Double-Dip Mafia, Game Over

[Quilford]

DGB!!!!!!!!1

Thought Pom was scummy and then you came in and fucked up my read. I

really

need to meta you sometime.

Anyway my three top scums are (if I remember correctly) WLC, Ranmaru and Pom/DGB. Accordingly,

UNVOTE: UNVOTE:
VOTE: WeyounsLastClone VOTE: Ranmaru

I'll publish my notes on why asap.

[Quilford]

I don't give a shit. He's scum.

Why the subtle defense?

[Quilford]

Town

Ellibereth
Amrun, imaginality
Crazy

Null

iamausername
Empking

Scum

kunkstar7
DGB
WLC, Ranmaru


PEdit: There totally was. Why would you bring up the fact that he's on vacation?

[Quilford]

Towniest to scummiest in each category, btw.

[Quilford]

Why 'yay'?

[Quilford]

Why is that a bad thing? You're voting for him, you can take him off L-1...

[Quilford]

My voting brings all the girls to the yard
Damn right, it's better than yours
I would teach you, but I'd have to charge?

[Quilford]

Why is that a bad thing?

You're voting for him, you can take him off L-1...

No becvause the game will still stall because people know I'll just go right back on WLC.

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOORING.

I've bolded the question which you clumsily dodged so your little fishy eyes can see it.

[Quilford]

Town

Ellibereth
Amrun, imaginality
Crazy

Null

iamausername
smalls
Empking
RedCoyote

Scum

kunkstar7
DGB
WLC, Ranmaru

smalls? RedCoyote?

Your reads are awesome and clearly correct.

FTFY

[Quilford]

Spoiler: #0 / #58

Vote: Amrun.

Mobile posting I don't really see as excuse of editing yourself in the first post. Also, slipping in as a fourth vote on Crazy.

Vote: [Low Key]

cuz I don't like bracket or what they're called

Implies Amrun's mobile posting and editing is a legitimate scumtell through the use of "excuse"; he also finds her fourth vote on Crazy scummy: "slipping in", as if putting someone at L-4 is a good reason to vote them.

Spoiler: #1 / #87; #5 / #289

Unvote: Pom, Vote:Weyouns

Is this a random vote, an OMGUS-vote, a scum-vote, or do you have an actual reason?

and

Pom, explain your WLC vote.

Pot, kettle.

Focusing on the vote on him rather than actively contributing.

Spoiler: #2 / #98

Unvote: [Low Key]. Vote: kunkstar.

For posting without voting.

Continues to make posts containing absolutely no content when there was much to discuss; votes kunkstar7 for a terrible reason. These contentless posts containing nothing whatsoever continue until #291 (ISO #7) in which the only thing he does is say he has a slight towntell on Hiraki.

Spoiler: #8 / #368

@Wey: Could you please clarify your case on Amrun because I'm not seeing it?

My first votes were based on only few pages of evidence, but I found someone p-editing their first vote quite strange, even with the 'mobile posting' explanation. Then she votes Crazy and Pomegranate without reasons. Presumably to create wagons, which I find dangerous when it's only 8 to lynch and everyone has two votes. Sure they were only at L-4 at that point, but we were only on second page.
Then, when I voted her based on above reasons (at least the editing post and joining Crazy's wagon), she directly responded with what I consider an OMGUS-vote. When I ask what kind of vote it was, she responded saying I was scum. Period. No reason. Just like all of her votes, except maybe her Hiraki-vote. The real fun part comes where she asks Pom for the reason voting me, while Amrun hasn't given any yet. Except for that I'm scum because I'm scum.

This is just a terrible, terrible case. Particularly the first paragraph.

Spoiler: #10 / #619

Requoting this because I want a scumlynch today.

Quoting yourself for something you posted late into day 1 really helps... It would've helped if you explained that directly when you voted me. I suppose the way you responded to my vote on you may have felt the same your vote did to me. I'm really not sure why you are still convinced I'm scum.

We have a confirmed town who read me as town.

I know that doesn't say anything, but not sure why you have such a different read than LK (but it's the same with my view of you I suppose). This duality makes me uncertain if you're the right one to pursue today.

Anyway, not sure where smalls is going. He uses LK's suspicions, but those were partly based on who was not voting Hiraki, so I don't think that list is the best to go about.

