DEFCON Mafia 3.0 - Over, American Victory!

[HezLucky]

Confirm.

No Total War.

[HezLucky]

I'm going to take this moment to read over the original DEFCON as well as DEFCON 2.0 so I can get a better idea of what's going on. Is there anything I should know about those games that differs greatly from this one?

[HezLucky]

Vote: No Total War

DeathVote:HezLucky

What is this "death vote" you speak of and should I be acquiring a nuke for self-defense? :HUGE GRIN:

[HezLucky]

Okay gamma. I will be less boring by nuking you the first chance I get. Be ready.

Having read DEFCON 1 already I disagree with gammagooey #131 -- Hinduragi was scum in that game and nuked his buddy on way to victory.
Nuking is like very intense bussing -- we shuold not be using it to clear people.

OH MAN WE ARE IN DEFCON 4 ... Gonna read Defcon 2.0 tonight then make my decision.

[HezLucky]

Magua has also just made my list.

[HezLucky]

Magua has also just made my list.

Curious that you responded so quickly. I thought you were off reading DEFCON 2.0.

Changed my mind. Lazy like that.

But I WILL be reading it before sending in my choice.

[HezLucky]

Also, your calm response to my response is intriguing and seems calculated. You're first.

[HezLucky]

Three words Magua:

NUKES.
DON'T.
LIE.

[HezLucky]

I want Hez dead before he has a chance to kill Gamma.

No worries it will be you before Gamma. That should afford me an extra day. =D

[HezLucky]

Hahahahahahaha

Ohhhhh beautiful.

okay I _promise_ I will kill you before gamma.

Any questions?

[HezLucky]

Ah, how cute.

You've caught on that I DON'T KID AROUND WITH NUKES.

The only promise I make is that if I nuke Gamma you'll already be dead for some reason.

[HezLucky]

Just wait until SpyreX flips scum. Then you will know the truly awesome and frightening scumhunting abilities of the Hez.

HEZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZWAVRE

[HezLucky]

I'd like to take the opportunity to say right now that a hez lynch cannot possibly be something I will regret at this point. If you're town, hez, please don't take the Submarine or something, cause you're so anti-town that you're going to be lynched eventually.

DON'T take the submarine? How is this a good idea?


Anyhow I'm going to be very disappointed when town loses this game because they won't listen to me about SpyreX.

I can't be 100% sure already of what hez's alignment is, but I'm sure that with that playstyle, hez is not going to be catching scum during the day, but rather throwing everyone else off. I'm not even saying I'm going to lynch hez right away, although I might. I'm just saying that hez is not getting to any lylo, 3-way or otherwise, and I wouldn't mind being involved in that.

No, the scum will tremble in their boots when they see me picking them off one by one. No way I make it that far.

Ya'all need to turn in your roles so I can scumhunt based on something other than set-up plans.

REALLY!? YOU HAVE NO SCUM READS YET?
Hmm okay looks like somenoe called you out on it.

Is going to be dead before he can nuke this is also non-negotiable:
Hez

How self-preservationist of you, given that you are the only one who I am for-sure nuking at this point.




Yay I am being policy-lynched. Beware of meta, folks. I'm very vengeful. (This does not apply to the scum on my future wagon -- nor
does this apply if I flip scum -- but any town who policy lynch me beware I WILL get my revenge)

[HezLucky]

Okay have fun losing bb

[HezLucky]

and you're first, scum or not.

seriously don't test me.

[HezLucky]

because the idea of a policy lynch pisses me off beyond no end. this goes way beyond the game.

[HezLucky]

Suddenly nuking SpyreX is anti-town? Even though he is the scummiest person in this game by far?

I'm more calm now than I was yesterday. And then I read this thread. If I am lynched this game and I do not feel it's because people think I am scum, I will definitely be getting my revenge.

This ultimately comes down to a f*#%#*% old boys club. If SpyreX or someone else more well known had said "I want to nuke so and so and I'm doing so for sure" nobody would bat an eye. I am very very very angry right now.

[HezLucky]

Sounds as though you're scum, who's been caught for what you perceive as the "wrong" reasons, and now you're trying to RAGEPOST your way out of it.

You better hope I am scum. Becaues If I'm not, as I said - you're first.

(aka. I don't believe you)

[HezLucky]

Keep adding fuel to the fire. This will not end well for you.

[HezLucky]

Good point.

I'm very angry right now. Logically, it would be the person advocating the policy lynch.

But who uses logic when they're angry?

[HezLucky]

Aside from this being possibly against site rules

Is it? Then I take it back. But everything about me being angry still stands.

[HezLucky]

Hez is more likely overcompensating scum trying to do a Fate imitation.

Aww I like you so much. You actually think I'm scum. <3

[HezLucky]

I am not scum.

That is all.

I don't think that really matters at this point anymore though.

[HezLucky]

I'm not reading SDC as Town for the 'hey, give us Airbase' claim when we have two independant scum factions (Euro and Terrorist) at play. My read comes from other posts.

Can you explain this? If there was only one scum faction, how would that change your read on SDC?

Also to all you jokers out there, you guys do realize that SDC, by taking airbase, are already SIGNING A PACT TO DIE before MYLO right? They themselves have offered to die before then. I don't see scum doing this, MEANING THEY ARE TOWN.

Not to mention AIRBASE just allows them to be immune to NKs, not unkillable...
Even if you guys don't think they're town, the fact that they're dying before MYLO to prevent any shenanigans should mean that if you are town, you should have no reason to want to stop them. Aka, those who are going "wah wah xFATEx is gonna be un-NK-able me dun want them to have airbase cuz they gonna nail our scumteam wah wah" are probably SCUM.

ALL IN ALL, AIRBASE SHOULD GO TO xFATEx.

Katsuki raises an excellent point here and gives me my first town-read of the game.


I actually like IS in this game from #498. But given that all of my reads have been off lately, that might mean he's scum :S

I'm of the opinion that at least one of the people jockeying for the ability to lead town is scum.

I'll be watching SDC/IS/Pooky closely for this reason.

Agreed. One of them is using meta to their advantage.

Vote: AurorusVox

[HezLucky]

Vote: Hez

Choo Choo I'm a train.

Do you want to lynch scum or do you want to lynch anti-town?

Your vote needs to be on AV.

[HezLucky]

I may have gotten carried away earlier today with the idea of HOLY CRAP NUKING SOMEONE in a game of mafia, and suggested I was going to act nuke-happy*, so yes

* although this is only anti-town if you don't catch scum. and I plan on nuking me a scumbag.

[HezLucky]

Hez, are you only voting for me because I think you're scum? Because I don't recall you mentioning me at all until I said you were scummy.

You were baiting me in our previous interaction. That's not at all town-motivated.

[HezLucky]

Fine, I won't nuke you.

Jeez.

[HezLucky]

I seriously trust scum to take a less damaging shot than ANY you'd take considering what you've professed thus far.

And that's IF you're town.

Why is your behaviour so self-preservationist?

My most recent suggestion was that I would only nuke you. Hell, I just looked at my ISO and completely forgot about my exchange with Magua.

But your self-preservationist behaviour is VERY interesting. Especially given that it started BEFORE we chose roles.

[HezLucky]

Fine, I won't nuke you.

Jeez.

That's too bad. I've been using your "I'm going to nuke you" posts as indicators as to who the town is.

Fine I'll continue threatening nuking people, but I make no promises that it will actually happen.

[HezLucky]

This isn't my scum meta in the slightest. Don't know where you got that from Toast.

Reg: So sure I'm scum but where's the vote? Scum.

Vi defended me when I was town and she was scum in txtMafia. But she's like the only person I agree with right now so I don't even know.
SpyreX is town. Ooba is town.

Hez + possibly MoI are the scum pushing my wagon, apparently Katsuki has hidden towntells? Completely don't know why Kat's voting me though.

Did you even read the past page and a half? You're scum guilty of skimming.

I'm not going to nuke you, because I fully expect you to be DEAD BEFORE ME.

Protip: This didn't start with you saying you were going to nuke me. That was icing on the cake.

I don't understand. I mean, I understand the part about "Hez is going to cause so much damage" starting before I suggested nuking you, but I don't understand how that answers the question (specifically because YOU QUOTED THE QUESTION and gave a response to a different question)

[HezLucky]

but

a) I've said that I'd consider nuking you and only you.
b) You aren't even convinced I'm scum (as by your post on the previous page)
and
c) I've clearly calmed down a bit in the past few days and stopped ZOMFG RAGE that started tihs business to begin with.

And you're still voting for me. Quite self-preservationist.

[HezLucky]

This isn't my scum meta in the slightest. Don't know where you got that from Toast.

Did you even read the past page and a half? You're scum guilty of skimming.

Please link me to posts where someone has used meta as a reason for finding me scummy.

I quoted your whole post as a response to you, not that specific point.

[HezLucky]

Gamma read the other half of my ISO in Open 302.

If you STILL think I'm scum you're just pathetic.

[HezLucky]

No read yet on Magua, sorry.

I don't develop reads as quickly as the people of this generation, who go OMG HE POSTED ONCE HE'S TOWN/SCUM GUARANTEED.

I need to figure out how to do this, because they tend to be right more than I do.

[HezLucky]

Sometimes I'm overexcitable. Sometimes I'm mad. Sometimes I don't care. I do believe this makes me human.

Why get myself excited over nuking if it's clear I won't make it that far?

[HezLucky]

Holee I've got to catch up in all my games.

Okay doing a complete reread give me a day.

[HezLucky]

Okay time for my catchup.

Townread on Hinduragi #50.

Magister Ludi #55 is actually a really good post. Not sure how I missed this the first time around. But he's right.

Magua #70 is consistent with what his position on me later on -- he thinks "people are going to be much better with using their nukes
once they have their reads established". I'm thinking that if he had attacked me it would have been very hypocritical. He didn't.
Consistency is town.

Gamma's #99 and subsequent attacking of me is just idiotic.

Posts like Magua #101 are being really helpfulw ith town. However, I recall a recent game I read that I was not in where Magua was
really helpful as scum and used that to become the sole survivor (was this RC's game?). So I'm definitely not giving him anything
for that.

AurorusVox #104 - it might be best to let scum have sub, eh? Good for you, AV. To the scumpile you remain.

Seriuosly though Magua #107 ... his posts are SO GOOD and he's not leaving ANYTHING OUT. he's making it very difficult for scum. I
just can't possibly see Magua as anything but TOWN.


I've become so calm lately and then I read Spyrex #174 and I want to completely F#@$#@% NUKE HIM AGAIN. Okay, dude. I take policy
lynches REALLY PERSONALLY so lay off please.

Spyrex #183 also makes me very angry.

townread on Regfan #220. A lot of his post is speculation on what the mafia would do. I see two possibilities -- he's thinking this
through as a townie trying to use the mindset of mafia OR he's mafia and has already thought this through. Given the degree of
analysis (ie. not much, but enough ... suggesting he's come up with a few nuggets but isn't spouting the full-blown analysis of his
scumbuddies) I'm inclined to go with the former.

LLD #233 - but this does not make inhim scum. Sure as hell sounds like something I would do =D

AurorusVox #236 - fake analysis. ranking several power roles isn't going to make you likely to get anything except probably the first.

Mina #241 - the brackets are good analysis. very useful information for later. Swift Justice #244 helps to support a Mina-town read
for the moment.

HOWEVER I do have suspicion of Swift Justice from the bottom several posts on Page 10. He spends an awful lot of time clearing people
as town. I could see it as these people being town while Swift Justice-scum makes legitimate "reads" on them. Gets credibility for
being right, and uses it to his advantage later. I feel that a town player would make some scum reads as well, rather than just
randomly get in people's good books for calling them "town". Scumread.

Also don't like Swift Justice #257's FOS on Mina. It's a dumb reason to give someone a finger of suspicion.
...though it appears it was a joke. Hm.

dana is obv scum though. #259. so fake. so forced. so....scum!

Toasty #284: copout. Playstyle?

Gamma #307 - your defense of dana is noted.

Mina #308 is TOTALLY LEGIT. (read the attempted breaking strategy)
Alright. Anyone who hints at Mina being scum from here on out goes on my scumlist.

Mina #310 - why is Katsuki town? I have literally no read whatsoever at this point.

SpyreX #312 - at least he's not going around calling me scum. That would make him look really bad in my eyes.
On the other hand baesd on this post the probability of me nuking him has gone down a bit.
(now that I've, like, made proper reads and stuff)

MAGISTER LUDI #337 -- FUCK THIS IS BRILLIANT. I swear I thought of it first. At least, in my reread
because I don't remember this post. But it is EXCELLENT. TOWN! YOU AREN'T LETTING SWIFT JUSTICE HIDE.

seriously i want credit for this too.

And I don't like Swift Justice's reply. #347 especially.
(though, game aside, I agree meta-wise with #353. hate that)

SpyreX #355 is scum though, because I don't agree with his "Toasty you've got potential". I didn't see
much in Toasty #354 that suggested he was useful, or coming up with anything remotely groundbreaking.

Katsuki #357 (why am I asking you all the questions?) - MoI's scum-meta. Less contributions? Is that
how it works? I've played with Town-MOI who contributes a lot. A helluva lot.

and ugh you write things when you're angry sometimes, and reread them later, and just shake your
head. But AurorusVox #369 ices the cake as scum. The RAGEPOST comment is just "i'm going to bait you,
and then accuse you of something that's easy to do but since i've baited and questioned you it will
make it seem like i came to a conclusion rather than a blatant accusation"

Why the hell isn't AV being lynched?

...and yes, the rest of it was F#*$#$ BAITING. DIE SCUM DIE. OH MAN WHY ARE WE NOT LYNCHING
THIS DISGUSTING DIRTY SCUM?

...man I gotta stop reading my angry posts. They are making me angry.

Magua #394 is either scum or completely and utterly unable to read me. Will refrain judgement for now.

On the other hand I'm convinced Gamma actually does think I'm scum. #408. Town read. No nuke for you, gamma.

...yeah I don't nuke town. Sorry. My reputation would be shot if I did.

SOCIOPATH #416. WHAT DID I SAY ABOUT MINA? GUESS WHAT? THIS IS TOWN. BUT YOU, SOCIOPATH, ARE DEATH SCUM SCUM SCUM SCUM.

