Brightest Day Mafia, Part 1 - GAME OVER

[Mr Subliminal]

We're a WL, vezok isn't.

[Mr Subliminal]

Ludi, we already had this conversation...

[Mr Subliminal]

He was RECRUITED. We're RECRUITER-hunting, not RECRUIT-hunting.

[Mr Subliminal]

VOTE: Magister Ludi

ToastyToast jailkeeps Kast
vezokpiraka delays Kast
Ideally, Andrius roleblocks ToastyToast here. Buuuuuut, Andrius is going to derp it up either because he's mafia or because he's recruited and say he wants to roleblock us. That's fine.
Oversoul tracks ToastyToast if Andrius is going to roleblock us; otherwise, he should track tanstalas

[Mr Subliminal]

Who would you prefer tracked?

<_<
>_>

[Mr Subliminal]

One of the claimed White Lanterns

Tracking

me

one of the claimed White Lanterns is beyond useless.

Unless you think I am mafia?

We have fixed your second quote.

[Mr Subliminal]

There is a 0% chance that hiplop is mafia.
There is a 0% chance that hiplop is cult recruiter.

I'm just ignoring Andrius from here on out. Every single thing he's said has been Blackberry-level, but without the obvtown-thought-process that Blackberry oozes.

[Mr Subliminal]

Ludi, if you fail to see how we've been calling you the most likely cult recruiter for the last 40 pages, we suggest you try something we like to call "reading." If you think we're being duplicitous about this, you have plenty of ISO to work with.

Andrius, you wanting to block is unsurprising. We even put it into the plan, because we know you're either derping or antitown and we're too lazy to figure out which.

Muffin, if you want to come up with a plan, knock yourself out. We require that something in the plan either confirms or blocks Kast and Toasty.

[Mr Subliminal]

Because Ludi, Kast, Toasty are our pool for recruiters.

We really like Kast's breadcrumb of his N1 result, but it doesn't convince us that he's not a recruiter.

[Mr Subliminal]

unless you think recruits can talk to the CR immediately after being recruited?

wait, no, still doesn't work, because you'd have to explain where npiau comes into it.

We can't explain the crumb. That's why we don't want to lynch Kast today (as we proposed in #2503). Otherwise, we'd be all over lynching Kast as we outlined. But since we can't explain the crumb in the context of a recruiter, we're not.

Still, the pool for possible recruiters is incredibly low, and if it's not Ludi then it has to be Kast or Toasty and we want to cover all bases.

How do you explain our crumb?

A crumb of tracker results >>>>>>>>>>>> a name claim. Seriously now.

[Mr Subliminal]

Did you miss the White Lantern claim, Nikanor, or do you not believe it?

[Mr Subliminal]

Vote: Subliminal

His trying to take over the night actions is troubling and distracting with regards to finding the CR.

Because Lord knows, what this town needs is less direction. It's just running too well, and is sharp and focused and certainly isn't wallowing around at all.

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>_>

[Mr Subliminal]

yes. I think there is a good chance he is anti-town. Looking at the WL pm, unless I'm fucking blind; theres nothing in those posts that proves ANYTHING. It honestly makes a lot of sense.

Do you think zMuffinMan is lying about seeing the obvious breadcrumb, then?

Here. We'll be more obvious.

Read the WL PM.

Read #675.

Tell us whether or not you see the breadcrumb.

[Mr Subliminal]

(This is of course neverminding the fact that zMuffinMan already confirmed its there, and that if we were CR, we can't have any recruits due to NPIAU being N1 recruit and us being blocked N2.)

Heh, reading from a fakeclaim proves nothing.

Hiplop, now's your time to activate

That's very interesting

sarcasm

coming from someone who's entire defense is based around his claim.

[Mr Subliminal]

Heh, your defense for not being Cult Recruiter is that you have no recruits? So sorry about that MR. recruiter, maybe better luck next game.

