Toy Story Mafia (Day 9)

[Hiraki]

Sorry, I'll have a catchup later.

[Hiraki]

YEAH.

LET'S DO THIS.

KAWARRRRR.

That's a scummy name if I've ever heard one!

Also what's y'alls site nicknames.

You can call me Soda, SS17 or whatever really...

This is so hypocrtical it hurts. Not scummy though. Bobsnox is erghletown. I'm not going to do much RVS telling because it's a bit late anyway.

Ohai guys. No random vote from me today. Haters gonna hate.

how did we let him--

Whatever.

YES BECK WAGON

Town. Seriously.

@diddin: Since that one game that one time a while ago, I can't read you. How should I fix this problem?

ignoring is my solution

lololloklolool

1] Why did you decide to give mafiascum a try?
2] How do you react to people attacking you?
3] What will you be known for in this game?
4] What is your time zone?
5] How frequently can we expect you to post?

1)f
2)u
3)c
4)k
5)u

These questions are fucking useless and you know it.

No I am not scum, are you?

Call this a wacky tell, but scum say this more than town. I know this is true for me. I've actually decided to stop saying that in these cases because it's totally true.

I wouldn't mind a wagon for pressure.

I have been playing on GameFAQs.

credibility...

lost

nintendo are you scum?

Yes I am scum, good job finding me so quickly.

The above definitely appeals to Nintnedo.

Seriously.

Ninty IGMEOU.

And it's not cuz of your most recent post.

Nice way of saying, I AM SUSPICIOUS BUT I NO TELL YOU WHY

LOL

not funny

worried he is going to do it again?

wait for the opportunity to pounce....

I'm sure of this happening. Thank god this game is on Page 10. You all require my presence.

#65 is glowball town.

FlavourAnalysis: We know who both heads are. I don't see the point in limiting your chances of winning by not labeling the heads.

#80 doesn't make any sense.

3) The person who didn't answer all the questions at once, or in the right order even.

GREAT FIRST POST.

SERIOUSLY.

Seems

a little wishy washy

AWESOME

I like kendall.

Okay guys.

There are 5 questions. They are all really stupid.

Stop making posts just on them. They are not content.

VOTE: kendall

Very aggressive, when called out goes 'oh well this is the way I play making opinions known is protown' blah blah blah. He's trying to be Alpha Dog, and this early in the game I find that rather suspicious.

yup.

kendall is town.

I think bobsnox = Jester, actually. Look, he's simply posting dumb things.

You should read your posts before posting them.

kthx.

#171 is mucho scummy. In fact,

Unvote, Vote: mikehart

Why? He unvoted and then only FoS'd one person. If he voted, that'd be cool. But he didn't.

town reminder: mafia members are threatened by players with a voice. i guarantee that the mafia want me dead right now.

This guy jizzes town.

Vote: kendall

HOW CAN YOU GUYS DO THIS?

I don't see how you're providing anything useful to the town

LOL

LOL

LOL

LOL

LOL

LOL

hypocrtical to the maxxxx

Uhh, your whole is.

Then you need to play better.

are you all blind

Tired of the kendall distractions. Everything she is saying is meaningless to me.

This entire game is a game full of blundering idiots.

HOLY SHIT.

PEREGRINEV.

WHAT THE FUCK.

YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO MAKE GOOD POSTS.

That's more than newbie paranoia, glowball.

If you're calling her newbie scum, I think you need to read some old newbie games.

Don't want to read Flavor's wall, so I'ma end this with a list.

Beck

Beefster

bobsnox

Bogre

chkflip

diddin

DonJosh

Flavour Analysis

FourseenCircumstance

glowball

hiraki

jmurph3

k e n d a l l

kondi2424

mb53

mikehart

NanookTheWolf

nintendoaddict1

PeregrineV

Ray Montano

Silver1337

SnakeSide

SodaSpirit17

Umbrage

Whee.

[Hiraki]

see.

easy does it.

[Hiraki]

Guys.

