Brightest Day Mafia, Part 1 - GAME OVER

[zMuffinMan]

Oh, and ftr, I've called every single lynch this game correctly. Every. Single. One. My voting history is this: Toogeloo, Apok, Ghostwriter, Ludi, Ludi, Ludi. Yeah, I've literally only voted for scum this game. Funny that. My 'scumdar' doesn't seem all too flawed, really.

[zMuffinMan]

I've said multiple, multiple times that I don't think Nikanor is acting like town. His playstyle doesn't make sense. It made no sense for him to go from saying 'This is my favorite game' to a sudden loss of enthusiasm and lurking/sitting-back and not responding at all. That is why I was willing to get him lynched because I felt confident that he was CR.

Walk me through this thought process, because I'd argue your playstyle doesn't make sense.

So, he's not "acting like town" because he's less active?
And you think he was suspicious for being really, really active early and saying it was his favourite game before having his activity suddenly decline. Why did this make you think he was CR?
Is it that you thought he didn't know he was CR until D3 or something?
What other things about his play made you think he was CR? Did the fact that he was jailed by Toast N1 mean nothing to you?
Why were you so confident that you were willing to gambit like that? What if *gasp* you were wrong?

FTR, are you saying right now that you think I'm scum and want to lynch me?

No, I think I said quite clearly I'd prefer an Andrius lynch because I think he's a scum roleblocker. You're probably not a roleblocker. If you are mafia, you're much less of a concern. Plus, I am thinking about targeting you tonight, anyway.

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If you've got an ability to stop multiple players/the entire scum team, then great. If you can hit three players, go ahead and block me, Tans, and Nik since whoever the power stealer is, it's almost definitely one of us three.

I can't target more than one player, but if I get it right, it essentially screws scum over.

Btw, if any of the WLs have gained an anti-cult power (e.g. something similar to Subliminal's "cure black recruits") let us know since that could mean we have 1 recruit floating around.

WL abilities gained were pre-determined, so not sure what you mean by this.

Also, with OS's fake Track/Watch claim, town investigation roles make more sense (Regular Cult-Cop, Mafia-Cop, and Tracker, with 1x Watcher mason).

ftr, the ability I used N1 was a modified watcher ability (I learned what roles targeted someone), and I also have a 1-shot watch ability now. It would not surprise me in the least if one or both of hiplop and Nikanor have investigative abilities as well, which is why I'm skeptical of BB's claim (because, quite frankly, it's a brilliant safe-claim - as much as a doctor is a brilliant safe-claim)

Is Nik's reaction consistent with being Sinestro, mafia aligned WL?

I don't think Nikanor is mafia.

It would mean that Sinestro would be the only scum player to get a WL fake-claim (Antrocitus and Nekron not getting one with Sinestro getting one? Um....) I also don't think he was bussing three of his partners like that, and some things he's said so far and his thought processes in regards to different things have made me think he's town.

Yeah, he's lurking, but whatever. I don't think he's scum. It's far more likely he's really a WL.

[zMuffinMan]

Post it.

[zMuffinMan]

@BB,

How would OS have confirmed you as town? He was delayed N1 and jailed N2 and if they tried to recruit you N3, they wouldn't have known you were town prior to that. Meh, for argument's sake, I'm willing to call you town for today because I have no intention of lynching you over someone I think is a scum roleblocker.

@Kast,

I can't multi-block. I think it'd be helpful if I claim what my ability actually does, though.

Also hiplop has soft-claimed some sort of powerful ability as well.

[zMuffinMan]

@Kast,

Did Ludi actually claim that all of his cultees died with him or was it just OS? OS started as cult, I think that was a different sort of relationship.

I'm pretty sure Sinestro wouldn't count as a WL for the purposes of the game. Pretty sure it's only the people who received a task (12 labours). Also, even if Sinestro were a WL, he'd still need a 12-labour-WL fake-claim that isn't Sinestro...

I understand the situation with the D1 daycop thing and your stance on it. I think you're wrong. In any case, it doesn't matter today at least.

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@BB,

I didn't even read Ludi say that. I haven't even tried to interpret that post because I skimmed over it. Maybe he did daycop you. I don't particularly care. It can be discussed tomorrow. You're not the lynch today. Be happy about it.

[zMuffinMan]

Why would I bother when scum

should

kill you tonight?

[zMuffinMan]

btw, you're claiming your target before we go into night phase. Because I don't want to target the person you claim. If you're targeting Kast, I'm targeting tans. vezok can target the same person you target.

[zMuffinMan]

This:

Toast->Nikanor
Muffin->Kast
Blackberry->tans
vezok->tans

Unless there's any objections.

