American Gods Mafia - Game over

[ooba]

Re-reading the game starting in an hour .. Should take a couple of hours ..

[ooba]

Hey .. Re-read going slower than I anticipated .. Finished 10 pages .. Main points from my notes (If you want a particular point clarified i.e why I got that particular vibe, I'll point you out to the post(s) which did so)

- farside is scummy
- Agar and farside seem to be ignoring each other
- Agar and ani are probably not scum together
- want to see how WC-wolf interactions play out in the following pages

I would have also called Apok scummy but have seen the flips.

We're 1 day away from the deadline? I don't like either lynch - however would lynch Seacore over OGML if it came to it ..
Also see that we're sacrificing Saint for Apok .. Neutral on Saint based on what I've read ..

I'll read forward from D3 start and try to catch up on claims/cases ..

[ooba]

Upto Page 47 and am pretty sure sacrificing Saint is a good move. I'm not sure if Saint is a SK like people are predicting - mainly because I can see farside-Saint links ..
- Ignores the MoI vs Saint fight until people start supporting the Saint sacrifice
- Attacks KK (ignoring the fight; point 1) - "He's scum that we should use to bring back our town watcher." is a gem .. Pushing somebody else for a sacrifice ..

I'll

vote:farside

for now .. Can change my vote before deadline if required ..

[ooba]

Caught up ..

Do not believe Saint's claim of SK - I think he's going to flip Mafia ..
Seacore is town - because I really think a commuter fits if there is a SK (or) vig involved .. Plus vibe ..
Magna is either the SK (or) {Town who the Mafia think is SK}
KK and OGML are town
Particularly interesting are the reactions to Magna. I think scum initially try to push for a Magna lynching either thinking or knowing he's SK. The players who do this are:
- farside
- Locke
- GG

- 1293-1295 points out to the post where chesskid posts about a prime vig in MD
- Saint mentions rolecop
Both lead me to hypothesize that the Mafia might have a rolecop. And that they used it on Seacore.
Chesskid (aka GG) posts in MD after getting the rolecop result.

I hate that my top three suspects for scum are all in the BS together. I can potentially see a setup being elected to the BS giving some advantages to the scum team. I'm not sure if I can get enough people to vote and lynch farside by deadline but at the very least we can elect other people for the BS ..

elect: LynchMePls
elect: ooba
elect: Llama

Therefore my call: Saint is scum. At least two of {GG, farside, Locke} are scum.

[ooba]

It's not cheating .. I can see somebody seeing a rolecop result and later posting a prime related role without realizing that its not that common .. It's fresh in my mind so it occurs in my thoughts when thinking about roles ..

[ooba]

no I thought you meant like we were using it as a way to communicate results AS I SAID GOT EXCITED.

why don't you want to lynch kublai khan? also we're pretty obvtown here, people need to stop suspecting us.

Because farside pushed KK .. (and she's my no.1 suspect) ..

Addn: I think all the times I've played with Furc are town. I see a link between farside and Saint mainly because she ignored the fight and tried to get someone else sacrificed. That's the only reason I think he won't flip SK - because he and farside seem like scum together.

[ooba]

also your point is stupid, fucking no one gives credit for calling someone town. people act all retarded and go INSIDE INFO LOL

Then you're implying this entire prime-role incident is a remarkable coincidence?

Read that exchange .. It was null - didn't lean towards distancing or fake scumhunting on that one ..

[ooba]

it happened backstage >_>

No it didn't .. farside and Ythill argue about this for about 2 posts in thread ..

He's definately on my people's radar that were talking...

What was this sentence going to be before you changed your mind?

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Addn: Do what to a scumbuddy - I think Seacore is town? And I think we already clarified this wasn't cheating ..

[ooba]

so the case on us is that I'm stupid and will post something with prime-night in MD after getting a rolecop result of that?

waaaaaaaaaaaaat?
not to mention uh when did we rolecop him supposedly?
n2? when he was COMMUTING YOU DERP?

I spot farside links with Saint
Saint claims SK. Being any SK, he shouldn't have any links
Therefore don't buy the claim of SK - Saint is Mafia with farside
Usually Mafia attack vehemently if they think they've spotted of opposing evil alignment
Saint, Locke, farside & GG attack Magna - this looks like one scum team attacking another/or an SK
Hence my case that at least two of {Locke, farside, GG} are scum.