No, the defense against being cult recruiter is obvtown play plus WL claim. Your attack that "Oh, your WL claim is a fakeclaim" is just lulzy given that your entire defense is "Guiz, I'm a blue ring doctor!!1111eleventyone".

@Kdub:

The plan is:

Toasty jailkeeps Kast
vezokpiraka delays Kast
Andrius roleblocks Mr Subliminal
Oversoul tracks whomever the fuck he wants
Blackberry investigates whomever the fuck he wants
Nikanor, MuffinMan, hiplop do whatever the fuck they want
Someone gives us a ring

[Mr Subliminal]

The fake claim was a JOAT. By your logic, BB and Kdub are clear too. Because of a JOAT fakeclaim? No.

[Mr Subliminal]

Toog's claim was JOAT, NOT Doc!

[Mr Subliminal]

Half of my defense is certainly, being the only original blue lantern, original doctor, and my role balancing the game, already a doctor fakelcaim out there, yeah, It's pretty certain I'm not fakeclaiming.

That's actually all of your defense, because Lord knows you haven't played a town game at all.

Mr. S, can you explain the reasoning behind each of those actions for the plan?

Er. Thought it was pretty cut and dried, but ok:

Toasty jailkeeps Kast - Toasty, Ludi, and Kast are the three potential CRs. If Ludi is dead, Toasty jailkeeps Kast.
vezokpiraka delays Kast - No other good target for vezok to delay.
Andrius roleblocks Mr Subliminal - We would vastly prefer that Andrius roleblock Toasty at this point, as that would have all of the CR candidates blocked. But, for whatever derp reason, Andrius thinks we're the recruiter, and it's easier to say "roleblock us" than it is to convince him otherwise.
Oversoul tracks whomever the fuck he wants - We think it's pretty obvious from play that Oversoul is not lying about his claim, so is not the recruiter.
Blackberry investigates whomever the fuck he wants - Same as Oversoul.
Nikanor, MuffinMan, hiplop do whatever the fuck they want - White Lanterns are not recruiter, not mafia
Someone gives us a ring - We'd really like one.

[Mr Subliminal]

You're clearing people off a fuckig JOAT fake claim. THIS DOESNT WORK!

PEDIT: We strongly believe all the WLs started as town.
PEDIT 2: OMG ANDRIUS THAT SAME FUCKING QUESTION HAS BEEN ASKED TWICE ALREADY

[Mr Subliminal]

Of the other possibilities for lynch, we believe Kast's claim far, far, far, far more than Ludi's because of Kast's breadcrumb, and we believe Toasty's claim more than Ludi's because Toasty appears to give at least 3/8s of a damn about town, which is about 11/8s more than Ludi seems to.

BB and Kdub are clear too.

Pretty sure they are both town at this point. You don't?

The difference is that we think Blackberry isn't recruiter based on his play, not on his claim.

HEY MODS: If someone was culted and killed the same night, would they die before they were culted, or after?

Reading is tech: #1720

^ why is kdub clear

Uncc'ed claim of the Peregrine kill => not recruiter

[Mr Subliminal]

OI LUDI
YOU KNOW HOW YOU LOVE JUICY MOD-META?
NONE OF THE FAKECLAIMS IN BNM COINCIDED WITH ANY REAL TOWN ROLES
DIE

[Mr Subliminal]

AND THERE WAS A TOWN JOAT WITH A TOWN COP AND DOC AN VIG
SO STFU

[Mr Subliminal]

ANDRIUS
YOUVE BEEN YELLING AND TROLLIG AND SPAMMING ALL GAME SO DONT EVEN GO THERE
JUST COPY PASTA THE FOLLOWING

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[Mr Subliminal]

Calm post:
Look at his justification for being clear. A fake-JOAT. Now read my last couple posts that explain why this proves jack shit. Keep in mind Ludi is supposedly a danametaexpert.

