Verbose Mafia 2 - Post or Perish (Game Over)

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So? Anyone wanna point Fritzler to the rules?

Anyway I'm looking forward to the actual game. Tamuz'll probably be getting my "random" vote and nomination. I mean, he's obviously scum. If he wasn't, he would've said something by now.

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Aye, it'll be fun, but why "tomorrow"? Why wait when you can lynch him today?

And I have a lemon. It is a fun lemon. The lemon speaks to me at night of the great trees of its youth. It's quite touching, to be honest.

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Today is today. Why limit ourselves with artificial boundaries, Seol? It will always be today, nothing more, nothing less.

On a totally unrelated note, lemmings are not, in fact, suicidal. Surprising, isn't it?

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Alas, I've never heard of "Stevie Ray Vaughn".

My, my, you're all just a bunch of alcoholics, aren't you? I'll just take a glass of water, as pure as the springs of Saint Helene. And it will be good. I will have the last laugh, I assure you. No mortal can stop me.

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Not me. I don't feel Canasta possesses the zest of such fabled games such as Bridge.

I do have to say I'm worried by Kelly Chen's "religiousness". I can't deny I wouldn't be sad to see her hang. I wouldn't mind one bit.

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Would it kill them to make lobster-sized buns? Would it?

Got pieces of lobster all over my clothes. Annoying, to say the least.

Also, I want Kelly Chen on general grounds. And good to see that you've arrived, Werebear. I don't think I've seen you before. Nor mathcam, for that matter.

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So, who to nominate first?

Also I really meant to say "lynched" just now while talking about Kelly Chenm really. Rasputin was a pretty cool guy by the by. Too bad some English dude shot him. He could've achieved so much more. Like have a nefarious influence on another Tsar on something. Yeah.

nominate: Kelly Chen

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And it's nice to meet you too. A disappointing start though, you just made two mistakes.

On a more serious note, I do feel killing Fritzler has its benefits. It would certainly yield an increase in verbosity. Right now the bible thumper is higher up my list, so it'll have to wait for another day.

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Tacitly endorsing historically institutionalised sexism? Disappointing, people.

I don't where this Mike-wagon is coming from. I see no signs of dark motives emanating from his words. DrippingGoofball especially gave no valid reason for his nomination. I feel the guillotine might be the place for her.

nominate: VitaminR, DrippingGoofball

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And I honestly don't know what you guys have against Mike. I 'aven't seen anything suspicious. But I sure do admire your mastery of bracketed talking, Tamuz. It is quite impressive, if I may say so.

I think we can have us a mighty fine time. All we need to do is quickly find us those that would us wrong. Shouldn't be too hard.

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Nobody noticed Seol's absence? Because I sure did. I've not heard of him since we boarded the plane. I fear some terrible misfortune has come over him. Did anyone see him board the plane?

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Curious, you name all but Seol and Thok of the nominationally challenged and you erroneously include CA. Thok's absence I can understand to a certain extent, but Mr. Grey only just mentioned Seol and CA has clearly been talked been about. Strange mistakes.

Of course I don't think Seol needs nominations, as this whole experience seems to be much for him. It wouldn't surprise me if he just passed out. Also, I commend your effort, the silent speaker.

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Kelly Chen, I must say that you've shown a remarkable lack of knowledge when it comes to salads. Salads are always happy. Always. That's their great strength, although in some cases it is also their weakness.

Overall, I feel happy with my nominations. VitaminR's behaviour has been strange in some aspects, Kelly Chen's continuous religious references make me feel uneasy and DrippingGoofball is the leading wagon, which is always cool.

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DrippingGoofball, I suggest you come up with better reasons if you're going to limit our choices to the extent you're doing. We need to keep our choices open, not limit ourselves to but three people. That's one scummy nomination you just made.

Werebear, based on our flight time, I would hazard to guess the island we're on lies some point parallel to England, so you did not add to the discussion at all on Monday.

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Nominations decide purely who we can lynch. We want to have as much choice as possible, because we actually want to be able to lynch evil-doers. Your nomination for MBF suddenly made it impossible for us to lynch certain people, who for all we know could be in cahoots with you.

Most importantly, only 3 players to choose from so early in the game is bad, very bad, as all 3 of them could easily be innocent. On top of that, MBF hasn't actually done anything scummy in my eyes and you gave absolutely no reason for the nomination.

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Looking at the nominations, it seems the damage done by DrippingGoofball can easily be undone. By unnominating DrippingGoofball and VitaminR, I'll create a 8-way tie between DrippingGoofball, VitaminR, Fritzler, Kelly Chen, Turbovolver, Adele, Mikeburnfire and me for first place, giving us plenty of choices for the lynch. I think more than eight candidates would be just excessive. We should be fine for the second phase. And I'm honoured that only I have received Pooky's nomination. Thank you.

unnominate: DrippingGoofball, VitaminR

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I, too, feel DrippingGoofball's open set-up speculation does not serve a pro-town purpose. And her willingness to claim unsettles me. Yes, she said she hadn't fully grasped the nature of nominations. But why then were they called nominations and not votes and why then did noone other candidate for the lynching block show fear or inclination to claim? I don't really buy it.

I'm also interested to see what effect this "race card" of Turbovolver has.

vote: DrippingGoofball"

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Turbovolver's behaviour is too blatant for me to ignore. Confusion and distraction are the evildoers' greatest allies right now. If this day ends without a decision, then I know what the main cause was. Yes, he claimed to be Malcolm X, but I have seen no indication that he is on the island with us. The claim upon itself is not sufficient.

unvote: DrippingGoofball, vote: Turbovolver

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Seol, the major reason I found the "playing the race card" thing scummy was because it confused and distracted the town. It took time. It delayed this wagon til the very last day and it could have had more effect. So I would definitely say it was scummy. The same could be said about the "6 of spades" thing/

I'm not sure Turbo is scum, but I do think there are grounds for his lynch and I don't see anything better to go on.

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So, does anyone have an idea what kind of role Jonathan Edwards would have? Because I sure dont, like ET and a famished monkey.

It's a pity we mislynched yesterday, although I do think the lynch was justified. I'm going back to my earlier suspicion of DrippingGoofball. I feel she's up to no good.

nominate: DrippingGoofball

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And why exactly would an attempt to cause no-lynch and to distance yourself from a townie lynch with crappy logic be a point in your favour?

VitaminR, if it's so desperately necessary, I have no qualms with nominating your or voting for you. It will grant me the utmost pleasure. I assure you with vehement passion. And I would to like hear from DrippingGoofball why she has problems with such a benign request.

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To be skeptic is not necessarily suspicious. That's why I asked her, VitaminR.

