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I was going to post 3 hours ago but MS died on me before I could. Anyways, I just saved the post I had typed up.
[quote="AGM]If you are being targeted with a nuclear missile, you may post I do not wish to die a painful radioactive death in the thread.[/quote]Was this in Defcon 2? If so, did anyone use it? It seems like the wimp's way out.
Someone fill me in on what the scum draft lists looked like in Defcon 2. Some of the lower half of the ability list were added on since Defcon 1 so I don't know how they affect what scum wanted. Also, good idea to try to steal abilities from them? Y/N?
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Goddammit.
Was this in Defcon 2? If so, did anyone use it? It seems like the wimp's way out.AGM wrote:If you are being targeted with a nuclear missile, you may post I do not wish to die a painful radioactive death in the thread.First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.-
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Me wrote:Someone fill me in on what the scum draft lists looked like in Defcon 2. Some of the lower half of the ability list were added on since Defcon 1 so I don't know how they affect what scum wanted. Also, good idea to try to steal abilities from them? Y/N?First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.-
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You guys can keep up your shenanigans about what to keep out of scum hands. I've already figured out what I want so I'm just waiting on Defcon 4. I know this has been stated but, to put it clearly, you have an option as Submarine to nuke publically or privately from what I understand.
I want to propose an idea. Say you go for Fail Safe because it's a fun role and everyone wants a fun role. Should you claim it as soon as Defcon 1 lands down?
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Pros:
Your death will be avenged.
If targeted by mafia who is protected somehow by his teammate, you are allowed to reveal his name and set up a lynch.
Awesome nukes at anyone who defies your power.
Cons:
You can hit a town player if he nukes you.
Can't avenge yourself from a Terrorist kill. (I'm assuming the Terrorist doesn't use a nuke)
You will probably be lynched once claimed unless you're :goodposting: continually.
Counterintelligence isn't all that you're make it out to be. Scum will have to be psychic to be able to use it correctly. It's not going to be super-high on their lists either from what AV showed me of their roles in Defcon 2 and from what I know of my mindset in Defcon 1.First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.-
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Katsuki wrote:Hinduragi wrote:Counterintelligence isn't all that you're make it out to be. Scum will have to be psychic to be able to use it correctly. It's not going to be super-high on their lists either from what AV showed me of their roles in Defcon 2 and from what I know of my mindset in Defcon 1.
You realize that scum can't communicate normally in QTs at all for fear of Eavesdrop, right?
Eavesdrop we definately want town to have, then counterintelligence.
Counterintelligence is only good in that sense if the eavesdropper has to claim.
Re-read to see why you said that and saw someone MoI quoted about the unsecured QT. Yeah, CI is useful.First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.-
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Regfan wrote:Also, for those who have mentioned that Eavesedropper was pivitol in the previous editions of this game would you recommend aiming for it in this one?
Only if you're willing to put a lot of thought and time into the results.
Also, I fucked up again. I assumed you would know who killed you with the Stealth Bomber when using Fail Safe. I feel all kinds of blind right now.First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.-
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Faraday wrote:i trust myself completely to read anyone accurately.
Don't let scum buddy you early like I did and influence that read. >_>
SDC, OK.
I've played with scum AV and town AV before and haven't seen anything that backed either read.
HEZZZZZWAVRE wrote:Anyhow I'm going to be very disappointed when town loses this game because they won't listen to me about SpyreX.
Lolwut? I am seeing town Spyrex.
I also found some Europeans.
Dana
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The other 2? YOUR NAME COULD BE HERE.
Dana wrote:I obviously read what was in the angle brackets. Now could you answer my question about what makes me scum about my response? Because you say you want me dead for it. I do not see how the post "waffles" nor how "saying nothing but I'm willing to policy lynch hez" makes me scummy. I'm really confused as to why you are trying to make this difficult for me. Do you just really want me to be scum?
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You think Dana/Hez are a team?
Dana wrote:I can't be 100% sure already of what hez's alignment is, but I'm sure that with that playstyle, hez is not going to be catching scum during the day, but rather throwing everyone else off. I'm not even saying I'm going to lynch hez right away, although I might.
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Vi wrote:Weak question, sinister question (repeated until #3), dissatisfying conclusion long after the Total War decision was made.
I was curious, I wanted to know if the majority of people thought we should go with what we want or organize our lists to steal abilities, and it was my first post since the site went down before I could post it. Last time I checked we were asked to vote on Total War. There are posts WAY after mine doing it.