NOW BACK TO YOUR REGULARLY SCHEDULED TROLLING

[Mr Subliminal]

FFS Andrius just end the day.
Mods, I wasn't aware we were subject to this BS-rule. But hey, saving those words for postgame

[Mr Subliminal]

Toasty is a protective role.

who the hell

PEDIT: We're aware of the rule existing. But we've raged plenty this game and haven't received a warning up till this point.

[Mr Subliminal]

I really feel like fighting the mods right now. Hold me back.
Or don't.

[Mr Subliminal]

God I really should save it for postgame.
I'll just stick with trolling WITHOUT capsraging till the end of the day.

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[Mr Subliminal]

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[Mr Subliminal]

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[Mr Subliminal]

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PEDIT: It was HAMMERTIME. Seriously Andy. Just fucking end it.

[Mr Subliminal]

We didn't claim right away because we didn't know how many WLs there were. Do Masons always fullreveal on D1? No. We were also under the impression that all WLs are Unrecruitable, so we hoped to

get culted

have the CR potentionally waste a Recruit.
Ludi's defense is absolute bullshit.
The hammer is obviously to be on Ludi.
We'll fullclaim tomorrow.

PEDIT: Where did the above vote magically appear from?

[Mr Subliminal]

Tomorrow as in the next Day Phase.
We have the CR caught and at L-1. Someone make Rosso proud.

[Mr Subliminal]

Rosso Carne.
I'm not going to claim right now. If my other head decides to come in and succumb to peer pressure, then balls to him. But there is no motivation for us to claim right now. We're all MCing tomorrow, aren't we?

[Mr Subliminal]

Orly Andy? What's your rolename? What does muffin do? Why should we claim when Ludi is the leading wagon?

[Mr Subliminal]

Oh, ffs. I leave for an hour and not only do we get a warning, but there's this?

We're an anticult role. We need a ring to use it, which we don't have, so we haven't taken any actions at all the entire game. That is the entirety of the claim you're going to get from us.

[Mr Subliminal]

Ugh. I can't make up my mind whether or not to vote for Ludi or Subliminal. Ludi's Day 1 play was highly suspect, but given his claim I highly doubt that he is the CR. I need some to speak facts to me that is not involved

Muffin please help

. Subliminal's play has been odd throughout the entire day and I don't understand why he wouldn't claim to receive a PM when the other WLs received their PM.

We have our reasons, and the entire long and short of it is that we did receive the PM, and it is confirmed that we received the PM.

His refusal to claim anything despite being so close to lynch and persistence to direct night actions is also suspect and I dislike that part of his play incredibly.

This is what we deserve, I suppose, for being one of the people who said that your derping it up and even missing the fact that you're NOT A GODDAMN ONE SHOT was some sort of towntell.

His gambit that brought suspicion onto Hiplop is strangely reversed in this scenario and that only adds to the confusion. I am probably going to have my vote remain Subliminal today, pending input from zMuffinMan, and I think it would be a good time to for Subliminal to claim so that everything is on the table and we can make an informed decision for the vote.

WE NEVER PUT ANY SUSPICION ONTO HIPLOP BEC...oh, caps lock, yeah...because he's 100% confirmed non-recruiter non-mafia which we've been saying SINCE DAY ONE.

Still not claiming though. Us claiming helps no one but cult.

ALSO, Andrius, THIS is making me rage:

a) NIGHT PLAN WITHOUT YOU BEING INVOLVED

I don't see a single goddamn person stopping you. I see you and Ludi and Toasty (of all people) yelling at us that the "Oh no Subliminal is behind that plan it'll kill babies", etc, but NO ONE IS PUTTING FORTH ANY DIFFERENT PLAN. So, and this part I say without caps, fuck all y'all.

[Mr Subliminal]

How about them Fullclaims?

I understand how you might have missed the gist of our response with all them words and sentences and stuff, so I've summarized it for you: No.

