Mafia MetaMafia ~ Game Over!

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

@AGM Friends and Enemies

I guess you could argue NS is easy to read obv-scum in that game but I have a hard time thinking after that game he's not your choice for a policy lynch.

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I wish I had a fun role with something to claim to make everyone think I'm obv-town, that or the WWF Title at least.

VOTE: quadz

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

Itt DDD hxc softclaims.

I did?

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

I wish I had a fun role with something to claim to make everyone think I'm obv-town, that or the WWF Title at least.

A rundown of why your vote is here or what you think of the past 4 pages would be pretty cool.

Preview: hxc?

I'm just screwing around waiting until VPB shows up and tells me where to vote.

hxc = hardcore.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

@DDD - what do you think is the optimal town strategy with the domains? Is there any advantage to mass claiming domains as someone (Seraphim?) suggested? Are we better randomly worshiping and casting? Same question goes to anyone that played in POWERFUL WIZARDS mafia...or whatever it's called.

If someone has a useful and falsifiable reason for domain and/or alignment claiming then I'd be in favor of it, but far too often you do something like that and people try to play outguess the mod isntead of scumhunting.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

I'm not interested in reading a lot of

anything

so some people need to pipe down until it's their turn to hold the feather.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

Did I step into an alternate universe where NS actually contributes? He gets town cred for just showing a pulse in my book.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

Lot of very likely town players at this stage, I think.

You have 12+ townreads? Care to list them for me, in one easily ISO-able place like your next post?

And you can't just list me 12 times either.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

I'm actually leaning town on Sotty/Zach now; I was initially very skeptical of a miller claim in Vi's game with her contempt for cops but the other miller claim has helped to alleviate that somewhat. More importantly is the untrackable/unwatchable claim because that seems like a brutally powerful ability for scum to have and I'm not sure it makes sense as a fake claim because it basically takes away their ability to use any sort of targeted actions.

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Seraphim have we ever played together in the past? I recognize your name but I'm not linking it immediately to any games.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

DDD we were all 3 in 11th hour. Sera replaced out though d1 or 2 i think though.

Ha, looking at that game he was the one who whined at me for rolling dice to find scum in the RVS. Also looking back at that game it seems Vi's games make me rather glib.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

giving reasoning = t0own points. katsuki tell me i'm being trolled. PLZ.

Not just that; giving reasons he agrees with gets you more town points. It's the sort of analysis I'd expect from a magic eight ball; not a serious mafia player.

Also quadz, yes, I have an interest in appearing town and I might even uses jokes and subtle suggestions to try and get people to take that stance. Unfortunately for your shake a magic eight ball style of analysis I have this interest whether town or scum.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

giving reasoning = t0own points. katsuki tell me i'm being trolled. PLZ.

Not just that; giving reasons he [quadz] agrees with gets you [generic] more town points. It's the sort of analysis I'd [DDD] expect from a magic eight ball; not a serious mafia player.

This post needs some pronoun clarification.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

DDD: My agreeing with them didn't give them more townpoints. That was just a bonus comment. Apologies if it appeared otherwise.
Ummm... so, as town, you feel the need to suggest, in a scummy way, that you're town?

As far as I can tell you're the only one reading that as scummy.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

Also, I just realized the hilarity of Vi being the town cop.

DDD - I'd like something decent from you today. Reassure me of your towniness, you know.

K, given that no one bothers to do night-kill analysis would you describe your comfort level about killing Nicki Minaj as more "chilling on the beach" or more "having a lay-in on a lazy Sunday morning"?

We definitely need to do a faith claim + a domain claim ..

No good reasons = no claims.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

Here, just quote this post and start bouncing.

For example, besides obv-scum quadz, let's discuss VV. What do you think about him?

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

That's not a discussion; that's a throw-away comment that would never be referenced again by anyone other than you as a callback to your opinion at the time. Really, I just offered you a chance to work on building something and engaging in the sort of dialogue you claimed to want and you just brushed me off.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

Baltar, actually I came to the same conclusion but apparently backwards; he was really lurky as town in Road to Wrestlemania; had 36 total posts over the course of 100+ pages (and he was alive for at least five days plus there was the RR pre-game phase where he had several posts) but he had real good reads when he did post in regards to GMan, Sotty, and AV. He's already got 20 posts in one day of this game and it's much more banging random things together than the good postings of RtW which makes me think opposite alignment which in this case would be scum.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

Magua, DDD:

Agree or disagree with this statement: "A player with over 3 faith N1 who worships one or both of Justice or Balance should claim their domains and N1 faith."