And DrippingGoofball, a lynch is always better than no lynch unless there's real reason to not lynch that specific person. Especially in the situation we were in, the pro-town thing to do was to vote for Turbovolver.

If someone requests something which is clearly not anti-town, why not grant it? You seem to be role-fishing and I don't like that.

And as I forgot:

nominate: VitaminR

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And my turn:
"I am gone forever." Exit, pursued by Commodore Amazing.
"Commodore Amazing prevents a bad marriage."

Although I'd normally be happy with my nominations, I believe we would only have 3 people on the lynching block in the current situation. Therefore I will nominate 2 others whose posts so far have cast doubts on their alignment in my eyes.

unnominate: VitaminR nominate: mathcam, LoudmouthLee

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Not surprisingly, my main suspicion is still DrippingGoofball and I would certainly vote for her. But as Adele has been dropping some cryptic hints which might shed light on both their alignments, I will refrain from voting either of them for now.

I also think it might not be such a good idea to let her(or whoever will be lynched) be the one that puts the one vote on VitaminR that he seems to vitally need, as I could see an evildoer unvote him in the dying seconds of the Day. As I see no better home for my vote in the current situation(I don't think a vote on mathcam or LML would achieve much right now). I will vote for VitaminR.

vote: VitaminR

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As my vote on VitaminR is no longer required, I will, of course, move it to my main suspicion: DrippingGoofball. I am, however, very much interested in what Adele has been hinting at. It better be good. But as DrippingGoofball has thorougly refuted the notion that it might have something to do with her, I don't feel the need to wait with this vote:

unvote, vote: VitaminR

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I don't think there's any point to being cryptic about it any more. Doing so only gives our evildoers something to hide behind. Adele has claimed Cyrano de Bergerac and she can put words into people's mouths. The ability has basically been confirmed, so I see little reason not to believe her.

I also made a little voting error earlier, so I will use this opportunity to correct it.

unvote, vote: DrippingGoofball

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Well, I stand by what I said. I believe Adele, although it's pretty much a moot point right now. Although some of her actions may have been questionable, Cyrano de Bergerac fits the theme, is not obscure and her ability has been confirmed.

Hopefully we'll do better tomorrow. We should probably lynch DrippingGoofball, although I have to admit LML's posts make me seriously consider whether he would not make a finer lynch.

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It's mostly gut feeling and hunch, that's mostly why I'm suspicious. Although I must say, thinking that Adele was Gepetto while I had explicitly mentioned Cyrano de Bergerac seems off.

There are some concrete things too, like the "at least one scum among DGb, Adele and CA"(paraphrased) thing.

The reason I haven't fully explained my suspicions is because I feel DGb is scummier. I felt going after you was not worth it. I did want to state my suspicion however. I didn't expect you to respond to it.

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So I guess it's time for me to take a wild stab at the scum group, aye?

I'd say it is. I believe our scum are DrippingGoofball, LoudmouthLee, Seol, Thok and Werebear(this one is just a guess, I don't really have any reasons for it).

DrippingGoofball for reasons stated earlier, the same goes for LmL, although I would like to add that his nonsense about an investigative role used up a significant chunk of the little time we had Yesterday to turn that bandwagon around.

Thok and Seol I find mostly suspicious, because of their behaviour yesterday, the way they got Adele lynched, who I felt was obviously pro-town. If I could see it, then they should have been able to as well.

Werebear hasn't contributed much.

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And I'll just say real quick that yes, I am a satanist. I don't deny that. But there's a difference between worshipping Satan and killing people. I don't do that kind of stuff. I may have a different religion, but that doesn't make me evil.

Also, I can clear myself reasonably well. And I'll nominate VitaminR upon his request.

nominate: VitaminR

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Tea is very English.

I recognise that you aren't going to back off without a claim, so I will. I am a Mason. That enough for you? Or do you want the role flavour too?

Also, Seol, I do not think Adele's behaviour had been truly scummy. Forcing someone to say something along the lines of "take a closer look at me" doesn't seem very anti-town and the reasoning for her bandwagon certainly wasn't the strongest. Her claimed role and proven ability easily made up for that.

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And the masonry's innocence is explicitly stated.

Thok, I'm not a famous person. I knew coming out as mason would be necessary.

Fiasco, a 5-member mafia group seems logical to me. And that's the assumption under which I was working. I'm not saying there have to be 5 mafia.

The "springs of Saint Helene" was just a random comment, just like the one I made about a lemon. There's nothing to it. I used "guillotine", because using gallows every time gets boring. I don't drop outright role hints(I have actually dropped one, but that one's for my mason partner(s). You have to be told the hint to understand it). And I don't see why I would try to claim an evil megalomaniac that tried to conquer Europe who isn't even verbose or anything.

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No, you misunderstood. You have to read "famous" in context of the question asked by Thok. I have a name, I'm not generic, but I'm no Napoleon or even Ingersoll. I'm using "famous" as meaning well-known among the masses.

I understand you'd be inclined to lynch satanists, but it's only a religion. It doesn't make someone necessary evil or good.

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DrippingGoofball, Napoleon would be one of the worst claims ever. He's evil and he doesn't fit the theme. I just happen to make slightly random comments sometimes.

Fiasco, I chose Saint Helene, because it just sounds pristine and pure. I don't know any famous sources.

I don't drop outright role hints. I never do.

And there's also CA's results, which certainly confirm me to a certain degree as well.

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Fiasco, yes, Rasputin is not particularly verbose, BUT, if I were mafia, I'd still know most of the guests were verbose. On top of that, there are clearly reasons why Rasputin was among us.

My "springs of Saint Helene" comment was certainly unfortunate, looking back. But I don't drop outright role hints. I always try to not give out any unnecessary information. Also, you can't deny "springs of Saint Helene" sounds pristine and pure.

Personally I consider Napoleon to be an evil megalomaniac. I realize opinions may differ, but Napoleon is never gonna be a smart claim to make. If I wanted to hint at being French, I would've hinted at being Descartes or even Molière or De la Bruyère, certainly not Napoleon.

I'd rather not do a name claim. I'm not giving out any unnecessary information.

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Maybe Descartes was a bit simplistic, but I certainly could've said something about him without any negative side effects. I could also have simply responded directly to Kelly Chen taking her remark as nothing more than an innocent proposal (which it appears it was). J'aime parler français aussi. I don't see why I would hint at being Napoleon in such a scenario. Making a remark about Saint Helene seems a very farfetched way of achieving such a result.

