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So um guys. I'm on page 7. I'd give my current reads on stuff from way back there, but my reads would be so change-y that I'd rather just stick with reading. For the quick version of the reads I've got: you guys should be voting one of VV, Duplicity, or... VV.
Not going to vote until I'm one reading.
Salutations to MoI, though. By the by, I feel like breadcrumbing for no reason. Isn't that just peachy? I won't, though. No point. Breadcrumbs may come later, though. Be on the lookout... or something. Content may come within the next 24 hours too. Maybe. Depends on the weather (I wish I was speaking in a figurative sense here....).don't you feel silly now?-
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Demonic Angel wrote:RayFrost wrote:Guys, quadz is town.
Discuss.
Impossible.
Needs no further discussion.
Guys, this guy's scum. thought I'd let you know along with a progress update: page 11, parama's town, magua's town, MoI's town-ish, Plum is town, sotty is town, VV is scum, katsuki is possible but really more null scum, gamma is town, equinox is town.... You get the idea. A lot of town reads, very few scum reads.don't you feel silly now?-
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Vote: DemonicAngel
People that shouldn't be dying even if someone claims daycop with a guilty result (hint: the daycop's scum): MoI, Equinox, VPB, Magua, Hito, Gamma
People that are town but not nearly as clearly obvious ubar town as the above: Faraday, DDD, Quadz, Mothrax (mothrax is town due to associative tells based off of those voting him rather than his individual play), Parama, sotty, plum
Scum that should be lynched even if someone claims daycop with an innocent on them: D[ark]A[rts], VV, AGM
People that are scum but not nearly as clearly obvious ubar scum as the above: singer, nicki minaj
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I'm too lazy to go grab the posts, but...:
His push toward DDD seems highly unreasonable for scum to do. His points (though wrong) don't feel contrived in that regard, and the conviction he put into his case there doesn't have the urgency or flailing aspect to it that would be likely to come from scum that's so close to being sent to the grave. His posts lack the cornered feel that I'd expect scum to have when run up so far, and I honestly didn't understand the original suspicion on him in the first place.don't you feel silly now?-
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Magua wrote:I want to wait for Quadz's answers about my questions on Parama, but I'll hijack this to say that here:
RayFrost wrote:People that are scum but not nearly as clearly obvious ubar scum as the above: singer, nicki minaj
You are dead wrong. Both of these are town. Please stop being wrong in the future.
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AlmasterGM wrote:It should absolutely be allowed to be posted, in my opinion. The only reason it wouldn't be postable was if it was considered "out of game communication," in which case it should have been a modkill. That didn't happen, which makes it postable. But I'll wait and see.
This needs to be said:
THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO GAME-RELATION OF THAT PM TO THIS GAME, MAKING THE QUESTIONS, ANALYSIS AND/OR READS BASED OFF OF ITS EXISTENCE STUPID AND UNRELIABLE. FURTHER USE OF THE PM IN QUESTION FOR THIS PURPOSE WILL LEAD TO A SCUM READ.
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Equinox wrote:RayFrost wrote:THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO GAME-RELATION OF THAT PM TO THIS GAME, MAKING THE QUESTIONS, ANALYSIS AND/OR READS BASED OFF OF ITS EXISTENCE STUPID AND UNRELIABLE. FURTHER USE OF THE PM IN QUESTION FOR THIS PURPOSE WILL LEAD TO A SCUM READ.
Seeing as you have the biggest culprits of this in your town lists, I take it you don't have a problem with people using it in the last 26 pages?
I don't recall anybody saying what I just said about the PM, soo... not really. It's kinda like the flavor speculation in OoT mafia where I came in and told everybody to stfu about it. Except using this PM as a method for supporting / weakening a read actually is a tell on the players themselves. My stating in the big size is essentially the stfu about it post. People not stfu-ing about it = scumtell because it's not game related.
