Gonna post what I have now, in case I get lynched before I finish:
#32 (DeathNote): "Way to narrow it down for scum there, good job" == "hay guys, I'm not scum" ==
. (-1 for DeathNote)
#35 (Yos2): "Did Vez seriously just claim VT in pregame? Can we speedlynch him before the game starts?" == "i know he did that, but did he actually do that? lulz hay guys what he did is wrong and scummy. but that is not like what I am. I am cool and town." ==
Also, actually seriously suggesting lynching someone for doing something they normally do, is stupid, and also
. (-2 for Yosarian2)
#41 (LlamaFluff): "We aren't policy lynching vezok for the VT claim" == "get your heads outta your asses guys" ==
(+1 for LlamaFluff)
#48 (Amrun): Direct parrot of LlamaFluff, so now town points here. (but she's since flipped town, so w/e)
#58 (AGar): "Vezok is town, and it's all but assured. Vezok is not intelligent enough to manipulate his own self meta. There's no reason, as town, to lynch a town player to 'narrow down the PR list.' It's just helping scum if anything, narrowing down their choices, thus increasing their likelihood of hitting a power role." == Very
. (+1 for AGar)
#59 (Medicated Lain): "Personally, Yosarian's call for a quick end to day one, no matter how much frustration seems pretty scummy to me. Less information does not help. I'd be more likely to lean in that direction, than Vezok's." == Smart, makes sense. (+.5 Medicated Lain)
#61 (mozamis (now CES)): "this is all nonsense" == succinct, but useless.
#64 (Porochaz): Disagrees with AGar's #58. I agree with AGar's #58 so I disagree with Porochaz. Not necessarily a scum tell on Poro, though.
#66 (creampuffeater): "Confirm, gah I havent played a game on here so long I forgot where the PM box was and diddnt notice the Role PM until now x_x I am such a failure." == too ridiculous to be a scum tell. (has since flipped town)
#69 (Yosarian2):" What is relevent is that now we do have a piece of information: Vezo is either scum, or he is a vanilla townie. That piece of information makes him a better of random lynch. What's even more important is that if he is town, the scum know he is not a power role, so he is less useful to the town then an unclaimed VT." == This is utterly terrible. Yosarian is better than this, even at his absolute worst.
(-1 for Yosarian2)
#72 (mozamis (now CES)): "Yosarian, we don't know Voz is a VT. He just claimed that. So we dont have ANY info on him." == *headdesk*
#74 (SensFan): "He's either a VT or he's not Town. There aren't any other options, so I would suggest you stop thinking there might be.
Anyways,
Vote: vezok.
" == RIDICULOUSLY scummy. I would say it's too scummy to be scum, but then again, this is SensFan we're talking about here. Not the brightest crayon in the box.
#78 (LlamaFluff): Overall a
. :goodposting: and (+1 for LlamaFluff)
#79 (Yosarian2): "This post really feels like Toon Fighter is trying to have it both ways about the death note case, trying to attack Death Note and "sound reasonable" at the same time, and I dislike it." == Good scumhunting, and proof that Yos2 is not an idiot. This only makes his early insistence that vezok was a good lynch. No town points for Yos here, in fact, kind of the opposite. Also, here are some
scum points to Toon Fighter
.
#98 (BrianMcQueso): "Really? Damn, I wish I had claimed VT in pregame so I could be "near for sure" innocent in your eyes. This is Mafia, pal. People can lie (seriously)." == Pro-town by principle, but null in practice. Also, ITP BMQ fails to realize that site meta is vastly different now with people like vezok running around.
#100 (Surye): "if he is VT or scum, he will survive the night, and again, no real information on the wagon or analysis. Ugh, i hate d1 VT claims." == This obviously didn't happen. Still, null. (also, Surye flipped town on N1)
#101 (LlamaFluff): Again, this is LlamaFluff making a lot of sense, in a
manner. (+1 for LlamaFluff)
#102 (AGar): "Let's all stop being retarded for a second. Vezok claimed VT. If he was scum or anti-town of any flavor, he would have had some ridiculous unbelievably retarded claim. It's how he rolls. He is not smart enough to manipulate this. Move your votes onto someone who deserves to be wagonned into oblivion, like DN or Surye or Lain." == Again,
, though only for the same reason as before.
#108 (Primate): This entire post is too verbose without saying enough, and though I 100% agree with the SensFan vote, I don't necessarily think Primate is town by any stretch. I also don't like the slight buddying going on in this post.
#117 (BrianMcQueso): Still fails to realize that guys like vezok are not like the players that were around in 2004-?, or whenever he was active. I also don't understand why he doesn't like Primate's vote on SensFan.
#120 (Zindaras): "This post
[AGAr's #58]
just feels horribly wrong to me. I am extremely suspicious of anyone confirming other people as being a certain alignment based on metas and assumptions." >> Did you honestly, HONESTLY think that if AGar was scum with vezok, that he'd defend him and obviously link himself to him like that? Also, how do you feel about the statement you made now that vezok has flipped town?
Also, "I'm just going to put it this way: if he goes back on his claim, I'll be doing everything to get him to die. Liars are scum." >> Unfortunately, not anymore. In the current site meta, people who are town lie all the time, fake claim PRs as VTs, etc. It's ridiculous, and anti-town, and I hate it, but you can't just Lynch All Liars and expect to hit scum every time any more.