When Nintendo talks about the person as though they are confirmed scum, they are basically confirmed town.

kthx, move on to better targets.

[Hiraki]

Hey idiots. I don't do this very often. And when I do, I'm annoyed to do so because it's on the major point of WIFOM.

If K e n d a l l flips scum, you can lynch me tomorrow.

(lol he's protecting his scumbud so hard)

[Hiraki]

Cool. But I prefer not to line up lynches.

You scumbags need to die.

[Hiraki]

Ray. Who else is scum?

[Hiraki]

the thing that bothers me about this is that, as we all know, mafia members are aware of who is in the town. you seem to know 100 percent that i am town on day one, enough to stake your life in D2 for it.

and that is why I don't like doing it.

But I'm confident that you are town.

[Hiraki]

[quote="UmbrageThe bolded is argueably a scumslip even, as she is already assuming that we have one team when I see nothing in the flavor that suggests a single-scum setup.[/quote]or a reaction test.

Either way, this is classic Umbrage VI.

Moving on.

[Hiraki]

Ray. Who else is scum?

Dumb question. Don't waste my time.

Answer the question now.

[Hiraki]

Answer the question now.

No. When I think I've found scum you'll get my push on them. Also, get over yourself.

Translation: I have no other scumreads because I my scumpush is so oblivious I'm not caring about anything else.

[Hiraki]

Translation: You're not getting what you want so you're resorting to bitching.

Nope, I'm cool.

Seems you're a bit hot though.

Lose a game of hot potato?

[Hiraki]

Diddin has 6 posts and is Ray's strongest scumread(next to kendall)

I don't even have to read what he said to validate that Ray is full of shit.

[Hiraki]

The mod.

He's unlynchable anyway.

[Hiraki]

Can you name some people you've played with?

[Hiraki]

fuck your veteran bullshit

Not only do I love you, you're still not scum.

FFS GUYS.

THIS IS BLATANTLY OBV. BOLD NEWB. TOWN.

[Hiraki]

What're the points on DonJosh?

He seems like a cool dude.

[Hiraki]

Umbrage is a VI. Ignore him.

If there's anyone we're going to policy lynch, it's him.

That's not that bad.

It's actually more townie for an admittance to sheeping in terms of pressure. I can see how it's scummy, but it's definitely not vote worthy.

[Hiraki]

Who suggested the serial killer thing?

[Hiraki]

I'm switching votes tomorrow. I was going to do earlier but then jmurph posted and I want to get her reads tomorrow first.

Someone here give me reasons why Ray is town, other than being active.

I dare you.

[Hiraki]

?

[Hiraki]

Just checking. Thats what I wanted to hear.

my pressure has no effect

sigh

umbrage is still a vi

[Hiraki]

Which pressure?

Believe me if we want to high five and kill Josh I'm down for that more

See that headshot picture?

that's agreeing with your statement before.

pressure

comin down--

I stated in the next post why I was suspicious.

Was that after someone asked you show or from your own actions.

can you please tell me the truth so i don't have to waste meaningful energy?

I saw your post where you would let everyone lynch you if kendall flipped scum.
You must be VERY certain kendall is town. Do you have any evidence? Or are you judging her posting style.

Well, I'm not a daycop so no.

I don't have concrete evidence. I do have the most concrete idea that he is town though.

You'll see my game ramp up in D2, that's when I analyze the bandwagons.
I didn't mean the bob thing as a joke for once. I'm pretty sure either kendall (or the replacement) or bob or umbrage is a jester.
Umbrage, you're defending yourself a bit much. Not sure if trolling or not.

Scrap that.

If Silver doesn't have at least 10% of the posts in this game, he's confirmed scum.

NINTY WAS REPLACED?

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[Hiraki]

what?

[Hiraki]

It was after Ninty asked why. I interpreted you posting as if I didn't support my reason at all.

Oh. I see.

Well then that's bad.

[Hiraki]

Diddin.

We lynch scum.