@ Katscum: Disagree. PM'ing a player about not-game-related stuff is not-game-related. It'd be like me telling equinox my scum meta based off of [inert recently completed games]... except it (the PM mothrax sent) is actuallylessrelevant. (Random fact: I actuallydidtalk with equinox about this and point out my tells in a real AIM conversation once, though the only game we were in together at the time is one we were hydra'ing in)don't you feel silly now?-
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Gammagooey wrote:RayFrost wrote:His push toward DDD seems highly unreasonable for scum to do. His points (though wrong) don't feel contrived in that regard, and the conviction he put into his case there doesn't have the urgency or flailing aspect to it that would be likely to come from scum that's so close to being sent to the grave. His posts lack the cornered feel that I'd expect scum to have when run up so far, and I honestly didn't understand the original suspicion on him in the first place.
Umm. I disagree?
If I was scum in quad's position I'd find DDD at least a decent target- nobody's posting about him so it would be "scumhunting" on someone who hasn't gotten much attention, people can't really argue with the fact that DDD hasn't given much content like they can with "I think his posts are legit townz cause etc.", and he isn't likely to explode with content and make his read look shitty in the near future.
DDD isn't someone I'd consider a good target or reasons I'm not sure you considered: 1. DDD is an active player, even if he isn't a prolific poster, 2. DDD has yet to display :badlogic:, 3. there are numerous other people that have lacking content. I'd consider the fact eople haven't really attacked DDD and are essentially considering him town-ish to make him a roughly equal target with, say, seraphim. Neither seem particularly reasonable targets if you're going to push, especially when there are easier targets like NS, mothrax, AGM, katsuki, etc to attack if you're going to be scum looking for an "easy target" (Note because I just realized that someone might be dumb enough to make this argument: I am not saying that any of the people who are in the "Easy target" list are town - just that they'd be easy to attack without much suspicion if you chose to do it, regardless of the target's alignment).
G[reat]G[oomba] wrote:RayFrost wrote:To be honest, I didn't have any kind of real read on him when I posted my "Quadz is town. Discuss."
Discuss.
*shrugs*
:thumbs up:
Sticky Rays wrote:As a final note I giggled at this.
Ray Charles wrote:People that shouldn't be dying even if someone claims daycop with a guilty result (hint: the daycop's scum):Gamma
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Demonic Angel wrote:RayFrost wrote:
@ Katscum: Disagree. PM'ing a player about not-game-related stuff is not-game-related. It'd be like me telling equinox my scum meta based off of [inert recently completed games]... except it (the PM mothrax sent) is actuallylessrelevant. (Random fact: I actuallydidtalk with equinox about this and point out my tells in a real AIM conversation once, though the only game we were in together at the time is one we were hydra'ing in)
Except, said PM was a result of in-game actions.
We are not talking about casual conversations such as AIM. We are talking about a PM that directly stemmed through game events.
Your response to Equinox was also extremely weak.
Erm, no. Mothrax specifically said that he sent a PM with no relation to game events. Unless we're talking about another PM that happened that wasn't mentioned?
I fail to see what about my response to equi was weak. Nobody said "THIS IS STUPID, STFU ABOUT IT" - as a result, speculation surrounding it is just a stupidity indicator, not a scumtell. It's now going to be a scumtell if it happens.
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Wait, katsuki knows town-Ray outside of replacing into a shitty game town Ray? I didn't know this.
I'm dismissing the M because I misunderstood the context of the PM - my memory is that it had no relation to game-events (as per what mothrax said). If this is untrue, go balls to the wall using it. If it's true, then it's immediately not game relevant and, well... you know what I think on that.
Hito's wall posting follows a very distinct style that I've got moderate meta for (he does it as both town and scum, but... there are differences). His style of posting here is actually a town level of clarity and confidence. His desire to dive into the setup speculation also reads town: this is one of his habits, though I don't know if it's a town and scum habit.
VPB's holding back here doesn't feel scummy to me. I'll give you more when he gives me more. Trust and peace.
MoI's read.... I'll let you know later.
