quadz08 wrote:I dunno. I guess I'm probably just already stressed out from IRL stuff, but it was disorienting / confusing for me.
Ehhhhhhhh. I am underwhelmed by this back-off from the argument.
We can hold Mothrax's fate in the balance for a bit then. We lynch him first if he's scummy and we can be a little looser about how scummy he has to be to get lynched, but otherwise we hold our fire.
I am uninterested in getting into arguments about who everyone thinks would be the best choice for a policy lynch out of the playerlist. AGM's power could be scum or Town and I
do
dislike his defense to Hito's questions - too much 'with this power I
couldn't
be scum (because that's patently untrue but quite manipulative), too much 'in fact, you could be buddies with Mothrax.
Also: Your reason for voting Hito is a little . . . wonky? I'm down, sort of, with the 'he called Faraday Town for no good reason' thing (given that I can't check/refresh myself on the context I couldn't say myself whether it looked to be a Townish post for other reasons), but the assumption that he does believe Quadz is scum/should believe that is not a given and doesn't correlate. Hm.
@AGM
- If we lynch Mothrax first today, do we get a flip off of him as soon as he's lynched and go with the info to the second Day 1 lynch, or does he flip just before Night?
If AGM's policy-lynch picks aren't mine at all, neither are Hito's top three policy lynches. This tells me that
this sort of thing is highly subjective
. Which means that as far as I can see it's very unlikely we'll be able to reason out anything conclusive regarding AGM's alignment by arguing about who he should have picked (unless NS was actually horrid in the games he cited, I suppose).
Stupid school computer isn't interested in letting me acces Page 5 of the game but I've been messing around with the ISO function and at least got whatever Nicki M. responded to me thus far:
Nicki Minaj wrote:This is also to Plum, but are you saying you expected a serious answer to that question? I'm just curious, how do you think scum would react to that question, and how would town react?
If it makes you happy,
no
. I'm not scum. I feel ridiculous for even posting that.
Yes, I expected a serious answer. Town is more likely to answer quickly and definitively; scum is more likely to answer with a joke, with an attack on the question or the questioner, or to answer in longer or more equivocal ways. Scum are made to lie outright, and there
is
, in my own experience as well as reasonably strong heresay, psychological force acting which
does
influence reactions and answers such that an answer can be evaluated for scumminess. At this point your appeasement makes little difference to me, but yeah.
Picking back up on Page 6:
Gammagooey wrote:Plum has me paranoid with the big ol' wall post pointing out a how scummy Nicki is on page 3- It's page 3, and most of the points are pushed about as far as they can possibly be taken- it's like trying to make a case on someone and going through their whole iso to find every point instead of looking at the overall play to find out whether or not they're scum. And there's no mention of anyone else in the game except my domain thing being shiny.
Fair enough; Nicki posted quite a bit and caught my eye with much of her (their?) posting. Pushing the points as far as they could be taken didn't seem a bad option at the time (moreover, I was a little inspired by the scummer for whom I'm High Priestess, so that may have played in; take that for what you will). Most of the other interaction was not nearly as interesting to me as scumhunting material at the time.
sottyrulez wrote:The flavor is a passive ability called Trollspeak, this ability returns allegiance investigations as mafia and no result to all other investigations. We also can not be neighborized due to this passive ability.
Ninja? This is not just Miller, this is not being able to be accounted for by Watcher Tracker et al (and that besides the Neighborizer immunity). Hm. Not just a Miller claim indeed. Why didn't you mention the Ninjahood aspect of the power when you claimed Miller?
Debonair Danny DiPietro wrote:VP Baltar wrote:@DDD - what do you think is the optimal town strategy with the domains? Is there any advantage to mass claiming domains as someone (Seraphim?) suggested? Are we better randomly worshiping and casting? Same question goes to anyone that played in POWERFUL WIZARDS mafia...or whatever it's called.
If someone has a useful and falsifiable reason for domain and/or alignment claiming then I'd be in favor of it, but far too often you do something like that and people try to play outguess the mod isntead of scumhunting.
Goodposting.
sottyrulez wrote:I have a slight town read on Niki. I know Mina jumps all over the place as town and I'm not seeing scumMina asking about alignments like that. Plum's post on them makes me uneasy. I need to see that play out some more.
sottyrulez wrote:Gamma is town. Overly paranoid, but town. I can see where he is coming from and our info seems to match up.
Unvote, Vote: Plum
Yeah I like this vote
~Sotty
What changed between these two posts?