Not safe choices.

[Hiraki]

he's ignoring me.

Yup.

[Hiraki]

I find Hiraki unintelligent, obnoxious, and generally unhelpful. But his play could be town or scum. Right now I don't see any reason to suspect him as being scum, just rogue town.

Butthurt answer right here.

That vote is even worse, considering that no one is on diddin and he was your top read.

[Hiraki]

You've had one.

One quote that you agreed with.

[Hiraki]

One quote that you agreed with.

I've liked everything diddin's said about Umbrage. I'm not going to sit here and go "^^^ LUBBIN' IT!" after every post I agree with. That'd be stupid.

But still.

You had an entire wall and just QFT on one post.

You don't have to say everything about Diddin however liking one thing about him so much that you can post it, shouldn't make him a town read after he was your scummiest scum read.

Hiraki- why are you voting mikehart?

Because he's obv. scum.

[Hiraki]

Never said that diddin was a town read, because he's not.

Good.

That satisfies me much more.

Why's he a scumread again, now that he's active?

[Hiraki]

why aren't you dead.

[Hiraki]

Since these backanaros can't find scum,

yes.

Unvote, Vote: RayMontano

[Hiraki]

He is, but this is usual bobsnox.

So it's okay.

[Hiraki]

Bobs isn't scum.

[Hiraki]

Hey MikeHart. I want a VOTE. I want thoughts.

Hey, you got my name right this time. I have no vote atm because I need to post a wall. Will

definitely

get on tonight and post said wall though. You may or may not get a vote but your pushiness regarding a vote is duly noted and may negatively affect whether I vote or not.

I hope that last bit was sarcastic.

Not sure though.

[Hiraki]

@ Umbrage, why are you defending DonJosh so much? Can you give me examples of how he "reeks of town"?

Hm. You're not asking why Hiraki is defending bob? Our posts are quite close to each other. Interesting.

Classic deflection, and exactly what I thought you'd do as scum.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Umbrage

FFS.

WE'VE BEEN OVER THIS.

UMBRAGE IS A VI.

[Hiraki]

Nope.

He's too townie.

I don't see why scum would deliberately give up on Day 1.

[Hiraki]

Think about it as scum:

Write a wall of nonsense that manages to get you not lynched hopefully when they want you dead OR:
Do nothing and hope for some pity.

If he's actually playing B, which I know your or me would never attempt, he can get away with it for today.

There are much bigger fish to fry.

[Hiraki]

I want to see more from you, especially more substantiation behind your scum reads. I see MikeHart and Ray, anyone else?

I made an entire list.

What the fuck.

It's not like I randomly made that list either.

@Hiraki: Why did you keep your vote on MikeHart from your catch-up post until #608? The entire time you were pushing Ray and really never addressed MikeHart beyond your initial suspicions of "He unvoted and then only FoS'd one person. If he voted, that'd be cool. But he didn't." So why keep your vote there for so long?

Because they're both scum?

No one was supporting a Ray wagon and I made it quite clear that I believe he's scum.

Don't like #298, I understand it's supposed to express confidence in a town read but that's just as easy for scum to do as town.

You spell null with one n, one u and two l's. Not with don't like.

Didn't like the kendall gambit.

Gambit?

What the fuck? I knew he was town because he's a fucking newbie town to the max. I read newbies like they are for breakfast.

Not explaining his vote on mike beyond 'He's obvscum'

even when asked.

Bullshit to the motherfucking max.

I'm generally pissed off at this post because it's all fake, rather than all real. It's actually atrocious and obv. kondi writing.

[Hiraki]

Why is Ray scum? Thoughts on Beefy?

Lol. Don't want to.

no comment on Beefy yet, but I'm pretty sure I'm null on him.

[Hiraki]

Why is Ray scum?

Lol. Don't want to.

I hope you try to go somewhere fun with this later.

I've already explained how you are scummy.

That's why I don't want to.

I'm really getting to that point where I will post a wall of rapeshit.