(Am I provoking an actual sociopath here? :S)

<3 IS #419. Nominate for Scummy "being generally awesome"

RedCoyote #424 -- 1) raises an excellent point about Magua that was probably worth bringing up. Townpoints to Magua.
2) Critique of Mina #36 is highly opportunistic. It's a very easy criticism to make (esp given that MINA IS REALLY TOWN YO
PLZ SCUMHUNT FOR REAL) [[[also a good chunk of this post is critiquing Mina . See above. Mina is obvobvobvtown and he's critiquing
opportunistic garbage]]]

Though RedCoyote #432 against AurorosVox makes me happy

What's with SDC's #463 reaction against MoI? o_O

AurorusVox #484 @Magna Part 2 is WIFOM -- Yes, it benefits town, but that doesn't mean scum won't take it for the exact same reasoning
you just mentioned. (though Magna #485 states exactly this)

Agree with Katsuki #489 (the pact dealy). SDC is town.

I don't understand ToastyToast #492's case on IS. At all. Is it a joke or real?

SocioPath distancing from RedCoyote #495. Not sure what to make of this given RC's flip.

Seriously, IS deserves a scummy for being entertaining. @498

I _STILL_ Agree with LLD's #508. One of SDC/IS/Pooky is likely scum. Unfortunately, I have no freakin clue which one.

I love MoI's posting. #514. I hated it in Open 302. In Open 302 he was town. IGMEOY MOI. (though I'm staying the hell away from
any actual accusations because I'm too scared to be wrong twice)

I like LLD #529. It's not only a pro-town statement to make, but the context and choice of words reads legitimate.

Pooky giving IS a run for his money in entertainment.

Mina #564 --- Mina is so obviously town it hurts me in places it would be inappropriate to mention. Especially the line about Vi
in this post. This is completely and utterly genuine scumhunting. Once again, anyone who suggests Mina is scum should probably be
nuked on sight.

However. Magua #567 -- I do not share his Toasty read.

AV #570 - no you were baiting. continually asking questions in an attempt to make me look worse.

AV #571 - This sounds like scum admitting town is town. (ie. AV admitting Toog is town)

SpyreX #574 --- AWWW <3 I won't nuke you promise. (then again I promiesd I would nuke you so YOU'RE TAKING A RISK SPYREX)

ooba #580 - why isn't ooba contributing more?

Regfan #586 - as much as Regfan is defending me he could definitely be scum from this post :S But this hinges on AV being scum
as well. Also, I don't claim to be able to read Regfan well. So null for now. His scumlist is fine but Regfan is able to legitimately
scumhunt while still being scum, as witnessed by my previous game with him.

Magua #595 is the most hilarious thing ever. My scumhunting is that bad, eh?

AurorusVox is SO SCUM OH MY GOSH PEOPLE WHO VOTED THE OTHER GUY NEED TO DIE NOW.

SpyreX #599 -- the word "protip" also makes me angry, fill with rage and nuke happy. I hope you're watching out for yourself, because
I may not be.

Okay fine Regfan #608 you are town happy? (the defense of me is just too solid)
...but then you vote for RedCoyote. ARGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH Null read again. I want Regafn to be town I erally do but that
might cost me the game again.

Response to AV #609 ... when someone is mad, they don't care for "logic". You want to push someone who is mad and you will get a
response. What you do with that response determines YOUR scumminess, not mine. It's spelled B-A-I-T-I-N-G.

As said earlier Gamma is town because of #620 and the subsequent one where I am convinced he actually thinks I'm scum.

The irony is that I _still_, even in this reread, don't have a read on Magua (response to AV #623)

LLD #627 ... Going to let other people read Regfan. I want to believe he's town, because his defense of me seems legit, but meta tells
me to beware as he's very good scum.

SpyreX #646 glad you FINALLY admitted it was self-preservationist. what took you so long? (also IS #648 is WAYYYYYYY more chaotic
than me, fyi)

pooky #659 - people need to listen to posts like this. AV is a french whore, dammit!

---RC has flipped as of when I am at his catchup #676 so I obv won't be commenting just reading it---

However, now that we know RC is scum. Who started his crappy wagon? (being the person who was wagoned counter to AV before dana I
quite agreed with RC's logic. Let's see who didn't)

MoI and inhim? Well, MoI and I never see eye to eye... -_-

...Yeah sorry inhim. You're scum. #695 (and it's so unfortunate given that SEE MY SIGNATURE)

---holy crap I've got 6 pages to go and SpyreX is dead. holy crap will post in morning ---

*sigh* MoI #700 is just MoI's way of scumhunting. MoI looks for contradictions and inconsistencies, which are nice, yes, but that
doesn't always indicate someone is scum -_-

But I'm placing most of the blame of the RC wagon on inhim.

Agree with MoI #739 logic of nuking SocioPath.

Scumread on gorilla #759 - for fencesitting earlier on with Hezwavre. Also, for asking RC a leadign question (dude the answer is
obvious his reads changed) in order to justify his existence on the wagon.

...and Ludi is just really good at erading people. Ludi is twon town town.

Swift Justice #822 is interesting. It's too bad I have the opposite read you expect me to have ie. SJ scum LLD maybe-town so your
refusal to answer her questions makes you look TERRIBLE.

----it is now Day Two----

Gamma #855 --- the AV vote in that post is separate from my commentary on SDC/IS/Pooky. I was just not very good at making it obvious.

#863/#864 - I did not understand what MoI was saying. I asked for clarification. Any questions? Oh wait, both of you are scum.

Lady LambdaDelta has great reads ... in other words, I agree with them ... in other words, given my track record recently, they are
probably wrong

danakillsu #866 -- lets not make TOWN waste a nuke? wtf is this?

I'm not going to be posting scum and town lists though you can figure it out based on this post. I don't want to make life easy
for the Europeans (ie. to make it simple for them to figure out whether they need to kill me or not)

Speaking of good reads from people to trust. Mina is god. Let's finish what we started yesterday.

Vote: AurorusVox

Don't screw it up this time people.

[HezLucky]

Actually it's moer beneficial to me if I have my reads in a place I can refer back to them later. So here they are for the skimmers:

Reads for my own use:

Sole Survivor in a Nuclear Holocaust would make me so happy aka. uberTOWN: Mina
Town: Hinduragi, Gamma, Magister Ludi, SDC, Toogeloo
Leaning Town but verdict still out: LLD
I can't read this mofo: Magua
I want to say Town but I'm afraid of making that mistake twice see Open 302: Regfan
I'm not even going to try and read him see Open 302: MoI
Scum: AV, Swift Justice, danakillsu, SocioPath, inhim, gorilla
(All others null)

Oh look six scum. How convenient. I'm not goign to pretend I have all of them right, but this is a good jumping-off point.

[HezLucky]

This is beyond ridiculous. We were trying to lynch AV yesterday and then people got sidetracked --- most likely scum led the sidetracking.

Now we are so close to lynching AV and then PEOPLE ARE STILL GETTING SIDETRACKED. Why hasn't AV been lynched yet? ARGH!

[HezLucky]

Remember everyone tomorrow we get nukes! You can satisfy your dumb agendas then. We have scum to lynch.

[HezLucky]

yes, yes, and regrettably, no. That was sort of why I said I'm useless - this is a ~soft claim~

@MoI - I never said I thought AV was town, I said I don't understand the reason he's being voted. Quite a few of people voting him didn't even really say why they were voting him, and I'm just too much of a gosh-darn slow moron to figure it out myself. You're coming close to misrepresenting me.

1) This is really, really noncommittal. It's like you want to accuse someone of misrepping you but you do it in such a passive way that it's clear you care far more about your image than finding scum.
2) See #1. Except the "gosh darn slow" bit. You're blaming yourself so that no-one gets mad at you.
3) A non-nuke claim is not going to save you.

Very very image-conscious gorilla. Very likely the SK.

AV needs to be lynched though. Where are you mina?

[HezLucky]

More obviously. Hez needs a nuke.

I would like an explanation for this.

[HezLucky]

Wow I am going to be so happy when the NUKES START FLYING ALL OVER THE PLACE.

Who else is excited?

I hope to god you aren't all idiots and create a town holocaust though.

[HezLucky]

IS THIS SHOUTING LOUD ENOUGH, EVERYONE??? HEZLUCKY IS SCUM, SCUM, SCUM!

Can you please link me to a game where you've been right about anything?

I'm completely serious.

[HezLucky]

Two things worth bringing up:

1. AurorusVox is _realllllllllllllly_ preservationist. Seems like he's voting for anyone that has even a semblance of pressure on
them. If supertown Mina had two votes on her for some odd reason later today, AV would probably vote for her too!

2. This:

I did a quick run-through of HezLucky's iso to look at his behavior between the HezLucky wagon, AurorusVox wagon, and RedCoyote wagon, but apparently I was seeing phantoms in the vote count because the difference wasn't as big as I thought it was. I'll have a better idea once I get around to updating the votals spreadsheet, but what I'm seeing from AlmasterGM's vote counts is a relatively small and static HezLucky wagon; the number never went higher than 4 votes according to the published vote counts, which means changes in HezLucky's levels of defensiveness aren't related to the pressure on him, which was what I was going for. HezLucky did a full reread of the game when the pressure was slipping (or slipped already) off him, which is plus points for him; I didn't actually read and cross-reference his commentary, though, so I'm deferring comments on the content of that to later. HezLucky was also fairly early on the AurorusVox wagon and didn't let up. HezLucky didn't have a read of RedCoyote according to his list of reads following the catch-up post, which is interesting and something I'll look into later, but right now I don't hold that against him.

tl;dr - I'm not interested in pursuing HezLucky at the moment, but I do need to read his big post to get a firm read. I'm interested in hearing from Vi, too.

First, it really seems like there are many better ways to spend your time than on someone who is very unlikely to be lynched today, such as myself. This reads as a scum trying to look useful. Lots of fencesitting
("HezLucky is not the target for today but maybe I'll pursue him tomorrow"), and a lot of uncertainty for an "analysis" that is that long (Hez didn't have a read of RedCoyote -- which is obvious, because RC had flipped midway through my read so I did not bother)
"but I won't hold it against him" -- aka. "I'm not sure whether or not this is going to go over well with the rest of the players in the game, so I'm going to refrain from attacking him ... also, the case with Hez/RC is weak and I don't feel like getting
called out on that today. I want to look useful not scum."

Basically, I question the motivation behind doing a reread specifically on someone who is at no risk of getting lynched today but who was under pressure yesterday. It seems like Swift Justice has been skimming the thread, thinking "oh that hez guy had some
pressure on him yesterday, let me do an analysis of him to make myself look useful" and not realizing that I am under virtually zero pressure today and thus an analysis of me would be quite useless.

SJ also reads like he/she's scared to say anything definitively bad about me, but is leaving just enough space to be able to wagon me later if the opportunity arises (and it won't - but skimscumSJ doesn't know that)

[HezLucky]

Still want to know why Ludi wants me nuked.

Seems like he disappeared the moment he was questioned on it.

[HezLucky]

So you want us to nuke 9 people in this game?

You need to die. A good portion of that list isn't even remotely scummy. (Gamma in your first category? -_-)

Yes, there's probably scum on that list (unless you are really bad and/or scum that has put 9 townies there), soz.

[HezLucky]

Ludi, do you still think I need a nuke to the face? You never answered my question from previous day.

- I think ooba might have died because several of us limited our roles down to the fact that we have nukes. Of course, this isn't
confirmed till DEFCON 1 (aka. RIGHT NOW!!!!!!!!!) but it certainly limited down the potential number of roles.

Going to do my own nightkill WIFOM on Katsuki right now by ISOing him and figuring out why scum would want him dead:

...and as I am ISOing I notice his early posts are completely useless to the town. Thanks Katsuki for your playstyle.

Katsuki early on (#14, #15) liked to disagree with Gammagooey. Maybe gamma felt threatened? Then again, posts like #16 suggest
Katsuki liked to disagree with everyone.

He also probably looked really townie to the scum with posts like #21. Adding substantive content to the game.

Katsuki's reads:

Regfan: town (#34)
Swift Justice: unsure (#34)

and ... hell thats it. Pretty much. Wow, Katsuki gave us nothing to go on. Once again, thanks.

Who knows why he was killed? He looked town. I'm not so sure it has anything to do with who he suspected.



I'd like Magua to explain his inhim read, as I have a contradictory read on him from when I did my big catchup post.

[HezLucky]

Also, I'm tacking on a vote. See my iso #45 / post #1099 for why.

Vote: Swift Justice

[HezLucky]

dana is also still town, he read of hez reads as very legitimate

Sadly I agree with this (the dana thing) but for some reason I have you looking worse now. Still town-leaning, though. Can you explain IS?

[HezLucky]

Ludi: I don't have a townread on Ludi _or_ Toasty. Though Mina is superobvtown.

So no I am not happy with such a situation.


MoI: YAY THE FIRST NUKE. and I'm happy with where it's going.

The scum hitting Katsuki tells me that they feel very, very comfortable in their position Dayplay wise. At the end at least one of the ‘Confirmed Town’ walking around is EuroScum. Bank on it.

Excellent analysis from MoI. I agree with it. I'm tempted to nuke Ludi if he mentions being confirmed town one more time.


#1209: yay teh second nuke! Holy crap. Awesome. Let's see who catches us some scum.


Magua #1212: Ah I understand. The "Nixon" bit through me off. I'll keep Inhim in my town registers then for a while.

Also, thank you for telling Ludi to "cut the crap" and stop including himself in that townlist.

[HezLucky]

Okay does SocioPath usually make posts that only immature people would find hilarious?

I'm talking about #1244

Blowing your load on D1

.... when I let it all hang out

SocioPath actually raises a VERY good point on MoI, however. I am very averse to anyone who does something that seems "predetermined"
as that is how mafia play the game.

(This game is different, however, in that we have not had nukes until just this very minute so a loto f things seem "predetermined")

Frankly, if Socio flips scum MoI will look really good here.

No no no. You don't have the bad end of it. I got a nuke flung at me over Hez because DANA CAN'T LYNCH ME. Want to guess why? Because I'm AMERICAN. The case on me is that I'm not scumhunting in any logical way. No examples, no vote, just a one-liner among an ISO.

So you're saying Dana can lynch me because I'm European?



Swift Justice, what's your opinion on danakillsu?

[HezLucky]

I also think that if dana is strolling back waiting for stuff to happen and that if he doesn't push his case on me today harder he needs to be today's lynch for being coasting scum.

[HezLucky]

People who should be nuked/lynched: Sociopath, 'vengofwi, HezLucky

It's too bad I'm obvtown.

What, exactly, has your contribution to the game been?

[HezLucky]

I got a nuke flung at me over Hez because DANA CAN'T LYNCH ME. Want to guess why? Because I'm AMERICAN.