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Fiasco, he said he could be cleared through Hamlet, Antigonus and two others, so I don't think we need to worry about having to lynch CA. There could well be a GF-type role. I think that's why he called it 80%, not 89% cleared. And even if CA's results are misleading, I doubt that would mean that there aren't any scum in the other group. We should probably lynch DrippingGoofball(or possibly Seol).

I think a Descartes or a Molière claim would have been easier than a Napoleon. To a certain extent, one could say the same thing about my actual role(yes, I know I'm giving information, but with our time restraints, I feel it is worth it) as you could say about Descartes. Just because it's a role I might choose, doesn't mean I can't have that role.

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Yeah, LML is probably scum, but he can wait.

DrippingGoofball, there's no guarantee we have investigative powers, I wouldn't be surprised if we didn't(besides CA). On top of that, there's no reason to believe that any cop we may have would be as suspicious of you as most are. Not to mention that you could still be a GF. And, as scum, you'd know noone had a guilty on you.

And he was accusing mbf of protecting me, his "scumpartner", not you. I also haven't tried to get VitaminR lynched. Apart from you, I've going after LmL the most.

I believe it's possible that Adele did a final re-read and stumbled on my restriction when she got the chance to send a message from the dead.

vote: DrippingGoofball

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Thok, according to CA, he can be confirmed, so I don't think we'll have to lynch LmL to achieve that goal. On top of that LmL can be confirmed too. The moment we lynch an innocent player, LmL's ability can be proven or disproven.

So I'm gonna go along with Adele. She should know.

Also I'm seriously considering just ignoring DGb's posts from now on.

unvote, vote: Seol

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DGb, LmL can be cleared. The whole cryptic clue can get us what we want. There's no way for it to magically backfire on the town. Let's not waste our time there.

And yes, Adele should know. She should know about Seol. There's no reason why she should know about me or you.

Your subtle defence of Seol is noted. I'm considering ignoring your posts, because your posts are tiresome.

Pooky, I'm not sure, I'd rather just go after Seol instead, but ít might be a good idea. It's up to you.

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Werebear, I'm not giving away my role name, because it's information I see no reason to share with the evildoers. I'm quite sure it would not be beneficial to the town.

Once I do come forward, I think you'll understand why I'm not coming forward, why I'm a mason and why I'm in this game. My role name goes with my role.

Now can we get back to lynching Seol?

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If Lee is really lying, we'll find out soon enough. LmL's words do not directly contradict each other. Even if he's scum, that doesn't mean we need to lynch him today. I would like a role name from Lee though.

Fritzler, if you knew the exact reason why I'm not revealing my role name, the point would be lost. Have a bit of trust in the masons. Again, if I were scum, I'll be lynched eventually anyway.

We should totally be focussing on Seol. Wasn't on CA's list, acted quite scummy, implicated by his sister. Also, if he's town, then I do not doubt that he can think of something that will prove LmL's ability. We always win.

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It's quite a simple plan. The player who's about to be lynched encodes or encrypts some message and then tells LmL how to find it in the message to LmL.

You're completely misrepresenting what LmL said. Adele's message focussed on me apparently. LmL was surprised it didn't focus on you. Adele thought that Seol, you and me are all scum. There's nothing more to it. There's no lying involved.

And why would we need to lynch LmL TODAY? Scum are equally dead regardless of which day lynch 'em on.

This is tiresome and a waste of time. We should totally be lynching Seol.

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Seol, the plan can't backfire. It simply can't completely clear him. That is all.

You put up a nice block of encrypted text with a ridiculously difficult key. I'm sure that shouldn't be a problem for you, Seol. I wouldn't have any problem sending LmL a message that would clear him and that's without special preparation.

LmL is still to some extent confirmable and is on CA's list. If he's scum, he'll be lynched. There's no reason to lynch him today. But again, I would like his role name.

You should've known Adele was town. You did of course and I'm not letting you get away with it.

Also, DrippingGoofball is protecting you.

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Seol, backfiring would have to be something anti-town. It's DrippingGoofball who started about it, not me. I know it's nonsensical.

I'll give you an example, Seol: 0.92 - 0.85 - 0.56 - 0.93 - 0.73 - 0.99 - 0.92 0.99 - 0.74 - 0.63 - 0.73 - 0.73 - 0.73 - 0.85 - 0.79

I'd be surprised if you can decode it. And that took me about a minute.

You should've known she was pro-town, because:
1. Her claimed role name fit the game and fit her ability, which had been proven. Separately neither the ability nor the claim is a particularly strong indication, but taken together most certainly a strong one.
2. You probably know her the best. You should be able to read her play.
3. She hadn't done anything particularly scummy.
4. You're a good player.

There's no reason to lynch a confirmable player.

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It's only lying if you interpret his words in a specific way. You're gonna have to do more than that to make me lynch a partially cleared, easily confirmable player.

And it doesn't make sense for scum to have that ability.

Nearly all of us are intelligent players, that's hardly a reason not to lynch somone. Seol hasn't even really done anything towards finding scum. And LmL is known for finding evildoers.

LmL has certainly acted scummy, but it doesn't weigh up to him being on CA's list and having an easily confirmable ability.

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tss, the lynched player gets to send a message to LmL according to him. Of course Turbovolver would say something about you. And the lynched player can explain the code.

It's not complicated. You encode a piece of text. You get lynched. You tell LmL how it was encoded and what was encoded. Preferably you encode something that refers to the way of encoding.

I'm quite sure you've misunderstood LmL's claimed ability. It IS easily confirmable.

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What did I say? Oh yes, that you misunderstood his ability. Hey, guess what, you did.

He gets MESSAGES, not results. Turbovolver was suspicious of you, so he told LmL to look at you. There's no connection between you and Malcolm X and that doesn't matter.

As I read it, Adele's message was mostly about me instead of DGb, which was surprising. I can see LmL as being town and if he is, he'll be confirmed. If he isn't, we'll nab 'em soon enough.

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Thok, that is incorrect. It is neither answer. And it's an easy problem to solve. You make sure it's complicated, force LmL to tell us how it was encoded and most importantly, put a part of how it was encoded into the encoded message. That way, he can't just make something up, but needs to know the actual message that was encoded.

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Yeah obviously, Thok. Confirmable players are definitely the ones you should lynch.

That said, with the amount of discrepancies LmL has made and the situation we're in(4 townies down), I'd still prefer a LmL-lynch over no lynch if he doesn't come up with some explanations.

Also, Werebear, I just prefer Satan over God. That doesn't make me a killer. The correct analogy would be, although I don't think many will get it, "I may be Hitler, but I'm Good Hitler, the Bondesque superhero that appears in the webcomic Goats.".

There's a difference between "we'll catch 'em later" and "we'll catch 'em after the first town lynch from now". There's no risk of letting him out of our sights.