Vi wrote:First paragraph reads from scum. The commentary on Fail Safe is sketchy in itself, never mind that it was founded on ill premises; it and the Counterintelligence commentary in #5 and #6 suggests that Hinduragi was trying for both of them. It looks like he's trying to find what he can pick safely.
I thought Fail Safe would let me kill someone who sent in the Stealth Bomb kill. I had forgotten it was a shared ability. I sent in a list and changed it later once I realized it didn't let me vengekill NK's. And...no. I was saying CI couldn't do anything unless someone got really lucky. I didn't read the last sentence of the role. I'm not interested in picking an ability as useless as CI. Sure, if town got it, it would do the Eavesdropper a favor and would help us get a day message, but that's about it.First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.-
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Time to really get into this game.
After looking at Hez again: 1.) LOL 2.) I can't see this guy being mafia. Too chaotic and contradictory. Good mislynch target or avoid-bandwagon target for scum, though.
AV's hard to read for me because I can't use his language and words to read him. He picks it all too carefully. That said, I've extensively read/skimmed AV's posts in Defcon II after reading through Percy's ISO/analysis of his Eavesdrop results since someone in here said Eavesdrop-Percy was awesome. Looking at AV in Defcon III now. Ok, so here's what I got from Defcon II AV. He's focused on "Oh, please don't nuke me" A LOT. He also was more aggressive and caps'ing than I've seen him be. Actually, I've never seen him do that, town or scum. Anyways, I think AV-scum would never caps like that again so, if he's scum here, I don't think he'd caps. Aggressive, maybe, but I don't see that either. He also isn't like "Oh, shit, I'm gonna die" or showing his mad at being caught behavior here. He's also trying to get his scumreads lynched here. There, he was like "Oh Faraday u scum; I LYNCH U" and was generally EVERYWHERE with all his reads all the while being "trololol, when I flip, you will be sorry". His 618 really does fail, though, on part of this. Still, it's a lot less aggressive and more regretful he's dying instead of mad. I had to look up quite a bit of town games to see ones where he actually got pressured. TxtMafia was the one I eventually got to. He had the same regret. Overall, he reads slight town.
Dana's still scum and needs a nice bandwagon. There's nothing townish about any of his posts and, though people agree with Dana-scum, no votes. America, I'm disappoint.
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ooba wrote:You comment on Dana\Hez. Commenting on AV ic cool - but you leave out one of your top three scum reads and comment on somebody like Ludi\SpyreX?
ITT not mentioning all your scumreads in a post means you're scum. Spyrex was on the wagon I called a mislynch/avoid-bandwagon target. Ludi looks bad and needed more attention.
IS, I called your slot scum after you replaced in. I didn't forget about you, you just weren't worth mentioning. All you've said so far is "Vi is scum for being a white knight and misreading Zhero, who I replaced" and "Some of the people putting out read lists are scum". So, you're right. I really don't have much to go on.
1.) Scum can be on a mislynch and avoid the main bandwagon by hopping onto that type of wagon. People pay more attention to a wagon if you bring it up in that context. Inhim's right about the nuke thing when it comes to Hez, though.
2.) I never said anything about all of his posts not containing anything close to town-related content. I said that for you. I said he was chaotic and contradictory. Specifically his "I'll nuke Spyrex, no wait I won't. I'll continue threatening nuking people if it gives you town reads" and his 562.
RC: I'm pretty sure SDC is town. AV a little too, but not as much as SDC.
You know what pisses me off? I posted a pretty damning piece on the entire AV wagon and it gets ignored.First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.-
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Oh, right. I took Magua's first post at Fate to mean he had Airbase. If he can't die by NK and he picked it "to piss Fate off", then it's the perfect scumclaim. That's why he gets nuked at Defcon 1. I don't trust him with it.
RC wrote:Your entire defense of AV seems completely derived from meta with the exception of your opening statement where you admit that he is "picking his words too carefully".
He does that as town and scum because he's an English major. That's why I said he's hard to read because of it.
RC wrote:And why would I advocate a wagon on a person I thought was town anyways?
Where did this question come from?
Goddammit
Unvote; Vote: RC
The entire exchange was bad. I don't get the unvoting of someone you thought was scum even if it is to prop up a wagon. I would've eventually gotten that job done. There's too much sidetracked reasoning for me to buy this.First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.-
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ooba wrote:
Not really. I've noticed townies always display a huge amount of confirmation bias. They always have some scum in mind and keep looking at what those people do to see if they can anything scummy. (or reevaluate).ITT not mentioning all your scumreads in a post means you're scum.