[Mr Subliminal]

Andrius, with all due respect: we don't give two shits about your (or, really, anyone's) rolename. We're satisfied you're not CR because of the tanstalas interaction N1 and the fact that NPIAU was the N1 recruit.

@Subliminal: Your motivation is that you are under suspicion as cult recruiter. Your unwillingness to claim whilst trying to control night actions is as infuriating as it is anti-town. So hurry the hell up and claim.

I understand how you might have missed the gist of our response with all them words and sentences and stuff, so I've summarized it for you: No.

[Mr Subliminal]

You asked for my name.
I gave it.

I take no responsibility for other head's derp attempts at arguments.

[Mr Subliminal]

What the fuck EVER.

EVERYONE'S name claim is either their role name or their fakeclaim name. It means NOTHING. It's USELESS. This is why I DON'T CARE ABOUT IT.

Actions, tracker results, etc, are USEFUL.
NAMES are NOT.

What. The. Fuck. About. This. Is. Hard. To. Understand?

[Mr Subliminal]

What if we lynch Ludi and he actually is the recruiter as you think he is?

Then the plan can b e ignored and people can fuck with whoever they think mafia is. Honestly, if Ludi is the CR, then I think the game is just sewn up.

Is there any non-WL reason for Mr. S, hiplop, and zMuffin to be cleared from being the recruiter?

Yes, because their play has been fucking town.

Same fucking reason we clear Blackberry and Oversoul and I don't see any people bitching about those.

[Mr Subliminal]

Has anyone else noticed how important people like Indigo-1 and Hal fucking Jordan are missing? Maybe Saint Walker being a fakeclaim isn't so much of a stretch anymore...

[Mr Subliminal]

We were never stretching, I'm just explaining to this DERPALERPALICIOUS town how Saint Walker can easily be a fake claim.

PEDIT: Are either of those WLs? No. Back to your corner.

[Mr Subliminal]

@Nikanor:

Did you miss our WL claim, or do you think it's fake?

[Mr Subliminal]

Also, before I go to bed, take a look at Ludi's ISO and compare it to ours. Ludi focuses on easy targets (hiplop, ToastyToast); when we attack him, he utterly drops his previous reads and switches focus to us. He pushes for our lynch without making any sort of other plans, that is: he's seen our plan but neither commented on it nor presented one of his own, which is doubly damning because the person he suspected before we attacked him -- hiplop -- is given a free pass in our plan ('cause we think it's pretty goddamn obvious that hiplop is neither CR nor mafia).

You think that Ludi would object to this. You think that Ludi would be trying to say, "If Subliminal is lynched and isn't CR, then we need to..." But he doesn't. Cause he doesn't goddamn care.

[Mr Subliminal]

Anywho, we've also got Kdub here to shoot whoever isn't lynched, and the OLC can cover blocking them in the meantime.

Andrius

FOR FUCK'S SAKE

FUCKING READ

Kdub had a *one-shot* Night-kill, which was used.

Srsly, it's fucking impossible to even take you seriously when you do this shit.

OLC blocks CJ and Nikanor.

Nikanor is not CR. hiplop is not CR. zMuffinMan is not CR. If it's not Ludi, then it's Kast or Toasty, and it's looking less and less likely that it's Kast.

Subliminal, I don't understand why you haven't fullclaimed yet other than "anticult" power. Every power can be considered "anticult" unless specifically designed to fight the cult like Cult Cop or Cult Doctor (WLC's flip pretty much destroyed my interest in this game... really killed all of the confidence I had).

Our power is specifically designed to fight the cult like Cult Cop or Cult Doctor. That's why we said it's entirely, 100% anticult, as in, literally does nothing if there is no cult in the game and literally has no effect on anything besides the cult.