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"Too, you Cogito Ergo Sum?", I think you placed the comma wrong. Also "Kai su, teknon"(should be spelled with Greek letters, but it doesn't really matter) > "Et tu, Brute".

Anyway, you do realise I've actually been doing my best to prevent you from getting lynched, but you just screwed up so bad it couldn't be helped. You haven't claimed your role name yet. You'd better be scum.

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Yeah obviously, claiming an ability you don't have. Great tactic. Especially when there was no reason to lie. Really, brilliant. If you're town, you really suck. Really.

Also, the Pope? Since when are mumbling old fools considered verbose? Pfft.

You're getting desperate. I'll show you what we do with people that lie for no reason whatsoever.

unvote, vote: LoudmouthLee

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So DrippingGoofball, you ask:
'PLEASE - does someone have an explanation for the contradiction of LML pushing for a lynch of CES, and CES protecting LML?"

It is no contradiction. LmL claimed a confirmable role. He had not outright lied. Lynching such a player would be a mistake. We would've caught him next day. That's why I tried to prevent the lynch. This in no way means that LmL can't be suspicious of me.

Yes, I made an 180 on LmL, but that's due to him suddenly claiming another role, thereby admitting to having outright lied and most importantly losing his confirmability. His confirmability was the only reason I was trying to prevent the lynch in the first place. Your constant misrepresentation is tiresome.

And you can't seriously suggest that a satanist would be working together a Pope.

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A is for scrumptious.

I don't see much point in hiding it. Mikeburnfire is a mason too. Might as well make the implicit explicit.

Thok faking a restriction seems strange, but in the end I don't see what scum would stand to gain from faking an animal-based post restriction. I can't think of a verbose person with a strong link to animals, while it would certainly confuse the evildoers when it comes to Thok's role.

I also agree with Seol that CA's Hamlet should come forward and confirm CA.

nominate: Seol

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To wit, satanism with extra fries.

I have faith in your list, especially as it seems your ability will be confirmed. I'd also say that Seol handled it scummily. About the ability, he used the phrase ""too good to be true"", which is looking not at the abiltiy itself but rather at the result we got. The list may indeed prove exceptionally useful, but the ability itself would normally not tend to produce particularly useful info, although it would always give a hint as to the identity of the killers. I also feel Shakespeare would be more powerful than most roles. I feel following the list is the right option right now.

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Apples are scummy.

I believe VitaminR's claim for now.

Despite the lack of confirmation, I'm willing to believe Shakespeare for now, although him using the bear ability would be useful.

I don't find it surprising that Seol is trying to cast doubt on CA again. As CA stated, he did in fact receive a posting restriction that night and there's no reason to assume that he would be treated the same, as he already knew he had been cast as Hamlet anyway. And I don't think LmL was aware he had been cast as Caesar Yesterday.

Vote: Seol

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Narcotic monkey!

If this is indeed a no reveal game(I'm not yet convinced), then you still don't have to worry. We're not stand-alone characters. Mike or me dying would confirm the masonry. You don't need to worry about it.

I don't think it's in any way necessary for LmL to have a real relation to Caesar for him to make those statements.

And something did happen to CA when he cast himself as Hamlet. It simply appears that had nothing to do with the casting.

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I'm not quite sure why mike said that, Seol, although I assume it was to defend me without giving away his role. I see no harm in saying that I'm fictional.

Personally I don't really believe Seol's claim. It's just not convincing. And I agree that it might be a good idea to investigate CA, although I'd understand it if you'd rather investigate a mason.

Is it a night or a day power, Seol?

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I feel we have shared enough information. There's a real and valid reason for us not to nameclaim at this point in time. Trust us on this one.

As I said earlier, Seol's claim does not convince me. But I am willing to give him a day to use his "ability".

I don't think that failure of posting requirements would lead to lack of night kill, as it would allow us to simply force everyone to fail their posting requirements, thereby making this game nightless.

unvote: Seol

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DGb, that logic is founded on assumptions that have no basis in fact. Are you seriously suggesting I would just claim to be a satanist mason claim with mike without having any verbose characters in mind?

Although I believe VitaminR's claim, I'm not excluding the possibility of him having thought of it. Nationality does not say everything.

Fiasco, I had to re-check to see whether we were guaranteed innocent. I'm not surprised Mike used a different choice of words.

If a mason were to die(I'm thinking mafia nightkills here), the masonry's alignment should become apparent to the town. Really.

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DrippingGoofball, this is getting tiresome. I can assure you that sharing my name would have an effect that wouldn't be beneficial to the town. You've made faulty assumptions and thereby have reached a wrong conclusion. Stop rolefishing.

I don't see Screaming Lord Sutch as scum, because he's not the kind of guy that would kill people. It also does not mesh with the killing modus operandi, although that doesn't say everything of course.

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Mike, I'll explain it to you exactly at night. It's best for the town.

DrippingGoofball, stop role-fishing. I do not feel that giving out our names would be beneficial for the town at this point.

And if Mike and me were scum, we'd have thought of fake claims long ago. People don't claim satanist masons without having any idea of what person/character to claim. I could've decided on claims last Night and nameclaimed today without any problems. Refusal to name-claim hardly makes sense from a scum perspective.

And I invite anyone who's doubting to look at our interaction this game, especially at the beginning of Day 3. Mike clearly backed me up before my satanist mason claim. Would he do that if we were scum together and we didn't have any sort of claim prepared?

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Thok, I don't know which novel you're talking about actually. So I'm sorry to say your flash of inspiration is not relevant to our situation.

But claiming the novel would practically be the same as claiming my name in this case. I don't have any sort of claiming restriction. I just feel it would be the wrong thing to do.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Yes, I have but the one restriction.

Anyway, as neither of us are on the lynching block, I don't feel the slightest necessity to name-claim. Due to the pressure exerted on us, I think it might be necessary to name-claim tomorrow. Certainly not today though.

The claim should explain the statements Mike and I have previously made, so I don't think you should have to worry about the two of us coming up with names during the night. Either we're scum who've planned this, scum that'll get lynched as soon as we claim(in which case there's no reason to claim today instead of tomorrow) or town that have a valid reason.

And Fiasco, I had a specific reason all along. But by admitting to having a specific reason, I would needlessly be giving away role info.

The situation is all a bit more complicated than you may think. I'll probably clarify it Tomorrow. You're going to have to trust me until then anyway.

Let's focus on what's important now.

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Pooky, I'd rather not have to come forward with the info at all. There's no significant difference between Today and Tomorrow, but I do prefer Tomorrow. I do believe the claim should dispel any doubts you may have.

