Double-Dip Mafia, Game Over

[iamausername]

VOTE: RedCoyote

Pre-emptive OMGUS because I'm sure he'll be bearing a grudge after Khan's game.

VOTE: smallpeoples343

for other reasons.

[iamausername]

Who's played with Furry before.
I have.

I'm pretty sure I haven't.

[iamausername]

UNVOTE: RedCoyote
VOTE: Hiraki

I feel like he's deliberately trying to add to the confusion that the double-dip mechanic will naturally add to proceedings.

[iamausername]

UNVOTE: RedCoyote
VOTE: Hiraki

I feel like he's deliberately trying to add to the confusion that the double-dip mechanic will naturally add to proceedings.

How so?

By making an unnecessary number of vote changes in the first two pages and unvoting people he wasn't actually voting for. I think that kind of behaviour serves mostly to delay the process of generating a substantial wagon or two.

Also he apparently doesn't even remember who his three 'scumreads' are. Clearly some totally legitimate suspicion there.

[iamausername]

I remember who they were, I just missed one.

Who are they, then?

[iamausername]

Please elaborate on how your suggestion that 3 out of 3 of your scumreads are on the smallwagon could possibly arise from a counting error and not you forgetting which of Empking and imaginality was supposed to be a serious vote.

[iamausername]

Hiraki used Dodge the Question!

It's not very effective...

[iamausername]

ok ill reword for you hiraki...

The number of imaginalities on the smallwagon is zero. Being unable to mentally process such a large number, you miscounted, and thought the number of imaginalities on the smallwagon was in fact one. This is what you expect us to believe, y/n?

HOW YUO MISCOUT WAGEN. HOW. IMAGINALITY NOT ON WAGEN. WHY YOUD THINK HE ON WAGEN. HE NOT ON WAGEN.

Empking, on the other hand, was on the wagon. Is it possible, dear fellow, that perhaps, when you said "3 out of 3", you were talking about

Empking

, Ellibereth and myself? You had, after all, voted for all three of us. Is there not the most miniscule of chances that perhaps you were thinking of Empking as the third of your thoroughly well-developed and not remotely fabricated scumreads when you made that statement? Only to realise that, after juggling your votes around merrily to the delight of all, one of them had ended up resting on imaginality, therefore requiring you to identify him as one of your scumreads, despite this rendering your statement that 3 out of 3 of your scumreads were on the smallwagon completely wrong? Isn't that what happened?

[iamausername]

I miscounted how many of my 3 scum were on the wagon, the second time.

HOW. HOW DID YOU DO THIS.

[iamausername]

UNVOTE: smallpeoples
VOTE: Empking

I'm gonna need some kind of explanation for those last two votes.

I'm not going to continue explaining to Hiraki how he has scumslipped. If anyone else is having trouble comprehending my posts, let me know.

[iamausername]

UNVOTE: smallpeoples
VOTE: Empking

I'm gonna need some kind of explanation for those last two votes.

Ran and LK are distancing from one another. That means they're scum.

Oh. You're wrong.

[iamausername]

They're not scum. That means they're not distancing from each other.

[iamausername]

Low Key, you did good work in #327, but trying to explain to scum why they are scum just clogs up the thread. Leave it be.

I will be making a much more substantial post within the next few hours, just want to put an end to the raging quote war before it gets even more out of hand.

[iamausername]

UNVOTE: Empking

That was a silly reactionary vote, which I mostly made because I wanted to get off the smallwagon. There's gotta be a better place I could put that one.

@Iam: Same, I need some more stances. Thoughts on RC, Kunkstar, Empking, Elli, and WLC k thx.

You can have ALL THIS AND MORE!

RedCoyote

I have a fairly strong town read on him, for reasons that it would not be beneficial to explain right now. Do remind me to explain it later, though (not today).

I have no problem with Hiraki earning some votes.

Wouldn't you like to add one of your own?

Kunkstar

I think it's very weird that he hasn't voted at all. Not scummy-weird, just 'why would you sign up for

this

game and then not exercise your right to vote?'-weird. His activity so far is wretched, I think we're in a 'shape up or ship out' scenario here.

I also think you made a very good point about his "Whatsup with the smalls wagon? Legit or just randomwagongo?" post that he has pointedly failed to address. And I don't like the way he attacks Empking for making tons of unexplained vote changes, but says nothing about Hiraki doing the same.

This seems like a very good place for my second vote, actually.

Empking

Empking I find very very hard to read. His mind works in a way that is very alien to me; I can't tell if the scumtells he sees honestly make sense to him, I just know they don't make sense to

me

. He's one of those players that I really need to rely on interaction tells to peg one way or the other.

Ellibereth

Elli will become much much easier to read a couple of days in, when we can see if all his inscrutable nonsense actually has any kind of grand plan behind it or if he's just bullshitting. For now, I'm happy to let him keep doing as he will.