Also - Ludi had these two posts from your earlier one (#652,#657) so he's given you even lesser than IS. I would have at least understood Ludi was on the Hez wagon you're looking at but no .. So there's no way you're commenting on this candidate instead of IS …
That's an opinion. If you can back it up with townies always doing that in a large theme, be my guest.
Those two posts are why I decided to look into him. I ISO'd him after the pitter patter thing because it didn't fit right with me. It was like fluff to make his post look better. Look at ISO 18 and then those two posts.
Equinox wrote:Faraday's thinking on this was that early setup speculation from Mina was a weak town tell; furthermore, he doubted that Mina-scum would want to face the scrutiny ofhaving to come up with a pro-town-looking plan and then following through with it.
...Since town hasn't been able to follow through with it, wouldn't scum be more likely to try it and pretend they followed through with it and failed?
Luigi wrote:This is bad reasoning. If you think someone is playing in a scummy manner (as Socio is in fact doing)
I wrote:Socio will play to the SK wincon guaranteed even if he's town.
Vi wrote:Except for the part about how SDC isn't Town at all.
I've tried to get this. I read the Russian QT and everything to see Fate's choices and what he was thinking. I can see what you mean about the Air Base gambit being null but what I don't see is SDC-scum.First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.-
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Magua wrote:Point me at this, because I don't see it. I see you saying that AV isn't playing like AV-scum did in DEFCON 2, and that you have a town read. But I see nothing about the wagon or the people voting AV.
I don't see any well-reasoned case where AV's scum besides pre-game comments that were labeled scummy. You could've labeled my CI and Fail Safe comments scummy pre-game but that doesn't change the fact I'm American. Also, I would think behavioral-meta outweighs an actual meta-case in regards to reasoning in cases. Moreover, I think maybe one person on the AV wagon even commented about it. Noone on the AV wagon tried to disprove it or anything. Usually, if someone's called town, then you'd think people calling him scum would argue the point.
LLD wrote:Did everyone just ignore what I had to say about Gorilla?
I read it. I thought you were scum for it, too. But then, I asked myself a question. Are scum going to be this obvious and easy to jump onto? Are they REALLY going to have the guts to even try and fake-analyze their own NK? I didn't see it. Even if they proposed it in the QT as a gambit, I don't see scummates agreeing to it. Ever. Anyways, NK speculation on framing or just done for lulz of wifom is something to leave for our wild imaginations. I don't think I could ever base a D2 vote off of the gorilla case.
Toast wrote:I saw it. I agree. Other people are scummier.
If you agree, you think Gorilla's definite scum. If you can explain why you think others are scummier and why you suspect them, that would help.
LLD wrote:I don't normally use tells in mafia, but this is one I have found to be fairly solid
Links?
Equinox wrote:Anyone here who has experience with Regfan who can tell me if lurking is a tell for the guy?
I'm really not sure. I recently replaced into a game he was town in. I didn't live very long in it so my view might be biased. He was pretty active and consistent in his posting walls compared to this game.
Socio wrote:Especially considering my view of Spy, those that know OF me, and those that know OF my playstyle, and those that know me, and those that know my playstyle, and those that think that they really know both me and my playstyle, people should realize that I certainly wouldn't kill Spy, of all people.
Socio's right. If he killed Spyrex, I will shit bricks. He could still be scum, sure. Is he scum? I could only read him if he came under fire, really. Most likely a good idea for a nuke.
ooba wrote:AV needs to die .. It is known ..
I want to know what AV did between Defcon 3 and 2 that earned your vote.
I'm still pretty sure AV's town. I'd like to hope that I can read someone I've known better than everyone here.
I'm comfortable with a dana lynch. CSL needs to provide reasoning. I'd like to hear from that side of the hydra rather than Vi.
Looked into ML. I think he's probably town. ISO 18 was apparently the only thing that ticked with me.
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AV wrote:With RC's townflip, that just means that those players thought they could get an RC mislynch and save my demise for today. Don't let the Eurotrash get away with this!
Who are you looking at?
Hez wrote:Remember everyone tomorrow we get nukes! You can satisfy your dumb agendas then. We have scum to lynch.
Why'd you change your playstyle mid-game?
I don't really get how this one adds to him being scum.Gamma wrote:and his big scumhunting post is calling out people who made scumlists and then attacking Vi for thinking his predecessor is scummy
Toast wrote:AV, I currently think you are scum because of 1)how quickly you agreed with the RedCayote wagon, 2) emotional defense (WHAT CAN I DO? ) 3)Meta check
META CHECK? Let's see examples. You should probably ISO me and look for my meta check.