Yeah...cause it makes sense that SCUM (who have people trying to prevent their lynch simply because of alignment) get lynched more easily than TOWN (who have people trying to push their lynch simply because of alignment). [/sarcasm]
I really don't know why I'm doing this, but

abort launch

. I'm going to let a town loss be on someone else's head. And since no one will listen to me on this front either,

Nuke: HezLucky

. (I'm allowed to do that, right?)
I'm not recalling this nuke unless you guys agree to lynch him instead.

I don't understand how you're allowed to breathe


Ludi, on the other hand, is just scum - flipflopping (is dana scum or is dana town? he seems to change his stance every couple of posts based on what suits him) and inconsistencies galore (apparently he's allowed to state he's obvtown and then votes me for doing the same =D even though I'm pretty sure I've had more people declare me town this game than he has)

Unvote, Vote: MagisterLudi

[HezLucky]

Pretty sure I've read Swift Justice's first post on Page 62 right. It reads nearly word for word for one of his earlier posts. He is merely tryign to look useful and is scum that needs to die.

[HezLucky]

Ludi's basically asking me here to nuke him. o_O

[HezLucky]

Gamma has been all over Hez and IS. He voted Regfan once. That is no grounds for being uncomfortable with a Regfan nuke.

Hez, explain why you changed your posting style.

My posting style varies with how I'm feeling. I was angry as shit before due to this policy bullshit, and everything I did reflected that.

Once that kinda calmed down then I did as well.

[HezLucky]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnwfTHpn ... re=related

I can't wait till you die for cluttering the thread with this crap.

[HezLucky]

hey hez what was your thoughts on gamma at the start of this day, do you remember?

Undoubtedly town.

Now I don't know. And frankly, I don't need to know because I'm about to find out.

[HezLucky]

well he's claimed scum in thread, so don't worry too much there champ.

I'll believe it when I see it.

Now I don't know. And frankly, I don't need to know because I'm about to find out.

So I have you in iso here, and I just passed the part where you accused me of skimming.

Cute. I skimmed gamma's garbage. You skimmed and tried to pass it off as scumhunting. This is why you're dying.

[HezLucky]

holy crap dana that was fast way to active lurk.

[HezLucky]

also, can you even NAME the other people in this game?

You put everyone else under "null" because you're afraid to have a proper opinion of them. Two seconds thinking about a regfan or an MoI might get you a read but noooo you'd be bound by that wouldn't ya?

[HezLucky]

(Equinox)

Quite cheeky there, HezLucky.

Gammagooey has already confessed to being scum.

There is no way you could have missed this, even if you were just flipping through Gammagooey's YouTube spam like a robot reads dissertations; gorilla posted party-related spam earlier, and not even the most inattentive player would have missed the link between that and Gammagooey's spam.

Explains why I just reread the last chunk of his ISO and the best I can come up with is gamma being cheeky as fuck.

I suspect the only reason you think I'm not scum hunting is because I called you scum yesterday. Cute, man. We're also confirmed town, so try again, and make sure your reads don't suck lest someone else accuse you of making fake reads.

How are you confirmed town? If you were confirmed town, a nuke would have been recalled on you or you would have been either dead or modkilled. (or does this hinge on gamma being scum?)

[HezLucky]

hezlucky you jackass go sit in the corner and stop asking my hydra partner dumb fucking questions. we're trying to scumhunt, you keep doing whatever it is you doing (sure has been effective thus far, nice call on gamma, he sure does look real town, btw) and we'll continue finding scum. thanks.

As long as Magua is alive doing the opposite of what I say my reads are actually super effective!

[HezLucky]

(Equinox)

danakillsu, in the 10+ pages you missed, Gammagooey-scum rules out Hinduragi-scum, and Gammagooey has already confessed. Just so you know.

Has Ludi confessed to being scum?

[HezLucky]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gy8HPSIFXEM

Please commit suicide.

In Greece you could retire at age 53! (with big pensions!) Those Euro's don't know the value of hard work

I haven't been slogging through the last 10 pages seriously, because they're mostly all 'party' spam. Hez still needs death.

I'll be back after nukes tomorrow to sort all this crap out.

I have every intention of nuking you. Please give me one reason I should not.

[HezLucky]

In Greece you could retire at age 53! (with big pensions!) Those Euro's don't know the value of hard work

I haven't been slogging through the last 10 pages seriously, because they're mostly all 'party' spam. Hez still needs death.

I'll be back after nukes tomorrow to sort all this crap out.

Hmm... maybe it's that I don't like Ludi's attitude. He walks around here calling himself confirmed town when he's far from it, acts all cocky ("does anyone not think I'm town?")("I'll be back after nukes tomorrow to sort all this crap out." aka. "I'm a cocky bastard who thinks he isn't going to get touched today well YOU ARE WRONG") and wants me dead.

Magua, what do you think? You are all-knowing on my reads. (Is this one wrong too? Like all the others?)

[HezLucky]

Suicide is bad, mmkay?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pgum6OT_VH8

I'm still trying to figure out how your posts don't contradict "Rule #6: Spamming is not allowed and will result in a modkill."

[HezLucky]

inhim's list is just terrible.

+1 scum

[HezLucky]

Sacrificed So Freedom May Ring

HezLucky
inHimshallibe
Magister Ludi
MagnaofIllusion
Regfan
Screaming Death Clan

You think I'm scum with gamma?

Or Revenge of Wei? who has been calling me town since early early game?

Think for a second. In the stressful times where you are being nuked, think.

[HezLucky]

@HezLucky:

What makes you think I haven't thought? What, of all my play, gives you the impression that I do things without thinking?

What, about my play or the play of the flipped scum, even remotely suggests that I am in that scumgroup?

(aka. the only scumgroup. my mind is boggled as to why i'm not confirmed innocent right now.)

[HezLucky]

Why do you think you would be a confirmed innocent?

You're not answering the question. Go look at my interactions with gamma and Wei and get back to me.

[HezLucky]

Why do you think you would be a confirmed innocent?

You're not answering the question. Go look at my interactions with gamma and Wei and get back to me.

i don't have a lot of time before i die, can you post the intereactions that make you unlikely buddies with either? (i guess i'm asking you to make a small case on why you're town if you can)

Fine.

Gamma:

Read his ISO. He has wanted me dead *THE ENTIRE GAME*. You may think "but Hez, that means Gamma is bussing you. And when scum bus, they do
it hard so that they look good"

To which I give you Gamma post #922:

You know what. Hez can live today. His post wasn't the BEST THING EVER but it IS way better than I expected to come from scum- the regfan stuff, stating that he still doesn't have a read on Magua, and MoI hestiation reads as town.

A scum that is hard bussing would CONTINUE TO VOTE FOR ME in this situation. This is gamma trying to look town and look reasonable against a townie, not as scum trying to look awesome by destroying a scumpartner.

What do you think Gamma would have done here? He's been on me like nothing else THE WHOLE GAME and he slips off me? Given that I was a lynch target at that time, that would look REALLY REALLY BAD FOR HIM.

Revenge of Wei:

He has thought I am town the entire game. Here's Revenge of Wei's #1019:

HezLucky is still Town and has been for a while. I think Toasty is Town too.

Gammgooey lost an armful of Town credit for talking out of both sides of his mouth re: the AurorusVox lynch. You've acknowledged at length that there's no reason not to vote him and your preferred lynch is a long shot; why are you avoiding the wagon?

This is when Gamma is starting to look not-completely-100% town. Wei is trying to show suspicion as a form of distancing. But he keeps me as
town because he knows that will look better when I flip town. Scum want to look good and gain credibility as the game goes on so they can
drive a late lynch.

HezLucky, LLD, Moai, and Zhero all need to stand next to a big red X too.

This was early. Like gamma, why change your read on a scumbuddy? Consistency is golden.

Town: Katsuki, Magister Ludi, HezLucky, Gammagooey

This was in addition to his "Maybe Town", "Maybe Scum", "Scum".

Gamma is confirmed and Ludi is scummy as fuck.


With all this, it could esem like Wei is trying to defend a scumbuddy. Or maybe he is trying to defend a town under pressure so he gets
brownie points for it later.

Here's a post he made as well:

Gamma read the other half of my ISO in Open 302.

If you STILL think I'm scum you're just pathetic.

Townpost.

I really can't explain where my thoughts of how scum would play the game are coming from because then I would get modkilled, but I'm very
easily bussed. I will leave it at that. The only time I've ever been lynched in the past 4 years has been as scum.



tl;dr - Gamma/Wei are focusing on looking good. Gamma didn't keep pressure on me after my catchup post, which he should have if I were scum
given how hard he was attacking me earlier. Wei has been calling me town the entire day, despite starting me off in the scumpile - all in
an attempt to get towncred.



EBWOP: Magua. What part of the Regfan/Vi interaction are you asking me to look at? I ask becaues BOTH of these players have me as town, and they are one of the few that are defending me hard.

[HezLucky]

JESUS FUCKING CHRIST Vi'S NOT A MORON, WHEN I MAKE LISTS AS SCUM I INTENTIONALLY FUCKING PUT IT SO RETARDS GOING 'TEEHEE 1 of 3' LOOK STUPID.

MINA'S FUCKING TOWN. STICK YOUR FINGER WHEREVER YOU WANT, SCUM CAN MANIPULATE INTERACTIONS.

any reason you ignored gamma's giant list of reads in your analysis?

I think LLD/regfan are scums still but w/e. bbl i haves time, I think.

A lot of what Ludi said in his last post made a lot of sense. You may be right, but we'll need a few flips to determine that.

[HezLucky]

Magister Ludi, this is the time for claimings.

Hez, do you have a nuke? y/n

I'm a little hesitant to answer this because I don't understand the rolefishing. If I have a nuke, it will be incredibly obvious when I use said nuke. If my not answering this causes scum nightkill WIFOM then that's fine by me.

[HezLucky]

If you have a nuke, you will be expected to use said nuke. Before the end of the Day.

I'm not nuking for the sake of nuking. Sorry. What do you want me to do? Nuke dana for being a moron? No thanks.

[HezLucky]

No nuke. Sowwies.

[HezLucky]

I am announcing my intent to nuke one of you two if I have a nuke.

I want Toasty to agree to the same, if he is the one with the nuke.

Do you have any reason why the two of us should hypothetically withhold?

Nope. No reasons whatsoever. Just promise me you'll actually read the game before you send your nuke my way.

Ludi is a good lynch today. We should be in a good position to win the game.

[HezLucky]

Gonna give my reads here.

danakillsu - Leaning scum. Could be completely useless and idiotic town. Glad he's out but I doubt he'll be replaced given night will
coincide with him not being here.
gorilla - Leaning town. Could definitely be scum but I would like to see others go before.
HezLucky - can't read this guy.
Hinduragi - Likely town. Don't think he's scum. He won DEFCON1 because he nuked scum early.
inHimshallibe - Possible scum. Don't want him living too long but he's not worth getting rid of yet.
Internet Stranger Zhero - Possible town. Or very good scum. SOMEONE from the scum must have nuked a buddy to look really good. Could be IS.
I don't want him alive as the last person but many many more people are scummier.
Lady Lambdadelta - Quite possible scum, esp based on Hinduragi above. Needs to die tomorrow. Would be amenable to having LLD nuke me tmrw.
Magister Ludi - needs to be lynched today. Solid chance of popping up scum. But if he pops up town his reads are very interesting.
Magua - dying. Want to see his flip. I think town but not sure.
Mina - Was originally super-confirmed town but not anymore. If we go deep into this game watch out for her I don't trust her anymore.
PookyTheMagicalBear - See IS. If Pooky nukes one more scum I'm putting him as the sole survivor though.
Regfan - Scum. Though flip, please.
Screaming Death Clan (Fate & xRECKONERx hydra) - Could be scum. Unsure. I think flips would shed some light. Don't want him alive at the end.
ToastyToast - I'm more suspicious of him than most. Can live for now.
Toogeloo - Likely town. But we'll see.


EBWOP: Essentially yes. If you're asking what I think you're asking, I would be very unsatisfied with being nuked today.

[HezLucky]

Hez, do you have town reads on both me and Toasty?

There's no one in this game I completely trust anymore. Originally it was you, and you blew it with your massive lurking and coasting.

But it's obvious why you're asking the question, and I have three letters for you: LLD.

[HezLucky]

AHAHAHA

HAHAHAHAHAHA

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

HezLucky. HezLucky.

I actually wasn't serious at all about nuking you. I only asked you that question because I wanted to see how you'd react.

Because by pure process of elimination, HezLucky is the Fail Safe. And decided not to claim Fail Safe even when both me and Toasty threatened him with a nuke.

You are busted.

You're a moron.

I think everyone and their mother already knew that information.

Read the game. And stop being so fucking dense.

[HezLucky]

Oh my God.

I'm trying to answer your questions (can you wait five minutes? I'm going to answer them, but I wanted to point out the slip first) or defend myself from Ludi's horrific "one scum is always 100% on every list" confirmation bias case, but I'm getting too angry with you all.

I don't care if you're all pissy that people think I'm town, Internet Stranger, and want to give them the finger by making a moronic nuke. It should be pretty obvious by now that I'm town. And yes, I was completely useless during the week and a half when I was V/LA at Goofbash and not posting in

any

of my games, but that's a complete null tell. Now I'm back.

Also, I don't want inHim in the final three.

I JUST CAUGHT HEZLUCKY TRYING TO SET OFF HIS FAILSAFE AND GET ONE OF ME/TOASTY KILLED.

HAS NO ONE NOTICED IT?

Ludi, it should have been obvious that my intent from the very beginning was to see how Hez would react. (And I could have easily nuked dana/LLD/SDC were I afraid of a potential Fail Safe.) Why do you think I said I was nuking

one of you and HezLucky

, and asked Toasty to confirm this?

All right. Let me explain what I was trying to pull off since yesterday.

I realized that there were three unclaimed roles left in the game (obviously, I'm a silo):
Fighters, Fallout Shelter, and Fail Safe. FTR, Fighter was on my list, and Fallout Shelter on Hinduragi's and LLD's, so I knew at least two of those roles were in the game.

But Ludi and HezLucky were on the death list, and we were widely discussing nuking them. Why didn't they claim their roles if they were in danger of death?

So I knew that whichever of ML and Hez had Fail Safe/Fallout Shelter was probably scum. (If Toasty had, say, Fail Safe, it made sense for him as town not to claim it, because he was unlikely to be nuked except by scum in retaliation. But why not Ludi or Hez?)

