he also had specific questions for Beck, bob, nintendo (SpyreX), Silver(Juls), mike, Nanook, soda, donjosh, and diddin. If he ever flips scum then at least one of these will be guaranteed scum. The only post that seemed genuine was
this one where he talks about the reasoning for his questions. After that I am really not crazy with the way he is vote hopping. Two particular instances:
here where he blindly follows Rainbowdash without being caught up yet, and
here where he votes NtW. He also noted this:
chkflip 935 wrote:On second thought, you can grill me D2 all you want. I think a different flip will heed much greater results.
Unvote;
Vote: mb53
meta reasons - his current play totally matches mbscum.
I wonder if anyone else can back this assertion up? I have not had a chance to follow up on it. To be honest, I think what this slot needs more than anything is a replacement. Sooner rather than later.
Claim:
None Yet
Verdict:
Null
Hiraki first: Hiraki is a gold mine of scumminess. First, in
this post he stakes his life on kendall being town. I will agree that it was a no brainer that kendall was town but this post makes me feel like I just sat on a toilet that had pee on it. It just grosses me out and reads as scum who knows who is town. Then he starts to try to move the attention away from Umbrage
here. At first I just noted it as a maybe but then he got carried away by keeping on
here,
here, and
here. It was just so overdone it did not feel sincere. Another point: he gave his list of reads
here but despite several request would never explain his formatting. And then he
acts insulted that no one can figure out his reads and says he gave a list. Yet another point was
this case on Ray Montano that feels completely contrived. But wait, there's more. No troll-scum is completely without the
fake rage post. And then the kicker:
this post reads like scum that knows too much a la Reckoner in Speed Mafia. As scum, he would know that Umbrage was a power role as opposed to a goon.
I don't know if he is just a troll or not (and maybe others can speak to that) but he really comes off as reverse bussing of Umbrage. Plus all the other stuff above.
Now Deathnote: Well he really hasn't done all that much other than counter claim Lenny the Binoculars. But if scum have fake claims then he would have known to do that anyway. I don't really see anything redeeming about this slot.
Claim:
Lenny the Binoculars, Townie
Verdict:
Scum
I kinda thought based on the "OMG diddin is getting the power" that he must be so obvtown it hurts but I just didn't see it as being that obvious. There are others who are way more protown than him in my opinion. Just a quick overview of my notes:
Post 254: A good push on Flavour Analysis but I am not 100% convinced it isn't a bus but I would still say I am leaning town on this post.
Post 699: Good points on Hiraki's defense of Umbrage. However, again, I can't 100% say this isn't bussing.
Post 879: I was kinda taken aback by this post. I had not gleaned that he was suspicious of Rainbow, Spy, and Glow until this point. Maybe it got muddled in all the other posts but this surprised me especially considering how oppositely strong my reads on them were.
Post 1128: Could be sincere but could also be scum knowing that glow is not bopeep. Reads as possible scum with external information.
General: I am not liking or understanding the point of the softclaims.
Even though I have suspicion of diddin, every post I reference could go either way.
Claim:
None Yet
Verdict:
Null, Leaning Town
There are 2 people in this game who if they flip scum I will march straight over to the Scummies thread and nominate them for Master Manipulator. farside is one of the two. For the most part my notes on farside consist of "good posting", "town posting", "I like this post", "same thing I noted", "farside is town". I seriously do not have one thing I find suspicious about farside. I have played with farside before and have played recently with her as scum. I also moderated a game that just finished where she was town. I feel I have a good read on her. This is town farside. Just for completeness, here are the posts that I added to my farside town scrapbook:
48,
73,
240,
778,
1140,
1294,
1329,
1363,
1369
I'm digging farside in this game.
Claim:
Alien #2(?)