Ludi wrote:More obviously. Hez needs a nuke.
Explain.
MoI wrote:And what do you think of Hiraki, Gorilla and the others explicitly calling AV Town?
I'm not Hiraki.
Regfan wrote:from brief inspection it looks like a 'he's too scummy to be scum' attempt at logic.
Re-read. That entire piece is about LLD. Gorilla's looking like caught scum just based on reactions.
I don't really see IS scum this game.
Equinox wrote:danakillsu is probably town
Elaborate.
LLD wrote:Equinox, your new avatar dissapoints me.
Oh yeah, LLD. Your "why me" tell. Where does it relate to a SK? You said you had past history with it. Where was that?
Gorilla wrote:Actually decided AVox's attitude in recent posts comes off as too self-preservationist ("I'm not useless. I should not be lynched today.")
Citations please.
Equinox wrote:I don't like the references you're making to "SCUM WOULDN'T TAKE THIS" for Espionage and Eavesdrop
That's because they're wrong. Both sides have incentive to get it I think Eavesdrop was my second choice in Defcon 1(And here as well). Townpoints + scum could control the mafia quicktopic night-leaks. An example where scum can misuse it: Day scumtell leaks are an easy "Oh, they spammed that, I got 5 of those leaks when you guys got one so it's a null tell" issue. It's a strong role in the game in the right hands.
1078 is awesome
Unvote; Vote: Gorilla
Also, what is this talk of SK? I'm just voting scummy. SK and scum can be scummy. Though an SK lynch will be awesome, are we probably going to be able to hit it or scum? There's 5 scum and 1 SK. 5:1 ratio, and that's without town factored in. And, for those of you wanting to kill an SK, tip: SK's usually are on the fence and take the general stance on things. That's my #1 SK-tell if I had to pick one. Am I going to get him based on it? Probably not. There are way too many players doing that in this game. I'm pretty sure all of them are getting nuked too so we're probably going to see the SK flip during the holocaust.First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.-
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Toogeloo wrote:Gorilla is reading as very likely frustrated noob town, didn't I already say this.
1089 maybe. The rest? Hell no. What thread are you reading frustrated noob town from? He claimed pretty early after soft claiming. It's looked like consistent pressured noob scum.
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Magua wrote:Fixed that for you. I'm now comfortable with adding Screaming Death Clan to that list, too.
Why?
Also, someone tell me why Fate wouldn't kill Kat as scum. I don't get it. Because she had a townread on him? If anything, Fate would kill her because of that.
LLD wrote:Oh hey, the code is what I thought it is.
I just can't solve it yet.
I'm 95% sure that it is a Playfair Cipher,but without the keyword... I'm going to need to manually decrypt and decipher the posts.
I was looking into this and thought it was a caesar cipher with a second encryption. But wow. I forgot scum could do ciphers manually so I was looking for something less complicated since most scum using a playfair cipher would have to use an outside source unless they were taught pre-game. That doesn't explain the words without spaces, though. Are they taking the spaces away so it's harder? Also, without the keyword? That makes no sense unless they want us to read these and decrypt them. This should be a lot harder. Anyways, if you're right, these are practically already decrypted. Except they aren't because I just tried to decrypt them and that gave me a bunch of illegible word jumbling. What about them makes them not Digraph Ciphers and PlayFair Ciphers if we're going on double-letter-with-space encryption, though?
Someone nuke Dana. Seriously. Everyone except maybe one person thinks he's scum. He has needed a nuke and I've been trying to hold off his wagon in pursuit of better ones because I was hoping someone would nuke him and other people were saying they would nuke him.
Also, IS is town.
Pedit: Oh, what the fuck. Fuck you dana, fuck you. Should I claim now? I don't know how you guys did it last game or whatever. Also, I'll catch all the scums for you before I get lit up so be on hold for that. Vi is already dying, that's good. Dana's obv pressured scum that needs to die. Hez is town but keep an eye on him. His posting change may've been a ploy but I don't think it was. MoI also needs to die but townpoints to him for nuking like he did. Depending on what I get from gorilla, I'll give you guys a read. I didn't think he'd get this many results today when I went for him yesterday. With only one result yesterday, it was extremely hard to tell what kind of encryption scum used. With the 3 or 4 drops he gave us today, it's an easy crack if enough people work on it.
