Duplicity wrote:Fate and Gamma are still town as fuck, I don't understand their paranoia of each other at all though it's probably due to some previous incident. That said both of them need to keep the bickering out of this fucking thread, the "You're annoying me so I want to replace out!" was a bitch to read through, it really was and it's just letting mafia have a place to hide.
Getting strong town vibes from
Post #674 by Benmage however it's lacking mention of which votes he believes are opportunistic or bussing scum and which are misdirected town which is something I want him to go into in his next few posts. I'm starting to see where Shifts town-read on Ban is coming from, his tone and attitude in his posts today scream town however his push towards VitamiR someone unlikely to be lynched or considered to be lynched today reads as slightly odd. I have a gut town read on VitamiR which reading back I cannot work out what it was caused by but his tone in his argument with Ban reads as town on town.
I honestly haven't seen much of Nautiulus during my read through so I'll make time tommorow to read through their posts however at the moment they're hovering between weak town, null and weak scum. Tarhalindurs invicitus vote on Gamma and refusal to elaborate into why he believes that Quilfords slot is scum despite overwhelming evidence of Quilford being town shoots up red flags everywhere and I'll make sure to allocate time to read into him as well.
Tldr:
Town:
Fate, Gamma, Ban, Benmage, VitamR, MoI
Null:
DGB, Nautiullus, Zach
Scum:
Tarh, The Illu, Gut.
This post is a scumclaim.
Let's break it down, folks.
Duplicity wrote:Fate and Gamma are still town as fuck, I don't understand their paranoia of each other at all though it's probably due to some previous incident. That said both of them need to keep the bickering out of this fucking thread, the "You're annoying me so I want to replace out!" was a bitch to read through, it really was and it's just letting mafia have a place to hide.
So, reading a fight as town-on-town isn't a scumtell. Putting Gamma instead of MoI (the person who actually did request replacement), however...
Also, that reminds me: DGB, Fate/MoI is reminding me strongly of you/TSQ in Medieval. Your thoughts on the subject, please?
Duplicity wrote:Getting strong town vibes from
Post #674 by Benmage however it's lacking mention of which votes he believes are opportunistic or bussing scum and which are misdirected town which is something I want him to go into in his next few posts.
Town vibes with caveats? Yeah no. That's scumbuddy interaction, right there. CLASSIC scumbuddy interaction. Why ask for the kind of clarification that is indicative of suspicion on a player he claims to get strong town vibes from? Because he's trying to make a buddy look good while simultaneously distancing himself. In other words, he's keeping his options open.
I've SEEN this before. Random Mafia 3. Nailed two scumbags for it there, and I'm pretty sure I've done the same here.
Benmage wrote:I'm starting to see where Shifts town-read on Ban is coming from, his tone and attitude in his posts today scream town however his push towards VitamiR someone unlikely to be lynched or considered to be lynched today reads as slightly odd.
See the wishy-washy here? Once again, it's town read plus caveats.
Also note the attempt to portray a VitR lynch as impossible.
Note to self: MoI might be town after all.
Benmage wrote:Tarhalindurs invicitus vote on Gamma and refusal to elaborate into why he believes that Quilfords slot is scum despite overwhelming evidence of Quilford being town shoots up red flags everywhere and I'll make sure to allocate time to read into him as well.
Really now? "Overwhelming evidence"? All I've seen is a belief that Quilford/Gamma can't be scum because Kublai Khan was threatening him with Invictus (which I find unpersuasive, since there are several roles scum could have (bulletproof, doctor, possibly Tarhalindur over Mafia) that could have given scum enough confidence to go after KK. In fact, I find that argument the OPPOSITE of persuasive, since KK (a strong player) suspecting Quilford would explain why scum went for Quilford over, say, DGB or Fate N1.
The rest of this supposed "overwhelming evidence of Quilford being town" is a bunch of players just saying that Quilford's slot is town with no other reason provided - and I don't think it's a coincidence that I'm pretty sure at least half of them are scum. I'm of the strong belief that the "Quilford must be town" meme was manufactured by scum - and specifically YOU - D2 and has been bought hook, line, and sinker by an unsuspecting town.
There ARE, however, two good reasons to think that Quilford's slot is scum. The first is that Quilford asked for a mass Invictus claim in such a godawful manner D2. The second is that I noticed it, called him scum based off it, then backed off over a reasonable-looking explanation... then I noticed it when rereading and remembered that I do that to a player EVERY DAMN GAME and that player ALWAYS flips scum. ALWAYS.
There's also another good point against YOU here - that "shoots up red flags everywhere"? CLASSIC scum rhetorical trick.
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Gammagooey wrote:whaaaat Tar if I'm really secretly YOU then I should obviously be lynched instead of waiting around and letting me have any more night actions. Don't go saying craazy stuff like that if you're not gonna have the balls to follow through on it.
If it wasn't for that nice juicy MoI wagon I'd be voting you right now. As it is, I'm using that Invictus vote as a HoS.
Though really, right now as long as one of {Gamma, Benmage, Duplicity, MoI} is lynched today I don't particularly care which one. You're all scum.
Also, you know what? I'm going to turn this around on you. You're one of several players who has been yamming for a while about me looking scummy but not doing anything.
I'm calling your bluff. Put up or shut up. And by put up I mean vote, since you absolutely should not be Invictusing me.
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Benmage wrote:Tarhalindur wrote:
At emphasized: Oh really now?
- Benmage was really, really scum even before he made that post I quoted above.
-U dont see it?
-Do explain.
- No, I think that the reason that you know the scum is because you were told their names in your role PM.
- I was rereading the thread and noticed you standing off to the side for basically the entire thread. That's a really good place to find scum these days. Not to mention that you're one of the lead proponents of the "KK was going to Invictus Quilford so Quilford's slot must be town", which is still BS and scum-driven logic.
Benmage wrote:Tarhalindur wrote:
- BabySpice dying removes a LOT of my objections to using Invictus as second lynch. I'll support today.
I thought your objections were mod related.....
I also expected a strong player to die tonight from Invictus instead of Baby Spice. This did not happen. That removes a lot of my objections - if scum have a punisher, they aren't using it yet. The remaining reasons ARE the mod-related ones.
Gammagooey wrote:Hmm.
Hey Tar I'm assuming you voting for an invictus-double-lynch means you think that there isn't any invictus manipulation correct?
No, it means that scum aren't using their invictus manipulation right now. Nice attempt to lock in "nothing can go wrong with Invictus double-lynch" there.
Fate wrote:There is a considerable lack of a read on me in Tar's latest post
I thought my "would die for Fate, he's obviously town" read was fairly obvious.
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Benmage wrote:I'm interested in seeing how tar is going to pull his pants back up, but alas that'll wait for tomorrow.
See, if your team is smart I won't even be alive tomorrow. You're not getting a mislynch on me.
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The current Gut wagon is bad and you should feel bad. Except a bunch of players don't, because they're scum and counterwagoning MoI.
Seriously. Gamma, MoI, Benmage, Duplicity. That's your scumteam.