The prime-case is just me trying to tie in that coincidence to this. It is a pretty plausible explanation without invoking either stupidity or cheating: You read through your games/Role PMs/QTs earlier in the day. Later you're reading stuff on MD. Something which just recently entered your mind pops up and you post it ..

Note: This is just a hypothesis. This is not my "main" point. I still find that coincidence remarkable and thought I should point out a third possible explanation to KKs.

Also note that farside's scummy vibes from my first ten pages and farside ignoring the MoI vs Saint fight initially are the scummiest actions I've seen and that's why I push a farside lynch.

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he's a serial killer it's almost as plain as day. claiming SK as mafia is suicidal and stupid before lylo/mylo. he was always getting lynched today for it. ya.

He was already sacrificed when he claimed. (So there's nothing suicidal to it). Yes maybe he is a SK; I can also see a Mafia-ite claiming SK when he is already dead to draw out reactions ..

[ooba]

Hell .. Re-read the day again .. Maybe I'm wrong about farside and saint really is the SK

Anyway no way I'm hammering Seacore now ..

GG, I'm hammering your scumbuddy

Vote: OGML

[ooba]

Hell .. Re-read the day again .. Maybe I'm wrong about farside and saint really is the SK

Anyway no way I'm hammering Seacore now ..

GG, I'm hammering your scumbuddy

Vote: OGML

Too bad thats not a hammer. You said OGML was town in your catchup, can you move to Sea-scum now? Also you are saying that GG is apparently powerbussing his partner who has been suicidal for two days? Dont buy that. OMGL is prob-town, Sea is scum.

I have prob. town reads on both. However I don't think we can get a new lynch in time. Last thing we need is a non-flip day, particularly Saint. Needed to choose ..
- Saw who farside and Locke were voting for. OGML. farside with Seacore does make sense but would farside really take that big a risk for a partner for saying "lets not lynch and confirm his role.". Plus minmax kicked in - would rather be wrong about VT than a power role.
- The GG part of it is because he never mentions OGML in day three while he finds Seacore town, but when asked he would prefer Seacore over OGML??

Anyway I blame Locke for saying they're both at L-1 ..

[ooba]

So, the prime number thing was actually a complete coincidence. I wanted to claim my actual role, the one I'd breadcrumbed. But if I survived the claim, I didn't want to give the scum perfect knowledge of when I'd be vulnerable. I knew just claiming odds wouldn't work. So I looked at some other series that would. Fibonacci didn't. Prime did. I went with that.

Lol ..

Sorry GG ..

Also farside, I might be wrong about Saint so waiting for the flip ..

[ooba]

For what it's worth, I would prefer we see Seacore's flip (that was intended for any governor type role) ..

[ooba]

elect apok

Apok should have some results for us ..

[ooba]

Where are WC and Locke?

[ooba]

I'm about ready to bluntly ask my question. We have 1 more rez and Llama just rubs me wrong on too many levels not to ask this.
Just a point when I ask this question we do have a watcher so the person, if they exists, knows it's safe to claim in order to help the town.
Is there someone who is an amnesic cop in this game? If so can you explain if you know who your sending the info to?

I don't think this is necessary right now ..

[ooba]

Honestly this cop discussion should stop right now .. Because Saint "claimed" some anti-roleblocking abilities so I anticipate a Mafia RB - so even with a watcher, the investigative role is next to dead if they claim ..

I am reading D2 now since I couldn't finish it yesterday .. Will give me thoughts after that ..

We should revive Vezo ..

[ooba]

@farside - Are you claiming that Llama claimed to be getting results from someone else backstage?

No. He stated he didn't know who. He also stated he wanted to fake claim results because for some reason that makes no sense he thought it was a possible scum role even though he had been protecting the person for 3 days.
IE: I think he is lying his ass off.

Honestly this cop discussion should stop right now .. Because Saint "claimed" some anti-roleblocking abilities so I anticipate a Mafia RB - so even with a watcher, the investigative role is next to dead if they claim ..

I am reading D2 now since I couldn't finish it yesterday .. Will give me thoughts after that ..

We should revive Vezo ..

Ooba see above.

I understand your point but that means the watch.

Also if you read all of Saint's rants he was pretty much saying anything he could to try and save himself.

I think LF is town .. The "only" thing which made me reconsider for a second is that the mod never said there were no cults but I'd rather believe a simple Town-Mafia-SK setup than imagine conspiracy theories ..