Vote: MoI
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I meant Substitution and then something else. If they plan to use 2 ciphers they could trick us. If we properly decrypted it, it would look like gibberish because we were only halfway through with the decryption.LLD wrote:It's not a substitution cipher because I tried all potential substitutions.
LLD wrote:And that's because it is a PlayFair Cipher. Playfair ciphers involve using 2 letter pairings, and discounting any kind of spacing or punctuation. That's why you've gotten gibberish so far.
A digraph cipher always uses 2 letter pairings as well and discounts all punctuation and spacing.
Magua wrote:"just tried to decrypt them", as there's 25! permutations for a playfair.
Right. I assumed the default permutation, as in a regularly ordered alphabet since LLD assumed there was no keyword. I'll get on the rest.
Socio wrote:AND EVERYONE ELSE (YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE.) SHOULD KEEP THEIR FUCKING MOUTHS SHUT ON THE SUBJECT.
What do you mean, Socio?
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Magua wrote:As scum, do you make a habit of killing people with a townread on you, outside of lylo? I'll take examples.
As scumFate, who Kat claims to be able to read, yes. Hell, I don't know. That was a response at everyone who called him obvtown. All I know was I had an early town read on SDC but the lurking made it go away so I wanted to know why everyone suddenly saw obvtown in him. Anyways, the point was you wanted to add him to the dying list...Yet you think he's town?
Socio's town as fuck now. He might be lurking but trust me. Scumsocio without a nuke? NOPE.
Toast wrote:Also, MoI's nuke isn't an anti-town nuke.
Socio needed a nuke yesterday. Today? No. As soon as MoI didn't recall after Socio's post, it became one.
MoI wrote:This is the line from Hind’s 1214that to me sticks out as a sore thumb. Why would you wait for being under the threat of Nuclear Annihilation to scum-hunt if you were able to suddenly catch the whole team in 72 RL hours?
Hind has suddenly ‘come alive’ and is trying to look very Pro-Town under pressure. Suspect, IMO.
Considering I'm dying in 72 hours, I am obviously saying "Hey, I'm posting my reads for you people before I die but give me a second before I do" and I like to speak in a confident manner. I'd love to be able to catch the scumteam in 72 hours every game. Hell, maybe I can. I don't know because I never really tried it. I don't care if you would love to help Dana's nuke look good. It isn't. I'm also pretty sure Dana would want me dead regardless of what I do because I've been the main person on his case so pro-town appearances is moot. It's not like I'm trying to impress anyone outside of the nuking thing because they only care about the flip.
Socio, lamen's terms on the mouths shut shenanigans otherwise I will go ahead.
Socio wrote:MoI flings off a nuke, without second thought, at a person whom hadn't even posted in the thread yet since the thread opened, and DEFCON 1 hit.
Citing off how anti-town I am.
I call it 'having a predetermined agenda
No no no. You don't have the bad end of it. I got a nuke flung at me over Hez because DANA CAN'T LYNCH ME. Want to guess why? Because I'm AMERICAN. The case on me is that I'm not scumhunting in any logical way. No examples, no vote, just a one-liner among an ISO.
LLD, you got Playfair because they used no J's, right? Try looking at the ADFGVX Cipher too. I'm going to try my hand at that one in a second since Playfair hasn't done very well.First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.-
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Lame. I thought you had some awesomeness to share and were telling us not to claim.
Inhim wrote:Oh, Socio, I'm sorry it had to come down to this. Is it OK if I chuckle at the irony when you claim Battleship, even though you nailed my ass to the wall eleventy times better than MoI did to you?
This is really ironic. The entire battleship thing is like a big circle of irony, actually. And nah, Socio won't be claiming Battleship because I have the Battleship. What's ironic is I protected you on Night 1 and Night 2 thinking your push on RC made you look like :goodtown: and scum would kill you. I'm pissed Kat killed Spyrex. I was debating between protecting Spyrex or you during Night 1. I might've seen ooba town if he didn't vote me, maybe. I just didn't feel he stood out strongly enough to be killed. And Kat was lol. I don't even get how she made much sense as a target. Also, you guys remember that "Y DOESNT ANYONE LISTEN TO ME" thing, right? Yeah, I posted that to make myself look like a bad kill. Anyone who says shit like that doesn't make much of a good target and I wouldn't exactly look like lynch fodder in doing it, either. I'm just pissed I'm getting outed so early because I wasn't "scumhunting in any logical way". I thought I'd at least survive the first wave of nukes. One of you need to turn Dana into a giant blast crater like someone said they would. I forgot who it was but I will cheer you on.