Vote:smalls

The bolded and the rest of the first paragraph are particularly bad, but his vote on smalls has terrible terrible reasoning behind it and deals with something that isn't even particularly scummy. I bet, when WLC flips scum, that LK's list has at least one buddy on it.



tl;dr: WLC offers no content nor any scumhunting (the latter for the entire game, the former until we're 697 posts in), his votes are generally terrible as is his activity in this game overall.

[Quilford]

oh.

did Kunkstar hammer with absolutely no reasoning or comment again?

[Quilford]

I'm beginning to think he's post restricted, lol.

[Quilford]

Well here're my notes on DGB and Ran; I haven't edited them yet because I want them in before thread lock:

DrippingGoofball (rep. Pomegranate)
* #266 Possibly bussing WLC, bad reasons for jumping on when there were already adequate ones.

* #534 blehhh Hiraki ‘translates’ her post below which is absolutely accurate

* #658 replacing in the midst of a wagon on her? I think not.


Ranmaru
* #145 Comments on Ameliaslay’s reasonless vote and then votes her… better places to put a vote; dumb reason in the first place.

* #249 Buzzword ‘back tracking’.

* #251 Terrible post, pushing way too hard with personal attacks ‘selfish’, hyperbole ‘stifle her scumhunting’.

* Not the Ranmaru I know.

* #319 Asking a handful of players to give reads seems like avoiding proper scumhunting (although this note applies specifically towards #319 I'm fairly sure that this is the bulk of the questions Ranmaru has been asking all game); I’m pretty sure I’ve used or thought about using this tactic as scum before.

* Pre-D1 hammer: goes from encouraging the hammer (around LK) to asking him why he doesn’t want to tie up his loose ends.


assssssssss you can see, I kind of dropped off during D2 as I got a bit tired of reading through everything. I'll try to talk about my suspects' actions on D2 tomorrow.

[Quilford]

OH NO QUILFORD. FUCK YOU. YOU PUT HIM AT L-1, SO DON'T BITCH ABOUT THAT. YOU SAID YOU DIDN'T CARE, NOW YOU ASK ABOUT KUNKSTAR HAMMERING?

lol ran

I wanted WLC lynched. I'm just annoyed that kunkstar hammered like that again; it's like a bad omen.

I also want you and DGB lynched mhm

[Quilford]

You could investigate me instead of vig'ing me you know. Being vig'ed is humiliating. Especially with my history of being Nk'd by the scum. Though Ranmaru's pants-on-head is an unfortunate insurance policy against that happening.

Oh, so you're a godfather? Good to know.

[Quilford]

I also want you and DGB lynched mhm

We're both town. May I interest you in some of the other fine players in the game, who may be deserving or your vote?

who and why

[Quilford]

I think you need to upgrade your scumputer, DGB.

[Quilford]

Weyouns the only useful thing you did all game was make that wallpost.

[Quilford]

VOTE: Ranmaru
VOTE: DGB
The latter is beyond scummy.

[Quilford]

Fuck. NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO MY BUDDEEEEE

Is this a claim to be his mason buddy, as I heavily suspect you at the moment and yeah.

VOTE: DGB
VOTE: Ranmaru

One of the two is definitely scum.

[Quilford]

In that case:

UNVOTE: Ranmaru
VOTE: HackerHuck

Scum:
DGB
HackerHuck

Null:
smalls
Empking
Crazy

Town:
imaginality
Amrun
Ranmaru

from scummiest to towniest in each column

PEdit: your tone is totally different to Open 305, Ran

kunkstar flip was utterly predictable; I meant to put my vote on him yesterday but instead put it on you (make of that what you will, Amrun )

can you sum up your thoughts on Crazy?

[Quilford]

DGB, link me to a game where you have raged at the town like this when you were town.

Crazy's case is stupid and I don't have the patience to explain why.

UNVOTE:
UNVOTE:

[Quilford]

DGB, link me to a game where you have raged at the town like this when you were town.

You want me to WIFOM you now? You can just say that because I did it as town before, now I'm faking it as scum.

LYNCH ME

DAMMMMIT

Fuck you. You're trapped scum and if you're not, you need to be stripped of your 'Best Town Performance' badge.

One chance. Provide the meta.

[Quilford]

DGB: Why not self-hammer?

WHAT IN THE FUCK IS THIS

SHITTY

POST

[Quilford]

VOTE: Crazy
VOTE: Empking

[Quilford]

Hush. Wait and see.