Disagree in that I've already stated I'm exceedingly disinclined to scumhunt by guessing game. For example, what if scum have a good PR in those categories as well; thus even if ooba is town they might be willing to power those categories up just to use it for their own ends. Thus the distinction (low faith = ooba-town) you provided later has too many possible exceptions to be a really worthwhile avenue to pursue.

@Mod, Vote Count Plz

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

Incidentally I'm still in support of a quadz lynch I'm just waiting to vote so we can get as much out of this abbreviated day as possible. Basically I can't find a pro-town motivation for neighborizing when you have the option of protecting / blocking with multiple players claiming interesting things on D1.

If indeed there is Fate somehwere in the DA hydra I will commit to a policy lynch if the caps lock and such comes out as I'm annoyed he snuck into the game at all due to being on my personal blacklist.

I don't care for VPB's unwillingness to answer a straight question with a straight answer.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

VOTE: quadz08

Deal, as long as there's no singing and somebody kills Fate-hydra tonight.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

Can anyone tell me anything about Magua as a player? Like is he a lot better known than I think he is because I had never seen his name mentioned before this game; has he played in any/several Vi games before? Any sort of information along those lines would be appreciated.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

I’m going to assume for now that NS or anyone else isn’t going to counterclaim VPB and be glad that Baltar likely isn’t scum because I was having issues with trusting him. I think some of the other personalities in the game make both of us change our personalities in different ways and it has been making our long standing experience with each other less useful than it otherwise is.

I think DA’s name claim of myself is pandering or just a joke because maybe I’m crazy but I swear I saw a breadcrumb that had me thinking he was someone else.

I think both ooba and I would probably like a Magua name-claim; no claiming of domains, casts, abilities, or alignment. Just a name; I think we’re seeing the same thing and I at least would like to slide Magua into the town side of things for sure after the VPB inquisition.

Magna’s 1104 is just a terrible, terrible argument given that I’m pretty sure I did the exact same thing and I know my alignment is town.

I thought about asking a question about players having identical domains but I think the topic is too mod-wifomy and will distract from actual scum-hunting.

Plum’s attempt to paint VPB as a SK instead of town is hysterical to me though it did at least let me think about the ability from multiple perspectives. I guess there could be unnamed limitations to the ability but to give a SK the ability to basically cut the day down to nothing and at a minimum in half multiple times would just destroy the town in comical fashion. This game is going to be so much easier now that I actually feel comfortable riding VPB’s coattails.

VOTE: MagnaofIllusion

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

I think both ooba and I would probably like a Magua name-claim; no claiming of domains, casts, abilities, or alignment. Just a name; I think we’re seeing the same thing and I at least would like to slide Magua into the town side of things for sure after the VPB inquisition.

I also utterly fail to see how a nameclaim will help make you feel any better about me.

No Magua, I'm not going to tell you what I am or am not looking for.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

No Magua, I'm not going to tell you what I am or am not looking for.

k then.

Do you think ooba is town?

No, I'm appealing to a player I think is scum for an assist, what do you think?

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

tl, dr: Elaborate more.

Do you think ooba is town?

Yes.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

@DDD - can you expand on what you said about other personalities in this game messing with our reads of each other. I don't quite understand.

Two things come to mind; the first is the quality of the overall player list in general which makes me slide into the background which you don't like and it makes it harder for me to see you winning easy town points (like the chesskid town read in RtW which was a great early indicator for me). The second is Fate's presence where you go into obnoxious mode yourself sometimes and I have absolutely no idea how to read that and when he's posting it's motivation destroying for me and mostly I spend my time wishing he would die.

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Also, agreed that Magua's Mod-WIFOM is a miss.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

I'm not claiming yes or no until DDD tries to guess them.

I am saddened he thinks I fake-claimed his name just for teh lulz ;_;

I am curious as to who he thinks I crumbed earlier (why are you even looking for things like that?)

-Demon

1) If he is High Priest of DDD he doesn't have soloism as one of his domains; I'm pretty confident in that fact.

2) Yeah, you'd never do anything like that; you're a straight shooter with a conservative style to match.