I decided to put them on the spot by saying that me and Toasty were 100% going to nuke them, so they should reveal if they had any useful information. I put Toasty in because Ludi claimed to have a scum read on me.

See, if Hez were a town Fail Safe, he probably would have gone, "Oh, by the way, if you nuke me, you kind of instantly die, so be careful." But since he wasn't making it to endgame anyway, I think he was hoping to take out one of me/Toasty.

p-edit: see, I'm waiting for LLD to show her work for the code thing before I decide to nuke her.

except for the fact that I've already suggested that LLD (or someone scummy / someone I find scummy) nuke me tomorrow.

You're coasting scum getting by on reputation. I'm going to be happy when a true American hero like IS sends your ass straight to hell.

Thanks for letting me play the game you pompous #%#%#%. Happy Canada Day

[HezLucky]

I wish I were a silo. I would've nuked Ludi a long time ago. (that's not necessarily who I'd nuke now -- but he would've been the first to reach my nuke threshold)

Unfortunately stupid idiots like SpyreX adn scum like gamma were baiting and threatening to have me policy lynched. This filled me with unthinkable rage (if it wasn't against site rules to hold a grudge against SpyreX oh I would hold one) and at that point I could've cared fuckin less what happened since it was clear some idiots weren't going to let me play the game, and the best I could hope for is take one of these assholes down with me.

Here was my whole list.

1. Fail Safe

yes. That's how much rage I had. I didn't even think of taking anything else.

Wish I had a silo. But what are you going to do? I get really angry when people try to take away my ability to play and enjoy a game.

[HezLucky]

The fuck are yuou clowns doing?

Have LLD suicide onto Hez tomorrow

If she doesn't, nuke her.

1+1=HURRRRRRRR

Thank you for having some common sense.

[HezLucky]

even though I PERSONALLY think you would keep your mouth shut about our failsafe just to TROLLOLOL let someone DIE with you as town.

You're incredibly good. How do you manage to keep your emotions separate from the game? I can't do it anymore, and it's killing any fun I have playing.

[HezLucky]

Listen and learn my lucky friend, its just a game Hez.

Look at me? I've been betrayed by my mentor, insulted by star-crossed lover, flaked on by my best friend, Confirmed town telling me I need to die "for the greater good", and all sorts of fun shit going on in my life, but what am I doing?

I got my party hat on. I'm trolling the town as I do so they all feel DERP when I flip, but it isn't anti-town because all this "WIFOM" I'm spewing will be immediately dismissed when I flip American, but the REACTIONS to my play will be cemented and used forever.

And I'm having the time of my life, its all one can do.

Thank you. This was helpful.



I hope noone takes Hinduragi's list for gospel. I don't think it's very good. (Ironically, I actually trust HIM more than most of the top half of his list)

[HezLucky]

I hope noone takes Hinduragi's list for gospel.

I just want you to know a lot of your reads are most likely being manipulated by scum. I mean, I hate to tell you and make you feel bad but I really want to say you're town and the top 3 on that list shouldn't be a gospel, they should be a fuckin' religion.

Sadly, you're probably correct.

[HezLucky]

After further ISO on Vi specifically,

Vi's first list (for reference)

Town: Katsuki, Magister Ludi, HezLucky, Gammagooey
Maybe Town: SpyreX, inHimshallibe, ooba, Magua
Land of Nulldom: ToastyToast, Toogeloo, AurorusVox, Swift Justice, danakillsu
Maybe Scum: Hinduragi, Regfan, MagnaofIllusion, Mina, RedCoyote
Scum: Lady Lambdadelta, Screaming Death Clan, Internet Stranger
In Limbo: PookyTheMagicalBear, SocioPath

-SDC doesn't need a nuke. Interactions between Vi and SDC do not read scum/scum.
-IS could potentially have been an early bus. Vi put very little pressure towards actually trying to rid the game of IS/Zhero, and when the Coyote Wagon started, jumped over easily.

Current Player List:

danakillsu (nuke)
gorilla (eavedrop)
HezLucky (fail safe)
Hinduragi (battleship)
inHimshallibe (nuke)
Internet Stranger Zhero (nuke)
Lady Lambdadelta (nuke)
Magister Ludi (fallout shelter)
Magua (radar)
Mina (nuke)
PookyTheMagicalBear (nuke)
Regfan (nuke)
Screaming Death Clan (Fate & xRECKONERx hydra) (airbase)
ToastyToast (Fighter)
Toogeloo (CI)

Assuming all current Nukes go through, Ludi is lynched, and Hindu dies tonight:

danakillsu (nuke)
gorilla (eavedrop)
HezLucky (fail safe)
inHimshallibe (nuke)
Internet Stranger Zhero (nuke)
Lady Lambdadelta (nuke)
Mina (nuke)
PookyTheMagicalBear (nuke)
Screaming Death Clan (Fate & xRECKONERx hydra) (airbase)
ToastyToast (Fighter)
Toogeloo (CI)

Is anyone opposed to a Gorilla, SDC, and one of Pooky or Mina Final 3 (before lynching)?

Based on this list, nukes can be controlled, and anyone who nukes one of my proposed final 3 may as well claim scum in my opinion. Final 3, if the game is still going, would probably lynch Mina/Pooky as being the least likely to be town of the three imo, as my reads on Gorilla and SDC are pretty much concreted town at this point. I do not want a nuke in the final 3, just in case it's a scum nuke, and they can instant win, but I felt of the nukes remaining, Pooky and Mina are the least likely to be scum.

We still have one nuke in Mina today, but not sure if we really need to use it or not since the only people I would advocate a nuking on atm are all nukes themselves, and we may want more nukes tomorrow to shape the final town.

People have come and gone with final three lists. What makes you think yours is better than anyone else's?

[HezLucky]

IS needs to be in any final three. Given that Mina STILL HAS A NUKE and IS is not at all afraid of a pre-nuke retal he'd have to be really stupid to be Euro at this point.

[HezLucky]

[quote="Toogeloo"]Pooky, I sense your American Faith has been shaken... I want to hear you say you will Nuke Hez tomorrow.
[/quote

No Toog. I want someone scummy to nuke me. In fact, I damn near insist on it.

Pooky, I don't want you nuking me.

Toog, you are either spouting completely crap logic, or you are scum that has slipped.

[HezLucky]

what's she confirmed town from?

People reading her as confirmed town.

In other words, she`s `confirmed` town.

[HezLucky]

I feel like teh following needs to be done in this game at the moment:


HEZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZWAVRE

[HezLucky]

Mina still needs to answe the questions directed at her.