Diddin knows this, as do many other people.

So come on.

Push me.

[Hiraki]

Push me.

What's the matter? I mean its not like your case is really that great to begin with. So what's there to push?

I took Gotham's white knight and I brought him down to our level. It wasn't hard. You see, madness, as you know, is like gravity. All it takes is a little push!

Go time.

[Hiraki]

Hiraki, are you down with the plan?

Can you quote it?

I don't feel like doing anything right now other than pinpointing Rayscum, which I will do later(pro procrastinator)

[Hiraki]

Votes on the biggest BW for crap reasons with very little said

This is it?

This is the crap that is causing such a fuss?

FFS. The wall is coming today, and will force all mortal beings to vote Ray.

[Hiraki]

Let's begin.

flip are you waiting for all 23 players to answer before providing any individual feedback?

Okay.

I guess Ray is going to wonder if Flip's going to get any information from these questions.

I can understand something like this in a game with half the number of players but having to keep track of 23 other players opinions on questions like that seems a little...unnecessary to me.

Oh.

So um.

I guess not?

What basically Ray is saying here, apparently to Chk's reply, is that chk's opinions aren't bad, tracking each player's opinions is a bit unnecessary.

First off, this implies that Ray thinks there is some sort of scumhunting method found within in these questions. So wouldn't find what everyone said be useful?

Second off, Ray is really just acting like town by questioning the status of these questions. He's not questioning Chkflip on

why

the questions are there and how they may help, but only that tracking the answers of the questions, the things that you know are the most important is unnecessary. This already struck a horrible cord with me in the development of logic.

ISO 5 is meh, but I'm not up for explaining it. Pretty much summed down to two main things. Useless argument, and different opinions how things are done. It's between him and kendall, fyi.

I'm assuming you're directing this at me since you basically just responded to my post. IMO you don't need to point something like that out if you don't have anything to worry about it. Clearly, you're worried about many things.

Ray 6.

This is in reference to a Nanook but Ray too, as he states.

there's a huge problem with this post. and i'm not going to let it slide.

We'll break it down. Sentence by sentence.

Yes. It is that big.

Skipping the first sentence.

IMO you don't need to point something like that out if you don't have anything to worry about it.

There's a difference between need and want. kendall did not have to point that out. For once, however, and only once, kendall has a decent point. There are a lot of games where I've latched onto someone's ideas as scum, been lynched and got rid of the person I latched onto as well. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. What Kendall was doing was actually really pro-town. Therefore, I'd be extremely surprised if she and Nanook were both scum, but it'd be a really good switch(that's why there's a reasonably low chance of them both being scum, and one being more scum than the other. Yes, I am calling Nanook out.)

Here's the atomic bomb though.

Clearly, you're worried about many things.

Scumbells should've been ringing right here. Perhaps not at that last sentence but here?

FUCK

YEAH.

First, Ray has never called Kendall scum. Sure, it's obvious that he's suspicious, but at the moment he's playing a safe game. Not too interested in this small tell though.

Second, Ray notes that Kendall is paranoid. So, what does this usually tell people? You know, should we institute the same tells to people that are more paranoid under small amounts of pressure than others?

Hell no.

This may be a VI mistake, but Ray states that this is an alt. I'm not willing to let it slide that easily. Ray has noticed that Kendall was an opportunity waiting to happen, and the seed starts to grow right here.

Third, and this is a small point too, but Ray really didn't need to say this but added it in anyway. This post could've been fine without it. In fact, maybe I might not think he was scum(doubtful) because of it. However, this is what he said and it is infuriatingly scummy.

Excuse. If we start allowing things like that to slip by the game gets way too muddled.

ISO 7.

Basically Ray is saying here, that because Kendall could be a newbie, and obviously paranoid as he has stated, there should be no excuses.

is this fucking serious.

I'm going to skip the next part because it's basically the same.

So um ISO 7 - Episode 3

HOLD. UP. Jesus I was writing it up. Push me again and you get nothing.