[Quilford]

UNVOTE: Crazy
I reeeeally wanna lynch Empking.

[Quilford]

so don't think smalls is mafia guys

Empking / DGB are the better lynches for now

[Quilford]

@Quilford - Why don't you think Smalls is scum? He wasn't exactly on the top of my list before, but crap like this makes me nervous:

I don't see Quilford being that scumlike...

so don't think smalls is mafia guys

he reminds me of a guy called brundibar in my newbie here
http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=16915

fuck my tone it varies in basically every game I'm in

I explained why I missed the kunkstar wagon and the rest of your post is just shitty stuff brought up against my predecessor

your repetition of

Yeah that's not a town explanation

Yeah, that doesn't look like town rhetoric to me.

That's not town.

That tone isn't a town tone.

That's NOT Quiltown.

is a kind of written tic I notice myself writing in posts as mafia and I'm pretty sure I've seen it performed by other players too

plus your slot's history is friggin terrible and the replacing out reeks of scum

VOTE: Tarharlindur

[Quilford]

can we please kill Empking I really see no way that he is town

[Quilford]

Can you explain your previous problems with Tar's slot, and why RC and/or HH getting replaced is scummy?

The former coming soon hopefully. The latter:

vote: Crazy
vote: Ranmaru

Amrun is my alternate.

I like DGB's to do list - I think I'll get to that once I'm more up to speed.

this was the only post HackerHuck made and he wasn't replaced because he flaked. we don't even know why he flaked - he must've pmed the mod; I think it was him being unmotivated scum

[Quilford]

smalls is lurking, BTW.

I will place my second vote on Tar (that's right!), imaginality, or smalls. Haven't decided yet.

smalls has been replaced in another game.

[Quilford]

my activity levels are low here because I AM BEING ATTACKED BY SCUM AND NOBODY IS LISTENING plus you know uncertain about my reads because everyone is suddenly swinging back and forth and I can't decide on the alignments of Crazy Empking smalls and

and everyone really

I'm just a VT. Empking needs to die.

[Quilford]

I've played with Quil-town before and he was much more passionate and aggressive than he is here, even if his logic was slightly off on occasion.

That was my second game ever and I was as dumb as rocks.

[Quilford]

amrun my town read on you just plummeted like my brain in Open 292

[Quilford]

Idk what open 292 is.

The game Crazy and I played in.

I'm having a hard time with reads in this game. My gut's disagreeing with logic.

Join the club.

[Quilford]

UNVOTE: Tarharlindur

imaginality's case is actually fairly convincing, but I'm not confident enough to place a vote anywhere yet (apart from Empking)

[Quilford]

UNVOTE: Tarharlindur

imaginality's case is actually fairly convincing, but I'm not confident enough to place a vote anywhere yet (apart from Empking)

Why are you unvoting Tar?

He's using RL excuses, and voting the most embattled townie on the game board.

His reason?

Because I asked players to make cases.

more confident in Empking, want his lynch far more than Tar's

[Quilford]

I think Imaginality and DGB are town on town.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: smalls
VOTE: Empking

[Quilford]

Hey Quil.

You never did explain how my tone was different here than Chkflip's game.

TELL ME NOW. OR I VOTE U.

You sounded much more sure of yourself earlier this game.

[Quilford]

AAAAAAAAAARGH

I get the feeling that DGB, imag and emp are all town and that the scum is Amrun and someone else

fuck my fucking gut

[Quilford]

nooooo

Amrun thought WLC was scummy when nobody else did and I did too

and there has to be at least one scum on DGB's wagon otherwise she'd have been hammered many times over

[Quilford]

DGB, what was your claim again?

[Quilford]

You know what?

I can't look past Pom's unfulfilled promises and subsequent replacement. I can't look past her odd jump onto the WLC wagon. I can't look past DGB's constant, relentless AtEing and the fact that she has no meta for it. I can't look past her suggestions that she should be NK'd, not lynched. I can't look past her claiming vanilla multiple times when there is no 'vanilla' in the Townie role PM. I can't look past her constantly suggesting that she is wrong about at least one of her scum reads. I can't look past the fact that she is linked with so many other players. I can't look back that she uses completely objective analysis in the form of the Scumputer.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: DGB

I hope we have scum.

[Quilford]

It was a shit hammer on obvtown for very little reasoning.

untrue

[Quilford]

Hey Quilford. What do you think of Amrun?