Verdict:
Strong Town
The one that I have the most notes on. At first I was so sold on them being scum I couldn't even wait to finish just to vote them. Then it started getting a little more muddy and I find one head to be way more scummy than the other head and then the claim. My head is a big mess for this slot. I will try to summarize at the end but I am just going to hit all my notes and kinda leave it as part of my legacy in the event that I am dead it can be looked back on. I don't know if I am equipped to make a judgement on this slot. Also, please FA, do not respond to everyone of these. Some get obsoleted at later points, some things changed. This is just here for historical purposes. I don't think I have the strength to get in a posting war with you.
Raw Notes on FA:
| 68 | strange first post. Some sort of breadcrumb? Normal behavior? |
| 70 | specific questions for nintendo, bob, beck [look back here if any flip scum] |
| 87 | A little too "overhelpful" for my liking. something about this post doesn't read sincere. Is this an alt? Hydra, July and Ranmaru |
| 124 | More questions. I get the feeling there is a lot of questions being asked but no conclusions
being drawn. |
| 152 | Puts Nanook as town, I don't see it. Also votes umbrage as scum for little reason. Looks like
a bus. |
| 153 | Asks kendall views on chk, nannook, umbrage. Why these three specifically? |
| 181 | More "too nice" posting. rubs me wrong. It's insincere. |
| 245 | Abandons Umbrage without a word as to why. |
| 273 | OK, now the July head seems to be bussing Umbrage. |
| 409 | Hmmm, post seems genuinely annoyed at kendall. Does that actually mean this is town annoyance or scum? Is annoyance only a town sentiment in cases like these? |
| 419 | And we're back. The constant push for thoughts on Umbrage knowing his flip bothers me to no end. |
| 450 | If all else fails, call out lurkers. |
| 626 | Overexagerated rage. |
| 684 | Another "what is your read on" question. |
| 687 | Doesn't want to rush the lynch appears a townie sentiment but given the wagon is in the direction of scum, it loses it's steam a bit. Reads: agree with Hikari and the reasoning behind it. Disagree with ALL of the Ranmaru reads. Either we have Ranmaru who is obvscum or Ranmaru who is town that looks scummy. July posts come off more townish. |
| 706 | More "helpful" BS. I have to decide if the Ranmaru head just gets on my nerves or if they are scum. |
| 754 | The Ranmaru head is oCD/control freak maybe? Incessantly asking for thoughts on plan for toys |
| 784 | LOL, I am reading this post and thinking "wow, this is actually good responses". I get to the end and realize it comes from July. I definitely have different reads on the two heads. July is good scum/town and Ranmaru is bad scum/town |
| 930 | The end of this post gets a few town points for explaining the questions. |
| 998 | If town, needs to use less words. They use 50 words for things that could be said in 10. Also, if FA asks me my reads on single fucking person I will ignore it because this is getting ridiculous. |
| 1035 | And we're back to FA asking questions without real reason to be asking them. |
| 1154 | Gets town points for noticing what I saw from Nanook (unvoting with still leariness) |
| 1278 | Claims one-shot vig that killed Soda. |
| 1282 | Claims Woody |
| 1547 | How does she figure the FC lynch netted a scum? |
| 1548 | Good catch +townpts. |
| 1589 | Suspects Rainbow as scum and jailkept her. Rainbow claimed first, that almost wholey confirms Rainbowdash as town in my opinion. |
I told you it was a lot! The main thing I have going on here is if I just don't mesh with Ranmaru's playstyle or if it is a scummy slot. There are definitely some questionable things going on. The claim is hard to believe given that we have already got a flipped jailkeeper and a 3-way vigilante. My fear is this slot is a
Mafia Jack of All Trades
.
Claim:
Woody, JOAT
Verdict:
Null, Leaning Scum
I'm not going to spend a lot of time here. This slot is clearly town. kendall was so obvious it hurt. inHim hasn't really done anything, but what's new? On general note that I did make was that kendall and Yamichan should get together and play a game of mafia. Can you imagine the pain? (that is, if kendall isn't actually a Yamichan alt)
Claim:
None Yet
Verdict:
Town
There are a few things I dislike about jmurph. First was the double RVS despite lots of other stuff taking shape. I don't care how hard she tries to defend that as a real vote, it was NOT serious. I made note of
this quiet departure from the Umbrage wagon. But I also have notes on
this, and
this which I am not sure what to make of given Umbrage's flip. A few other posts I felt were contrived. Specifically,