It's posts like these that invalidate if Ray can even act as good town. I mean, really? Are you getting butthurt because Flavor asked twice?

Really? Are you like 12?

If your win condition is to player for yourself then great! You're probably doing an amazing job. But if your win condition is to play on a team with players who do not know anyone's alignment and can only gain information from logical assessment points (of which you should be helping to provide) then booooo. You are failing. It seems to me that you are only concerned with numero uno and that is not a pro-town attitude.

This is quite the pointless argument and you should be aware of that.

Why are you not?

I have no clue.

Better question.

Where's the vote.

Stating that purpose and then telling what to pay attention to negates any purpose you had.

Is this supposed to make sense?

1. Asking why you should answer the question before answering is...somewhat reasonable, if not just being difficult. But then asking if its for a mafia purpose? That's just ridiculous. Do you expect him to answer yes? Not logical.

This isn't scummy.

2. Stating that you're unsettled by a player making an excuse for tunneling is...somewhat reasonable. But then following it up with its because its indicative of "eager mafia"? Why didn't you ask why he would provide an excuse for tunneling and call him out on it instead of giving a copout reasoning behind your suspicion? If your suspicion is valid then you wouldn't have to over-explain yourself and you can nail him with the "its indicative of eager mafia" if he reacts poorly. The focus is taken off what you're suspicious of, and instead puts it on this "eager mafia" claim. Not logical.

You're just tagging Kendall as scum because of his word choicing.

If I called everyone I thought was mafia, mafia and included all people that I was wary of because I was paranoid as well, you'd get the same from me.

Basically, you're targetting Kendall because she's using mafia rather than other names to denote people. Kendall had decent logic at times, as you've stated. However, she did say ridiculous things to start instigation which is a scumtell here, but apparently not at her original site.

Don't ask me questions I've already answered.

Butthurt play, part 2.

Get over yourself.

Is this a joke?

Kendall just wanted answers. No need to be so harsh, especially when you've noted, as I've brought up multiple times, that you should realize that she was paranoid of everything to the extreme.

Do I do the same thing? Yes.

Do I make it apparent? No.

Kendall and I have extremely similar playstyles, except that she lets her thoughts be known, and I only let some of them. The extreme disadvantage to her way of playing is that she has no trap cards, no real way to keep things inside. The advantages? Her reads are known, and it's a pretty townie way of doing things.

I don't see how you're providing anything useful to the town, I don't think you're attempting to generate discussion that can provide information on other players' alignment, and I think you're in this game all about yourself...which is a significantly anti-town attitude.

The first isn't a scumtell, the second is an assumption at best, and the third is another assumption.

Basically, Ray has a faulty case.

Tired of the kendall distractions. Everything she is saying is meaningless to me.

And this is what divided if you were just arrogant town or scum.

Arrogant town being this arrogant means that I basically never want to play with you again, and if I'm in a game with your alt and you bring it up I will leave immediately.

This isn't classy, polite, or even making anyone have fun in the game. It's basically "LOL. KENDALL IS PLAYING? LEME GO AHEAD AND IGNORE HER, AND VOTE HER. BUT GIVE HER NO CHANCE TO REBUT"

I swear. If you're not fucking scum.

ACTUALLY kendall, you stated nothing about me before I targeted YOU. So this:

Perhaps because the only thing you were discussing were the validity(not even that much so) of chk's questions.

You weren't even doing anything before 162 either, if you want to make that case. Kendall was scumhunting other people though, so argument flawed part 2.

Well then kendall's being quite inconsistent, yeah?

You've noted 0 inconsistencies.

If paranoia is justified to you find it useful?

Is this a joke

I don't see why paranoia can't be useful in getting a read on a player and I don't see why you can't just answer the question.

OH.

OH GOD.

IS THIS SERIOUS?

NO, THIS IS TOO BEAUTIFUL FOR MY EYES.

KENDALL IS PARANOID AS FUCK, AND YOU STILL HAVE A SCUMREAD ON HER?