I'm thinking about it, LLD. It seems really complicated already. They could have but I don't know. They could've made a 25-letter keyword instead >_> If they did, we're only going to crack this through brute forcing, which we can't, so it'd be up to pure luck and analysis from trial and error. Also, see the third leak? I feel like that's the best one we could look at. I got "wrap it up" somewhere in the sentence from putting Move. I changed Meow to Move because I thought Meow might've been them changing keywords. When I put Meow in, I got 'vrap it up' so I change the words around and made it Move. It's possible they posted Meow and used only the first letter of every thing they posted to introduce a new key, which means this is on an entirely new level of difficulty. M and V are definitely in the current key if 'wrap it up' is part of the actual plaintext, though.First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.-
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LOL, sadly, no, I'm flipping American. I'm surprised you can't read me. And yeah, but you were all "Scum might've nuked inhim". I saw the part about them not knowing and being paranoid too and said sorry. But no, you had to be a dick and keep pressing on about how I fail claimed.First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.-
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Lady Lambdadelta wrote:HEY.
ATTENTION.
I'VE GOT SOMETHING ON THE CODES.
I WANT TO SEE IF IT WORKS IN ANY OF THE OTHERS, BUT I HAVE SOMETHING I THINK.
Must tell. I took a break a few hours ago but I'm willing to go back now.
PEdit: Fucking awesome. WE HAVE THE PLAINTEXT AND CIPHERTEXT NOW. NOW WE FIGURE OUT THE KEY(WHICH IS SIMPLE WITH PLAINTEXT AND CIPHERTEXT) AND GG MAFIA FROM THERE. ^5First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.-
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Btw, LLD, something's a bit strange about how you did it. Work with me here.
Original:
KG XQ VD EZ SL XQ ED MX AM MT KM AS TM DR VF QO BS MT UL AN DV XQ MT NQ MU CU ZY
LLD-Version:
KG XQ VD EZ SL XQ ED MX AM MT KM AS TM DR VF QO BS MT SA PU QC VZ QO LS QM UL VX
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Yeah. Encode the bus me part with the etavulpc key, though. It always turns up different, meaning there was a different text in the x's you removed. We need the x's to see what it meant.
LLD wrote:Until I removed the X's, and started making words out of it.
What'd you get before removing them?
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Need doesn't have an x substituted in for your version, though.
dana wrote:Yeah...cause it makes sense that SCUM (who have people trying to prevent their lynch simply because of alignment) get lynched more easily than TOWN (who have people trying to push their lynch simply because of alignment).
I know self-meta isn't all that reliable but when I play scum, it's every man for himself in my book until the next night phase. Just putting that out there.
Magua wrote:Chances are very high that every scumteam member has a different key.
I think this is the case. Running all the phrases that had the same key for letter frequency analysis would've cracked this thing within less than a couple hours with multiple drops.
I stand by Socio-town. Magua, I know you think it's scummy but look at who you're talking about: Socio. Plus, he's likely dying anyways so I doubt he cares. I rest my case.
Inhim wrote:LLD is also scum that cracked the code imo.
Except there's more than one code. Why would scum want to keep me alive for one last protection anyways? You really think the townpoints would be worth it? I don't.
Also, you nook-speculationists are silly. Remember, we've got that Defcon 3 thing I asked about early on still. No need to wait as long as Gamma's cool about it and is town. Hey Gamma, can you ask to get nuked faster?. Your flip will help a lot and I really doubt it's getting recalled.
And LLD, what does your frequency analysis say about the repeated QL in the "dhuxthwcutxhpqsxodephdqlsqvmicql" line? What do you think are the odds QL=TH? Any frequency analysis on it? Also, the inverse HD and DH repeats. Anything on HD/DH=EH/HE, HD/DH=ON/NO, or HD/DH=ER/RE?First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.-
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I didn't want to say it because of the shit Socio was pointing out about revealing my N2 target but I've got role info that makes Gamma look like a piece of shit lying Euro trashbag. I am pretty sure I got roleblocked last night. I got a message saying the target has not been received. Good enough for you? UNLESS SOMEONE WOULD LIKE TO OFFER AN EXPLANATION TO WHY MY SECOND INHIM PROTECTION FAILED,(which, trust me, I spent a while trying to figure out after what Gamma said to make sure inHim wasn't anything like Air Base and I wasn't about to fuck us up by misreading into a PM or anything) continue on with EuroGamma-nuking and fucking recall the one on Socio. I was blocked by A.) Gamma B.) Katsuki. Socio was blocked by A.) Gamma B.) Katsuki. Toog was blocked by C.) Noone. Gamma lied. Socio told the truth and is nuking a scumbag. We kill Gamma; Socio lives. Scum flip. Next in line please and thank you. And if anyone has a history of failing to receive their target and can confirm whether or not it equates to a person being roleblocked, speak up now.First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.-
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1.) Battleship
2.) Eavesdrop
3.) Fallout Shelter
4.) Sub
5.) Silo
I was surprised I got my first one since I thought more people would go for it. I thought I only had a real chance at eavesdrop.