923,
990 (although I felt guilty about this one), and
1579. Maybe the better word is "off". These posts just seem off.
Claim:
None Yet
Verdict:
Leaning Scum
I started out with a solid town read on mikehart but a couple of recent posts have shaken that somewhat. I really liked his reads in
718 but what bothered me is that it took 700+ posts before I recorded ANY notes about him at all. He continued on with good posts
723 and
783. My big trouble post for him is
1384. It really reads like he might have more information than town. I still have a slight town feel here and we have so many more scummy people that I am leaning town on him.
Claim:
None Yet
Verdict:
Leaning Town
Throughout all his posts I have had a scum read on him. Mainly it's just a general vibe from his post but there are a couple things that raised my hackles:
149 When he said the following, I about spewed my drink on the monitor. It could be a simple mistake or a slip.
NanookTheWolf 149 wrote:If that looks as though I'm trying to back you up b/c you're my scum buddy
I am not really sure why, but
312 kinda gave me ties to Umbrage. Though, I admit, I can't quite explain why. Also, remember, I reread knowing Umbrage's flip so
this also looked pretty damning for Nanook. Also, I have my bob/Nanook scum together theory too.
Claim:
Alien #3
Verdict:
Scum
I had a town read on Beefster up until he left. Sure he was all over the place with his reads but I could tell he was trying and it felt authentic. What I don't have are specific instances that are like "here...this guy is town". There was one thing Oversoul mentioned that bothered me but I want to keep it to myself for now.
Claim:
None yet
Verdict:
Null, Leaning Town
Other than the fact that he won the prize on day one and he claims to have used his 1-shot doc prize on FC I don't really have much else to note about him. He is slightly lurky but even when he is here I take no notice of him. The only strong thing I have against him is in
574 where he votes DonJosh though he has never mentioned him and gives no reason. His top 3 suspects the real-life day before were Ray, Umbrage, and Beefster.
Claim:
None yet
Verdict:
Very Null, Slight Scum
When DonJosh had this slot I couldn't decide if he was lazy town or scum. He had an opportunistic vote on kendall I didn't like
here and I didn't like the
just lynch me plea. I have liked petroleumjelly's post much better. Especially
1056 and
1172 where he claims. (Note: I have an answer for you at the bottom of the thread regarding the prize timeline)
Claim:
Slinky Dog
Verdict:
Null, Leaning Town
I might very well be the only person who has a town read on Ray and trust me, that scares me. Real early he was one of the first to start scumhunting in posts
42 and
64. I am a sucker for players that start the ball rolling on conversation. Then, in
667 he seems like frustrated town and I can sympathize with that. I also made note of
944. This pretty much solidified that he was at the very least NOT scum with Umbrage. An Umbrage partner would have to be pretty ballsy to say that. He has a a couple other posts that I could note if anyone is really interested but this post is massive and I am moving on. There were a few things that did bother me though.
-
352: I really disliked this post mainly because he didn't change his vote from kendall. It just didn't sit right in so many ways.
-
1084: I was watching for someone to unvote Umbrage with hesitation in doing so because I think scum would do that to look "right" when all is said and done.
-
1053: I think this very well could have been a scumslip. What he meant to say was "town" but instead he said "scum". Given the flip it looks like an accident.
So, yeah, I said town but maybe it's more like more town than scummy.
Claim:
None Yet
Verdict:
Slightly Leaning Town
So there are several, several, several reasons that I have a town read on Rainbowdash but when it comes right down to it, the neighborhood vig claim of a blocked kill before Flavour Analysis admitted to jailkeeping her sealed the deal for me. One thing I want to focus on, however, is her belief that scum can't be in the neighborhood because that gives mafia an extra kill. I disagree. I think 2 town and 1 scum in a 3 person neighborhood balance nicely. 1) because scum knows who NOT to kill and it is anonymous, 2) scum can knock one or both of the townie's off if they start getting on the right track. So yeah, you seem to get stuck on these theories of yours (similar to the 2 scum team thing). You have to think logically and it is pretty likely that one of you are scum, and given the 3 in the neighborhood there is a HUGE chance that one is Nanook.