I mourn the loss of Sokrates. We have lost a great thinker. A great sadness fills my heart.

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Well I hope Fiasco still has time to come along and claim, but as I see it, he makes a decent lynch and he's the only option right now.

And I thought you might have heard of Lord Sutch. Good to see my thinking was justified.

I wish we had more time, but we don't. So here's hoping:

vote: Fiasco

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So that was surprising.

As I said, I'll claim today. I'm Sister Grace Voluble, one of the Chattering Nuns, from the book Good Omens. Mike is Sister Gabriela "Gabby" Gregarious(hence his posting restriction), although I'm not sure he actually appears in the book. For those unfamiliar with the book, there is also a Sister Mary Loquacious and if we had simply name-claimed, the logical question would have been why she was absent. She isn't absent and she hasn't been exactly secretive about her identity. To illustrate my reasons for not name-claiming, I will not divulge her identity, but let the town find out. It's not difficult.

If anyone has any further questions about my decision and/or any remarks mike and I have made, feel free to ask.

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Adventure is fun!

I was referenced to the Good Omens entry of the great Guide. But I do believe my role is very much mithic. I also believe the chattering nuns are a familiar character to a number of us here(including me, as I alluded to earlier). I would say we are less obscure than Ingersoll and I don't think Mr. Grey based his selections on the great Guide.

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Truth is awesome.

Yes, you are correct, the silent speaker. There is a third mason, Sister Mary Loquacious, whose identity will be disclosed soon. I'll give you all a chance to find her for yourself first to highlight my reasons for not fully claiming early. We started the game as a masonry of three, yes.

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Awesome.

Dear Werebear, our verbosity stems from the fact that we're chattering nuns. We may be satanists, but we were brought up satanists, it's not terribly exciting. We aren't crazy psychos. Yes, we want the Antichrist to be born and the Armageddon to occur in general terms, but we also like our tea and biscuits. There's no real evil in us.

Although we're not that well-known in general circles, we're not really obscure when you look at the people playing and at Mr. Grey himself. The Guide is meant to be helpful, nothing more.

We've lost around half the players. I can't help but feel worried that the scum are threatening to overwhelm the town. Let's not do their job for them.

Also, if you want, I can point you to hints Mike and I left early in the game.

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Narry?

Et tu, Brute? Then fall, Commodore Amazing?

the silent speaker, that was probably to make it slightly less obvious. Petroleumjelly is the third mason. Notice that pj doesn't assume there are but two, as many have done. PJ has also referred to himself as a "she" on many an occasion, made a remark about "tosiewosies" and about snakes(Crowley, satanism), didn't nominate me after the SATAN revelation and has not expressed suspicion of Mike or me at any point.

As I told my mason buddies during the night, Seol is the right lynch.

nominate: Seol

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Well, all three of us dropped a hint some form early enough in the game that you can throw out the cult possibility. That one doesn't work.

I don't believe Mike actually read the Guide entry. I agree it's a strange mistake.

Fiasco, yes, I have read Good Omens. It is, in fact, one of my favourite books. My signature even includes a quote from one of the authors of Good Omens. I alluded to this earlier. That doesn't mean I can't receive such a role.

Mike, pj and me are either extremely ballsy mason-claiming scum or we're masons.

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All three of us are satanist nuns, it's a satanist order. Gave birth to Satan? No, sorry. We made a baby switch, so the Antichrist could grow up in the family of an American diplomat, but that's all we really did in the whole Satan vs. God thing.

If one of us were to die, he would come up as a Chattering Nuns. That should confirm us. I mean, we may be satanists, but we don't kill people. Our roles don't make sense as mafia.

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Well, this way Mike, pj and me are all still alive. I could claim yesterday an sich, but neither Mike nor me was on the lynching block at that point, so I saw no reason why I couldn't wait till today to claim fully and so I did.

I knew we'd be able to dispel any suspicions of us being cultists and that we had a decent claim.

I'm also not sure this town has real power roles and I feel a masonic presence in the endgame would be very useful to the town. Mike and me were looking somewhat suspicious, so I didn't feel making us a juicier target would be such a good idea.

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Werebear, Werebear, I don't mind your accusations all that much, but I do believe we've proven that we're definitely not a cult. We've dropped early hints, so you can't deny that we've had the same alignment since the beginning, aka not a cult.

Seol, it's not just your claim, although it

is

weak and bland, it's also your behaviour on the Adele-lynch. It doesn't sit right with me.

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Seol is the right lynch for today. His claim is weak and bland and his play hasn't been stellar by any standard. I see little reason not to lynch him. I really think he's scum. It'd also give us valuable information concerning CA and his list(ie. the validity of the list, possible motives of CA).

vote: Seol

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Ok, Mike, the right lynch is Seol. We can worry about Werebear another day. You can finish the job and we'll hopefully nab scum. Let's punish him for his inability to come up with a decent fake claim.

We can do this thing.

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Sausage.

Honestly I'm pretty clueless as to what exactly we're dealing with and how to handle it. I fear we may be dealing with some sort of cult, which would suggest that Pooky's death was at his own hands through a game of Russian Roulette. But I don't really see how a cult is fair to the town seeing as there appears to be a limited reveal. I hope someone has a better idea of what's going on.

I would like some clarification from Fiasco on what transpired last day.

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Ack.

Werebear, you can not seriously hold us to be a cult. What we said day 1, directly contradicts it. If you believe there to be a cult, then you can exclude the three of us from the list of possible cult recruiters.

I also don't think there was a time preceding day 1 for night talk.

Your relentless dogging is tiresome.

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Tacky.

I would like to point out that we don't whether we even have any other killing roles besides Pooky. I don't consider it really strange that none of the masons have been killed yet. Our full claim only came after Pooky's demise.

Would mafia really "lie" to cover for a friend? As I see it, it was an implicit mason buddy claim. He has a similar role to mine, that sort of stuff.

I'm going to put it in very simple terms. If we're scum, we prepared a fake mason claim from day 1 without any sort of coordination with another killing role on the loose.

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Animals!

Fiasco, if you'd be as kind as to explain how mike's strange mistake points to us being scum, then please do explain. I admit our play hasn't been perfect, but you have yet to explain how it leads you to believe that we're scum. Would scum gain anything from making such a mistake? Are scum likelier to make such a mistake? I think not.

the silent speaker, it's precisely because there may be a recruiting evil that I do not feel a mason is the right lynch. I fear the town may be close to losing.

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Noooo! Time travel makes my head dizzy.

Is it not customary also for people like Mr. Grey to announce such things, Fiasco?