#122 (Zindaras): This post is 100%
. It's also
quite
enlightening in terms of his reads on other people. I like that, a lot, as it makes it significantly for scum to backtrack on their reads later. I don't think Zindaras is scum. (+2 for Zindaras)
#125 (AGar): Still makin' oodles of sense and tootin' on that
horn.
#126 (HezLucky): His response to LlamaFluff's #78 is less than approving, which I disagree with. I think #78 made a lot of sense, and got some good penetrating questions out there. You may think they're "leading questions", but in reality they're just scumhunting. Throwing questions like that to scum often makes them respond in erroneous manner, whereas throwing them to town leads to something that could very well result in large town-tells and overall good vibes to other people. In other words, it more clearly defines the contrast between town and scum answers. Therefore, it is good and pro-town, and not sinister, to do so.
Also, in response to "Yosarian2 #79 - This post is highly noncommittal by Yosarian. Like Llama, I don't like the usage of asking questions here. Lots of questions to suggest that the person is scummy, and a vague statement that tries to sway people to his side while being too passive to really make it seem to anyone like he cares about this wagon. Yos2/Toon Fighter buddies?" >> This is very good scumhunting, and I agree.
are emanating from HezLucky here. (+1 for HezLucky)
#127 (vezokpiraka): "My win condition says I win if all the threats to the town are dead."
#137 (Albert B. Rampage): "That's not what mine says.
Vote: Vezok
" >> Um... that's basically what mine says too, though not in those exact words.
#139 and #140, by Amrun and Surye, respectively, make me go "...wtf?", especially in light of their town flips. It's easy to read what vezok was saying, and in light of the fact that THE TOWN ROLE PM IS IN THE OP... this whole exchange really makes me scratch my head. Is nobody paying attention at this point? (you know, aside from ME and stuff, since I didn't start playing until just now).
#144 (Yosarian2): "Wait. You agree with my attack on Toonfighter, but you think I'm scummy for making it, because I 'asked questions'? What's wrong with asking questions? How else am I supposed to find the scum if I'm not supposed to question people I find suspicious?" >> I agree with HezLucky on this one. That post was quite scummy. Also, your attempt at vague self-vindictive questioning of his questioning of your questioning of Toon Fighter fails. Not to mention, you come across here as looking mad that your early bus on Toon Fighter isn't even going to win you town cred. Aw, rats! The whole exchange looks scummier than ever, where you're concerned. (-1 for Yosarian2) Conversely, HezLucky comes out of the debate without a spot on him.
"On the other hand, there is no town motive for claiming VT. None. Zilch." >> How about if you ARE a VT? Seriously, you're making no sense, Yos. You make sense as town, but you make none as scum. 2+2=? (-1 for Yosarian2)
#146 (AGar): (at Yosarian2) "If you think I'm going to sit here and just run around ignoring Vezok's behavior until endgame, I have some offensive words to describe your intelligence. However, on D1 there are people playing a way scummier game here than Vezok's god damned claim, and everyone is simply instead piling on to Vezok's wagons. There are better ways to handle him than just running up a lynch on him D1. You're smart enough to know that." == AGar makin' some more sense with his sweet, sweet,
... Because yeah. Yos IS smart enough to know that. And that's the point. He's playing stupid because that's the only way he knows how to play scum. (+1 for AGar, -1 for Yosarian2)
#147 (Internet Stranger): Wants to lynch Surye or Kison. Ok, Surye's dead. What happened to wanting to lynch Kison? I suppose I'll find out as I read along.
#155 (Yosarian2): Long-winded
trying to appear town by spouting rhetoric and theory. No thank you. Get out of my game. (-1 for Yosarian2)
#158 (Internet Stranger): Surprisingly
(surprising given my future knowledge of him from later in the game). I agree with this. (+1 for Internet Stranger)
#166,
#168 (mozamis (now CES)): This
for the most part. I have to wonder though, because something like it happened just a little bit up the page in #162/#163... but still: (+.5 for mozamis/CES)
#190 (Yosarian2): "'Let's either lynch Vezok, or the scummiest guy voting for Vezok' makes sense to me, in a way. If Vezok is town, then there's probably some scum voting for him." >> LOL @ Yosarian trying to be ironic by singling himself out as the
person who had voted for Vezok. I got a good laugh out of this one. Hiding in plain sight noted. (-1 for Yosarian2)
#191 (SensFan): I'd be surprised if there aren't Scum both on and off of the [vezok] wagon."" >> Um... no sh*t, sherlock? Unfortunately, Yos' #190 was only the funniest post in the thread for roughly three minutes before it was one-upped by SensFan's #191. Well played, sir. --
(-2 for SensFan)
#194 (Kison): Not a particularly strong entrance into the game. Null at best though, for now.
#201 (SensFan): Willing to look up a random post from 2007 for Albert B. Rampage to fuel setup speculation and mod-WIFOM -- But unwilling to read a post that uses spoilered text,
here? HA! Man, this gets better and better. MMMHMMM!
up in heah, boyah. (-1 for SensFan)
#202 (Yosarian2): His ability to provide past meta of himself doing the same thing that he's been doing in this thread, is pretty awesome, and is indeed relevant. Also helping out his case is the fact that he was town in both of the mentioned games. Maybe I was wrong about him acting dumb just because he's scum. I don't mean that as a slight, I just mean it as me not seeing eye-to-eye with him on a lot of issues. Regardless, he gets
for providing this relevant self-meta. (+4 Yosarian2)
To be continued...