One more thing I want to throw out there. I do think Rainbowdash is town but there is one little "theory" I had that scared the living bejesus out of me. I will copy it verbatim from my notes. I will rely on you all to tell me if you think it holds any weight.
Juls' notes wrote:Oh shit, what if Rainbowdash wants to lynch DJ today so Umbrage would be investigated at night and flip innocent. She really is pushing for a DonJosh lynch. Crap.
Claim:
Alien #1
Verdict:
Solid Town
Remember way up there ^ where I said I had two extremely strong town reads. Well this guy is the other one. I recently caught SpyreX scum in [redacted] *brushes off shoulders* :p so I feel like I can read him pretty well. But as obvious as SpyreX town is, I actually had good vibes from nintendo as well. I don't have a scrapbook for SpyreX like I had for farside mainly because it was so blatantly obvious I stopped taking notes on him. I did kinda get a chuckle at
1463 where you got a little hacked off about the gambit of Fourseen Circumstance. I seem to recall when we played Speed Mafia that one populartajo pulled a gambit that pissed us off at the time but ended up winning the game for us in the end. So, I am becoming less and less aggravated by gambits I find.
Claim:
None Yet
Verdict:
Strong Town
I have already stated my reads on his predecessor, mb53, in a previous post (see quote below):
Juls wrote:I can go ahead and let you chew on that one if you want (but then I am off to bed):
(based on mb53, haven't got to TJ yet)
Post 390: "Takes his place" on the Umbrage wagon. I think scum would take the opportunity to at least bus his buddy here or do something more than resign to the wagon.
Post 585: Strong town sentiment from this post. This is something I had already noted about Peregrine (that he list his 3 top suspects and then a day later votes someone completely different).
In general, mb53 reads as town doing their best to keep up but falling short.
I don't have much else that I have added for Jak though. So I feel like even if this slot is town, I should have a better read on it on page 71.
Claim:
None Yet
Verdict:
Null
Alright, I have a couple more general things to note (as if this post wasn't long enough). First, in response to petroleum jelly:
petroleumjelly wrote:In that vein of inquiry, I would like a very detailed timeline of exactly how things went down. When did you see the trivia question? How long did you take before you submitted your answer? What were you doing when you noticed it? How far in the game were you while conducting your reread? What spurred you into immediately answering it?
I was reading the game and periodically refreshing my bookmarks list to see if anything was going on in my other game and such. I saw Scott post and thought it may have been a votecount. I didn't even think that it would be a problem. I was only on about page 13 so I hadn't even seen the first prize trivia yet. In my head I was thinking "I am town, this needs to go to town." I didn't know it was announced in thread which would stop scum from being so greedy. It was a mistake and if you guys want to harp on it for all of eternity go ahead. It isn't going to make the trivia reappear or take the prize away from me. It is what it is. Move on. If you can't tell from this post that I am town then you might as well lynch me. At this point I don't really care as I feel I have went above and beyond to make my contribution with this post alone. That doesn't mean I am going to stop being active, but at least I know my reads are in thread if you do lynch me.
The second thing I want to bring up is I am really surprised that no one mentioned the miller flip of Fourseen Circumstance and that it is so odd that he was able to nail Flavour's kill like that. I don't know if anything is to be gained from it but it was such an interesting series of events it feels like it should be talked about. Maybe not.
Final point, just a reminder that I would still like to know who the original kill choice was for the neighborhood prior to the switch last night.
I may expand on this more in the future, maybe not. I have tons of notes but I didn't want this thing to be bigger than it had to be. I am not a wall poster for the most part so don't expect any more of these for the duration of the game. If there are spelling/grammar errors I apologize, this post took about 3-4 hours to write and I really don't feel like proofing it.
Vote: bobsnox
(I almost forgot)
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