Plum's postings are actually really good. I was with her in MoCo to see her thought processes, and her thinking here doesn't ring of the same flow as her thoughts there.
DDD's an instinctual read.
AGM's "GO GO MOTHRAX, IGNORE EVERYONE ELSE, MOTHRAX MUST DIE" style just rings hollow to me. Obv not fakeclaiming, but not necessarily going for our best interests here. I really don't think he is, and I find his lack of high contributions elsewhere even after he's caught up to be suspect. I fail to see the validity of point b for discrediting or countering my belief here, though I may be misunderstanding it.don't you feel silly now?-
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sottyrulez wrote:The thing I really dislike about Singer is the issue she made about the Mothrax PM which arguably lead to the modkill. I can't help but think that was deliberate.
Vote: Quadz
He's scum too.
Erm. What?
Singer didn't make a big deal: AGM, demonic angels, and myself, IIRC, were the main people discussing it at the time the mod team came to a decision. Singer at most paid lip service to the topic, while AGM and DA were pushing heavily on it having an impact on the game.
I fail to see why you don't find them suspect and choose to instead single out SS.
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ooba wrote:Quadz is def. scum - meta reasons - totally different vibe in another game
Vote: QuadzAlso we need to work out a method for revealing N0 worship and checking out yesterday's faith results. For this to give us the most info, we should have every player reveal N0 worship before we start talking about faith for various combinations on N1.
I suggest popcorn* since it's faster than combining different people's scum lists to come up with claim order. (Day has started at 50%)
*Meaning the first person is selected randomly and he chooses the next person to claim N0 worship
I disagree with choosing the first person randomly. This doesnotmaximize the benefit to town by minimizing the benefit to perceived scum. It's better to vote on who should reveal and work from there.
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VP Baltar wrote:Hrm...this is going to be a short game at this rate.
Vote:quadzobv scum is still scum.
Ok, I got fully caught up over night. I got very strong town reads onRay, Seraphim, Faraday and substantial town reads on Sottyrulez, DDD and Gamma.
I thinkhitoandPlumlook pretty damn scummy and I'd be willing to lynch them after quadz is dead. Signer I'm up in the air on because I kind of feel like she is paying lip service to the quadz wagon after it got serious backing. One of MoI and VV is probably scum, but I'm leaning the latter in this case. Reserving the rest of my reads until I feel more comfortable making those calls.
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VP Baltar wrote:@Ray - It makes no sense for you to have not found the thread for so long if you were scum because your role PM would have had a scumdaytalk QT linkand your buddies would have told you to post before you did.
Also, it seems that a modkill would be enough punishment for a modkill. And besides, battery being reduced today is no biggie since we know quadz is scum. Power lynch.
Where did you get this from?
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Scumslip? VP, that was bad. Like really, really bad. There's NO statement ANYWHERE of daytalk.
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By the above, I want to clarify: there's no confirmation by the mod of the existence of daytalk, yet VP acts as if it is a 100% guaranteed thing in his post (he's basing avery strong town readoff of this - that's a lot of confidence to put into something that's just undetermined by the mod). This is the reason I feel it is a scumslip. I may be wrong, but... come on.don't you feel silly now?-
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Vi wrote:
5.Maybe.Can the Mafia talk to each other during the Day?
Says it here, but yeh.
You don't scumslip, you're right. I'll walk on by this, but I don't really feel that your point is valid. I've had instances where I've been scum, not known about the game thread, and ended up being prodded (like I was here) before I even realized the game was open. By the by, the game I'm recalling this from happens to be MoCo. Soooooo... yeah. Got any valid reasons for finding me town, or is that it? If that's it, it seems a bit of a stretch to call me a "strong" town read of any kind.
Also, you didn't explain the hito / plum scum reads. Please do so. Now, preferably.
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Mmmkmay, makes sense.