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Magua wrote:Hinduragi wrote:I didn't want to say it because of the shit Socio was pointing out about revealing my N2 target but I've got role info that makes Gamma look like a piece of shit lying Euro trashbag. I am pretty sure I got roleblocked last night. I got a message saying the target has not been received. Good enough for you? UNLESS SOMEONE WOULD LIKE TO OFFER AN EXPLANATION TO WHY MY SECOND INHIM PROTECTION FAILED,(which, trust me, I spent a while trying to figure out after what Gamma said to make sure inHim wasn't anything like Air Base and I wasn't about to fuck us up by misreading into a PM or anything) continue on with EuroGamma-nuking
IHSIB should claim if he has the Airbase or not. Assuming that IHSIB doesn't claim Airbase, this is 100% correct -- Magna should abort the nuke on Sociopath and Gamma should die in a fire.
Except my first protection worked so inHim CAN'T have Air Base unless he got it after N1.
SDC wrote:^Like this, I mean SERIOUSLY, this isn't the Socio town I know.
Wow, just saw this in a Socio quote. Yeah, I was the person who proposed that before Socio too but you didn't spot that one. If Gamma flips now, we have info and wouldn't have to recall nukes later. More information now leads to better information later. But now Gamma's scum anyways so it doesn't matter.
Mina wrote:Next question. Hinduragi, why did you put Battleship ahead of Eavesdrop? If you really thought your best bet was taking Eavesdrop, why did you choose Battleship first?
I never played a doc role before and I thought it'd be fun. Plus, I remember predicting NK's in games before as VT by just thinking about it and then being pissed that our doctor protected scum or a VT claimed doctor . Plus scum wanted it last game. It was like a win-win-win situation except I predicted wrong..twice.First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.-
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gorilla wrote:Magua wrote:@Swift Justice:One of Regfan or Magister Ludi, with more of a preference on Regfan. If Revenge of Wei flips town instead of scum, Internet Stranger.
regfan has claimed to have a nuke, so I want him to target someone before he possibly gets nuked so he can't go "trololo i am scum nook magua" or w/e
If he goes "trololo i am scum nook magua", I'd RATHER have him dead BEFORE he targets someone.
LLD, got anything on the bottom of 1403?
Toog, you need to read the post where I got RB'd. Gamma's scum. Yes, he needs to suicide. No, he probably won't but will instead lurk until his homeland is a crater.First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.-
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Toogeloo wrote:Are we going with scorched earth theory then at this point?
Any WIFOM of alignment should just be craterized? I think you said you had some crazy theory of bussing between gamma and socio, but I'm not sure they would go about that in such a manner in less than a dozen posts, would they? Should MoI be recalling and let gamma drop dead, or since we have a 75% advantage over scum, and them having a single night kill a night, opt for total destruction of all questionables?
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Pooky nuked Gamma for IS when IS had to go for Wei.
Gamma said he blocked Toog to confirm his counterintelligence both nights.
MoI nuked Socio.
Socio sub-nuked Gamma and got blocked.
Gamma says it was Katsuki who blocked Socio.
I say I got blocked last night.
That's 3 blocks. Socio's confirmed. I know I was blocked. Toog must be the guy who wasn't blocked.
A.k.a. Gamma lied. Why lie about Toog? Townpoints, buddies, etc. No town-motive, though.
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Gammagooey wrote:HAPPY BIRTHDAY FATE!
Hinduragi is scum battleship about to get outed by Revenge of the Wei not dying.
Katsuki blocked Socio.
YEP.
LOL, what'd you do? CI my protect to Wei?
Gamma's confirmed scum. He won't suicide because he knows there are confirmed townies as soon as he does. Wei probable buddy? I don't know where his prediction of Wei not dying comes from but if it happens, there's buddies in either Wei or Toog.