I will prove I don't have an "ay" restriction if you prove you don't have an "e" restriction. I do not see the point of disproving random restrictions, especially as I do believe I've said things without the use of "ay". You, sir, are grasping at straws.

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Signatures are of vital importance.

Of course noone thought you were the third nun, Tamuz. You didn't act like you were a mason with any of us. But if all three of us had used the feminine pronouns, then it would've been fairly obvious, as we've acted like masons the entire game. There was no incentive for us to make the connection any more obvious.

I agree with Thok's theory on Pooky. If Pooky could only kill those whose restriction(s) he knew, the kills suddenly make a lot more sense.

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Fiasco and Werebear, I'm sorry, but you're really stretching just to imagine a situation in which we could be scum. A cult that starts off with three members? Que?

In addition, you have completely ignored a major flaw in your "the masons are scum"-theory. We know that there was an additional killing role, Pooky. Pooky could easily have killed any one of us three. It just doesn't add up. The claim just doesn't make sense for scum in our position from any perspective.

Now I've given it some extra thought and I don't believe there is a cult. The main reason for that belief is the post restrictions that apparently have been dealt out to members of this town. It doesn't fit with a cult recruiter role. In addition, it would also basically require LmL to be pro-town, which of course I'm inclined not to believe. As such, I think my vote'll go to Tamuz. His latest rantings have made my scumdar light up dark red.

Vote: Tamuz

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The first point is true, but mostly irrelevant I feel as I promised I would claim the next day and there's no way of knowing Pooky would die that night.

It would be nice if I could tell you what we're dealing with, but I don't really know. I suspect that like Pooky our scum have posting restrictions-related abilities. I don't believe that at this point in time we have the information to find exactly what we're dealing with.

And I would like to point out to Werebear that we're not in a satanic cult, but in a satanic order of nuns. It's hardly more than substituting God for Satan and Christ for the Antichrist.

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But the Antichrist was such a cute baby. The previous situation you allude had God as good and Satan as evil. Of course Sister Mary would share Satan's alignment. That doesn't make the three Chattering Nuns in any way a logical scum group. I wouldn't consider them wellknown enough for that also.

I only revealed that there was a third mason after Pooky's death, yes. But if you look back at the things I had said the previous day, a scum-me wouldn't have been in the position to claim anything else with the amount of things that had been said. Can you come up with an alternate logical reason why I hadn't nameclaimed?

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Jelly, Jelly, John Locke is a doctor in the same way Ernesto "Che" Guevara de la Serna is. It's not what he's famous for, but he did study medicine and he was a doctor. I expected better from you.

However

, all of our kills so far have been suicides(except what appears to be Pooky shooting himself) and as such I don't exactly see how a regular doctor is supposed to do any good.

I'm personally thinking we test VitaminR today, lynch Tamuzscum and see what the morning brings us.

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Well, Werebear, I don't believe the suicides are mafia kills. There are strong signs that Pooky is the one responsible for those. He knew the "animal" thing wasn't Thok's real restriction. Everyone who has died so far has had fairly obvious restrictions. There was that one no-kill night 3. There hasn't been any kill since Pooky died.

Now what you're suggesting is that Pooky was an SK with an apparently low chance of killing and a chance to kill himself at the same time? I've heard of underpowered SKs, but that's really over the top.

Believing the mafia made those kills leaves too many unanswered questions. Why those nightkills? I wouldn't have killed any of those three. How did Pooky know about Thok's faked restriction? Why no-kill on night 3? The doc is accounted for and I'd be very much surprised if we have a roleblocker as well.

And I suspect Werebear's restriction is democracy-flavoured, assuming it is real.

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Honorable Commodore, Werebear indeed does not have a posting restriction, but he does have a voting restriction and that is what I was alluding to.

I'm not going to make assumptions about what we're facing. What I do know, is that Mike's pro-town. And I certainly believe the situation may well be different tomorrow. We're still lynching someone in the meanwhile. What if Tamuz comes up a pope? Wouldn't that effectively clear the three of us? Noone died last night. Will it repeat itself? Will there be a new killing modus operandi?

On top of that, we certainly can't be sure we're dealing with any sort of mafia. I have no idea how good our situation is or how good it will be if Mike gets lynched. What I am certain of, is that our situation will be worse if Mike dies.

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No, no, no. The information from Werebear is hardly convincing. It requires the suiciding thing to be the mafia kill, which I totally don't believe. In any case, his theory requires there to be a roleblocker, which means there's no reason to believe his protection was successful.

I still believe lynching Tamuz is the right thing to do at this point.

I'm not sure whether thesilentspeaker is a good lynch, but I do know there are in all likelihood multiple good lynches left.

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The Satanic Nun!

I'm personally thinking we have a non-standard scum group, as evidenced by the restrictions imposed and such thing. I think it's possible that our remaining scum have neither direct killing powers or direct recruiting powers.

We weren't told that we stayed innocent or such thing. But any guarantee of innocence, I feel, does automatically hint towards that. I'm perfectly aware though that pj or mike may have been recruited, but I'm quite certain that at least mike has not been, due to the events that have transpired this day.

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Spamwise, Fiasco's claimed role has a very strong link to popes. If the pope theory is incorrect, then this certainly casts doubt on his role.

I will nominate Werebear today, as there has been another no-kill and it seems obvious that the suicides were Pooky's doing. I don't see how John Locke, a conventional doctor, is supposed to save them. And I can't help but feel suspicious over his continuous effort to lynch a mason.

nominate: Werebear

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Arf!

I think a mass-claim today may have some merits. There haven't been any kills and there are a lot of roles already out on the table. I don't see any disadvantages.

the silent speaker, you would of course fit into the third group. There's no reason why you'd be in the second group.

Furthermore, let's remember that VitaminR is only a free lynch if he's pro-town.

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Togas of infinite joy manifest.

My dear Fiasco, if there is a cult, then who is preventing you from publishing those results? Why haven't they won yet? Where are those extra restrictions coming from?

Now, I also have an additional question: did Mr. Grey tell you what the punishment was for failing the additional restriction. I feel there may lie the answer to our enigma.

We have but three unclaimed players left and I don't think they can have at all powerful roles, so I see little harm in them claiming but a potential lot of good.

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Alleys of gore and justice!

We could let CA(as confirmed innocent through Seol) decide or we could let one of the masons decide the order of the mass claim. I'd go for the silent speaker - SpamWise - Thok, as I don't think ScumWise or Thokscum would really suffer from going first.

Anyway, about the additional restrictions, as it seems obvious that it's a scum power, I was thinking that those restrictions might've been their means to attempt to kill people. Could someone list all the extra restrictions people have had so far? It might tell us something.