Started off as town because I completely agreed with her re: WLC, but slowly downgraded as time went on.

I mean, if the fact that DGB claimed "vanilla"

really

bothered him so much, why did he have to ask DGB what her claim was in his post right before?

I was wondering whether she would post 'Townie' or 'Vanilla Townie' again. I lost patience, though.

And, of course, expecting someone to remember whether their role PM said "Townie" or "Vanilla Townie" weeks later is ridiculous in itself.

Pretty sure smalls claimed 'Townie', not 'Vanilla Townie'.

it's ridiculous that he had

that

many reasons to lynch DGB when just a couple posts ago he called her town.

I ISO'd her.

Plus, a lot of the reasons he gives are silly ones that he never even mentioned before.

> says "a lot of the reasons"
> mentions one

I would lynch Quilford anyway.

You are setting us up for a DGB scum-flip. This is understandable considering you're her buddy.

And it all makes sense.

[Quilford]

Amrun's still town, though.

I'd regard her as near-confirmed town if DGB flips scum.

[Quilford]

It was a shit hammer on obvtown for very little reasoning.

Tar, what reason do you have to think that?

Scumbuddies don't say this. Ever.

[Quilford]

I'm going to reread.

[Quilford]

Your point?

[Quilford]

Confirmed alignments in bold.

8

Hiraki

(

Pomegranate

,

iamausername

, smallpeoples343,

[Low Key]

, Amrun,

Ameliaslay

, RedCoyote,

kunkstar7

)

7

WeyounsLastClone

(Amrun, Empking,

iamausername

, Crazy, smallpeoples343,

Quilford

,

kunkstar7

)

6

kunkstar7

(Amrun,

Ranmaru

, imaginality,

iamausername

, Empking,

DrippingGoofball

)

5

DrippingGoofball

(imaginality, Empking, smallpeoples343, Tarhalindur,

Quilford

)


Assuming smalls is scum:

8

Hiraki

(

Pomegranate

,

iamausername

,

smallpeoples343

,

[Low Key]

, Amrun,

Ameliaslay

, RedCoyote,

kunkstar7

)
smalls voted for Hiraki in

ISO #2

.

7

WeyounsLastClone

(Amrun, Empking,

iamausername

, Crazy,

smallpeoples343

,

Quilford

,

kunkstar7

)
smalls voted for WLC in ISO #41.

6

kunkstar7

(Amrun,

Ranmaru

, imaginality,

iamausername

, Empking,

DrippingGoofball

)
smalls didn't vote for kunkstar, despite saying he found kunk scummy in the same post he voted WLC (ISO #41)

5

DrippingGoofball

(imaginality, Empking,

smallpeoples343

, Tarhalindur,

Quilford

)
And in his very last post, smalls votes DGB.


I hope you've been taking a look at those votes. They're

unbelievably shitty

, with little to no reasoning. I think we gave him a free pass at the time because he was being all newbie and cute.

VOTE: Scott Brosius

The remaining scum was bussing kunk - ie one of Amrun, imaginality and Empking.

Please please please lynch Scott (smalls' replacement).

[Quilford]

In order of suspicion
Empking > imaginality > Amrun

and it's because I'm infinitely more confident in Smalls-scum

[Quilford]

UNVOTE:

[Quilford]

Bury it in posts...?

[Quilford]

Quilford, what are the three best reasons for considering Empking scum? I'm not really seeing it...

1. His position on the wagons
2. Terrible distancing accusations early D1
3. His overconfidence in DGB scum

[Quilford]

Just Amrun, Crazy and Scott Brosius still to claim, then. The rest of us have all claimed

vanilla town

.

Scott Brosius should claim next.

I would be pretty surprised if there weren't some considerable power roles in those three.

[Quilford]

Just Amrun, Crazy and Scott Brosius still to claim, then. The rest of us have all claimed

vanilla town

.

Scott Brosius should claim next.

I would be pretty surprised if there weren't some considerable power roles in those three.

[Quilford]

Whoops, double post.

[Quilford]

The scum team not being you [DGB] and Quilford does create a very difficult question. I guess Crazy and Small.

Empking is 500% scum with this, considering who he voted at the start of the day.

[Quilford]

The scumteam is not DGB and I, doofus.

[Quilford]

Empking, it seems you are not understanding this.

You said

yourself

that is the scumteam wasn't DGB and I it would be Crazy and Smalls.