Faraday's obvtown too.
Magua wrote:Kindly suicide now with the magic phrase then.[/quote
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HEY GAMMA. For the record, did you or Katsuki block me?
Faraday, read on Mina. I was just letting her slide by and trusting you and hoping you were town. Now it's crunch time.
MOI, WHY ARE YOU SO STUBBORN?
SJ wrote:fucking LLD can't be allowed live till endgame btw. don't let it happen. seriously. someone promise me it won't come to that if she's scum btw i'm gloating for fucking ever for being awesome,. if she's not i'll pretend i was trolling all along to get reads >_>
Ok, I saw the earlier case on LLD. But then she was like "RECALL ON HINDU OR I WILL HOLOCAUST YOUR ASS" and that was insta read change. Bullet point why she's still scum.First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.-
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This is going to sound crazy but on the OFF CHANCE IS is scum, Pooky is prob-buddy. Double-bus nuke on their buddies makes for one of the best gambits in mafia history. I haven't played with them before but I'm assuming they're decent and have guts so I can see it. I have a townread on both, though.
and I'm pretty sure that two of them will live to endgame
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Magua wrote:Pretty much why I don't have a townread on IS.
IS wrote:I will agree that the flavor reads like the terrorist pulled off a kill and the Europeans are a bunch of shitbags that cant even get a kill right. They probably wasted the entire night discussing bullshit and trying to find some socialist way to make everything fair for everyone. I knew those European dog scumbags had no balls.
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[Day 3, DEFCON 1 - Vote Count IV - Party Time]
"I get half a million just to show up at parties. My life is, like, really, really fun." --Paris Hilton
Even the mod is partying. The Gamma party infection is spreading.
Equinox, they're all waiting on flips. I would be too, except I already voted beforehand and Socio is basically confirmed town now.First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.-
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I have this gut tingling that Socio is flipping town.
Really? What was it? The part where Gamma basically confirmed him or the part where he was obvtown post-nuke? ...<_<.....You got it from PEOPLE PLANNING TO NUKE YOU? I don't even....
Also, Dana recalled like...20 pages ago or something. But, after I'm NK'd, someone needs to policy nuke her if it goes down to low numbers.
Dana wrote:I think I've been pretty transparent about at least the first two:
SCUM:
HezLucky
Hinduragi
Gamma? (He's been buddying me pretty hard, which would seem to be a mafia tactic. Not sure about this one since it's a bit self-meta etc.)
NULL:
Everyone else except....
TOWN:
RevengeoftheWei
Swift Justice
You guys KILLED two of my townreads, so...yeah.
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Holy shit it's my scumday and we're getting 2 scum at once on it. I need more of these things.
FATE, WHY AREN'T YOU SPAMMING MORE NOW THAT YOU'RE BACK?
ML wrote:eh, spamming caps doesn't change the fact you've not acted in a protown manner all game. You're more likely scum than town. Thats why you need to be nuked.
eh, posting fluff content doesn't change the fact you've not acted in a protown manner all game. You're more likely scum than town. Thats why you need to be nuked.
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Socio isn't fucking suiciding. That's the stupid'est shit I've ever heard.
Also, who was that who tried to rule out a nightkill or nuke or whatever based on someone LEADING THE TOWN? I MEAN, DID YOU CHECK THIS PLAYERLIST? LOLOLOL THERE WILL BE NO TOWN LEADER WITH THAT KIND OF PLAYERLIST.
Socio wrote:Unvote
VOTE: SCREAMING DEATH CLAN
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I can see SDC-scum and I wish you publically nuked him. But...
SDC wrote:SOCIO IS NOT TOWN.
HE HAS JUST CLAIMED SCUM, FOR HIS FUCKING OWN SAKE.
He just bet his reputation, which you were asking him to put on the line.
IF NOT THEN IM GONNA MODKILL MYSELF TO GET TO HIM SOONER.
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SocioPath wrote:There is no way SDC would have lasted this long in DEFCON 1 without launching a NOOK for some EGOTASICAL SCUM HUNTING.
Which makes Toog look worse by comparison.
And LLD better.
Lynch the hell out of SDC.
Don't waste a NOOK.
And don't forget about Regfan.
He PROMISED to modkill himself if you flipped town. It seems like a better idea to just let him kill himself.
And no, Equinox. Do you have any tips or want to help before you die? Right now, it's look at stuff, hope it's this letter, make a guess at letter placings on the 5x5 grid, and then hope that guessing will get the key.First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.-
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