Can you tell me why quadz is scummier than them if you have meta and the like to support your cases? Not really following the <I don't agree with it, but it makes sense logic> of those two in contrast with the <I don't agree with it, and I have trouble even following it logic> of quadz-case. Might be due to the fact nobody's laid out a perfectly neat case for me. I have difficulty reading between the lines.
Aside from that, I really do think I'm going to end up with an overflow of town reads this game. I'm not sure if I'm happy about that.don't you feel silly now?-
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Faraday wrote:RayFrost wrote:DA is amazing. MoIscum, Rayfrostscum, quadzscum, and hitoscum all caught!
Now we just needsomething even remotely resembling a valid case... or a case at all... hell, I'd settle for some content, and this game's over. Amirite or amirite.
No. We don't need cases. We just need scumlynches. Help us actually achieve one.
Yeah, we need scumlynches, but of course you know quadz is scum thanks to your telepathic knowledge, amirite? REASONING IS PRO-TOWN.
I'm afraid that, unlike you, I can't read minds, so you'll have to actually explain how quadz is scum rather than just saying "quadz is scum."
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Demonic Angel wrote:Faraday wrote:RayFrost wrote:Before I forget:
Vote: Faraday
Are you scum or just this bad at the game? I'm not entirely sure. We're lynching quadz today don't stop the inevitable.
Read his D1 stuff.
Then read everyothertownray game there has ever been.
You have absolutely no fucking knowledge of my play, do you? Are you basing your meta here off of WoW mafia or OoT mafia, katsuki? Or is it mystery hydra head x?
How about we go in reverse. Read my D1 stuff.
Then read every scumray game there has ever been.
By the way, because I feel like splitting hairs, the bolded can be considered a scumslip.don't you feel silly now?-
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Demonic Angel wrote:Yeah someday.
I think I've only ever written one case on MS before. And that was only to try and impress Flay.
"I deliberately make it impossible for anybody to ever follow my thought process and make sure that I provide a bare minimum of valuable posting cuz I feel like it"
Why the fuck didn't AGM choose you to policy lynch?
ooba: I've no desire to trawl through your games to find the one you're referencing and read it. Meta's a flimsy excuse to proclaim from the rooftops that someone is scum when you also happen to be unable to actually explain the meta to anybody. Use stuff from in this game for scumtells please.don't you feel silly now?-
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Demonic Angel wrote:quadz08 wrote:... You're an idiot. Just fyi.
First, didn't have the Faith to vig. Only got 3.
Second, didn't have anyone worth doctoring. Might as well prevent the mislynch.
quadz08 wrote:Jeebus. Look, the only player I thought likely to get hit was NM-town (and that's only because of the claim), and I was far from sure that NM was town. Besides, my doc is also an RB, and in a game like this, RBinganybodycould be bad news. [
So instead of potentially preventing a kill, he is more concerned with trying to make himself appear more townie by neighborizing someone.
HOW THE FUCK IS THAT TRAIN OF THOUGHT IN ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM TOWN?
TRYING TO PREVENT KILLS IS TOWN.
TOWN DO NOT WORRY ABOUT HOW TO MAKE THEMSELVES APPEAR MORE TOWN.
Not to mention that rb excuse is weak as shit, considering his role states that it is only conditional.
So instead of potentially roleblocking a pro-town power, he is more concerned with preventing a mislynch and finding by neighborizing someone.
HOW THE FUCK IS THAT TRAIN OF THOUGHT IN ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM SCUM?
TRYING TO FIND SCUMA ND PREVENT MISLYNCHES IS TOWN.
TOWN WORRIES ABOUT FINDING SCUM.
Not to mention that you've still not said anything about his play that's scummy aside from going "lolfakeclaim."
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Faraday wrote:RayFrost wrote:DA is amazing. MoIscum, Rayfrostscum, quadzscum, and hitoscum all caught!
Now we just needsomething even remotely resembling a valid case... or a case at all... hell, I'd settle for some content, and this game's over. Amirite or amirite.
Scum get like this when they feel they're caught 'for the wrong reasons (lol no reason'. Are you scum Ray?