And Hind, why don't you just protect Hezwavre, and then everyone with a nuke nukes Hez tomorrow, killing them all except Hez! Presto, game is won/almost won.

~~~

I'll read back and try and again prove these reads on Mina and dana to you louts.

(Why is no one else doing the same. There's a wealth of information in DEFCON 3 and 2.)

You know I still DIE from these nukes right?

[HezLucky]

Dana is a great nuke if you have no idea what to do.

[HezLucky]

1) I will explain YET AGAIN for Pooky what I was trying to do with Hez.

In all honesty, when I made the ultimatum toward Hez/ML, I didn't even want to nuke them that badly. But I'd worked out by PoE that at least one of them was Fallout Shelter/Fail Safe...and it was very suspicious that neither of them had claimed. (And again, obviously, I knew that Hez might be the Fail Safe beforehand. If my only concern was not nuking the Fail Safe, I could have easily just nuked a claimed silo instead.)

So I decided to try and trap them.

What I thought is that if they were town, they would claim under threat of nuke. Because they wouldn't want to accidentally kill someone they thought was town (or waste a nuke that could be used to narrow the suspect pool, if they were Fail Safe).

Meanwhile, scum, knowing they were a goner anyway, would have an incentive to keep their mouth shut. Remember, they were on the death list, and they were guaranteed not to survive until endgame.

So I deliberately framed my question in such a way as to make them think one of me and Toasty was about to waste a nuke on them. Why? Because I wanted to see if, when faced with inevitable death (knowing they had no chance of weaseling out of a nuke), they'd claim or try to take me down with them.

What happened? Hez said, "Go ahead and nuke me."

Unfortunately, it's not 100% conclusive, because Hez magically pulled a scum read out of his ass on me, and then added, "Oh, yeah, I know what you're saying, nudge-nudge, wink-wink, don't nuke me." But this was AFTER I already hinted at knowing he was the Fail Safe. Hey, Hez, why didn't you claim before my hint (in which I asked you pointblank for a reason I shouldn't nuke you)?

And...um...are you fucking kidding me about the whole "Town would instantly suicide the moment he thought he caught scum?" That's a terrible move, and I don't believe for a second you'd have done it if you were suspicious of Hez. I'm not going to nuke a Fail Safe when we can just lynch him or have someone scummy nuke him. It's not like I need to remove myself from the suspect pool.

Honestly, I'm no longer 100% sure that Hez is scum. His flip-flop from finding me super-obvtown for rather superficial tells to "She's scum because she suspects me!" looks really bad, and his list of reads is terrible. But his rage looks genuine, and kind of in character for someone who'd choose Fail Safe just to screw over people who suspect him.

If you think it through, Pooky, my plan actually makes zero sense whatsoever for scum to do. Actually, I've done at least three or four things this game that make zero sense whatsoever for scum to do, but that's another story.

Play to players. Not to tells. Playing to tells is how you lose the game. The moment you <deliberately> asked your question in such a way that I no longer believed you were reading the game and completely coasting (it will be QUITE OBVIOUS when you finish your reread that about 6-7 people had pegged me as failsafe in the thread), my town read on your disappeared.
I've declared people obvtown and seen them disappear after that declaration, only to pop up scum later (Occult in Me=Weird's Mafia/Werewolf hybrid comes to mind). I'm no longer hesitant about changing an obvtown read to a scum one anymore.

You can call my reads terrible all you want, but you're going to have to convince me of that, because of IS/Pooky get their way I might just outlast you in this game.

[HezLucky]

Two scum left.

So excited.

Let's win.

MINA YOU BETTER NUKE SCUM.

[HezLucky]

yeah mina come on you dont need two weeks to nuke someone

[HezLucky]

Two to go.

Mina hurry the f up. You've had like two weeks to think about this. The only reason you could possibly be taking so long is becaues you're trying to figure out which nuke makes you look the least bad.

[HezLucky]

SINCE WHEN DO SCUMBAGS SHOW RESPECT?

SHUT YOUR WHORE MOUTH

IF YOU HAD A NUKE INSTEAD OF A COWARD SHELTER MAYBE YOU COULD SO SOMETHING ABOUT KT

:EYES WIDE OPEN:

Wow that's .... blunt. O_O

[HezLucky]

Unvote; Vote: ML

Trying to direct Mina's nuke is pretty god damn scumtastic.

So hey, are you like, uh... scum?

[HezLucky]

@ML: Well, based on your logic, if she's town she should nuke one of the two of us (it would give the most information). However, I'd be ok with a Fate, Hez, or dana nook as well. As such, I think we should lynch/nook within Fate, Hez, dana, and ML and go from there.

Bottom line is that she needs to make her own decision and take responsibility for it.

My final 3: Toog, gorilla, pooky

EXPLAIN YOUR DECISION TO NUKE ME.

[HezLucky]

Unvote; Vote: ML

Trying to direct Mina's nuke is pretty god damn scumtastic.

So hey, are you like, uh... scum?

No. Are you?

Further, Mina is pretty god damn town (I STILL don't get why you think she's scum).

Her nuke shouldn't be dictated by anyone, just like a vig shot shouldn't be dictated by anyone. It's anti-town.

Hypothetical Question: If you are scum, who's your buddy?

[HezLucky]

Anyway Mina can do whatever she damn well pleases with her nuke at this point because unless it hits scum the all glorious American INTERNET STRANGER will take care of her.

[HezLucky]

@Hez: Your not obvtown. You were also a possible counter-lynch both D1 and D2. Get over it. Oh, and you have done nothing I've considered useful. Sooo yeah, you definitely don't deserve to be in any final 3

Explain why there are several people who DO consider me obvtown then.

[HezLucky]

@Hez: Your not obvtown. You were also a possible counter-lynch both D1 and D2. Get over it. Oh, and you have done nothing I've considered useful. Sooo yeah, you definitely don't deserve to be in any final 3

Explain why there are several people who DO consider me obvtown then.

And while you're at it, be careful because I'm not just vengeful in my role.

http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 4#p3193894

[HezLucky]

And while you're at it, be careful because I'm not just vengeful in my role.

Is that a threat? Why the hell should I give a shit if people vote me because I think your scum? That's no reason to back off of a read. And I would nuke you for this right now if I could, even if that meant my own death.

You have no idea how SCARED I AM.

Given that I have the fuckign FAIL SAFE.

Bring it. It's your funeral. I don't think you're town.

[HezLucky]

Mina, don't waste your nuke on me today.

I'm nuking HezLucky tomorrow and removing the problem.

Nuke something of more value today. I'm a dead woman walking.

YAYYYYYYYYYYYYYY WE'RE BOTH DEAD.

But what's dana gonna do now that he can't nuke me?

Hey Mina. there's a thought.

[HezLucky]

Mina, don't waste your nuke on me today.

I'm nuking HezLucky tomorrow and removing the problem.

Nuke something of more value today. I'm a dead woman walking.

YAYYYYYYYYYYYYYY WE'RE BOTH DEAD.

But what's dana gonna do now that he can't nuke me?

Hey Mina. there's a thought.

LLD really doesn't like me. </3>

[HezLucky]

N-nnnn

It's not that I don't like you Hez~!

You're just the fail safe, which means you need to die at somepoint anyway.

And I'm a suspect.

So I'm proud to be a good "American Woman" and sacrifice myself for the greater good.

Aww I feel better now ty

[HezLucky]

I want to know what inHim's done that was scummy, though. Maybe I'm not seeing it?

I asked you how you got your town read on him, because I trust your reads to an extent. InHim never stood out to me as obvtown, but you mentioned him as such, so Iwas hoping you could share your basis for it, since I missed it.

yeah I don't really trust inhim either.

[HezLucky]

tho apparently gamma made some post that confirmed inhim town earlier

:shrug:

[HezLucky]

Meaningless hypothetical given that you do not have a nuke.

[HezLucky]

Am I confirmed town yet, Toasty?


Guys, who should I nuke if the mafia come for me? Fail safe has more than one benefit =D

[HezLucky]

Unvote, Vote: dana

Ludi isn't going to survive. But I'm pretty sure dana isn't reading teh game and plans on nuking me tomorrow. (Not that that matters if he's scum, but if town it just hurts us)

[HezLucky]

LOL, IS hit the jackpot but forgot about it.

If Fate flips scum, I want a fucking statue.

:bows down:

[HezLucky]

The people who are nuked should be: HezLucky (by LLD suicide)

How fucking dense are you? LLD is scum. You think she'd keep a promise about nuking and suiciding herself given the freedom of a nuke? REALLY?

With two scum alive why would LLD try to failsafe on me if I were her last hope of winning?

[HezLucky]

Hey Toasty, have you not been reading? LLD is self-claimed scum and will be nuked soon, how exactly is she going to nuke Hez then?

She'd die anyways and I think Hez is scum. So I don't give a shit.

It's quite obvious you have't read the last 5-10 pages or so. You need to do so like, really badly.

[HezLucky]

If youre going to be nuked tomorrow, what difference does it make if youre lynched today?

It doesn't.

well, other than the fact that I get lynched enough, but I've never been nuked b4 and would like the experience.

If I could vote for you twice, I would.

This.

Because I know that if I were to be nuked I would be enraged beyond all belief.

[HezLucky]

And if I was nuked I woudn't be enraged beyond belief. Why? because my death does not mean a loss for my side, and I'm confident that town will win.

Really, the only thing I get enraged about is when people vote me because "they don't like the way I said something" or "Well, if I were him..." or "his reasons for voting are bad." Especially because its those kind of statements that create an atmosphere where I cannot win an argument (if i'm not treated on the same level as another player, how can I expect to win in an argument?) Guess it'll just take time for people to realize that I'm not an idiot, and actually hunt pretty well.

And for those of you who say you would vote me twice. Too bad, mafia's a group effort and it doesn't matter how badly you want someone lynched--your going to be wrong a good part of the time when your ego is so inflated that you don't even look at another person's angle.

I could rant on and on about how the HezLucky-IS duo has done nothing but bitch about almost being policy lynched or talk about how "they're 4/7 in catching scum in this game" and how great America is. Seriously, even the trio of terror that is the screamers of Fate, Sociopath, and Reck were less infuriating than you two.

Mkay, I'm done. It was fun being considered obvtown for once.

LOL U MAD SCUM?

[HezLucky]

1. You again call for me being nuked, despite the fact you've many times acknolwedged and recognized I can not be nuked.
2. You say dana is the best lynch out of nowhere and agree with this, but then turn around and vote me a few posts later.
3. You fail to realize that LLD is scum and going to die within days, she isn't nuking anyone tomorrow.
4. You call for yourself to be nuked.
5. Call is/pooky scumbuddies depsite there being only one scum.
6. Mina has now nuked scum, so I'm not sure how much I want that lynch any more.
7. Some long convoluted endgame scenario which makes no sense.

1. Nuked, lynched, whatever. It doesn't matter what word I use as long as it ensures that you die.
2. Can you nuke Hezlucky? No. So keeping dana alive only to make them suicide on HezLucky would get rid of two of my scum suspects (given that LLD won't be alive the next day) So lynching you--the other suspect--makes perfect sense

Reads have changed bro. I'm town as town can be at this point.

3. Yeah, I missed something. I also provided a backup plan
4. Yeah, so what? Today just proves that I wouldn't be able to win if in a situaition with 2 town and 1 scum. Why? Need I go back to the beginning of the game where Magua says that I tend to be a very easy scum target?
5. Yet another point made b4 I realized the LLD situation. Not to mention that not only has LLD not flipped (so I'm still allowed to speculate on the off-chance she actually flips town) but also I mentioned IS/Pooky as a possible scum team if and only if the other nukes failed to catch scum.
6. You don't think Mina could nuke her scumbuddy? You do realize how much town support she has, right?

You sound like scum who is pissed off that a confirmed town isn't among your ranks.

7. Oh, it makes plenty of sense. see, you take the player list, and cross out the names when I say they should me nukes. Then, you take the remaining players, cross out people who are very likely night kills, and do the process over again! Oh, and most of my reads on that list MATCH WHAT EVERYONE IS ALREADY THINKING.

yet more verification that I'm getting lynched for my ideas rather than actual scum-tells.


PEDIT: LLD DIES EVEN IF SHE NUKES HEZ. I WANT HEZ TO DIE BECAUSE HE IS A SCUM READ, NOT OBVTOWN, SHOULD HAVE BEEN LYNCHED D1, AND, QUITE FRANKLY, ANNOYS ME.

Oh boohoo. I annoy you. Cry more. You just listed 4 reasons why I should die and there are people in this game who would oppose each one.

@Fate: Thanks for the light buddying, but after that Fire Emblem failure, I get to call you annoying every once in while

@LLD: Thats referring to IS' arrogance about how great of a hunter he is for nailing 4 scum from a group of seven suspects.

People I've thought were scum: hez, cayote, AV, Regfan, gamma, 'vengeofwei, ludi
oh look! based on flips I have 3/5 reads correct thus far!

Hindsight is 20/20.

[HezLucky]

You think my rage is scum rage? If it was scum rage wouldn't it be safe to assume that I would actually care about being killed. No, I only care about the reasons and the people on my wagon

Don't "oh, boohoo" me. I imagine myself punching you in the face, not cutting myself.

RAGE RAGE RAGE

You aren't doing the

HEZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZWAVRE

[HezLucky]

You enjoy provoking people, don't you?

I enjoy yelling at people who obviously havent read the game despite pretending to have and therefore have very outdated scumreads.

I also enjoy yelling at people with egos too big to admit they are wrong, when that scumread is on me.

You're obviously doing #1 or #2. They are almost mutually exclusive, so which is it?

EBWOP: Mina won't make final three.

[HezLucky]

My final order b4 I go to the party

TOWNTOWN

Toogeloo-"I is teh counterintelligence GUSY. Also, I'm a PANDA."

PookyTheMagicalBear-"Panda's aren't AMERICAN. LLD u have HAWT accent? YOU LIKE BEARS?"

gorilla-"djfiefexdjfifahdjfjkxnnidgnxkdjfiggx"

Hinduragi-"ZOMG GUSY i'm so smart everyone above me is confirmed town"

Mina-"Faraday loves me. Faraday's from Ireland. WORSHIP ME AS I NUKE THE OTHER WOMENZ!!"

Internet Stranger Zhero-"I'm full of myself. JUST LIKE MY COUNTRY!!!"

HezLucky-"DURR I'm teh most obvtown here with my VENGE-NUKES"

inHimshallibe-"Hey GUSY I have to tell you something. I haven't done ANYTHING yet!"

danakillsu-"NOW WAY, inHim, me either! Xcept for nuking teh PARTY-STARTER"

Fate Screaming Death Clan (Fate & xRECKONERx hydra) -"I LIKE THE WORD CHEEKY. IT REMINDS ME OF BUTTCHEEKS. NOW LET ME MANIPULATE YOU SOMEMORE WITH A EUROPEAN ACCENT"

Magister Ludi-"Hey GUSY, lets have a PARTY with three people, then nuke all of them xcept for myself. Then I'll be teh only one left YAY. Oh, and DEM NUKES don't work on me!"

LLD-"WHEEE TOASTY FAILED LETS VOTE HIM"

NUKEPARTY

GOT KICKED OUT OF TEH PARTY

TT-

Thanks for this I enjoyed it good laugh.

Only wish you didn't hate me so much so you could look at me objectively, but other than that very good way to go out.

[HezLucky]

And remember kids no lynching until LLD is close to dead

[HezLucky]

I targeted toog n1 to

verify his counterintelligence claim

N2 I was suspicious of MoI, and thought he might have a scummy power. Turns out it was a nuke.

Verify a claim, in an open set-up?

Wow Toasty.

You seriously deserve this lynch.

And now that I've read the dead qt of Fire Emblem in which you express distaste for me

Unvote:
Vote: Toasty

I'm not shedding one damn tear.

Unvote, Vote: Toasty

Good catch.

The N1 justification looks made up.

[HezLucky]

I targeted toog n1 to

verify his counterintelligence claim

N2 I was suspicious of MoI, and thought he might have a scummy power. Turns out it was a nuke.

Verify a claim, in an open set-up?

Wow Toasty.

You seriously deserve this lynch.

And now that I've read the dead qt of Fire Emblem in which you express distaste for me

Unvote:
Vote: Toasty

I'm not shedding one damn tear.

Unvote, Vote: Toasty

Good catch.

The N1 justification looks made up.

Actually

Unvote

What is he suppoesd to do with his role? Not verify anyone early? Toog could've claimed CI while his mafia buddy had it and surprised us with a nuke late.

[HezLucky]

It isnt made up, its just fucking horribad.

He's town, but he needs death.

ML is town, but he needs death.

I am town, but I want death.

WHY IS THIS SHIT SO HARD TO UNDERSTAND PEOPLE?

We have one scum left why do all these towns need death?

[HezLucky]

WHEN YOU KILL THE PEOPLE WHO NEED TO DIE THE SCUM FALLS OUT OF THE MIX

SINCE NONE OF US APPARENTLY WANTS TO LYNCH REAL SCUM

Cool.

So I can just lynch randomly and as long as the lynch isn't really stupid we'll win?

[HezLucky]

Sweet

Vote: danakillsu

Get rid of the one who isn't useful as town.

[HezLucky]

IS and Pooky should know ahead of time their plan can't possibly work since I said I was breaking my inHim tradition and protecting Mina.

Aren't you a little worried that you might, um, get NUKED as a result of this?

[HezLucky]

Unvote, Vote: Ludi

Forgot he had the fallout shelter. he needs to be today's lynch

[HezLucky]

Guys I found some scumtells posting them in a sec

[HezLucky]

Might as well plop this here for now, going to be away for the rest of today and most of tommorow, moving back home.

Town [From Strongest To Weakest]