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Nooooooooooooooo!

I still think the additional restrictions may have a link with nightkills. I don't believe anyone failed it, did they?

Also, Fiasco, it wouldn't necessarily say anything about your allegiance. It's not going to be that obvious. You could've been making it up, your scum buddy could've used the ability on you.

I also find it funny that people aren't nominating either me or jelly anymore, just mike.

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Looking at all roles claimed so far, I have to say it's not looking good for Werebear. Essentially we now have two claimed doctors and one claimed doc/rb-ish role. I can't believe they're all legit.

the silent speaker, please check with Mr. Grey whether you got it in on time. May I also ask why you didn't claim that you were responsible for the extra restrictions sooner? It's an important fact, when considering what kind of evil still lurks in this town.

Jelly! You make a good point about alternate winning conditions, but I don't think it's that simple. If it's just about posting restrictions, it could be over at the end of the day.

I do think the fact that Werebear is the only one without a posting restriction says something.

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Well, if you are indeed telling the truth and not just fake claiming, I think the right move would be to confirm the masonry, as with the lack of nightkills, that could be enough to win the game.

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Fiasco, old boy, would John Locke not believe in one man, one vote?

And the silent speaker said that the additional restriction might lead Pooky to guess the wrong post restriction and thereby fail to kill.

A Fiascoscum may have passed up the chance to feed false information to the town, but he also didn't feed the town any information that may be proven false.

I don't think we should nominate VitaminR. I kinda feel that at this point in the game we should just kill all the non-masons, especially as we can be confirmed by SpamWise(assuming he's legit).

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Oh, Werebear, I don't know where you got the idea from that Thok is a restriction lifter, he himself said he thought he was a doctor that could only protect from the suicides.

Looking at the killing Modi Operandi, I don't see how John Locke could help the town, but I certainly see how Sigmund Freud might've been able to help. The killings are not achieved through physical means, but rather through getting the person to commit suicide. That seems to be Freud's area of expertise.

I never said there were three doctors, but there are two claimed roles that seem to be doctors and 1 role which may protective effects(as it appears Pooky needed to know the restriction of the person to kill him).

If I had to pick three people for scum: Werebear, SpamWise and the silent speaker.

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I agree with Fiasco. I'd like to lynch Werebear today and probably SpamWise tomorrow.

the silent speaker, I agree that SpamWise's claim is shady, but the only harm lynching him today instead of the tomorrow could do is that we'd had one less investigation. If he's scum, no harm done.

And jelly, I believe Werebear was talking about the restriction the silent speaker gave him.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

He did claim to be the post restrictor, but he hasn't claimed name or flavour, just that ability.

Now I'd vote for Werebear, but the silent speaker is just acting ridiculous. The silent speaker, if Spamwise got an innocent on me(or mike or pj), then we lynched him and he came up Demosthenes, the prosecutor, would that not give us vital information? As I see it, you're trying to lynch SpamWise to prevent the masonry from being confirmed.

Claim name and flavour now.

Vote: the silent speaker

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Werebear, although we obviously have scum left, we don't have to have killers left at all. There's no basis for that assumption.

Now tell me, if we are a mafia group of some sort as you appear to be claiming who aren't killing for some reason, why we haven't offed you yet. What benefit would we gain from not killing off a claimed doctor who is our main opposer?

If whatever type of scum we have left, has killed, then I have a good feeling it's the shooting. There's no real indication that it's Pooky doing Russian Roulette and the suicides stopped right after Pooky died. Not only that, he was described as serial killer, now that suggests he actually got to kill people. A Serial Killer that only has a chance of killing and has a chance of killing himself is just being plain cruel to the player. And there is a strong indication that Pooky needed to know posting restrictions, as he knew about Thok faking one. That fits perfectly with the no-kill night 3.

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Look, the silent speaker, if SpamWise is innocent, then it's a good thing to grant him a night. Now I don't see Demosthenes as likely scum, so although it certainly wouldn't count a 100%, the result would have meaning. Especially if it's an innocent on the masonry, as that mean he would also have to be scum for us to be scum. It's certainly beneficial giving him an extra night. If he's scum, what do we lose from giving him another night? I don't see it. That's why I'm opposed to lynching him today.

I could see there being two one-shot roles, one a defense attorney and the other a prosecutor, yes. If SpamWise is pro-town, then I would expect him to support Seol sooner than attack him. His lack of support is what bothers me.

And all you have claimed is an ability that gives no indication of alignment. You're going after SpamWise in a very scummy manner. You deserve my vote.

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Werebear, at this point I'm considering more and more that our remaining evil is responsible for killing Pooky. He claimed to have two pieces of knowledge. Maybe the second one was somehow important? I don't know. Having a SK with a simple restriction on killing and some sort of limited mafia group is what we have I think. The SK has the ability to kill, but he's just one man, while the mafia have power through numbers and perhaps some additional powers such as inflicting posting restrictions and an one-shot kill. That's how I see the situation.

The silent speaker, I see no reason not to lynch you today. If someone claims a similar role to you in a way that suggests symmetry(defense and prosecution), would you not rather support that person than attack him?

I feel you're attacking SpamWise on bad logic. On top of that, you've claimed an ability that could well point to scum and which is hardly useful to the town. On top of that, you've been unwilling to name-claim while I feel that with such a claimed ability, the name-claim is quite important. On the one hand, you've suggested it would have negative consequences, but on the other hand, you've said you're not doing it, because it won't get you anywhere.

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Sure!

I eagerly await SpamWise's result. I hope SpamWise is innocent and that Werebear will finally drop his little crusade.

I haven't a clue about the silent speaker's alignment. He could be scum, although I'm disinclined to believe it.

I support testing VitaminR today and lynching either Werebear or SpamWise.

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Alimony!

Werebear, my role is "the Satanic Nun!", not "the Mason!".

It strikes me that you use our role names against us while at the same time suggesting that they are fake.

Why would a mafia group choose not to kill? Yes, I'm saying there are probably no real killers left, but how does it that help me? And specifically, how would such a thing compensate for not getting to kill people?

About the needing to know posting restrictions, signs clearly point to Pooky having to know them due to him knowing about Thok's fake restriction. That ties in so beautifully with the no-kill that I definitely believe the suicides are Pooky-kills.

Also, SpamWise's result definitely does matter. If he has an innocent on a mason, then he is undeniably a better lynch than us, as he'd basically have to be scum for it to be possible for us to be scum.

Fiasco, nominating Werebear is futile, he is already on the lynching block.

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Toes!

I believe SpamWise said he'd randomly decide which of the three to investigate. It's not like there were good reasons to investigate any specific mason anyway.