Town get like this when they feel people are being fucking retarded, too. Amazing, I know. I also know you wish I was scum and all, but... my role PM disagrees. Hate to break your heart like that, faraday.don't you feel silly now?-
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Demonic Angel wrote:EBWOP: And certain people (coughquadzcough) try to use the replacing thing to label me as "not playing the game"to call me scum.
Quoting the only DA post that can be seen as stating a reason quadz is scum.
Out of 45 posts.
Aside from this, DA actually has three posts for MoI.
That makes 4 / 45. Little bit less than 1/9 of the posting.
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Nobody Special wrote:@RayFrost: Tell me why I should believe you're town.
> Read my posts
> Determine for yourself that I'm brilliant
> ????
> PROFIT
The four step guide to figuring me out.
Now... when was the last time you listed your scum reads?
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Demonic Angel wrote:RayFrost wrote:Now... when was the last time you listed your scum reads?
Unvote, Vote: Demonic Angel- I believe faraday's just trolling at this point. His play makes no sense to me otherwise, but I honestly can't get a handle on my read of him until I feel certain he's not doing this shit deliberately..
My iso states who I've thought are scum over the entire course of this game quite clearly. Though, they sometimes involve you reading them in context with the game.
But that vote."I'mma vote DA while fate isn't posting and when I can bully Kats because I think Faraday is dodgy"WUT?
Because screaming "X IS SCUM" without providing evidence is very useful, yes.
.... What? 1) didn't know fate was in the hydra, 2) my faraday commentary is explaining why I'm less certain about him than I am about you - nothing to do with my scum read (hint: my scum read's pointed out by my summary of your iso)don't you feel silly now?-
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So anyway, is anybody else in that hydra actually up to date and posting something worth a damn, or is it all silent hill in your QT? This is relevant to my read of you, by the way.
Erm, you saying "i r referenced him many many tiems" without pointing the posts out where you do so hardly counts as invalidating my argument. Evidence, not hearsay.don't you feel silly now?-
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How nice of you guys to hammer when we have at least two players that've posted nearly nothing this game day. Lovely bit of rushing a lynch without trying to maximize the content quantity. In the case that quadz flips town, I'd like a doughnut. A chocolate one with frosting.
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Seraphim wrote:We love you GG. We'll string up more scum in your honor and hang their entrails from the rafters to avenge your death.
SS(especially) and hito's flip implies that they KNEW that quadz was going to hang today and were trying to salvage some town cred and clear SS. So I seriously that anyone left in the pro-quadz camp is scum, given that at 3/(4 or 5)ths was anti-quadz yesterday. I just feel like the remaining scum(s) was A. on the wagon or B. somewhere between the two camps.
Of course, it's highly possible that I'm completely wrong but given that we suddenly have three scum flips...I don't think they would put all their eggs in one basket.
I could see Plum scum.
But no one vote RayFrost for now please. Seriously. I have VERY good reasons.
You have the blessings of the sky father for this post. For the really realz.
Anyway... not buying the plum hate for the moment, but I admit to having bias based upon [redacted] caused by [redacted].
Parama, didn't you say you had a case somewhere n that head of yours? If so, eel free to, I dunno... post it sometime. In the meantime, have a healthy bowl of blatant OMGUS.Vote: Paramadon't you feel silly now?-
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I think that the stuff regarding being split apart makes sense, especially considering that the hard-defense by hito really doesn't make sense if they knew about each other: bus hard those you feel are going to die in your team. That's the only way to play.
By the by, I don't follow the VP hate. I really can't see VP-scum pushing extremely hard onthree separate tigersto the extent he did. IguessI could see VP-SK, but I don't see any arguments for that, so it's moot.don't you feel silly now?-
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Well, I have a bias that makes me want plum to stay alive. One I don't want to delve into.
To be honest, I'm finding it difficult to analyze things when there was the push on quadz and then two tiger kills. I just highly doubt the mod would allow scum cross kills, and I could account for one with a SK, but that would require at least two town vig abilities. That said, I can't tell which would be which, as kill flavors lack any consistency.