WeyounsLastClone

He's not a lot better than kunkstar, actually. Don't like his initial Amrun vote, I don't see any indication of how "p-editing her first vote was strange" equates to "p-editing her first vote was scummy". And when he's not talking about Amrun, he seems exceedingly passive.

BONUS READS:

imaginality

His Pom case looks good on an intellectual level, but I'm not feeling it in my gut. It doesn't read as contrived though; I believe that he is feeling it, even if I'm not. Generally he's looking pretty good.

Ameliaslay

Don't know why anyone is voting for her. Gut is good, gut being directed against Hiraki is great.

Hiraki

Still scum.

Due to Petry stating that he knows Slay has ton of experience, it sounds like they have offsite experience together and has seen him play quite a bit. This is only a theory though.

Ameliaslay probably is semi-newb, which is a good thing to bring up

Take a look at her join date, think again.

VOTE: kunkstar7

[iamausername]

smalls, why are you only using one of your votes?

[iamausername]

He originally said 2/3. Then he changed his mind and said 3/3. I made no mistake.

[iamausername]

Alright. Iam, did you believe that he was faking suspicion on Imag? Is this the premise of your suspicion?

Somewhat. I think he's faking all of his suspicions, and imaginality is one of those, so yeah.

He claims to have looked at the smallwagon, seen 2 out of 3 of his early scumreads on it, then 'doubted himself', checked the wagon again and counted 3 out of 3 of his early scumreads on it, even though we was actually right the first time.

I do not believe it is plausible that he would make this mistake. I don't see how, if he was genuinely suspicious of imaginality, he could completely imagine his presence on that wagon

when he was specifically looking to see if he'd made a mistake in his count

. I think it is much more likely that the mistake he made was forgetting who his three early scumreads were. Specifically, one of the people he voted for at the start of the game was Empking, who was on the smallwagon. Add me and Ellibereth, and that gives you the three he counted.

And, obviously, forgetting who his early scum reads were is a lot more likely to happen if he is faking those reads, which would make him scum.

[iamausername]

I made a mistake in saying the RVS was irrelevant but tried to dodge by saying it was about Eli and then recanted that and said again I made a mistake.

This is probably an even better point against him than my one, because it's even less plausible for a town player to make the 'mistake' that Hiraki claims to have made here. How on earth do you 'accidentally' say that RVS is irrelevant when you don't actually believe that?

[iamausername]

Crazy: (post 377) Your analysis of kunkstar seemed a little stating the obvious... "shape up- ship out"... why bother? Content fluff?

Call me Crazy, but I think that was actually my post you're talking about. And as to the 'why bother', Ranmaru asked me to comment on various players, including kunkstar, and I live to please.

[iamausername]

VOTE: WeyounsLastClone

I liked Crazy's Post #589, I'm on board with this wagon.

VOTE: Pomegranate

Unless someone wants to argue that a townie could be lynched on D1 without any scum involvement at all, I think everyone should be using at least one of their votes on someone who was on the Hiraki lynch. Pom looks the worst out of the bunch to me.

[iamausername]

We have a confirmed town who read me as town. I know that doesn't say anything, but not sure why you have such a different read than LK

[snip]

Anyway, not sure where smalls is going. He uses LK's suspicions, but those were partly based on who was not voting Hiraki, so I don't think that list is the best to go about.

Vote:smalls

Yeah, you can't just selectively choose which of Loki's reads are fair game to bring up based on what suits you.

[iamausername]

We have a confirmed town who read me as town. I know that doesn't say anything, but not sure why you have such a different read than LK

[snip]

Anyway, not sure where smalls is going. He uses LK's suspicions, but those were partly based on who was not voting Hiraki, so I don't think that list is the best to go about.

Vote:smalls

Yeah, you can't just selectively choose which of Loki's reads are fair game to bring up based on what suits you.

Yeah you can.

[iamausername]

You don't see anything wrong with WLC using Loki's reads to defend himself, then calling smalls scummy for using Loki's reads to inform his own?

[iamausername]

Vote:smalls

[iamausername]

Then you should read the arguments. From how I read it, smalls was using Low Key's scumreads which were based on Hiraki being scum. We know this has been disproven, so I don't think these are too useful. For as far as I know, LK's read on me was apart from the Hiraki-wagon, a general read that would still apply if LK was alive today.

OK, fine, but how does this equate to small being scum, as opposed to just wrong?

[iamausername]

Mod Note:

Ameliaslay has been prodded.

@mod: Did she pick up this prod?

[iamausername]

Oh dear I'm totally not feeling like I have a grasp on this game. I guess that means it's time to reread the whole thread and/or iso everybody. Mmm.

[iamausername]

Town

Ellibereth
Amrun, imaginality
Crazy

Null

iamausername
Empking

Scum

kunkstar7
DGB
WLC, Ranmaru

smalls? RedCoyote?

[iamausername]

VOTE: kunkstar

Don't even want to use my other vote right now.