OH GOD.

MAMA MIA.

If I'm not clear on what's going to be useful to you then I'm not sure what kind of read I'm supposed to be getting on you.

I'm not sure if anyone should trust your shitreads at this point.

I don't like this question. Asked to anyone by anyone.

Hmm. ISO 23.

Doesn't this smell a bit familiar?

Like Ray's rebuttal in ISO 5.

Yes, it does smell a bit familiar.

Not the most pleasant smell though.

so don't pretend like I just jumped on a wagon because it had the most votes.

You definitely took your merry time to put a vote down though amigo. Looks better on VCAs.

. If you're having trouble understanding then you can go dissect my posts until you've figured it out. Which should be...I don't know...three real life days ago. As for why I'm not voting any of my reads yet its because I'm 100% into any of their cases yet but if you'd just shut up and let me forget you exist and how much of a deterrence I think you're going to be it'd be much easier for me to switch over now.

Translation: I am Ray. Ray is butthurt. I'm not going to explain things over, and I'm definetly not going to quote myself to make things easy for you.

I, instead, know you're going to do nothing helpful for the town(easy lynch wheee) and will not try to defend yourself to make anyone else, or my town meta self, happy. Therefore, you should just rot.

Seriously. This is the feeling I get from every one of Ray's posts.

Translation: You're not getting what you want so you're resorting to bitching.

Sounds familiar.

I'm not going to answer stupid questions like "Who is scum". If I think I've found scum I'm going to push on them but I'm not going to push scum reads that I only half-ass believe in.

Considering this is an alt, apparently, I'm pretty sure that you were on this site.

SINCE WHEN THE FUCK WAS WHO WAS SCUM, equivalent to WHAT ARE YOUR READS, A STUPID QUESTION?

FOR FUCK'S SAKE.

Of course he does it in the next post, but more people jump on him for that. It's called peer pressure, and it's most definitely delicious.

Posts #1 and #3 are over-explanations to simple questions and #2 doesn't come off as genuine to me. To be honest, none of it comes off as genuine to me. All this overemphasis for really...no reason. There are two things that raise flags of guilty parties to me: over-explanation and unnecessary exasperation. And you did both.

Note something. This is ISO 31. ISO 30 Ray did scumreads(and shitty ones, like usual)

Glowball was a scumread in 30, but let's check out

why

.

Players who provide chainsaw defense for any other player, ESPECIALLY if it’s a case on a “newb” raise red flags for me. I don’t take them as genuine, and I’m much more inclined to believe a scum player would do it to make themselves appear more pro-town and become a sort of mother hen type of player (which I find extremely dangerous). Players who flip out in a flip of questioning also raise red flags for me. If the questions are basic and calmly stated without excess pressure then I don’t see the need to freak.

So basically, this read is of total opinion of how glowball phrases his posts.

And has no defining scumtells.

and is shitty.

I don’t really care if Don’s self-stated meta is accurate or not, but it does give him an out if pressured for not contributing, not starting wagons, and not joining a wagon late to lynch. Statements like that, and then joining a wagon with a half-ass reason, not sitting right with me.

You must like the lurkers.

To Note: I refreshed my page and went a bit screwy with the ISO. I try to keep numbers in, but I know I didn't do it all the time. Sorry if it confuses you a little.

@kendall And I'm not going to re-quote or adjust statements that I made about my reasoning for voting for you. If you don't like them, tough shit. And I did already explain why I'm voting for you rather than a player on my reads. If you aren't reading closely enough then again, tough shit.

Translation above.

No. Which is why I asked you to shut up so I can forget you exist.

Not only was this extremely rude, but Kendall makes a good point. At this point Ray, who has been showing Kendall as scum read since the beggining of his attacks, now admits that his vote was a placeholder.

is this a fucking joke.