I still really dislike DA, but I'm on the fence regarding it being the fact katsuki's just a bad player or katsuki being scum this game. Fate's a hard person for me to read despite my siable games with him because his meta is so completely artificial. Everything in me screams they are scum, but I can't find myself really wanting to fight it out in thread. The thought of engaging in a huge fight with fate just makes me want to replace out now. Dealing with him ishellish.
With other players like faraday and parama, I just can't read them. They provide virtually nothing, but faraday pushed for scum and parama's... parama. I've played with him before, and he feels town. That doesn't make my aggravation with him any less as he seems to be deliberately trying to minimize his usefulness for who knows what reason. I've seen parama make cases. He's not doing that here, so I really want to at least see his case on me to know he's actually doing something here and not just blowing smoke up my ass.
With AGM, he's null through and through because I don't feel he's really given me much to go off of.
NS needs to post, magua seems town, sotty seems town, seraphim seems town, and MoI I forget my read on right now. DDD needs to post moar before I feel like I can say something either way.
Note that I wrote this while looking at the opening post. I may end up iso-ing DDD / MoI at some point, but I don't feel like it right now.don't you feel silly now?-
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VP Baltar wrote:I think there are better places to vote than Parama. We have three Tigers dead and I'd like to see some analysis from you regarding that. If you're lazy now, that's cool, but I'd like to see a post when you're not. Basically, you were in the group saying quadz couldn't be scum yesterday when his actions were so obv. scum. I particularly don't like that from you because I trust your scum hunting gut calls like I trust Amished's. So, I need you to either reassure me you're town here (which Parama vote isn't doing) or die a fiery death.
I didn't say he couldn't be, I just failed to see any logic behind the push on him. I felt he was town, and I didn't see people making an argument for otherwise that was different from "cuz he's scum. duh."
Contrary to popular opinion, RayFrost can't read minds to understand the logic behind things he disagrees with.
Parama's actually a good place to vote for the time being.
I'm flattered by the comparison to Amished, but keep in mind that my strength lies in m scum play, not my town play. My town play is thoroughly mediocre in results and efficacy.don't you feel silly now?-
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Faraday wrote:RayFrost wrote:
With other players like faraday and parama, I just can't read them. They provide virtually nothing
what the fuck is this shit
You've got 141451242 one liners, but I hardly think that gems like these:
Faraday wrote:Nicki Minaj wrote:Stop interfering with my attempts to role-fish, Faraday.
Seriously, there is a reason I'm asking this question.
I asked mine for a reason too.
Faraday wrote:Oh come now. Everyone makes mistakes. That's a relief though.
Faraday wrote:No reason to believe you'd lie about the mix-up. Thus your vote is no longer scummy.
Faraday wrote:Although I guess I don't see Mina-scum asking the question about Evil Aligned players. But then your refusing to answer my question is scummy. I dunno.
Show the hit and miss quality of your posts. There's a splice of "not saying a fucking thing" and "says something" but none of it has any sort of oomph to it that makes me feel like I can read it as something other than null.don't you feel silly now?-
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VP Baltar wrote:Ray wrote:I'm flattered by the comparison to Amished, but keep in mind that my strength lies in m scum play, not my town play. My town play is thoroughly mediocre in results and efficacy.
And when I was scum with you in MoCo you said the opposite didn't you? I don't get it.
That was before MoCo. This is after.
It's also after the newbie game I got (slightly unjustly) nom'd for.
It's also after hydra mafia.don't you feel silly now?-
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Faraday wrote:Hito's wall posting follows a very distinct style that I've got moderate meta for (he does it as both town and scum, but... there are differences). His style of posting here is actually a town level of clarity and confidence. His desire to dive into the setup speculation also reads town: this is one of his habits, though I don't know if it's a town and scum habit.
^^^^ literally the worst reason to call someone town. it's based on an apparent love of set-up speculation (lol? why is that townie for ANYONE?). what in particular made you so sure hito was town, ray?