Spoiler: For Blackberry

Seriously, we see what you're doing here, but we simply find it orders of magnitude less likely for someone besides Ludi to be CR. Whereas Ludi is all, "Guiz, it's got to be Subliminal, he's fakeclaiming WL" and if we're lynched, tomorrow it'll be "Guiz, it's got to be hiplop, he's fakeclaiming WL" and God forbid he lives after that, it'll be "Guiz, it's got to be Nikanor, he's fakeclaiming WL". Why? Because Ludi needs the WLs dead.

[Mr Subliminal]

No. Your vote has been only on me today.

I could explain what "find it orders of magnitude less likely for someone besides Ludi to be CR" means, but I doubt it would help.

I outlined several players who I thought were mostly likely cult recruiter. Your posts are full of so much misrepresentation.

Yes, hiplop. Like I said.

This person speaks the truth and should be listened to.

[Mr Subliminal]

Mr. S. I don't see why you are resisting claiming.

Because we're arrogant fucktwits.
Also, because we realize that our claim will both utterly destroy any usefulness our role has, and won't change anyone's mind because, as stated, no ring means no actions so there is zero chance of us being confirmed either way by the claim.

That is, the claim won't change anyone's mind of whether we're scum or not, but will destroy any usefulness that we may have if we live.

So, no. No fucking claim.

You have continued to lose credibility in my opinion nearly all day today. Part of it may be OMGUS for your nonsensical insistence on keeping me at 1 or 2 on your list, but certainly doesn't help that you have ceased to present rational arguments and are taking a "because I said so" approach to everything.

That's because very little has occurred during this Day that has been rational. We fought to have Candlejack lynched over WeyounsLastClone, who, may I remind you, was the CULT DOCTOR, and yet somehow everyone looks at us and thinks "Oh, Subliminal, not wanting to lynch the cult doctor, that's such a recruiter-tell for you because you play goddamn horribly."

In fact, our play-as-recruiter really leaves a lot to be desired. We along with Oversoul have been on all the mafia lynches, so, hooray for making ourselves a Night-kill target, but we've avoided jumping on what could be easy lynches like Toasty or Oversoul. Furthermore, we are 10000000000000% that none of the White Lanterns, who are of course ANTI FUCKING CULT, should be suspected or lynched or whatnot, further cementing that we're just really shitty at this whole CR business.

Andrius should realize this, but he's derping it up. I (at least) still think he's town, but the level of thought or attention he's put into this game is mind bogglingly small.

You being placed where you are on the list was pre-revealing your breadcrumb. I leave you there out of inertia and over a general feeling of unease about how you claimed; pre-breadcrumb, we would've been satisfied with lynching you and having Toasty jailkeep Ludi, but we revised that in the light of your breadcrumb. More than that is just meh until we see what D4 brings.

Nikanor is confirmed to not be the recruiter, but he should still claim with everyone else.

Er, no. There's zero reason for him to do that if you don't think he can be the recruiter. Z-E-R-O.

[Mr Subliminal]

You're FULL of crap. You also have been on both town lynches as well.

If you don't think we fought to not have WLC lynched, you could actually go and read the first part of the Day. You were there. We'll wait.

Ok the "arrogant fucktwits" need death.
Sorry.
NOT CLAIMING IN A MASSCLAIM IS STUPID.

Sure. We claim vanilla town until we receive a ring. Which we haven't. Oh, this claim doesn't change anything for you? Fucking surprise there.

I typed some pretty mean words here to you, Andrius, ain't gonna lie, but I went and took them back out; not only were they not going to be effective, but I simply can't tell if you're just playing at a vezokpiraka level or if you really think you're playing well. I'm not certain which of these is worse, actually; the idea that you may really consider this your "good play" scares the living bejeezus out of me.