SDC. All of their posts. Fucking obvious yet annoying town.
Mina: Town. #241. #310.
Gamma. Town: #15. #99. #137. #315.
Kats. Town: #24. #104. #247.
SpyreX: Town. #240. #312.
Magua: Town. #160. #162. #175.
Magister. Town. #150. #163.
Hez. Town. #193

Scum [From Strongest To Weakest]

Zhero: Scum. #27. #127.
AV: Scum. #212.
Toasty: Scum. #272. #295. Town. #303
Socio: Need to read into.
LLD: Town. #217. Scum. #234. #249.
Toog: Scum. #96

Null

Dana: Scum #48 Town. #239.
Ooba; Scum. #179. Town. #252.
Gorilla: Need to read into - Have to check something from Vendetta.
Hind: Discussion soley relying on setup mechanics and strategy.
MoI: Lack of content.
Pooky: Need to read into later. I have a feeling I'm going to hate his playstyle though.
RedCoyote: Lack of content.
Vi: Need to read into later.
Swift Justice: Need to read into later.
inHim: Can't ever read him this early.

This list is a scumtell.

Vote: No Total War

DeathVote:HezLucky

So is this DeathVote. Town would never do this.

[HezLucky]

Well, I think we all know what's going to happen to me today.
I checked Hindu, and (surprise!) he was battleship.
I still maintain that dana, inHim, Fate, and Hez should be nuked today.
Dana can nuke Hez.

I'd rather not suicide after I get nuked. I want an epic death.

I still maintain you're a moron who isn't reading teh game properly.

If dana nukes me he better be scum.

Vote: ToastyToast

Not even going to sugarcoat it here.

[HezLucky]

Well, I think we all know what's going to happen to me today.
I checked Hindu, and (surprise!) he was battleship.
I still maintain that dana, inHim, Fate, and Hez should be nuked today.
Dana can nuke Hez.

I'd rather not suicide after I get nuked. I want an epic death.

I still maintain you're a moron who isn't reading teh game properly.

If dana nukes me he better be scum.

Vote: ToastyToast

Not even going to sugarcoat it here.

Seriously its times like this where I wish I had a nuke.

[HezLucky]

@Hez:If ur town, its not a good idea to have you in endgame
If ur scum, its an even WORSE idea to have you in endgame
Dana should nuke you because he's low on my list and will probably be nuked regardless. It could be someone else, but I'd much rather have a scum read nuke than a town read

Don't worry, I'll be dead soon. And then you'll be disappointed and be nuked too.

@Fate: IS and pooky really only made sense to me as a scum-team, and there is only one person left. Would you have preferred me to include everyone's name in my last post? Doesn't change the point at all. Your attacking my scum reads, and yet we have the same town reads. Which, by process of elimination, means we agree on who needs to be nuked

Actually fine. Have dana nuke me then. I trust certain people in this town more than I trust myself to get it right if it comes down to 3.

[HezLucky]

dana, you don't think someone else would've nuked me? Whatever, your still getting nuked today. Keeping Hez in a final 3 situation is risky. Don't let him be there.

bro you should see my role PM its really American

[HezLucky]

fate just kill yourself you cowardly european scumbag

u know you dont want to be nuclearized like the rest of your team

[HezLucky]

Nominate IS for Paragon

dammit hurry up and die so we can nominate him already

[HezLucky]

I have a straightforward solution to win us the game.

Nuke everyone but me.

[HezLucky]

You realize Hez, that we have to lynch you and Hinduragi at some point in this endeavor to ensure the safety of this nation from lylo shennaniganz, right?

You realize IS, that if you want that statue you are going to have to find us the last mafia BEFORE it comes down to that, right?

[HezLucky]

Just nuke somebody already, pooky. If you're wrong, we lynch you.

^^This

[HezLucky]

What the fuck are we waiting on?

People have nukes and no idea where to point them?

[HezLucky]

vote: Pooky

Pressure him until he nukes someone!

OMG a dana town tell.

Unvote, Vote: pooky

Nuke someone or get lynched.

[HezLucky]

vote: Pooky

Pressure him until he nukes someone!

Why Pooky? Why not me or inHim?

HOW YOU DOIN MRS LURKY MCLURKLURK

[HezLucky]

If what Mina says about Dana is right, there is no one else left. Everyone thats still alive has a damn good reason to be town (bus or not), except for inhim and Hez.

And even then, inhim has balls of steel if he thinks he can nuke Hindu and survive until the end.
Im ok with a inhim nuking now anyways and a Hez lynch then, that way we dont have to deal with the fail safe anyways.

Unvote: Dana
Vote: Hez

We're done nuking innocents IS. Your chance at a statue is slipping. If you truly think I'm scum, take your balls out of your mouth and nuke me yourself.


I was about to give reads but then I realized everyone but myself in this game needs to die, like, really badly.

[HezLucky]

Nothing has changed Mina. If Hindu is the scum, he could really fuck us over because everyone trusts him so much and he could pull some nasty shenanigans with his ability. Nuking Hindu is a contingency plan. But just because I believe as such, doesnt mean the rest of you do.

If Hindu flips scum, im fucking awesome. If he flips town, I know one of you will take revenge on him, even if it was the scum looking for goodwill.

My point now remains that the only ones that havent taken a direct action against scum (or a bus) are Hez, Dana and inHim. Like I explained earlier:
Mina - nuked LLD
IS - Nuked Vi and asked Pooky to nuke Gooey
Pooky - Nuked Gooey
Gorilla - provided chatter for Hinduragi to decipher and trap LLD
Hindu - trapped LLD in her own bullshit

Dana: Mina says he is to Herpaderp to be scum
Hez: I have nothing on him, zero. But if he is scum, the fail safe can really fuck us (See: Hindu to a lesser extent)
Inhim: No initial suspicious, except having the balls to nuke Hindu and willing to die for it.

So Hez, you can get your panties in a bunch, but really, who else is left to kill first? You want us to go with the bus conspiracy theory before the three stooges with no redeeming quality that deems them as town? There is no point in nuking Hez at any point, unless inhim promises to do it tomorrow. Even then, we cant force anyone to do anything, especially when we reach end game. So might as well lynch Hez now.

Everyone has a reason to still alive, and its exciting as fuck, but it also means that a lot of us have to die because that last EuroBastard is one sneaky motherfucker.

If it is as easy as seeing who has taken actions against scum, the last European would have been caught by now. More likely, someone in your initial group is the person we are looking for.

[HezLucky]

Nothing has changed Mina. If Hindu is the scum, he could really fuck us over because everyone trusts him so much and he could pull some nasty shenanigans with his ability. Nuking Hindu is a contingency plan. But just because I believe as such, doesnt mean the rest of you do.

If Hindu flips scum, im fucking awesome. If he flips town, I know one of you will take revenge on him, even if it was the scum looking for goodwill.

My point now remains that the only ones that havent taken a direct action against scum (or a bus) are Hez, Dana and inHim. Like I explained earlier:
Mina - nuked LLD
IS - Nuked Vi and asked Pooky to nuke Gooey
Pooky - Nuked Gooey
Gorilla - provided chatter for Hinduragi to decipher and trap LLD
Hindu - trapped LLD in her own bullshit

Dana: Mina says he is to Herpaderp to be scum
Hez: I have nothing on him, zero. But if he is scum, the fail safe can really fuck us (See: Hindu to a lesser extent)
Inhim: No initial suspicious, except having the balls to nuke Hindu and willing to die for it.

So Hez, you can get your panties in a bunch, but really, who else is left to kill first? You want us to go with the bus conspiracy theory before the three stooges with no redeeming quality that deems them as town? There is no point in nuking Hez at any point, unless inhim promises to do it tomorrow. Even then, we cant force anyone to do anything, especially when we reach end game. So might as well lynch Hez now.

Everyone has a reason to still alive, and its exciting as fuck, but it also means that a lot of us have to die because that last EuroBastard is one sneaky motherfucker.

Actually, now that I think about it, your behaviour is highly suspect. You want me lynched, since you know the fail safe will screw you, but you're going out of your way to say this to me in a nice way, even though I don't have a nuke, because you know that I'm very vengeful.

Your reaction to the Fate trolling was also suspect. You just continued your little "American hero" charade while Fate trolled the rest of the town into thinking it was over.

Finally, I don't actually believe you are town this game, given that you have "caught" so many of the mafia. It's more likely you noticed that your scumbuddies were doing something in common, and called them out on it while not wanting to directly attack them for anything. You were great when I was around five years ago, but I have not seen you put up a similar performance in today's era, but I have seen you play as mafia, and you are acting in a similar way as before.

You also sound like you've given up on actually "catching" scum, as you are the last one, and seem focused on trying to maneouver yourself into a good position for endgame.

Unvote, Vote: Internet Stranger

How's that? I caught the last scum.

[HezLucky]

Nothing has changed Mina. If Hindu is the scum, he could really fuck us over because everyone trusts him so much and he could pull some nasty shenanigans with his ability. Nuking Hindu is a contingency plan. But just because I believe as such, doesnt mean the rest of you do.

If Hindu flips scum, im fucking awesome. If he flips town, I know one of you will take revenge on him, even if it was the scum looking for goodwill.

My point now remains that the only ones that havent taken a direct action against scum (or a bus) are Hez, Dana and inHim. Like I explained earlier:
Mina - nuked LLD
IS - Nuked Vi and asked Pooky to nuke Gooey
Pooky - Nuked Gooey
Gorilla - provided chatter for Hinduragi to decipher and trap LLD
Hindu - trapped LLD in her own bullshit

Dana: Mina says he is to Herpaderp to be scum
Hez: I have nothing on him, zero. But if he is scum, the fail safe can really fuck us (See: Hindu to a lesser extent)
Inhim: No initial suspicious, except having the balls to nuke Hindu and willing to die for it.

So Hez, you can get your panties in a bunch, but really, who else is left to kill first? You want us to go with the bus conspiracy theory before the three stooges with no redeeming quality that deems them as town? There is no point in nuking Hez at any point, unless inhim promises to do it tomorrow. Even then, we cant force anyone to do anything, especially when we reach end game. So might as well lynch Hez now.

Everyone has a reason to still alive, and its exciting as fuck, but it also means that a lot of us have to die because that last EuroBastard is one sneaky motherfucker.

Actually, now that I think about it, your behaviour is highly suspect. You want me lynched, since you know the fail safe will screw you, but you're going out of your way to say this to me in a nice way, even though I don't have a nuke, because you know that I'm very vengeful.

Your reaction to the Fate trolling was also suspect. You just continued your little "American hero" charade while Fate trolled the rest of the town into thinking it was over.

Finally, I don't actually believe you are town this game, given that you have "caught" so many of the mafia. It's more likely you noticed that your scumbuddies were doing something in common, and called them out on it while not wanting to directly attack them for anything. You were great when I was around five years ago, but I have not seen you put up a similar performance in today's era, but I have seen you play as mafia, and you are acting in a similar way as before.

You also sound like you've given up on actually "catching" scum, as you are the last one, and seem focused on trying to maneouver yourself into a good position for endgame.

Unvote, Vote: Internet Stranger

How's that? I caught the last scum.

If you wish to prove me wrong, all you have to do is boldtype my name beside the word "Nuke" and all will be forgiven. As it stands, it would be gamethrowing for you to commit such an action, and so I don't expect you to even entertain the idea.

Hey Pooky, there's a good nuke target for you.

[HezLucky]

IS a tru american hero

he cant be euroscum

When townie after townie comes crumbling down, whatcha gonna do?

WHATCHA GONNA DO POOKY? WHATCHA GONNA DO?

[HezLucky]

Hey Hezgenius, how many nukes do you think I have per day? You damn full well I nuked Fate for the glory already, you also know damn full well that I was more hesitant than anyone when Fate started his bullshit theatrics.

I dont trust Fate until he actually suicides and flips. This could be the ultimate troll.

Oh hey look at that, I was right. But then Fate called me a pussy, so I went along with the celebratory masturbation anyways until his flip.



Youre done Hez, you finally cracked. You were playing Cool Hand EuroLuke until I used great American reasoning and logic to narrow this shit right down to you. Now you get to flail like some Frenchy coward watching the Germans advancing over the border. Thats when the whole Hero Denial talk begins. You cant put a chink on this armor Hez. The American hegemony is too strong for you and your EuroTrash brethren to stop. Now youre also begging someone to nuke you. So you can at least take one last faithful American with you. You know you wont be allowed to survive to endgame Hez, you know my list is correct and it deems your life as less worthy as those who have taken immediate action against the European menace. It makes perfect sense that it is indeed about time that you start to panic since youre going to die soon.

All it took to crack you was one vote. Thats it. Thats all you needed to see to know that America is coming for you. You dont stand a chance anymore Hez, youre done. Its over for you, Euroscum.

If Pooky wants to make that ultimate sacrifice and go down in nuclear combat, man to man vs HezScum, he is welcome to do so. But im not in the business of wasting precious American lives over one scumbag. Not when we have the option to lynch HezEuroScum instead.

No.

I demand IS nuke me.

First thing tomorrow.

Demand it.

[HezLucky]

Hey Hezgenius, how many nukes do you think I have per day? You damn full well I nuked Fate for the glory already, you also know damn full well that I was more hesitant than anyone when Fate started his bullshit theatrics.

I dont trust Fate until he actually suicides and flips. This could be the ultimate troll.

Oh hey look at that, I was right. But then Fate called me a pussy, so I went along with the celebratory masturbation anyways until his flip.



Youre done Hez, you finally cracked. You were playing Cool Hand EuroLuke until I used great American reasoning and logic to narrow this shit right down to you. Now you get to flail like some Frenchy coward watching the Germans advancing over the border. Thats when the whole Hero Denial talk begins. You cant put a chink on this armor Hez. The American hegemony is too strong for you and your EuroTrash brethren to stop. Now youre also begging someone to nuke you. So you can at least take one last faithful American with you. You know you wont be allowed to survive to endgame Hez, you know my list is correct and it deems your life as less worthy as those who have taken immediate action against the European menace. It makes perfect sense that it is indeed about time that you start to panic since youre going to die soon.

All it took to crack you was one vote. Thats it. Thats all you needed to see to know that America is coming for you. You dont stand a chance anymore Hez, youre done. Its over for you, Euroscum.

If Pooky wants to make that ultimate sacrifice and go down in nuclear combat, man to man vs HezScum, he is welcome to do so. But im not in the business of wasting precious American lives over one scumbag. Not when we have the option to lynch HezEuroScum instead.

No.

I demand IS nuke me.

First thing tomorrow.

Demand it.

Watch him cower at this demand.

Nobody escapes the Fail Safe.

[HezLucky]

Hey Hezgenius, how many nukes do you think I have per day? You damn full well I nuked Fate for the glory already, you also know damn full well that I was more hesitant than anyone when Fate started his bullshit theatrics.

I dont trust Fate until he actually suicides and flips. This could be the ultimate troll.

Oh hey look at that, I was right. But then Fate called me a pussy, so I went along with the celebratory masturbation anyways until his flip.



Youre done Hez, you finally cracked. You were playing Cool Hand EuroLuke until I used great American reasoning and logic to narrow this shit right down to you. Now you get to flail like some Frenchy coward watching the Germans advancing over the border. Thats when the whole Hero Denial talk begins. You cant put a chink on this armor Hez. The American hegemony is too strong for you and your EuroTrash brethren to stop. Now youre also begging someone to nuke you. So you can at least take one last faithful American with you. You know you wont be allowed to survive to endgame Hez, you know my list is correct and it deems your life as less worthy as those who have taken immediate action against the European menace. It makes perfect sense that it is indeed about time that you start to panic since youre going to die soon.

All it took to crack you was one vote. Thats it. Thats all you needed to see to know that America is coming for you. You dont stand a chance anymore Hez, youre done. Its over for you, Euroscum.

If Pooky wants to make that ultimate sacrifice and go down in nuclear combat, man to man vs HezScum, he is welcome to do so. But im not in the business of wasting precious American lives over one scumbag. Not when we have the option to lynch HezEuroScum instead.

No.

I demand IS nuke me.

First thing tomorrow.

Demand it.

Alternatively if someone nukes IS right now I will happily allow myself to get lynched.

[HezLucky]

That sure is a lot of flailing, Hez. Is this like a personal vendetta now because I caught you?