3) Do you usually italicize half of a random word for funsies? I saw emphasis where I see no reason for emphasis and made the logical jump.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

MoI and Plum’s comments just remind me of don_johnson at his most paranoid and crazy; when everything is going wrong he’ll say anything. We get it, VPB might be a SK but that’s a big assumption in and of itself and his survival either way depends on listening to the town and/or killing scum. I think MoI needs to die first because he seems willing and able to screw things up at night.

Other scum is probably one of the sides of RayFrost/Parama with a decent side chance of NS depending on what he shows since showing up again.

Can we get our night action plan posted again to make sure everyone sees it?

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

I could just be on crazy pills too.

These things aren't mutually exclusive either. I can't say VPB's argument makes much sense to me as Magua came straight at you and not at RayFrost or NS or anyone else but no harm in waiting for him to confirm either way.

Regardless of that fact if I had bullets NS would be eating one because the one time he showed up on D1 isn't enough to override the entire rest of the game.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

I like the part where MoI is a sinking ship but completely refuses to vote; how helpful is that if he's town. I mean there's even been calls for counter-wagons on Plum and yet no vote from him; basically at this point you've (or at least I do) got to consider that to be the equivalent of a "I'm okay with you guys lynching me" sign. All talk, no action.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

Well then you don't believe me and are wrong.

I've posted the description (paraphrased, of course) already.

This is just you looking for any excuse to justify the lazy read along with everyone else on my wagon. Noted.

Oh indeed, I'm sure you missed that lovely long post where I dissected our unwary dead scum and you turned up the most promising looking connections.

But whatever. I don't know why you're avoiding my wagon but the hell you would be as Town in this position. Instead of rambling around muttering things about not being survivalist, you'd size things up. You'd figure that I may be Townish but I'm not obvTown, that you know your own role, and that if it came down to it as far as you know I'm a better lynch than you are. Instead you're worried about people calling you survivalist scum.

And especially now you think I'm lazy person trying to excuse my recent suspicions of you. You'd say the hell with it, that's not Townish, she has a better chance of being scum than me and I can try to convince people that she is a better lynch, which as far as I know she is.

This.

Go back to active lurking. You do that well.

Thanks.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

Go back to active lurking. You do that well.

Thanks.

VOTE: DDD

This way I am a 'Good Town' using my vote.

You ignore every single bit of actually game relevant information I said in response to your pointless post and did this.

Well Plum dismantled the primary response about survivalism hence the quoting. The rest of your one-liners were so off-base they didn't strike me as worthwhile to respond to, but hey why not.

Supplying a list of reads is hardly being the paragon of townieness; Hito supplied a convenient list of reads and yet was scum. Seriously did you take lessons at the quadz school of Mafia for Beginners when you made that point? The whining about the quadz misread being the primary driver of your wagon ignores the SK-obsession which I feel is the more significant point as well. Beyond that you also whined at me about content to which I shrug.

Man, that was important stuff to address.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

VOTE: Nobody Special

Scum claim is might scummy.

High Priest of Ythill
Justice / Syncretism
Neutral Good

Only abilities and casts for me
1) Peacemaker (not THAT kind of Peacemaker) - Neighborize someone during the next night
1) Dayvig - Delays flips until end of next night (takes effect next day)
2) Nightwig - Delays flips until end of next night (takes effect the night used)
3) Werebeer - Targer will be immune to all kills but any action they take will be blocked
6) Harmony (Harmony OH LOVE) - Submit a list of less than half of all living players, any kills they make tonight will be blocked.

Very mediocre abilities mean that I've worshipped Justice each night.

DA is next so I can see whatsup.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

EBWOP: Only worships and casts for me, no abilities.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

What all did you do mayne?

If this is directed at me, learn to read?

Also while I'm paranoid about RF since our domains completely overlap he has supplied the proper number of faith available to our domains previously.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

RayFrost and DDD claimed the same Domains (hahahaha Ythill and I have the same domains or what I am

rolling

).

I'm not inclined to believe there are two Townies with identical domains.

The question becomes are you really less than half the mafia player I hear you are and are pathetically playing out guess the mod here or if you're just scum fishing for an easy lynch.

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2) Debonair Danny DiPietro - Needs to claim Faith totals

Like I said, Ray already claimed accurately, but to verify...
N1 - 2
N2 - 4
N3 - 3

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

The question becomes are you really less than half the mafia player I hear you are and are pathetically playing out guess the mod here or if you're just scum fishing for an easy lynch.

No need to resort to insults.