I don't understand "the watch" part of it - Cop claims, mafia blocks watcher and kill cop ..

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MagnaofIllusion

- All but confirmed voting/sacrificing today

I'm trying to narrow it the other choice from these:
farside22
Kublai Khan
Locke Lamora
WrathChild

[ooba]

Why am I on your scum list, Hell why is WC on your scum list after day 1 ythill interactions?

I'm narrowing it down .. Magna is confirmed scum after D2 re-read .. The other people not mentioned are town reads ..

[ooba]

I'm narrowing it down .. Magna is confirmed scum after D2 re-read .. The other people not mentioned are town reads ..

When you’ve decided to read the whole game let me know. I’ve already dealt with this crap yesterday.

I've already read the entire game once .. And I know you're scum ..

Town: We need to decide on sacrifice/revive before lynching so no more votes on KK so that MoI scum can quick hammer

Sacrfice: MoI

Also on revival, I think reviving the informational role is the way to go .. (While I appreciate Fate's skills over Vezos in scumhunting, I'd take mod confirmed tracker results when we can get em)

Revive: Vezo

I'll let you know my choices on the lynch - still re-reading bits ..
farside22 - Kublai Khan (Not Mafia together)
Locke Lamora
WrathChild

[ooba]

GG, I think you're wrong about KK .. Do not think he's scum ..

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Locke has given me very little info on D2/D3 to go with .. Right now I'd put my money on WC being scum ..

WC because
- First person to pressurize Saint. I believe Mafia either tried killing Saint or roleblocked Saint; so Mafia must have suspected SK

- Statements like this:

-C: I still think MoI is lying scum and I'd much rather lynch OGML over him.

It's always "I'd like to lynch MoI but cannot because ...."; just ISO WC - over defensive for switching or not voting Magna ..

Re-reading D1 for more inputs on Ythill interactions with {farside/WC/Locke} ..

[ooba]

Apokalyptika (7) – A Gaggle of Geese, ooba, MagnaofIllusion, LynchMePls, OhGodMyLife, Kublai Khan, Llamafluff
Ooba (4) – LynchMePls, MagnaofIllusion, farside22, Llamafluff
MagnaofIllusion (2) – MagnaofIllusion, Apokalyptika
WrathChild (2) – A Gaggle of Geese, farside22
A Gaggle of Geese (1) – A Gaggle of Geese
Locke Lamora (1) – OhGodMyLife
OhGodMyLife (1) – OhGodMyLife
Farside22 (1) – farside22
LynchMePls (1) – Llamafluff

Since both me & Apok are making it to the BS anyway - let's push my list of suspicious players down this list ..

Unelect: Apok
elect: GG
elect: OGML
elect: LMP

[ooba]

Bah .. I don't think that's game over yet though .. I think that's confirmed farside as scum too

Magna - the law of averages should have caught up by now - you've been scum in every single game we've played together ..

[ooba]

Wow... failtacular.

HELLO LMP. YOU A GODFATHER?

I think LMP won't lurk this hard as scum .. Reads uninterested-not-reading-the-game townie to me ..

[ooba]

Magna - the law of averages should have caught up by now - you've been scum in every single game we've played together ..

Actually that's incorrect.

Our first game together "Weeds Mafia" you were scum and I was Town.

I'm trying to remember what other games we have played together ...

I remember two from Marathon day and this .. Forgot about weeds ..

[ooba]

Ooba it can't be game over even even with 5 starting scum.

For some reason I was counting Sacrifice+Lynch+Kill ..

If farside is the third partner, I'm surprised she'd risk herself with the fifth vote on KK for MoI to hammer though ..
- Unless LMP is the godfather/fourth scum
- Or Llama is the fourth

[ooba]

Baaah!!!!!!!!!

[ooba]

I just don't think town farside would play so poorly

[ooba]

No objection to the BS QT I was in ..

Anyway, scum should have probably had this if not for the vote count error - so I'm not terribly upset .. Well played!

[ooba]

unvote:
vote: GG

Say what you may farside but this was the worst town move I've seen in a long time. Till this point, I believed you were town since the last day started. However when you pull a stunt like this, it makes me ask this question "would farside town make a ridiculous move like this?" ..

This is when I start thinking up scenarios so that I can still cling to my belief that you're better than this .. That was my mistake .. And apparently chesskid's too .

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Also how can you look at the same D4 and go "I swear I'll go to mith if GG is scum" .. After all GG didn't hammer to win ..