You may be a claimed doctor, Werebear, but that carries little weight when noone is dying, when the flavour of the protection does not match the kills(bar one) and when all you've done is gone after the masons. There's a decent case against you and there's no real reason why we shouldn't lynch you.

Nominate: Werebear

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Accent Aigue!

I don't believe we have a survivor-type role, CA, in our midst, as that would mean we'd only have 2 scum. Anyway, if that were the case, he hasn't got a chance.

I definitely think Werebear should be today's lynch. His claim simply does not match the facts of the game.

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Not very obfuscating.

I stand by what I have said. Werebear is the right lynch. His claim doesn't work and his actions do little to comfort me.

I would also like to point out that Fiasco could of course be a scumpope himself. The presence of scum popes would hardly be a point in favour.

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Thok, it's not like Werebear's failed his restriction. Rather he failed to post on certain days. That one doesn't fly. Your first point is definitely valid though.

It appears I forgot to vote for Werebear last time. That will be remedied shortly. I wish we didn't have to wait so long each time to lynch someone.

Vote: Werebear

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All the previous restrictions handed out by the silent speaker only lasted one day...

And how do you know he was town?

Werebear, it's time for you to realize that we're fictional satanists. We don't have to follow your rules on what satanists are, yeah? We don't do ritual sacrifice, we do tea and crumpets. And the mod hasn't laid down any rules, just a format. There's a reference to the guide. The only difference is that we have a general article, instead of a personal one. Mike backed me up implicitly with what he said that day. At best, Mike played poorly. It wasn't a scummy move.

If you do come up John Locke, the Doctor, then I'll be taking a closer look at Freud. We'd just have to find one more scum if you're innocent.

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Colourless green ideas sleep furiously.

I still agree with the Werebear-lynch and anxiously await what revelations our lynching will bring.

If the trend of no nightkills continues, then I don't see us losing this game. We've essentially got 4 innocent results through our cops. We need to be careful to ensure any possible scum win condition isn't met and just continue lynching people till we've nabbed all the scum in my eyes.

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Scones of doom!

I'm surprised Werebear was genuine, but I guess it could be worse.

I would like to hear HalfMan's view of the game so far. I hope he can help us crack this puzzle.

Personally I'm tempted to go with Thok and Fiasco. I also think we should test VitaminR today.

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Arf!

I feel compelled to correct my fellow nun. It is SpamWise, not Thok, that has claimed an innocent result on us.

I'm not a big fan of your logic here, Halfman. If jelly, mike and I were scum, then your list would have to be faulty and if your list is faulty, then Thok or SpamWise could of course also be scum, possibly with Fiasco and VitaminR.

For it to be possible for, say, Thok to be scum with Fiasco and VitaminR, it would only be necessary for the list to be imperfect or for him to have some sort of investigation immunity or for LoudmouthLee to be innocent.

For the masons to be scum, either the list would have to be faulty and SpamWise would have to be scum(or jelly would have to have investigation immunity) or Jelly and I must both have some sort of investigation immunity and I don't see the point of one-shot cops if half the scum's investigation immune.

If you look at the full picture with the masons, I don't think lynching one of us makes that much sense. It's just needless gambling. I know that keeping the masons around basically guarantees victory.

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The Turtle Moves!

Nice of you to share the nature of your "results", Fiasco, but it doesn't make me feel either better or worse about you. It certainly makes sense, but it's something you'd be able to come up.

HalfMan, I'm glad you see what I mean. From an outside perspective, I'd consider the chance that there are 3 scum in Fiasco, SpamWise, Thok and VitaminR to be higher than the chance of the masons being scum, if you look at the Good Hanging-List and take into account SpamWise's "result" on the jelly.

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Alkaline acidity!

I'm happy with the nominations as they are, although a Spamwise-lynch is quite unlikely. I'm personally going for a Fiasco-lynch. I don't see reason to wait and I want to wrap up the game. I think it's funny by the by that the set length of the Day has turned from maximum to minimum. Before we had to make sure to get a lynch in on time, now we wait before we can lynch someone.

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Nor rain.

Let's just follow HalfMan's list. I think lynching Fiasco today is the right thing to do. I don't see the scum winning this one. Let's just finish them off.

I don't think Thok should use his ability on VitaminR. It won't prove anything either way. Even if VitaminR isn't scum, losing him is hardly a problem at this stage of the game. With a lynch too, we'd have 4 confirmed and 2 unconfirmed tomorrow. Hardly a problem.

Vote: Fiasco

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

As I see it, a Fiasco-Thok-SpamWise scum group is no less likely than a VitaminR-Thok-Spamwise scum group and that's not even taking the account a possible Fiasco-VitaminR-Thok/Spamwise scum group. No lynching would be taking a substantially bigger risk. Also, if we have to wait a whole week every time, then I don't want to waste an opportunity.

It's of course also possible that VitaminR is scum, but is telling the truth about his restriction.

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Yeah, the Fiasco-VitaminR-Thok/SpamWise scum group idea doesn't really work.

I think a Fiasco-Thok-SpamWise scum group is more likely than a VitaminR-Thok-SpamWise scum group, because I don't really like the way you were procrastinating. You've claimed a role that promises info and confirmability but that allows you to never deliver. Also, VitaminR could be scum and telling the truth about his restriction.

I think there lies less risk in lynching you than in no-lynching. So I'm still playing in a strategically accurate way, even though I want the game to hurry up.

About your info, who cares at this point? We've got 4 confirmed innocents. We just have to lynch the 4 unconfirmed. The only real possibility for the town to lose at this point as I see it is if there are three scum left, someone dies today, they survive the day and they get a nightkill. That's the only scenario I'm worrying about.

Therefore I think lynching you is an tactically sound option.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

I think pursuing someone as a bear at this point wouldn't be a smart move.

That said, the town is basically guaranteed a win if there's three scum left. As I see it, if we lynch Fiasco, the only way for the town to lose is for the scum group to be VitaminR-SpamWise-Thok, for the scum group to have some sort of nightkill left and for VitaminR to have lied about his restriction. If we no-lynch, then the only way for the town to lose is the scum group to be Fiasco-Thok-SpamWise and for them some sort of nightkill. I don't see the advantage of no-lynching here.

And if the scum do have an alternate winning condition, then I think haste would benefit the town.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

2 things:
(1)The investigation immunities and multiple millers? You might as well have left out the one-shot cops then. They're nearly just as likely to do good as to do bad.
(2)It's M. Iunius Brutus and I really don't see him working together with Nero. Nero represents everything that Brutus revolted against.

Also, Fiasco, may I ask what made you kill Pooky?