I mean, really? You can't just target someone and say, "lol i was joking guys. he's actually not scum even though my reasons show myself that he is scum"

In addition, this is a simple case of working against motives of the town. If you really thought Kendall was town, then there is no reason to vote them no matter how much deadweight they carry. If their role is town, then you shouldn't lynch them knowing this information.

ISO 38 is interesting.

Especially that second response where Ray basically goes and states against what he's saying about Kendall. I'm going to make a really good guess here that Kendall is going to push this further and Ray is going to be more butthurt, basically because he couldn't take 10 seconds to explain his atrocious statement more.

So what are we supposed to do. Let kendall ride through the days and hope a vig gets a kill on her?

Um.

Yes? I don't see why you need to get rid of deadweight. Deadweight is only bad if stops you. If it works, don't fix it.

There have been a lot more discussions between players than just about kendall. Who are you getting scum reads on?

That's funny. Reading your ISO, the only people so far that I have encountered were Kendall, Flavor, Nanook, glowball, diddin, Umbrage, and probably another "scumread".

That's off the top of my head to note, and is probably at least 80% correct.

I'm switching votes tomorrow. I was going to do earlier but then jmurph posted and I want to get her reads tomorrow first.

DID YOU HEAR THAT GUYS.

RAY IS SWITCHING VOTES.

WOW.

MAGNIFICENT.

ISO 5.

When Mike is trying hard he's posting real great content. I'd like to see more from him just because I think his voice is necessary when we've got things like ^^^ that running around.

Note how Mike really isn't.

this is scumdefense at its best.

Not sure if that's a DJ defense, but Umbrage is official VI after that vote.

His "argument" with Rainbow was just ridiculous. Instead of debating things through he pouts and whines when questioned farther. Umbrage should be lynched.

HA.

HAHAHHAHA.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

I ACTUALLY LAUGHED WHEN I READ THAT, NO JOKE.

YOU SIR ARE HILARIOUS.

I don't see how we can be 20+ pages in and this is your only real read.

OH GOD. PLEASE, NO STOP.

IT'S NOT LIKE KENDALL WAS YOUR ONLY READ WHEN WE WERE 15 PAGES IN.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

If kendall were scum in this situation I would say her scum partners would most likely bus.

So this means that there's a good chance that everyone defending Kendal was town.

noted.

Even though his activity has picked up he's still not pushing Umbrage as hard as his vote would suggest.

Again, back with the "not doing what I'd do" scumtells. You're not everyone and everyone is not you. Please put this mentality on your head and fasten it tightly or tighter. Now, please.

ISO 52.

Scumbag Ray.

Quotes something for other players

Won't quote shit for scumread Kendall.

I hope you try to go somewhere fun with this later.

I did have a lot of fun today. So I did succeed in something.

[Hiraki]

See that #788?

It's really nice.

You should um.

Agree with it.

kthx.

[Hiraki]

he's helpful and I genuinely don't think he's scum.

I

OUTLINED

HOW HE ISN'T.

HE'S TUNNELED ON KENDALL ALL DAY BEFORE GOING TO OTHER PEOPLE HE PICKED OUT OF A HAT.

FFS.

Y U MAKE ME ANGRY

[Hiraki]

Hiraki - See problem there is that you crammed essentially an iso case of every post of his down our throats. That is a pain to read, and makes you look really biased (I know, me against Umbrage). I mean, he isn't a bad pick, but I like quite a few more at this point. Just tl;dr it for all of our sakes.

TL;DR

HE IS SCUM.

[Hiraki]

do you want me to show how Umbrage is a VI too?

you can ask.

(please do)

[Hiraki]

(probmafPR?)

[Hiraki]

Actually no.

That whole post is bad.

[Hiraki]

@Hiraki - Why is DJ town?

Again.

The case is that he's not supportive, so I last heard.

The case is stupid and/or weak.

[Hiraki]

Is that the new fad? He's lurking?

Give me a break. I've done that as scum and town.