[zMuffinMan]

Oh, and may as well do this while I'm around

VOTE: Andrius

[zMuffinMan]

Um.

A kill shouldn't occur.

If you jail Nikanor, he shouldn't be able to kill (and technically, neither should you). If I target Kast, he shouldn't be able to kill. If vezok targets tans he shouldn't be able to kill and BB will get a result on him.

hiplop is the only one who could perform the kill if you and vezok are telling the truth and follow the plan.

[zMuffinMan]

(that's assuming Andrius is mafia roleblocker and by lynching him we get rid of possible roleblocks from mafia to hinder the plan)

[zMuffinMan]

hiplop is the only one who could perform the kill if you and vezok are telling the truth and follow the plan.

+BB

[zMuffinMan]

Hey BB,

Should I gambit with my night actions and leave Kast unblocked?

[zMuffinMan]

Thinking about watching you. Sounds better than blocking Kast.

[zMuffinMan]

The black lanterns live!

[zMuffinMan]

Is Kast scum, Andrius?

[zMuffinMan]

Nah I think we're looking at another 12-hour twilight so plenty of time to discuss things.

[zMuffinMan]

Well. I can watch you.

[zMuffinMan]

I can't do both on a single night. I had no intention of blocking BB, I was going to block vezok if not you. But watching BB is much simpler, unless they have a ninja role or another form of roleblocking.

[zMuffinMan]

dat's OK. I'm a redirector, too

[zMuffinMan]

Yeah but if vezok delays me AND performs a kill (holy crap, really, 2 night actions and a GF?) and I don't get a night result....

[zMuffinMan]

Simple solution: if a kill goes through on BB and I don't get a night action result, lynch vezok. And if a kill goes through on me and BB doesn't get a night action result, lynch vezok.

And if no kill occurs, then we go from there.

This is assuming that Nikanor('s replacement) is found before night ends and performs a night action if he has one, to verify whether he was blocked by Toast or not. Pretty sure all bases are covered and the only way both BB and I could not receive a result is if vezok is scum.

I might be confusing myself. I need to think about this.

[zMuffinMan]

We can do that.

Toast->Nikanor
BB->Kast
muffin->tans
vezok->tans

hiplop can decide what he thinks is best around this. nikanor('s replacement) should perform a verifiable night action if he has one just to verify that Toast blocked him.

All bases covered. Sort of.

[zMuffinMan]

Uh oh. I think you're gonna be modkilled for that, Andrius.

[zMuffinMan]

Paranoid I'm going to somehow end up dead tomorrow and town is somehow going to lose this :/

[zMuffinMan]

Because... you're checking him...

[zMuffinMan]

Muffin - you're forgetting Toasty could be mafia .-. ...

Yeah, but if Toast doesn't block Nikanor('s replacement) and Nikanor('s replacement) successfully performs an action, then bam. Toasty lynched.

We could always revert back to the original plan if you really want.

I block Kast
You check tans
Toast->Nikanor
Vezok->Tans

hiplop whatever.

[zMuffinMan]

gg.

I'm just disappointed that I let hiplop and nikanor coast because of their claims and ignored the obvious scumminess.

meh.

I liked my abilities, though, and it was a fun game while I was alive.

[zMuffinMan]

Can we get a list of night actions and a list of what happened to particular abilities when they were powered up (if there's a list like this)?

[zMuffinMan]

(also I'd like to know what happened to abilities I downgraded as well and which ones I'd actually roleblock)

[zMuffinMan]

Btw, I was really very sad when you adjusted the plan so that you were no longer self redirecting me (that was a very obvious claim btw). I didn't think it was safe to ask you to stick with the original plan.

I wasn't trying to hide the claim, I made it very obvious what it was when I said I had potential to destroy the scum team and I was a redirector, etc etc. The reason I changed things up by altering the plan with my watch ability is because I knew I'd made it obvious and scum could always choose not to kill because of it. I always planned to use my roleblocking ability that night - I was never going to waste my watch ability on BB.

The only problem was I didn't take into account the possibility that mafia could submit both their personal actions and the night kill and I gave too much credit to hiplop based solely on his claim when he was obviously playing in a scummy way and active lurking. meh

[zMuffinMan]

Do you have a list of how upgrading/downgrading affected different players?

And what would have happened if I had downgraded an upgraded ability?

[zMuffinMan]

He crumbed Andrius targeting Tans...................... Look at the order of his crumb - JADE ANDY TANS.

It's just that tans claimed to have targeted Andrius and in an ironic twist, Kast realised he could capitalise on this to make it seem like he tracked tans