Posts like these and these made me have :good feelings: about him. He makes his argument and admits the flaws in them. I'm a sucker for "X y and z support me, though I do admit to biases a, b, and c when making these arguments" because it's how I think about my own arguments.don't you feel silly now?-
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Faraday wrote:RayFrost wrote:
Show the hit and miss quality of your posts. There's a splice of "not saying a fucking thing" and "says something" but none of it has any sort of oomph to it that makes me feel like I can read it as something other than null.
that's 3/idk how many one liners, and the nicki minaj point was valid, so I'm not even sure what you're talking about.
i'm done with you, you can die after plum.
You clearly didn't read what I said properly. HIT AND MISS.
You've got valid points and then you also have worthless fluff. Yet you act like everyfuckingthing you've posted is a gem of brilliance. Either you'retryingto be aggravating, or you've really had a change in style since we hydra'd together.don't you feel silly now?-
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VP Baltar wrote:@ Ray -Faraday is town. Move on. Your gut reads have already been shown to be bad this game, perhaps its time to consider things in a wider light. I'm seriously giving you huge benefit of the doubt this game.
My gut reads aren't even how I get scum in the first place as town. The fact I'm prone to completely changing my mind gets me killed early and then I don't have to worry about sweet fuck all. Seriously. It's what I go for.
"Wider light" = wut
Great, keep giving me the benefit. Also, random Q: would it be worthwhile for people to claim faith totals from last night? I've got thoughts that I want to share but am unsure about that regard faith stuff, so yeah.don't you feel silly now?-
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Faraday wrote:RayFrost wrote:
You've got valid points and then you also have worthless fluff. Yet you act like everyfuckingthing you've posted is a gem of brilliance. Either you'retryingto be aggravating, or you've really had a change in style since we hydra'd together.
i never said that, i tend to post whatever comes to mind really. i'm aware i've made a few spam posts but w/e they're short at least and i'm enjoying the game.yes, most of my posts are one liners. saying it's hard to get a read on me is sort of fucking ridiculous though or however you phrased it.
eh how often have you played with hito? he doesn't strike me as someone who would point out weaknesses in his own cases, from his play in storm of swords.
sotty, confirm/deny? you should have a more informed opinion on this that little old me.
I just have a different recollection of you from the one time we hydra'd together, but I guess that was a long time ago... and Ididflake out of that, so yeah. I'll readjust.
MoCo's my only recent-ish game with him.He didn't exactly post outside of when he was essentially cnf-town, so I suppose that wouldn't be a good meta basis. Ugh. I just remembered something that makes my entire basis on how to read hito crap. God my memory sucks.don't you feel silly now?-
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Parama wrote:RayFrost wrote:Parama wrote:Rayfrost be patient. I'm trying to see how long I can go before people notice that I haven't contributed anything to this game besides night actions.
I noticed d2. Do I not count as people anymore?
You're a snowman with a laser coming out of his chest. So no.
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I'd like to take a page from oGaM and suggest that the time is right for a massclaim ..RayFrost wrote:Great, keep giving me the benefit. Also, random Q: would it be worthwhile for people to claim faith totals from last night? I've got thoughts that I want to share but am unsure about that regard faith stuff, so yeah.
A page from what.
Also: details of the massclaim here? role name / domain / faith totals / actions / etc.
To be honest, I feel that people should decide re: actions but that role name, domain, and faith totals should be required.don't you feel silly now?-
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How about I make a case tomorrow. It's almost midnight here, and I'm exhausted, but I'm pretty sure I'll have the energy necessary to read this entire thread and give you a case. I'll just have to pretend that I'm replacing into the game for an impostor or something to give myself the motivation to read that much.
In the meantime, I'm not going to vote either of them for the time being.Unvote
My vote will go somewhere depending on a certain thing or few. Not bluffing or lying here. There's some stuff I'm waiting for.don't you feel silly now?-
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