I admit I was impressed with you at the end of ASoS, where I was blinded by hasdgfas' daykilling but you went and looked at his play and found him to be scum. But here it's complete role reversal -- you're clearing Ludi based on "doctor" and "blue ring" and not looking at his play one bit, which is so self-survival-orientated it physically hurts. You were all "there's no point in mass claiming it'll just hurt town" there, and here you're all "IknowthatyourclaimwillchangenothingbutI'mgoingtowringitoutofyourcolddeadhandseventhoughthisisacultgameandsomassclaimisreallybad." Ludi's done nothing all game except attack weak players and those who attack him. Ludi's not thinking about things from a town mindset, he's not trying to work things out. We would say you were his recruit except you've been doing this since D1, so, loldunno. I'm just sad at the words that are coming out of your mouth.

[Mr Subliminal]

On a cheerier note, a question for Ludi.
Is hydra dissonance scummy?

[Mr Subliminal]

Actually, that can be for everyone off the Ludi wagon too.

[Mr Subliminal]

Mr. S. You didn't resist WLC because of the anti cult doctor claim. You resisted because you insisted he is mafia. You're putting a lot of spin on your positions, or you've convinced yourself you're so accurate that you're changing what you remember to match what happened.

Ftr, I agree Ludi si most likely CR at this point, but you approach to this hasn't felt very pro town. It just feels mulish and surly.

Kast, please read what I wrote and then what you wrote and then consider it from the point of Subliminal-recruiter. Our point was and is that we were opposed to the lynch of a cult doctor. Yes, we thought he was a mafia cult doctor...but if we were really the recruiter, that should just have made us have been more likely to lynch him, being a double threat.

@Subliminal: Scum/Cult with a WHITE FAKE CLAIM makes them...not anti-cult. Why is it so hard to get that someone is probably lying?

We do not believe any of the WLs are lying. We feel very strongly about this. We agree that someone is lying. Captain Obvious says hello. We just think its Ludi.

Look how quickly he shifts from "I think its hiplop" to "I think its Subliminal" even though we've been agitating that he's antitown since D1. We post a Night action plan for after his lynch that doesn't include hiplop at all -- as we think hiplop is town -- and he doesn't comment on it. He literally shifts from hiplop to us when he's at L-1, and from that point forward all mention of hiplop gets dropped. He's simply trying to push whichever wagon he can get to save his own skin.

[Mr Subliminal]

I'm not voting until we get claims from those who haven't done so yet. I believe that would be Nikanor, zMuffin, and hiplop.

This is a bad idea. Claims for the sake of claims in a cult game is a terrible idea.

[Mr Subliminal]

He obviously saw how much Mr. Sub was talking out in circles, and making stuff up, and decided to vote the player most likely to be Cult Recruiter.

Again, check Ludi's ISO. "Attack hiplop", "attack hiplop", "attack hiplop", "get to L-1", "ignore hiplop, attack Subliminal", "ignore hiplop, attack Subliminal", "ignore hiplop, attack Subliminal"

[Mr Subliminal]

Kdub, Berry please hammer this man. While I don't want a massclaim, Mr sub has been for everyone claiming and he coordinating, yet when people ask him to claim he refuses, and then switches to what I've been saying all along that randomly claiming is bad. He is desperate, and changed his tune to whatever he thinks people want to hear.

Show us where we've ever been for anyone but the person we wanted lynched (that is, you) claiming.

Your "changed his tune" is pretty awesome, given that's what you did with hiplop/us.

If WL are willing to vote their own buddy who also got the WL PM, I want to know what the PM said.

You'll note us asking Nikanor if he's seen our WL claim or not. Still waiting for an answer on that.

[Mr Subliminal]

The fact that some of the WL are fine with voting someone else that got the WL PM and yet aren't responding tells me that ALL OF THE PEOPLE claiming to have received the WL PM are either lying or hiding something (such as, only those with WL PMs can be recruited... nopoint for example). Why are we letting Muffin/hiplop/Nikanor slide by when it's shown they are lying about their WL PM and nobody will reveal what exactly the WL PM is?

Muffin/hiplop/Nikanor are non-mafia, non-CR. We do not support a hiplop lynch.

(This hurts us to say about Nikanor, but is still true. Our only complaint about Nikanor at this point is how he seems to be actively ignoring the thread, and our question in it.)