I want you to have all the glory.

I'm going to be very mad if someone else nukes me.

Also, if you nuke me, I will suicide immediately. Promise. Won't even give you a chance to retract it.

If anyone else nukes me they are a moron.

[HezLucky]

Silly Hez, I already have all the glory. I dont need a suicidal nuke or the spilling of any more rich, pure American blood to prove the fact. This little EuroScum uprising is about to come to an end. America has proven to be superior yet again.

There is no stopping whats right.

Unlike you, I'm happy dead. As long as town wins.

Why is that? Why am I okay with dying, so long as I've caught the last scum, and you are not?

It's not because, you, um, NEED to survive, is it?

It's not because you are European is it?

It is. Prove me wrong. Nuke me tomorrow. Since you are so confident, there should be NO reason why you are declining this offer.

[HezLucky]

So...we're lynching IS or Hez it looks like.

unvote vote: Hez

Let's do this before time runs out.

You just proclaimed me innocent not that long ago. You didn't say "the Hez wagon isn't taking off so I'm going elsewhere". No, you put your foot down and proclaimed me innocent.

Protip: The vote above might be what winds up getting you lynched this game. Inconsistency is a bitch.

As for IS, I am happy to die as long as I can assure his death.

[HezLucky]

So...we're lynching IS or Hez it looks like.

unvote vote: Hez

Let's do this before time runs out.

You just proclaimed me innocent not that long ago. You didn't say "the Hez wagon isn't taking off so I'm going elsewhere". No, you put your foot down and proclaimed me innocent.

Protip: The vote above might be what winds up getting you lynched this game. Inconsistency is a bitch.

As for IS, I am happy to die as long as I can assure his death.

LOL. I can see how the fact that it's your life on the line would make things seem like that for you, but suddenly lynching IS wouldn't exactly be consistent either. I was (and still kind of am) pretty sure that you were town, but IS's actions lately do NOT read scum to me. You being out of the way for the endgame helps regardless, I think, because if I'm in endgame, I'll do some rereading and probably have a better chance of getting it right than you. Not to say you're a bad player. It's just that your reads this game seem to be kinda lame and you seem to already be trying.

I SALUTE YOU GOOD SIR. HE WHO HAS TUNNELED ON ME ALL GAME AND HAS THEREFORE BEEN _WRONG_ ALL GAME.

Anyways, I've already caught you IS-scum. You can thank me later.

[HezLucky]

IS or dana is today's lynch.

Mafia will want the fail-safe out of the way as much as anyone. Mafia can't nuke the fail-safe, or it's game over. IS and dana have both specifically dodged trying to hit me. The last scum is probably amongst them.

Mod: I may not be here all day -- am I allowed to vote for whichever of IS/dana has more votes? Or do I have to actually be here to physically type my vote?

(You must be present to vote. --AGM)

[HezLucky]

WE ARE NOT FUCKING LYNCHING INTERNET STRANGER TODAY YOU MORONS.

I HATE YOU ALL. YOU ARE TERRIBLE AT THIS GAME.

Remember how I said at the beginning of the game that this was a guaranteed win for town...as long as town aren't stupid? Yeah.

I love how if IS gets lynched, then EVERY PLAYER on Magua's list of obvtownies who should survive the nuclear Holocaust will have died today. The whole fucking point of DEFCON is hunt for townies and then chain-nuke everyone else.

Also, Dana, why are you acting so outrageously scummy when you should logically be confirmed town? Seriously, if you were just mildly sheepy, I'd have written you off as town without a second thought. Are you even TRYING to be consistent in anything you've said all game?

More coming later when I finish work. I'm not suiciding before I fire a nuke. I'm getting extremely paranoid of gorilla, so I'll take a closer look at him.

It might actually be a good idea to time the nukes so that night ends BEFORE I die...but this is why Hinduragi was an idiot for not revealing his target. If town is nuked, he/she might suicide and waste a protect. If SCUM is nuked, then we won't find out that it failed until tomorrow.

Unvote, Vote: dana

then.

IS still needs to burn in hell. But not today. Tomorrow, when he nukes me.

[HezLucky]

WE ARE NOT FUCKING LYNCHING INTERNET STRANGER TODAY YOU MORONS.

I HATE YOU ALL. YOU ARE TERRIBLE AT THIS GAME.

Remember how I said at the beginning of the game that this was a guaranteed win for town...as long as town aren't stupid? Yeah.

I love how if IS gets lynched, then EVERY PLAYER on Magua's list of obvtownies who should survive the nuclear Holocaust will have died today. The whole fucking point of DEFCON is hunt for townies and then chain-nuke everyone else.

Also, Dana, why are you acting so outrageously scummy when you should logically be confirmed town? Seriously, if you were just mildly sheepy, I'd have written you off as town without a second thought. Are you even TRYING to be consistent in anything you've said all game?

More coming later when I finish work. I'm not suiciding before I fire a nuke. I'm getting extremely paranoid of gorilla, so I'll take a closer look at him.

It might actually be a good idea to time the nukes so that night ends BEFORE I die...but this is why Hinduragi was an idiot for not revealing his target. If town is nuked, he/she might suicide and waste a protect. If SCUM is nuked, then we won't find out that it failed until tomorrow.

Then again, I don't put much credibility in what Mina says. This is the same person who lurked her obvtownness away and thought I was mafia. She lost her right to complain a long time ago.

[HezLucky]

Dana's a better lynch. He offers nothing ot this town. If IS is scum and I die, you're all fucked.

[HezLucky]

Holy fuck IS was town.

WHAT THE FUCK?

Let's start reading.

Oh, Dana nuked me. K have fun guys.

Between the two of them, I'd say it's more likely for Hez to be scum because he's the only person that I think would've off'ed IS because it was pretty clear end of day yesterday that IS was going to fire a nuke at Hez and that would only help a scumbag win, so shooting up IS kind of makes sense from a Hez perspective and not really from a gorilla perspective

I'm not scum.

Assume it's Gorilla scum and look at it from his point of view:

Inhim/Mina are done for so it's just him IS Hez Dana and me. Now if he doesn't kill IS, IS will nuke Hez and they will both die.

if Gorilla kills me, then IS kills Hez, there's only Dana and Gorilla alive, so obviously dana is going to nuke Gorilla

if Gorilla kills Dana, then IS kills Hez, there's only me and Gorilla alive, so obviously I would nuke Gorilla

The only way Gorilla gets out of this situation is to bomb IS so he can't make it a 1v1 situation that Gorilla would lose.

This is true. At least, the assumption that IS would have nuked me (now that we know he is town) is a good one. Options were:

Hez, pooky, gorilla, inhim, dana, IS

if you don't trust me as the last one, then i'd rather be the one to get nuked/hammer so i can decide the outcome of the game

I trust you more than I trust myself at this point.



So four of us are left? Inhim has been nuked?

Best situation is inhim nukes pooky, and pooky decides the final lynch.

God knows I don't want to be choosing at LyLo right now.

[HezLucky]

Holy fuck IS was town.

WHAT THE FUCK?

Let's start reading.

Oh, Dana nuked me. K have fun guys.

Between the two of them, I'd say it's more likely for Hez to be scum because he's the only person that I think would've off'ed IS because it was pretty clear end of day yesterday that IS was going to fire a nuke at Hez and that would only help a scumbag win, so shooting up IS kind of makes sense from a Hez perspective and not really from a gorilla perspective

I'm not scum.

Assume it's Gorilla scum and look at it from his point of view:

Inhim/Mina are done for so it's just him IS Hez Dana and me. Now if he doesn't kill IS, IS will nuke Hez and they will both die.

if Gorilla kills me, then IS kills Hez, there's only Dana and Gorilla alive, so obviously dana is going to nuke Gorilla

if Gorilla kills Dana, then IS kills Hez, there's only me and Gorilla alive, so obviously I would nuke Gorilla

The only way Gorilla gets out of this situation is to bomb IS so he can't make it a 1v1 situation that Gorilla would lose.

This is true. At least, the assumption that IS would have nuked me (now that we know he is town) is a good one. Options were:

Hez, pooky, gorilla, inhim, dana, IS

if you don't trust me as the last one, then i'd rather be the one to get nuked/hammer so i can decide the outcome of the game

I trust you more than I trust myself at this point.



So four of us are left? Inhim has been nuked?

Best situation is inhim nukes pooky, and pooky decides the sole survivor via nuke.

God knows I don't want to be choosing at LyLo right now.

Part of the reason I want pooky to be nuked is that I am currently confused and lost as fuck as to who the scum is, and I'm pretty sure gorilla feels the same. Pooky has clearly thought this through and seems to have an idea of which way he wants to steer the nukes/lynches.

If he's town, he'd be the best to decide the game (god dammit if you are don't pick me ffs)

But if he's scum, he's nuked, so it doesn't matter.

[HezLucky]

wtf Hez.

You're just going to give up?

How am I giving up? My bet is Pooky, and my plan means that if I'm wrong, the loss isn't entirely on me -_-

[HezLucky]

Okay Pooky, you get to use your one nuke on either myself or gorilla, and we call game over at that. No lynching shenanigans. There needs to be exactly one sole survivor. (or two -- if you want to admit to being scum right now)

[HezLucky]

Really? I thought it was you. Had convinced myself of this before I logged in.

More of this game had a OMGHESSUPEROBVTOWN read on me than gorilla, FWIW.

gorilla's role is also better for making him look like useful scum, than mine is. If scum are indeed being setup for the long haul (btw as I'm writing this I still don't think gorilla is scum), then I've been setup by chance [it's chance that people in this game who have called me obvtown were mainly town] whereas gorilla's setup was more deliberate through his interactions with LLD.

Ironic thing is that I made a 6 person scumlist much earlier in the game. I got NONE of them right, unless I'm right bout gorilla. Thanks Mina and dana. Way to destroy my confidence before Lylo. That might cost us the game.

Hoping that one of the people that is dead but not really dead is just fucking with us at this point.

[HezLucky]

Two more things I thought of while I was in the washroom:

1) gorilla, do not, at any point, cast a vote in this game. If Pooky is scum he can hammer and then nuke the other and terrorist wins.

2) Hell, I still think it's pooky, and that his latest "I'm gonna reread the game and ask u guys questions" bit is an effort to get the nuke retract. Inhim, DO NOT RETRACT THAT NUKE. Though any input on inhim's part as to the sole survivor is helpful.

[HezLucky]

THIS IS HIGHLY SUSPICIOUS.

How can you possibly have any game mecahnics related qudstions this late?

This better not involve my fail safe and your European win condition.

[HezLucky]

no it's pretty much relating to my american win condition and wondering what happens if a town gets nuked in 3p with a nuke in the air, wondering whether the last town dies or they can just wait until the last euro gets nuked. If it means town-loss then pooky needs to suicide if he's town

getting a bit fidgety there, hez

Then why ask this question in private?

Of course I'm getting fidgety. I'm going to be blamed for the fucking loss if Pooky nukes me and you are scum.

[HezLucky]

:shrug: Just ISO'd you I still don't think you're scum :S

[HezLucky]

I'm going to take this moment to read over the original DEFCON as well as DEFCON 2.0 so I can get a better idea of what's going on. Is there anything I should know about those games that differs greatly from this one?

Did you do this?

I read DEFCON 1 in its entirity, and did not touch DEFCON 2.

While I'm on that subject, the main thing I got out of DEFCON 1 is that Hinduragi survived and gained huge town cred because he was directly responsible for eliminating one of his buddies. That's what allowed him to get that far.

Between myself and gorilla, which one of us has actually been responsible for eliminating scum at all? HINT: It's not me. If you are indeed town Pooky, then look at gorilla's interactions hard. I'm not even going to build a case on him because, as I said, I already ISO'd him and can't find shit. No point making anything up. But gorilla was able to coast on teh LLD thing. I'm here because scum won't nuke me, and town are too scared to.

[HezLucky]

I will make a small case on gorilla that I have just thought of, after looking at his ISO:

Because of the mechanics of the game, with 1 scum left scum can not piss ANYONE off. Gorilla has done
EVERYTHING right in terms of looking like he's scumhunting, responding to people in a completely appropriate
manner, and so on.

The one thing gorilla has not done from LLD's death onwards is actually accuse someone. He's scumhunted,
yes, but he has not accused a SINGLE PERSON.

I am lost. But at least I tried with IS. At least I tried with Pooky.

I'm not even kidding. Look at the last fifteen posts of his ISO. He definitely looks like he's scumhunting,
by supporting MY case on IS, and going through each person in the list. I'm not saying that being confused
isn't legitimate. I am confused as fuck and I would have done the same thing. The difference? Scum HAVE TO
sit on the fence at this point. A single pissed off townie and it's game over. At least I fucking tried.

[HezLucky]

[NORAD SYSTEM] Warhead will detonate on Friday, 29 July at 23:56 EST.

Pooky don't you dare forget this.

[HezLucky]

I've still around because 1. I am town and have been correctly read as town by pretty much everyone and 2. I've been pretty much nonthreatening to the scum

No, you've been around because you ARE scum. No one can kill you. You have not been correctly read by anyone except ME. And that was early. How interesting that I have managed to get EVERY SINGLE READ WRONG except this one. Don't let this scumbag survive.

it's been a pretty much nuke-driven game from day 3 out so that's why we're sitting here and it's sort of ridiculous it came down to this, but oh well. hez has gotten by the past few days pretty much on the fuck-off power of the fail safe where no one wants to nuke him because they don't want to die. he showed some early game bluster but in my opinion hasn't really towntold in a significant way. to be honest his posting is reminiscent of deflated scum in a lot of regards. admitting he can't find shit on me is pretty close to admitting my innocence because i'm not some mafia god who is incapable of slipping.

I've gotten by because a shit-ton of people have called me obvtown. A shit-ton. Fewer people have called gorilla obvtown. Pooky, in making your decision, realize that you have two people who both are town. You can invent a case on anyone in order to make them scum. That's confirmation bias. I ask you to leave the person alive who is MORE TOWN. If either of us had significant scumtells, we wouldn't be in this situation right now.

the suggestion that i pulled off some sort of genius tier double bus where LLD tries to SK hunt me then i claim and we try to break our own code and she gets caught BSing it is pretty much insane, because i haven't really tried to take credit for that at all, i'm an idiot and my reads this game were horrible, my credit for catching LLD is basically solely limited to the role i drafted and i'm not afraid to admit that. but those interactions are pretty much the net whole of why i'm town - that sort of exchange is too complicated to fake and i could barely understand the code

Playing the "I'm an idiot" card. You've done nothing but let your buddies set you up this game for the long run. Then you've coasted, and actively avoided making anyone angry lest you fail completely. I've actually scumhunted, VOLUNTEERED MULTIPLE TIMES FOR PEOPLE TO NUKE ME, haven't coasted (unlike gorillascum), and am far more worthy to be the sole survivor. If anything, Pooky, there will be far more people yelling at you post-game if you nuke me than if you nuke gorilla. And that's WITHOUT hindsight bias.

i requested this game day that either i get hammer or i be the final survivor, because i know me surviving is a guaranteed town win, but if there wasn't a sufficient level of trust, then i'd rather be slated to die first so i could be confirmed town and have the decision over who survives because then it would be my responsibility and my decision influencing the outcome of the game and i'd have preferred that to getting nukehammered on. that's not something i'd even consider asking as scum because even if the chance of me getting hammer were slim, it would be an instant loss if i did so.

Me surviving is a guaranteed town win. You surviving is a guaranteed-you win. Your post is highly suspicious because you are actively trying to make yourself look town. Why? I'M IN THE SAME BOAT AS YOU. I AM ABSOLUTELY CLUELESS. Yet, I am scared as fuck to take the hammer. You have no fucking clue about this game either. Why would you even SUGGEST that you deserve the hammer?

so in a nutshell i am totally town because i am not good enough to fake it, also i love America

Fuck you you are good enough to fake it. All you did this fucking game was choose a role that would allow you to have your buddies set you up, did your very very best to not piss anyone off, and coasted by on people's lack of suspicion for you.

The above is also a huge AtE. I can do that too -- my story is better than yours. Here I am as the person SpyreX wanted to POLICY LYNCH. Those words have never burned me deeper. Yet, if I am sole survivor, I can look at his ass when this game is over and say bitch please, my obvtownness just won you the game. I am also the person who Mina pointed out has GOTTEN EVERY SINGLE FUCKING READ WRONG. Not only who is scum, but who is town. Every single one. But as the sole survivor, I would be completely redeemed based on my play today. Gorilla, my story is WAY BETTER than yours, so don't even try this AtE bullshit with me.