DGB is confirmed town. We can't be the scumteam. And yet you are not voting either Crazy or Smalls? Why? Your buddy is one of those two (smalls).


Re: 1578: it's the tone of your posts I'm referring to. I'll find some quotes?

[Quilford]

It's not semantics at all and you are clearly bullshitting.

[Quilford]

The scum team not being you [DGB] and Quilford

does create a very difficult question. I guess Crazy and Small.

There is no ambiguity here

whatsoever

.

Whatsoever

.

[Quilford]

What question?

What does semantics have to do with anything?

[Quilford]

How?

If Quilford and I are town, who is scum?

This was the question.


It doesn't matter that this is the context because your answer is clearly worded to say 'isn't you

AND

Quilford'.

[Quilford]

Everyone but Amrun and Crazy have claimed VT.

[Quilford]

O_____O

[Quilford]

EBWOP: o__________O

[Quilford]

I've never played in a pj game before?

[Quilford]

SWeriously, may I ask why I'm not allowed to change my mind based on new evidence?

DGB was trying to get lynched (she's just mass-replaced). That means her analysis (which was where I was basing my Crazy read) is useless because it was designed to get her lynched.

Are you kidding me.

I'm 99.99% sure that DGB mass replaced BECAUSE I lynched her. You're BSing to explain how you are horrifically inconsistent with your reads.

VOTE: Empking

[Quilford]

As for Quilford's VCA, it's pretty laughable given that every single wagon my slot has been on.....SO HAS HIS SLOT. Again I wasn't in the game so I have no idea what the reasoning is. But I can easily take those 4 lynches, put your name in red and same the exact same thing. You weren't on the mafia lynch. You were on every other lynch.

No, you can't. Your slot's positioning and reasoning for being on the wagon is imperative to my scum read.

Also

The remaining scum was bussing kunk - ie one of Amrun, imaginality and Empking.

How are you so confident there are only 2 scum left? Why couldn't this be LYLO with 3 scum left? Seems like a slip.

looooooool


VOTE: Scott Brosius
The rest of his analysis is also terribly stupid

[Quilford]

There was not a graveyard QT.

Thanks, pj!

[Quilford]

I assume the main reason a wagon formed on me is because I attacked Ranmaru's crappy case on Kunkstar, and now Ranmaru is confirmed town. I'm not really sure what I can say about that, except that I think it was pretty obvious that I was more about lynching Ranmaru rather than defending Kunkstar. But meh, if you guys have any questions for me, I'll be glad to answer them.

Looking for likely Kunkstar partners:

Crazy: (post 377) Your analysis of kunkstar seemed a little stating the obvious... "shape up- ship out"... why bother? Content fluff?
Kunkstar: (post 381) Good catch (I think) on Pom not really saying anything other than "scummy" to move her vote from rvs to real. I'd like to hear more about this from Pom.

This is Amelia's only mention of Kunkstar. The first line (incorrectly directed towards me) feels like a subtle defense - if only because scum tend to be in-tune with what other people are saying about their buddies.

Her replacement, Quilford, seems VERY bad in regard to Kunkstar's flip.

In Post #754, he puts Kunkstar in his "scum" list, but he never voted for him the rest of the game.

did Kunkstar hammer with absolutely no reasoning or comment again?

I'm beginning to think he's post restricted, lol.

This is bad because it reads like Quilford is trying to give Kunkstar an out. Also, this hardly seems like a reaction from someone who had Kunkstar as one of his main suspects. If Quilford was

already

suspicious of Kunkstar, then wouldn't the second quickhammer make him

raise

his suspicions (like Ranmaru's reaction), rather than make him think Kunkstar had a post restriction?

Today:

kunkstar flip was utterly predictable; I meant to put my vote on him yesterday but instead put it on you (make of that what you will, Amrun ;))

Here he's trying to act like Kunkstar was obvscum, even though there's

nothing

in his previous posts that suggested that he thought that. Check his ISO; his main suspects were DGB and Ranmaru, and now he's acting like he

knew

Kunkstar would flip scum? Come on...

I can't in good faith vote Quilford yet, since I haven't looked at everybody, but he's definitely scummy. I just don't know yet if there are people that look even worse off than Quilford.

This was such a terrible case though.

I should've hammered you for it at the time.

[Quilford]

What are you on about?

[Quilford]

Good god Crazy I wanted you to be town so badly after the braindead pile of mush that was Open 292.