Your point is correct, though, that Ludi should have no reason for voting us above hiplop...except that he's willing to take any lynch that's not him.

So confuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuused

This entire post was terrible. You're not some fucking noob. Stop trying to act like one.

[Mr Subliminal]

@Sub-I seriously doubt you could have any town role which is better to be mislynched than claimed and left alive. If you're unwilling to believe that you might be lynched today, then you're not paying attention. I think Ludi was complaining about the numbers already, and though his scare tactic was way off base (it's ridiculous to count mafia & potential cult as a single anti-town voting bloc), town is better off with the extra body (even if it's a useless PR) than if we waste our lynch on a stubborn townie.

We understand our proximity to lynch. However, we also believe that if we were to claim, none of the people currently voting us would unvote, since the claim is entirely unverifiable at this point.

[Mr Subliminal]

@Sub-
Half the people voting you are unsure and hopping between yourself and Ludi.
Most of them are voting you because Ludi claimed to formerly be a doctor and now be a traditionally scum PR. His claim is both unverifiable and inherently suspicious.

Even if you are lynched despite claiming, how does that hurt town? You've locked out another potential anti-cult role that scum might use as a fake claim.

If we're hammered, we'll claim after the hammer.

However, the way the role works, it's useful if cult is aware of it. And since we do not see any indication that claiming will keep us from getting lynched, we're risking it.

If someone who's voting us is voting us solely because we're not claiming, let us know. We'll make up a claim and then you can unvote and we'll all be happy.

Ludi/Sub flips CR:
Toasty jailkeeps hiplop/Nikanor/Muffin
Andrius blocks me
Oversoul tracks Kast/tans
vezok delays hiplop/Nikanor/Muffin
Blackberry investigates hiplop/Nikanor/Muffin

Ludi/Sub flips non-CR:
Toasty jailkeeps Ludi/Sub (whoever we didn't lynch)
Andrius blocks me
Oversoul tracks Toasty
vezok delays hiplop/Nikanor/Muffin
Blackberry investigates hiplop/Nikanor/Muffin
(Ludi investigates hiplop/Nikanor/Muffin if we didn't lynch him)

hiplop/Nikanor/Muffin are neither cult recruiter nor mafia.

Or, to put it another way: if we're the cult recruiter, then none of hiplop/Nikanor/Muffin are (this should be obvious), and if we're town, we're telling the truth, and then none of hiplop/Nikanor/Muffin are recruiter. Get this?

If we don't get lynched, we don't want Toasty jailkeeping us, as that will keep us from receiving a ring. We are fine with Andrius roleblocking us or vezokpiraka delaying us.

[Mr Subliminal]

I'm tired.

unvote
vote mr s

Ludi : A townie won't shout. I'm L-1 because he doesn't care too much if he dies as long as the town gets something from it. Cr or scum on the other hand try thier best to stay alive.

So we're hammered.

We're Maxwell Lord, the Cult Counter.

We were uncultable.
Our power Cult Counter: if we got a White Ring, we could once-per-game send in a list of three names. If they were recruited, they would become unrecruited (we mind wipe them). Never got a White Ring, so this never really applied.

We are 100% because of role info that Nikanor, zMuffinMan, and hiplop are non-CR, non-town. Our townflip will confirm that this is true.

Ludi is our #1 choice for CR, and needs to be blocked tonight. If he's not, honestly we don't know -- everyone else has a good explanation of why they're not the CR.

We suspect some sort of connection between Andrius and tanstalas -- we don't believe this is recruiter/recruitee, because it occurred D2 along with the confirmed NPIAU recruiting, but we do see possible Andrius/tanstalas scumpair. Not sold on this -- it's also possible that Andrius really does just play this badly -- but it is something to remember.

In addition to the White Lanterns (Nikanor, Muffin, hiplop), we are certain Blackberry and Oversoul are town.