p-edit: i'll be completely honest here, i have been trying to avoid pissing anyone off, it's an awkward situation because i got complacent and assumed town would hit scum sooner, hez could afford to be a bit more aggressive because no one wanted to nuke him and everyone was wanting to save him for this final day. like i said it was a nuke driven game and most of the decisions made were out of my hands

You admit my point is correct. What town motivation is there to avoid pissing people off?

This might be my strongest point, Pooky, so read. With 11 (or howeverm any alive once we had caught all scum but one) alive, no town actually looks at the game and thinks "Okay, I have no idea who the mafia is. My goal is to make myself look so town that I have to be the sole survivor."

They don't do this. They scumhunt, try and figure out who the scum is (as I have done, and gorilla has been completely lacking in post-LLD), and they ASSUME THE TOWN IS GOING TO FUCKING WIN. Do you know why gorilla didn't scumhunt? (Besides the fact that it would be insta-gameover for him by attacking someone with a nuke) Because there is nothing in it for him. For any other townie, especially when it was clear that the last European wasn't just giong to show up and die but rather be very difficult to find, there is a certain amoutn of GLORY in CATCHING THE LAST SCUM. As a town, you want to be that guy who does it. I tried twice -- with IS adn Pooky. I was wrong both times. But the fact that I even tried is why I am town and he is not -- I wanted the glory of finding the last one. Gorilla only cares about BEING the last one.

Friday night I will probably be going out like any normal person, but I am here to answer as many questions as you need me to until then.

[HezLucky]

I'm about 85% towards killing Gorilla over Hez.

I'm gonna go to bed and make a decision some time tommorrow. Let me know if you guys think of anything else I should think about.

If you do this you are a god.

I was pretty sure you were going to get it wrong, tbh.

Do you have any questions for me?

(One more point: I've clearly been the more open one here at LyLo, so I am more likely to do something you may misinterpret as a slip. The town is cheering you on in the graveyard to nuke Gorilla, but god damn please don't change your mind)

[HezLucky]

I'll throw this out there. Maybe this will make you feel even better about nuking gorilla:

Why am I trying so hard? Because I haven't exactly played a good game. If I was dead, a whole buncha people might yell at me in the graveyard for poor play and that'd be it. If I am nuked at LyLo, it will just acknowledge what several have said about me this game. "Hez is a liability to have late in the game (for his power or his decision making)". Most importantly, having not played well, if I am nuked today, the very very last thing I would want is for you to look at me after the game and say "Hez, you coulda tried harder". If you nuke me, fine. But don't tell me once this game is over that it's my fault, or that I could have tried harder. It took me a while but I gave you a great case on gorilla. Told you exactly why he's scum. Answered every single one of your questions. I really really want to win this, and as long as I've put in more than enough effort to be able to say "I tried to tell you", I'm okay. If you nuke me, it will be because of paranoia. That's why IS is gone. That's why you're gone. That's why Mina's gone. That's why all of these "obvtown" people, who really were town, are gone. Until yuo make your nuke tomorrow, I will put in absolutely every effort to allow you to make a decision that you are comfortable with, bar none. If you then choose to nuke me due to paranoia, fine. But at the very least, I can hold my head up high and tell you after the game that I tried. I didn't just sit here and twiddle my thumbs at lynch or lose. I helped you as much as I could. If you want to nuke me, whatever. It's the wrong decision, but it's yours to make. And I really hope you don't fucking do it. But that's why I'm trying harder than gorilla here. I'm trying to redeem myself. More importantly, this is a team game, and I'm kinda also trying to absolve myself of any direct fault should I not be the sole survivor.

Play to win. But don't play to blame someone else if you get it wrong. As long as you take responsibility for your nuke, you'll be okay.

[HezLucky]

If you do this you are a god.

I was pretty sure you were going to get it wrong, tbh.

Do you have any questions for me?

(One more point: I've clearly been the more open one here at LyLo, so I am more likely to do something you may misinterpret as a slip. The town is cheering you on in the graveyard to nuke Gorilla, but god damn please don't change your mind)

also if hez's fake-ass emotional appeal bullshit in this post is swaying you really need to take a damn step back and look at what he's saying

This is not an appeal to emotion.

I think about this game 24/7. My goal is to post as many of my thought processes as possible in hope that Pooky will have a *DING* go off in his head and say "OMG I THINK THIS EXACT WAY THERE IS NO WAY SCUM THINKS LIKE THIS NUKE: GORILLA"

That's my goal. I'm not trying to appeal to emotion. Rather, I'm trying to present a different side of myself so that Pooky has an additional thing to evaluate. I don't want Pooky to read this and say "that's inspirational Hez, but that doesn't help me". I want Pooky to read this and say "I understand your thought processes. They are <town/scum>"

You on the other hand have given Pooky nothing. WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS ABOUT TEH GAME GORILLA?

[HezLucky]

in all seriousness what has hez done lately

I scumhunted in trying to find thel ast scum yesterday. My scumhunt choice was IS. I laid out a case for him. You even agreed with it.

I scumhunted today. I EVEN MADE A PLAN THAT I WAS COMFORTABLE WITH. Because there is no way I was confident enough to choose, but I wanted to take a shot. So I picked Pooky as the person to nuke (aka. my choice for scum), laid out the reasons, and was wrong.

You, on the other hand, have not scumhunted at all since LLD's death. You never came under scrutiny because you were too afraid to put yourself under scrutiny.`

[HezLucky]

things like "If you do this you are a god.", "I was pretty sure you were going to get it wrong, tbh.", and "The town is cheering you on in the graveyard" are all hellishly insincere and are designed to sway you without making a real point as to me being scum

They are my reactions as I read the posts.

As I said earlier, I don't need to make you scum. I just need to be more town than you. But I have: and you still don't have a single fucking case on me. You'er afraid you are going to be outargued by me, so you've given up. If I were in your shoes against a more verbose player, I would be FUCKING FURIOUS and trying anything to get the other person lynched. The game is on the line here. You are not playing at all like town.

I was theo nly one who actually put you in one of my scumlists all game. If even a single one of my other reads was right, I might've had the confidence to prevent us from even being in this situation.

[HezLucky]

in all seriousness what has hez done lately

I scumhunted in trying to find thel ast scum yesterday. My scumhunt choice was IS. I laid out a case for him. You even agreed with it.

I scumhunted today. I EVEN MADE A PLAN THAT I WAS COMFORTABLE WITH. Because there is no way I was confident enough to choose, but I wanted to take a shot. So I picked Pooky as the person to nuke (aka. my choice for scum), laid out the reasons, and was wrong.

You, on the other hand, have not scumhunted at all since LLD's death. You never came under scrutiny because you were too afraid to put yourself under scrutiny.`

how about the plan where i asked to be nuked so i could have hammer

what about that plan

i didn't scumhunt day 4 but i did try to figure out who was town which would have been useful if the swinging dicks didn't kill each other off

you've only survived because everyone was afraid to kill you

How about the two times I AGREED TO BE NUKED? One by LLD, the other by IS. In fact, I damn near insisted that IS nuke me.

Then you went and killed him. Yes, I know how that story ends.

But your defeatist attitude doesn't win you teh game. I am more town than you, and I've played more town than you have.

Thankfully, you've shown up. Because now I actually will yell at Pooky if he gets this wrong.

[HezLucky]

Yeah I'm stalking the thread and refreshing every minute. I see you online. Do you have any actual case on me? Or are you going to continue to spew Pooky the crap of "OMG I SUCK IT CAN'T POSSIBLE BE ME?"

[HezLucky]

is it bad that my last hope at this point is that pooky is just trolling the hell out of me as scum because this is fucking ridiculous

(I would be plenty amused if tihs is the case. I can fucking assure you I am not scum.)

[HezLucky]

I am not being defeatist, i am re-reading

i might put together a case on you but i think i have explained to the best of my ability why i am town and it just keeps getting ignored which is what i was afraid of and why i wanted hammer

saying i've given up is just an outright cocky bullshit lie though

The only thing I'm worried about at this point is not being sole survivor. If I am sole survivor, America wins.

I expect many Hezwavres in the graveyard if Pooky nukes gorilla.

[HezLucky]

actually no on a re-read i think it's you still which means i really ought to do something

You think it's me, yet I'm completely fucking certain it's you.

Maybe it's because I know my alignment, and if I'm wrong about you it doesn't matter.

[HezLucky]

When I wake up tomorrow I expect to see gorilla making a case on me. I expect myself to reply to that case and point out that the case against gorilla is much stronger.

Re-hashed:

- Gorilla has done nothing since LLD. No scumhunting. SCUM HAVE TO ACT THIS WAY. They piss off one person they die. I, on the other hand, have scumhunted - thought it was IS, thought it was Pooky, wrong both times but I'll be damned if I didn't lead a crusade against IS, and create a plan that allowed Pooky to be nuked while deciding the game.

- Gorilla has coasted since LLD. No suspicion on him. You'd think those would be great grounds for scumhunting, right? You could just get people to cancel nukes on you. But nope, gorilla doesn't want to risk it.

[HezLucky]

When I wake up tomorrow I expect to see gorilla making a case on me. I expect myself to reply to that case and point out that the case against gorilla is much stronger.

Re-hashed:

- Gorilla has done nothing since LLD. No scumhunting. SCUM HAVE TO ACT THIS WAY. They piss off one person they die. I, on the other hand, have scumhunted - thought it was IS, thought it was Pooky, wrong both times but I'll be damned if I didn't lead a crusade against IS, and create a plan that allowed Pooky to be nuked while deciding the game.

- Gorilla has coasted since LLD. No suspicion on him. You'd think those would be great grounds for scumhunting, right? You could just get people to cancel nukes on you. But nope, gorilla doesn't want to risk it.

Dammit my rehash was weak. On that last point:

With 11 (or whatever #) people left and only 1 scum left to find, NO TOWNIE WOULD THINK "I HAVE NO IDEA WHO IT IS SO I NEED TO BE THE LAST PERSON ALIVE".

Townies would think "We have torched the scum all game. I'll let everyone else carry me to victory. They'll find the last one."

Then when the going got rough, they would try and grab the glory for themselves. I wanted the glory.

Man, this isn't turning out well. Just reread my big post.

[HezLucky]

I love how all of LLD's scumbuddies occupy the bottom of each part of the list.

I hope I haven't fucked up today by changing Pooky's mind.

[HezLucky]

really you're certain it's me but have entertained the though of it actually being pooky throughout the day. i know i'm town and fucking everyone has gone down declaring me as town and now inexplicably i find myself having to argue with the one guy who's wrong and completely disregards orders while you strawman the hell out of me

I was sure it was Pooky until he made that post abotu rereading teh game etc. etc.

And I thought to myself he could be trolling us but I absolutely need to treat this as if he isn't.

[HezLucky]

really you're certain it's me but have entertained the though of it actually being pooky throughout the day. i know i'm town and fucking everyone has gone down declaring me as town and now inexplicably i find myself having to argue with the one guy who's wrong and completely disregards orders while you strawman the hell out of me

I was sure it was Pooky until he made that post abotu rereading teh game etc. etc.

And I thought to myself he could be trolling us but I absolutely need to treat this as if he isn't.

Then I ISO'd you and found nothing. And was upset.

And then I thought to myself: "why did I find nothing?"

and that's how I caught you.

[HezLucky]

I couldn't fucking figure out a reason for anyone to be scum, like i said i was more looking for people i thought were town because i would have been happy making sure my townreads survived - in actuality scum need to push in this situation, they need to get people to be paranoid and kill each other off because if they don't they get fucked by process of elimination

you really did not risk anything by pushing on others because no townie is going to want to commit suicide to take you out

dana dana dana dana dana dana dana dana dana dana dana dana

Sorry, what?

I would have FORCED IS to nuke me today if he were alive. Funny how you're trying to frame the kill on me, yet if I'm dead you're in a better final 2 and likely the winner.

[HezLucky]

Yo, I've been wrong about every single thing this game.

Why do you think I'm trying so hard, again?

Redemption is a strong motivator. I'm up for another two hours. How about you?

[HezLucky]

My schedule for Pooky:

4am-1pm sleep

1pm-5 or 6ish I'll be able to respond to stuff.

After that you need to make your choice because Iw on't be around.

[HezLucky]

I'm so happy that Pooky will have much conversation to come back to.

Althoguh this benefits you more than me, seeing as he was 85% in your direction.

And that has me nervous as fuck.

[HezLucky]

I'm so happy that Pooky will have much conversation to come back to.

Althoguh this benefits you more than me, seeing as he was 85% in your direction.

And that has me nervous as fuck.

do you think you've argued badly? i can't see a town player being worried about incriminating themselves

I have nothing to gain from Pooky waiting a day, given that you are his current nuke choice.

I've argued better than you, and that's meaningless.

I am also not interested in getting into a bitchfest.

[HezLucky]

so why the hell would you be worried about him changing his mind? if you were town you'd have confidence in your own towniness shining through, no reason to be nervous at this point

Fuck that I'm nervous as fuck.

IF I GET NUKED I HAVE FAILED THE TOWN.

[HezLucky]

I am channeling my inner fate. He was town right?

[HezLucky]

bro quit it you're scum.

Pooky had this game won however many hours ago when he decided to nuke you. Let's see if he changes his mind and likes losing instead.

[HezLucky]

One question hez, if the crux of your case is that gorilla hasn't hunted scum which a townie should have and tried to hide and not stand out to not attract attention. Then why did you have me killed over him? I've been hard on hunting scum. I piss people off. I actually nuked a baddie. So why did u think gorilla was more likely scum than me?

Look at the timing of your posts. Even after you had been nuked, I didn't have a case on gorilla. And that made me uneasy, so I had to think of WHY I didn't have a case on him.

The last time I was in anything resembling LyLo was in Mini 1152, where I was the one who successfully caught scum. How did I do that? I looked to see whose plan of attack today was PLANNED. In Mini 1152, there were 5 alive and Parama/Exe were both town that were buddying to each other, and I was confirmed innocent. Farside-scum HAD TO come out and attack Parama like her life depended on it. Based on your previous posts, Pooky, I noticed two things.

1) You came out immediately and tried to accuse me. I was clearly lost at this point in the game and had no idea who teh final scum is. I noticed gorilla was really lost too. I felt that, because we felt the exact same way, we must both be town. You, on teh other hand, looked like you were fighting for your life trying to be useful.

Between the two of them, I'd say it's more likely for Hez to be scum because he's the only person that I think would've off'ed IS because it was pretty clear end of day yesterday that IS was going to fire a nuke at Hez and that would only help a scumbag win, so shooting up IS kind of makes sense from a Hez perspective and not really from a gorilla perspective

2) You had the best understanding and idea of the game among all of us, so you would be best to receive hammer.

1 is way stronger than 2. I wouldn't ask for a nuke on someone just because I thought they could get it right.

Remember, I only found a case on gorilla long after you had been nuked. And it's only when I thought long and hard about it.



That's another point on gorilla that I've mentioned. Gorilla claims to have been "completely lost" this game, just like myself. There is no reason someone that is completely lost should EVER demand the hammer. Gorilla was trying to make the win easy for himself by suggesting that he would like to be nuked and decide the game.

That's not pro-town. You leave the game in the hands of the person who has the best idea of what's going on. You nuke him first, just to be sure. That was my plan. That's also why gorilla is scum. His demand of the hammer is not town motivated at all.




Wow that was just Pooky's one question post. Now to respond to gorilla.