VP Baltar wrote:If no one played in Powerful Wizards mafia (did Plum? I thought she played all Spyrex games), then I guess I will have to look into it myself to see when and if domains were ever claimed in it.
Nope, sorry.
MoI - Fairly speaking I was making assumptions; that said, I don't think as mass alignment claim on either axis is a good choice at this point and Nicki's way of suggesting we do such a thing seemed shady for the reasons I discussed.
MagnaofIllusion wrote:What response would you expect? There is one obvious answer to that question regardless of the player’s true Allegience – “No I’m not”
Unless you are anticipating a Lie Detector (which in a game like this is certainly possible) it’s at best a Null question with scum-hunting upside.
There is one obvious answer, and I'd consider "No I'm not" give or take null. As far as my personal experience and my education tells me, equivocal responses of any sort to this question are highly worth noting and much more likely Town than scum. Your theory stance on this may be different; I dunno. I do see a scum-hunting upside in that scum are more likely to react in certain ways than Townies are/if you get a certain type of response, it's more likely that the responder is scum than if he/she had given the enutral direct answer.
Magua wrote:2) Tarhalindur. Being a Vi game, there's a Tarhalindur role out there, and I'm 99.9% that it will be significantly advantaged by having a massclaim of domains -- either because it has to eliminate everyone of a certain domain(s), or it wins if everyone alive has a certain domain(s), or something along those lines.
So instead of massclaiming domains, I would recommend that everyone name what domain they'd like worshipped. Which gives us nearly the same information for our purposes (what should I worship if I think X is town?), but hinders someone who needs to know what everyone's domains are.
1. Tarhalindur role has been all sorts of alignments as far as I can recall, even Town. There may or may not be a Domain-eating party/wincon of some sort, though, so point.
2. Your style domain claim is the one to go with.
Parama wrote:Magua wrote:I don't like either of Parama's posts.
I've only made one content post, so you starting out with this is a pretty good basis for me to discredit your posts.
You've never disliked someone's RVS vote-post?
Parama wrote:Magua wrote:I don't like someone who votes and then unvotes and then votes in the same post; has the feel of someone wanting to be careless and stream-of-consciousness without actually being either.
Your case on me: lol I voted twice in the same post
Uh okay.
That's not a case. I'll just put you on my "to-be-ignored-all-game" list now.
Wow this is
not
the Town-Parama I know and love. Telling the same guy twice in one post that you're going to ignore him? Strawmanning Magua's reason for voting you? What is this nonsense?!
Parama wrote:Actually, no. I think there IS a problem with that beyond the stupidity of it.
7 pages into a game.
Your vote is "LOL THIS GUY VOTED TWICE IN ONE POST, SCUM SCUM SCUM"
And your only mention of quadz: "i don liek him"
what a blatant "fos: buddy vote: townie lolololol" post.
magua's desperately trying to avoid bussing at this stage in the game. but the only thing he can come up with to push is "uh double vote = scumtell i thik? lolz."
y'know what this means?
EVERYBODY under serious suspicion is very likely scum if Magua is scum, which he is.
there are too many of the scums.
In ten minutes you change from 'Magua's so lol that I'm going to ignore him' to 'MAGUA'S EVIL SCUM AND EVERYONE UNDER SUSPICION NOW IS PROBSCUM TOO!'. The only thing in between I'm seeing is . . . Magua finding your first post to fake-casual. Now it's 'I'll SHOW you I'm not fake casual! This isn't casual at all! This is serious scummy business!'. Or did you not see Magua's response before that post? I can't tell. But anyway.
No.
Parama wrote:I don't care that VV has basically claimed scum. Magua basically just posted his role PM for us.
Um? No. Unconvinced of sincerity, too. Your
Post #182 is all good and well, but if VV is so glaringly scummy, why vote Magua? For a mediocre attack on you (which I'm still surprised you're not at least seeing as quite plausibly sincere)? Because he didn't vote a different suspect of yours (in which case you'd probably better be voting Quadz)? I'm not seeing this from Town-Parama. Far, far from it.
MagnaofIllusion wrote:Yet no vote in-sight for VV,
who has far more votes than Magua
.
Can't believe I didn't see that before, but yeah. THAT TOO.
Nicki Minaj wrote:Anyway Magua is probtown, etc. I'm not really feeling Mina's hito vote any more so I'm going to risk waking her dragon by voting for StretchyPlum.
Unvote. Vote: Plum.
Have you finished responding to me, or . . . ?
UNVOTE: Nicki
VOTE: Parama
Let's see.