If you play in a fashion that needs insulting, you'll get insulted.

Now that we are massclaiming, I want to analyze what information we've gotten and formulate questions based on that information.

I'm not yet sure what, if anything, two identical domain-claims might indicate

. But the fact that I'm questioning assumptions based on being able to see more of the picture is a good thing, not a bad thing.

Backtracking...

I'm not inclined to believe there are two Townies with identical domains.

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I didn't see you complaining when I started speculating Tigers' dead domains compared with NS' claimed domains either.

I must've missed that; color me further unimpressed in that case.

Lastly, why did you not claim Faith totals initially? Why did you choose Justice to Worship each Night?

I did; I claimed that RayFrost accurately stated the faith available to our domains each night. Have you seen my casts? I worshiped N0 because they were all bad to mediocre for the town and then on D1 ooba asked for Justice casts and I figured I'd boost that for him since town-read and I need six to use my one good cast and since I've yet to have six on a given night I've been boosting him ever since.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

Not inclined to believe something means I don't think it's

likely

and that should be a major consideration as we continue to gather and act on information. While I'm not sure what it indicates, it may well indicate something amiss. You yourself claimed some degree of paranoia regarding RF because your claimed domains are identical.

Sure I'm paranoid about that like I'm paranoid about a bunch of things, but notice I never put logic aside to play the mod-WIFOM game. Sure it itched at me but since I had no better reason to believe Ray-scum I didn't push it beyond a mention of said paranoia.

You on the other hand unvoted scum-NS and gave a defined opinion on the matter, "I'm not inclined to believe there are two Townies with identical domains." You can try to spin that however you like but everyone reading knows that means, "I think at least one of these two players is scum based solely on mod-WIFOM" and then once I called you out on that you changed it to, "Well I'm not sure what it means".

I'm pretty sure everyone is going to see right through your spin and see the bolded truth.

My question lies with your choice of Night 1 domain Worship. Why choose Justice?

N1 was an easy choice, a town read of mine in ooba called to power up Justice and/or Balance and thus I complied while also powering up another pro-town player in myself by worshipping Justice.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

Actually all parama has is confirmation that Plum's alignment is not chaotic or neutral; there's no confirmation as far as I can tell that scum are only chaotic and/or evil and making that assumption would seem to make the game extremely easy to break.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

EBWOP: Actually all parama has is confirmation that Plum's alignment is not chaotic or evil; there's no confirmation as far as I can tell that scum are only chaotic and/or evil and making that assumption would seem to make the game extremely easy to break.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

4) Noted - You may investigate a player and determine their

alignment

. If you investigate an evil or chaotic player you will recieve a guilty even if they are not guilty.

My alignment is neutral good, my allegiance is town; as far as I can parse he's going to get guilties on chaotic and/or evil players and town on everyone else which tells me nothing about their ALLEGIANCE, just about their alignment.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

Curious to hear from Ray why DA isn't dead when he certainly had enough faith to make it so.

I had six faith last night and used my big ability; I'm going to assume ooba's suicide was just kill flavor and not an actual suicide of any sort. Unless I was blocked myself that kill did not come from DA, AGM, Faraday, or Sotty/Zach because they were the four people I blocked the kills of last night.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

Really? You chose to neighborize (even permanently) over a vig kill or to investigate someone's allegiance? Really?

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

VOTE: DA

We pretty much know he lied; we don't know who is lying between Ray and Parama but hopefully another night will clarify things for us.

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

Appreciate getting to play despite the fact that my play was not good after quadz was dead; at least I know again that I don't need to play any large theme games again until the next one with a Road to Wrestlemania type post restriction or maybe get suckered into another Vi game with an interesting setup and player list.

I also appreciate being a role in the game; when polled the player who knows me best independently agreed those were the propers domains for me, I would argue balance would've fit as well as either of them but those were very accurate; at least four of "my" casts also make me smirk in approval and the kill flavor is a fun if pretty obscure P&T reference (I would've gone with death via nail gun personally.)

[Debonair Danny DiPietro]

To be fair, Fate probably didn't actively do anything

this

game to be blacklisted. Conversely,

I'll be blunt. I find you irresponsible, irrepressible, obnoxious, and a legitimate threat to Town in any game you're in.

is completely accurate and I still have a post saved in the drafts of my inbox asking for replacement in this game that I previewed at least three times in this thread on day two because he is still on my blacklist.