It's called stress and "lol i anit dealing with this shit until i'm prodded"

[Hiraki]

Actually you never did explain how this chart works, but since mikehart and ray are bolded I'll assume those are scum reads. But that also means bobsnox is one of your scum reads here which is no longer accurate, correct? After #400 posts you want me to believe none of these opinions have changed, that your scum reads haven't changed? The ONLY two I know are still strong for you are MikeHart and Ray.

Because at the moment, they are the two that need to die.

The other bolds aren't as bad, but they're scum. I didn't think I needed to explain it either.

Yes, it was quite clear you believed that Ray was scum. It was also clear that your initial reasoning for MikeHart scum was alright, but at #600 posts in it was pretty damn weak and you did nothing to pressure him to provide more content. You pressured Ray a hell of a lot more and yet kept your vote on MikeHart until 400 posts later. 400 posts passed with your vote meaning absolutely nothing because you never acted on the scum read you had your vote on. And you didn't switch to Ray because...no one was supporting his wagon? You are not going to lynch your scum picks by waiting for wagons to magically form on them (Ray) or by putting your vote on them and then applying no freaking pressure (MikeHart).

Either were scum. This is how I work my votes. If you don't agree with it or see it as being productive then that's your idea. My idea? Pressure doesn't come from voting, it comes from words and the support of other people rather than the one upholds the first vote.

Kendall was attracting a lot of attention toDay, and had a lot of supporters as well as critics. Had she stuck around for the rest of the Day she may have been lynched, or there were calls for her to be vigged. As scum, putting yourself up for the next lynch if she flipped town would have been smart because she was likely to be a policy lynch/vig bait, and a town flip would look really good for you. This is why I didn't like it, because Kendall was so obvious, and your call to defend her was so obvious and disgusting. It was unnecessary

But this is assuming Kendall would flip town. If she flipped scum, and I was scum it wouldn't look bad at all.

Calling someone a town read and then flipping scum is bad, but only

after

the person flips scum. This works with town the opposite way, but it only works after the said player flips.

Before that, the only thing you can see is buddying relationships.

You don't KNOW he's town. So it's still a fucking gambit to keep your strongest town read alive, or if you are scum and kendall is town to look really good upon kendall's flip. And I'm not just going to take your word that you can read newbies soooo well that you are THAT confident. Again, it was NOT needed.

Did you just say it was a gambit to keep my strongest town read alive?

Why does it seem like you're going overboard with WIFOM that I know how mystical powers I can use to kill people with, aka scum. You don't know I'm scum either, so stop acting like it.

Don't take my word for it?

Here we go.

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 50&t=16915

That was the only explanation for your vote on MikeHart for 400 posts and it is a weak reason. Bogre saw this and asked about it and this was your response:

To be fair, I thought you were talking about yourself.

My reasoning stands for Mike because he's still barely posted anything since then.

Actually we are a July/Ran hydra. This is July

Aww.

I should feel bad.

But I don't.

oh well.

[Hiraki]

The other bolds aren't as bad, but they're scum.

This is stupid.

Funny.

[Hiraki]

Funny.

Not funny. You're going to be awful

for town players

in this game.

Slip.

And nice job responding to everything.

[Hiraki]

@Ray: Nice find: a wishy-washy statement from Hiraki. Or a miscommunication. We'll see.

How is this wishy-washy.

I can target every person on that list and show why they're scum.

At the moment though, I'm interested in Ray and Mike.

If interest piqued on one of the other peeps, I'd be cool with that too.

hiraki that's not a slip - it's a statement only scum make but it's not a slip

He said "for town players" denoting that he's not a town player.

why are you be so hateful.

[Hiraki]

Replace me

I can't stand one more fucking second of this piece of shit downtalking me.

[Hiraki]

EWBOP: Yes, it's butthurt, but I can't plausibly stay in this game.

Sorry for the major inconvenience again, but I'm really just not having fun in this game due to obvious player.

[Hiraki]

lol That was probably the whiniest, most spineless thing I've seen in all my time on this site.

This is why you have XX alts.

I'm done here.